What happens with multiple copies of Humility and Glorious Anthem on the battlefield?
What happens with multiple copies of Humility and Glorious Anthem? For example, I have 2 copies of each of them; creatures are 1/1, plus +1+1, or +2+2 or are they going to be just 1/1? Does the order that they come to the battlefield affect anything?
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What happens with multiple copies of Humility and Glorious Anthem? For example, I have 2 copies of each of them; creatures are 1/1, plus +1+1, or +2+2 or are they going to be just 1/1? Does the order that they come to the battlefield affect anything?
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asked 6 hours ago
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can i ask also waht happend if we add night of soul's' betrayal to the formula?
– Nicolas Rudisky
6 hours ago
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Your opponent's creatures will die, for your creatures it'll cancel out the effects of one Anthem. You don't have to worry about the -1/-1 somehow being applied first and creatures dying before the +1/+1 from the Anthem can save them. (Of course, the Anthem needs to be on the battlefield before either Humility or Night of Soul's Betrayal (or both)).
– Glorfindel
6 hours ago
@Glorfindel Remember to mention the person you're replying to. As it stands, it looks like you're replying to the main question and saying that Humility somehow gives -1/-1.
– Acccumulation
3 hours ago
@Acccumulation it's the author of the question, so that wouldn't help...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
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What happens with multiple copies of Humility and Glorious Anthem? For example, I have 2 copies of each of them; creatures are 1/1, plus +1+1, or +2+2 or are they going to be just 1/1? Does the order that they come to the battlefield affect anything?
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edited 6 hours ago
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asked 6 hours ago
Nicolas RudiskyNicolas Rudisky
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What happens with multiple copies of Humility and Glorious Anthem? For example, I have 2 copies of each of them; creatures are 1/1, plus +1+1, or +2+2 or are they going to be just 1/1? Does the order that they come to the battlefield affect anything?
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edited 6 hours ago
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edited 6 hours ago
Glorfindel
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Glorfindel
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asked 6 hours ago
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asked 6 hours ago
Nicolas RudiskyNicolas Rudisky
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can i ask also waht happend if we add night of soul's' betrayal to the formula?
– Nicolas Rudisky
6 hours ago
1
Your opponent's creatures will die, for your creatures it'll cancel out the effects of one Anthem. You don't have to worry about the -1/-1 somehow being applied first and creatures dying before the +1/+1 from the Anthem can save them. (Of course, the Anthem needs to be on the battlefield before either Humility or Night of Soul's Betrayal (or both)).
– Glorfindel
6 hours ago
@Glorfindel Remember to mention the person you're replying to. As it stands, it looks like you're replying to the main question and saying that Humility somehow gives -1/-1.
– Acccumulation
3 hours ago
@Acccumulation it's the author of the question, so that wouldn't help...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
add a comment |
can i ask also waht happend if we add night of soul's' betrayal to the formula?
– Nicolas Rudisky
6 hours ago
1
Your opponent's creatures will die, for your creatures it'll cancel out the effects of one Anthem. You don't have to worry about the -1/-1 somehow being applied first and creatures dying before the +1/+1 from the Anthem can save them. (Of course, the Anthem needs to be on the battlefield before either Humility or Night of Soul's Betrayal (or both)).
– Glorfindel
6 hours ago
@Glorfindel Remember to mention the person you're replying to. As it stands, it looks like you're replying to the main question and saying that Humility somehow gives -1/-1.
– Acccumulation
3 hours ago
@Acccumulation it's the author of the question, so that wouldn't help...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
can i ask also waht happend if we add night of soul's' betrayal to the formula?
– Nicolas Rudisky
6 hours ago
can i ask also waht happend if we add night of soul's' betrayal to the formula?
– Nicolas Rudisky
6 hours ago
1
1
Your opponent's creatures will die, for your creatures it'll cancel out the effects of one Anthem. You don't have to worry about the -1/-1 somehow being applied first and creatures dying before the +1/+1 from the Anthem can save them. (Of course, the Anthem needs to be on the battlefield before either Humility or Night of Soul's Betrayal (or both)).
– Glorfindel
6 hours ago
Your opponent's creatures will die, for your creatures it'll cancel out the effects of one Anthem. You don't have to worry about the -1/-1 somehow being applied first and creatures dying before the +1/+1 from the Anthem can save them. (Of course, the Anthem needs to be on the battlefield before either Humility or Night of Soul's Betrayal (or both)).
