Is it illegal in Germany to take sick leave if you caused your own illness with food?












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So I just had a break and ate pizza at the Italian restaurant next door.

Since I like spicy food I ordered a spicy pizza. I even spiced it up.

Back from break I was feeling sick for about 30 seconds. So I was wondering: "If I would have really felt sick due to that pizza and signed off because I was feeling sick, would that be illegal or a crime?"



I know (or at least I think I know) that making oneself ill is illegal, because it's cheating the employer, but on the other hand it's ones right to choose what one wants to eat.



My question is now could I eat that pizza again?



PS: This question is hypothetical






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    "I was feeling sick for about 30 seconds" - do you really mean 30 seconds, or 30 minutes? 30 seconds is nothing, you probably just had some reflux.

    – David K
    11 hours ago






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    This may seem like an odd question, but it's pretty much analogous to asking if it's okay to take sick leave for being hungover.

    – David K
    10 hours ago






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    What causes you to think that making yourself ill is illegal?

    – IDrinkandIKnowThings
    10 hours ago






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    Welcome to this site! I would like a clarification: do you mean "getting sick on purpose by eating something" or "getting sick accidentally by eating something"

    – aaaaaa
    10 hours ago








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    Nothing illegal here, just ridiculous. Since this is a hypothetical question, are you really asking if you could use this pizza scheme to get a day off in the future?

    – Joe Strazzere
    10 hours ago


















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So I just had a break and ate pizza at the Italian restaurant next door.

Since I like spicy food I ordered a spicy pizza. I even spiced it up.

Back from break I was feeling sick for about 30 seconds. So I was wondering: "If I would have really felt sick due to that pizza and signed off because I was feeling sick, would that be illegal or a crime?"



I know (or at least I think I know) that making oneself ill is illegal, because it's cheating the employer, but on the other hand it's ones right to choose what one wants to eat.



My question is now could I eat that pizza again?



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    "I was feeling sick for about 30 seconds" - do you really mean 30 seconds, or 30 minutes? 30 seconds is nothing, you probably just had some reflux.

    – David K
    11 hours ago






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    This may seem like an odd question, but it's pretty much analogous to asking if it's okay to take sick leave for being hungover.

    – David K
    10 hours ago






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    What causes you to think that making yourself ill is illegal?

    – IDrinkandIKnowThings
    10 hours ago






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    Welcome to this site! I would like a clarification: do you mean "getting sick on purpose by eating something" or "getting sick accidentally by eating something"

    – aaaaaa
    10 hours ago








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    Nothing illegal here, just ridiculous. Since this is a hypothetical question, are you really asking if you could use this pizza scheme to get a day off in the future?

    – Joe Strazzere
    10 hours ago
















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So I just had a break and ate pizza at the Italian restaurant next door.

Since I like spicy food I ordered a spicy pizza. I even spiced it up.

Back from break I was feeling sick for about 30 seconds. So I was wondering: "If I would have really felt sick due to that pizza and signed off because I was feeling sick, would that be illegal or a crime?"



I know (or at least I think I know) that making oneself ill is illegal, because it's cheating the employer, but on the other hand it's ones right to choose what one wants to eat.



My question is now could I eat that pizza again?



PS: This question is hypothetical






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So I just had a break and ate pizza at the Italian restaurant next door.

Since I like spicy food I ordered a spicy pizza. I even spiced it up.

Back from break I was feeling sick for about 30 seconds. So I was wondering: "If I would have really felt sick due to that pizza and signed off because I was feeling sick, would that be illegal or a crime?"



I know (or at least I think I know) that making oneself ill is illegal, because it's cheating the employer, but on the other hand it's ones right to choose what one wants to eat.



My question is now could I eat that pizza again?



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  • 14





    "I was feeling sick for about 30 seconds" - do you really mean 30 seconds, or 30 minutes? 30 seconds is nothing, you probably just had some reflux.

    – David K
    11 hours ago






  • 12





    This may seem like an odd question, but it's pretty much analogous to asking if it's okay to take sick leave for being hungover.

    – David K
    10 hours ago






  • 6





    What causes you to think that making yourself ill is illegal?

    – IDrinkandIKnowThings
    10 hours ago






  • 7





    Welcome to this site! I would like a clarification: do you mean "getting sick on purpose by eating something" or "getting sick accidentally by eating something"

    – aaaaaa
    10 hours ago








  • 5





    Nothing illegal here, just ridiculous. Since this is a hypothetical question, are you really asking if you could use this pizza scheme to get a day off in the future?

    – Joe Strazzere
    10 hours ago
















  • 14





    "I was feeling sick for about 30 seconds" - do you really mean 30 seconds, or 30 minutes? 30 seconds is nothing, you probably just had some reflux.

    – David K
    11 hours ago






  • 12





    This may seem like an odd question, but it's pretty much analogous to asking if it's okay to take sick leave for being hungover.