– Glorfindel
6 hours ago
@Glorfindel Remember to mention the person you're replying to. As it stands, it looks like you're replying to the main question and saying that Humility somehow gives -1/-1.
– Acccumulation
3 hours ago
@Glorfindel Remember to mention the person you're replying to. As it stands, it looks like you're replying to the main question and saying that Humility somehow gives -1/-1.
– Acccumulation
3 hours ago
@Acccumulation it's the author of the question, so that wouldn't help...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
@Acccumulation it's the author of the question, so that wouldn't help...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
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Humility sets the base power and toughness to 1/1 for all creatures. Glorious Anthem, and other effects like +1/+1 counters are still applied on top of the base power and toughness, so (barring other effects), with one or more Humilities and two Glorious Anthems on the battlefield, your creatures will be 3/3s.
The relevant rule is 613:
613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)
613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.
613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied. Effects that refer to the base power and/or toughness of a creature apply in this layer.
613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value) are applied.
613.3d Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 121, "Counters."
613.3e Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature's power and toughness are applied. Such effects take the value of power and apply it to the creature's toughness, and take the value of toughness and apply it to the creature's power.
Layer 7a is the creature's power and toughness as it's printed on the card, say a 2/2 Grizzly Bears.
Layer 7b (note the use of "base power and toughness" in the rules) is where Humility comes into play, it makes it a 1/1.
Layer 7c is Glorious Anthem's layer, if you have two of them both apply and the 1/1 becomes a 3/3.
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And of course the +1/+1 ability is an ability of the enchantment and is therefore not removed by humility.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
@Taemyr unless Opalescence is also on the battlefield ...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
So does this mean, in effect, Humility + Elish Norn = no creatures for opponents?
– corsiKa
3 hours ago
2
@corsiKa No. Humility removes the abilities of Elesh Norn.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
1
@corsiKa try Ethereal Absolution.
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
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Humility sets the base power and toughness to 1/1 for all creatures. Glorious Anthem, and other effects like +1/+1 counters are still applied on top of the base power and toughness, so (barring other effects), with one or more Humilities and two Glorious Anthems on the battlefield, your creatures will be 3/3s.
The relevant rule is 613:
613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)
613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.
613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied. Effects that refer to the base power and/or toughness of a creature apply in this layer.
613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value) are applied.
613.3d Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 121, "Counters."
613.3e Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature's power and toughness are applied. Such effects take the value of power and apply it to the creature's toughness, and take the value of toughness and apply it to the creature's power.
Layer 7a is the creature's power and toughness as it's printed on the card, say a 2/2 Grizzly Bears.
Layer 7b (note the use of "base power and toughness" in the rules) is where Humility comes into play, it makes it a 1/1.
Layer 7c is Glorious Anthem's layer, if you have two of them both apply and the 1/1 becomes a 3/3.
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And of course the +1/+1 ability is an ability of the enchantment and is therefore not removed by humility.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
@Taemyr unless Opalescence is also on the battlefield ...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
So does this mean, in effect, Humility + Elish Norn = no creatures for opponents?
– corsiKa
3 hours ago
2
@corsiKa No. Humility removes the abilities of Elesh Norn.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
1
@corsiKa try Ethereal Absolution.
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Humility sets the base power and toughness to 1/1 for all creatures. Glorious Anthem, and other effects like +1/+1 counters are still applied on top of the base power and toughness, so (barring other effects), with one or more Humilities and two Glorious Anthems on the battlefield, your creatures will be 3/3s.
The relevant rule is 613:
613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)
613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.
613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied. Effects that refer to the base power and/or toughness of a creature apply in this layer.
613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value) are applied.
613.3d Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 121, "Counters."
613.3e Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature's power and toughness are applied. Such effects take the value of power and apply it to the creature's toughness, and take the value of toughness and apply it to the creature's power.
Layer 7a is the creature's power and toughness as it's printed on the card, say a 2/2 Grizzly Bears.
Layer 7b (note the use of "base power and toughness" in the rules) is where Humility comes into play, it makes it a 1/1.
Layer 7c is Glorious Anthem's layer, if you have two of them both apply and the 1/1 becomes a 3/3.
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And of course the +1/+1 ability is an ability of the enchantment and is therefore not removed by humility.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
@Taemyr unless Opalescence is also on the battlefield ...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
So does this mean, in effect, Humility + Elish Norn = no creatures for opponents?
– corsiKa
3 hours ago
2
@corsiKa No. Humility removes the abilities of Elesh Norn.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
1
@corsiKa try Ethereal Absolution.
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Humility sets the base power and toughness to 1/1 for all creatures. Glorious Anthem, and other effects like +1/+1 counters are still applied on top of the base power and toughness, so (barring other effects), with one or more Humilities and two Glorious Anthems on the battlefield, your creatures will be 3/3s.
The relevant rule is 613:
613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)
613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.
613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied. Effects that refer to the base power and/or toughness of a creature apply in this layer.
613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value) are applied.
613.3d Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 121, "Counters."
613.3e Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature's power and toughness are applied. Such effects take the value of power and apply it to the creature's toughness, and take the value of toughness and apply it to the creature's power.
Layer 7a is the creature's power and toughness as it's printed on the card, say a 2/2 Grizzly Bears.
Layer 7b (note the use of "base power and toughness" in the rules) is where Humility comes into play, it makes it a 1/1.
Layer 7c is Glorious Anthem's layer, if you have two of them both apply and the 1/1 becomes a 3/3.
edited 6 hours ago
doppelgreener
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answered 6 hours ago
GlorfindelGlorfindel
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Humility sets the base power and toughness to 1/1 for all creatures. Glorious Anthem, and other effects like +1/+1 counters are still applied on top of the base power and toughness, so (barring other effects), with one or more Humilities and two Glorious Anthems on the battlefield, your creatures will be 3/3s.
The relevant rule is 613:
613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)
613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.
613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied. Effects that refer to the base power and/or toughness of a creature apply in this layer.
613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value) are applied.
613.3d Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 121, "Counters."
613.3e Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature's power and toughness are applied. Such effects take the value of power and apply it to the creature's toughness, and take the value of toughness and apply it to the creature's power.
Layer 7a is the creature's power and toughness as it's printed on the card, say a 2/2 Grizzly Bears.
Layer 7b (note the use of "base power and toughness" in the rules) is where Humility comes into play, it makes it a 1/1.
Layer 7c is Glorious Anthem's layer, if you have two of them both apply and the 1/1 becomes a 3/3.
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And of course the +1/+1 ability is an ability of the enchantment and is therefore not removed by humility.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
@Taemyr unless Opalescence is also on the battlefield ...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
So does this mean, in effect, Humility + Elish Norn = no creatures for opponents?
– corsiKa
3 hours ago
2
@corsiKa No. Humility removes the abilities of Elesh Norn.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
1
@corsiKa try Ethereal Absolution.
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
And of course the +1/+1 ability is an ability of the enchantment and is therefore not removed by humility.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
@Taemyr unless Opalescence is also on the battlefield ...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
So does this mean, in effect, Humility + Elish Norn = no creatures for opponents?
– corsiKa
3 hours ago
2
@corsiKa No. Humility removes the abilities of Elesh Norn.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
1
@corsiKa try Ethereal Absolution.
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
And of course the +1/+1 ability is an ability of the enchantment and is therefore not removed by humility.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
And of course the +1/+1 ability is an ability of the enchantment and is therefore not removed by humility.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
@Taemyr unless Opalescence is also on the battlefield ...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
@Taemyr unless Opalescence is also on the battlefield ...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
So does this mean, in effect, Humility + Elish Norn = no creatures for opponents?
– corsiKa
3 hours ago
So does this mean, in effect, Humility + Elish Norn = no creatures for opponents?
– corsiKa
3 hours ago
2
2
@corsiKa No. Humility removes the abilities of Elesh Norn.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
@corsiKa No. Humility removes the abilities of Elesh Norn.
– Taemyr
3 hours ago
1
1
@corsiKa try Ethereal Absolution.
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
@corsiKa try Ethereal Absolution.
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
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can i ask also waht happend if we add night of soul's' betrayal to the formula?
– Nicolas Rudisky
6 hours ago
1
Your opponent's creatures will die, for your creatures it'll cancel out the effects of one Anthem. You don't have to worry about the -1/-1 somehow being applied first and creatures dying before the +1/+1 from the Anthem can save them. (Of course, the Anthem needs to be on the battlefield before either Humility or Night of Soul's Betrayal (or both)).
– Glorfindel
6 hours ago
@Glorfindel Remember to mention the person you're replying to. As it stands, it looks like you're replying to the main question and saying that Humility somehow gives -1/-1.
– Acccumulation
3 hours ago
@Acccumulation it's the author of the question, so that wouldn't help...
– Glorfindel
3 hours ago