    – David K
    10 hours ago






  • 6





    What causes you to think that making yourself ill is illegal?

    – IDrinkandIKnowThings
    10 hours ago






  • 7





    Welcome to this site! I would like a clarification: do you mean "getting sick on purpose by eating something" or "getting sick accidentally by eating something"

    – aaaaaa
    10 hours ago








  • 5





    Nothing illegal here, just ridiculous. Since this is a hypothetical question, are you really asking if you could use this pizza scheme to get a day off in the future?

    – Joe Strazzere
    10 hours ago










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"I was feeling sick for about 30 seconds" - do you really mean 30 seconds, or 30 minutes? 30 seconds is nothing, you probably just had some reflux.

– David K
11 hours ago





"I was feeling sick for about 30 seconds" - do you really mean 30 seconds, or 30 minutes? 30 seconds is nothing, you probably just had some reflux.

– David K
11 hours ago




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This may seem like an odd question, but it's pretty much analogous to asking if it's okay to take sick leave for being hungover.

– David K
10 hours ago





This may seem like an odd question, but it's pretty much analogous to asking if it's okay to take sick leave for being hungover.

– David K
10 hours ago




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What causes you to think that making yourself ill is illegal?

– IDrinkandIKnowThings
10 hours ago





What causes you to think that making yourself ill is illegal?

– IDrinkandIKnowThings
10 hours ago




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Welcome to this site! I would like a clarification: do you mean "getting sick on purpose by eating something" or "getting sick accidentally by eating something"

– aaaaaa
10 hours ago







Welcome to this site! I would like a clarification: do you mean "getting sick on purpose by eating something" or "getting sick accidentally by eating something"

– aaaaaa
10 hours ago






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Nothing illegal here, just ridiculous. Since this is a hypothetical question, are you really asking if you could use this pizza scheme to get a day off in the future?

– Joe Strazzere
10 hours ago







Nothing illegal here, just ridiculous. Since this is a hypothetical question, are you really asking if you could use this pizza scheme to get a day off in the future?

– Joe Strazzere
10 hours ago












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No, it is not illegal to become sick, regardless of the cause. Sick time may or may not be paid by your employer, depending on their policies.



It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch, knowing you have work still to do afterward.






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  • "It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch" suggests that OP was colluding with pizza to get sick.

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    There is no "depending on their policies" in Germany. Sick leave is always paid by the employer in full, who in turn is reimbursed by the persons mandatory health insurance.

    – nvoigt
    9 hours ago






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    Yes, but policies might restrict what 'sick leave' is. Some employers require a doctor's note, most only do for extended (over 1 or 2 days) leave. However, I don't see a doctor that wouldn't give you a note for an afternoon for virtually any reason

    – xyious
    8 hours ago






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    @nvoigt, I wonder why your comment disagrees with your own answer (which seems to cover a relevant fact as stated in EntgFG). But then again I wonder what's the point about the other answers which are based on guessing.

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    8 hours ago






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    @Ghanima I'm not sure why you think my comment disagrees with my answer. I can see no discrepancy. The employer pays the sick leave, the health insurance pays the employer and the health insurance, as the entity who paid the bill in the end, might turn to the employee to get their money back if it was gross negligence. That's what my comment says, that's what my answer says.

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Generally speaking, if you go to a doctor and get a sick note (Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung) then you are unfit for work. Matter of fact the name in German already says you are unfit to work. It does not pass any judgement as to why.



It's never illegal to go to a doctor and get a sick note.



In rare cases, if it can be proven that you did it on purpose or with gross negligence, the people who paid for your sick leave (in this case probably your Krankenversicherung, in case of an accident the gesetzliche Unfallversicherung) can refuse to pay or demand their already paid money back. Please note that those are serious cases. Like hitting a sing-post head-on with your car while speeding under the influence of alcohol on your way to work. That can be ruled as self-inflicted or at least gross negligence and the insurance can refuse to pay. It's still not illegal to take sick leave because the truth is that the person is not fit for work after colliding with the sign post (the DUI is another matter). But it's basically unpaid and that's costly.



Sick leave is also a protected state, you cannot be fired for being sick, not even in the above case of the DUI (although you might be fired for having a DUI on record if your job is being a driver at the company). A company might find a few phony other reasons to fire people that they think had too much sick leave though or if the person is a contract worker just not renew the contract when it runs out.



So yes, you can eat that pizza again. It's not even proven that that pizza made you sick. Now from the perspective of your boss, after the third or fourth time you have to go home sick after eating there, I would seriously question your personal judgement. But making bad decisions is not illegal.






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    Additional note: Your employer can't ask why you're sick and you're not required to tell. Also for all you know it may have been a coincidence.

    – xyious
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    Additional note from experience: when you go to the doctor in Germany and get a sick note, you get 3 copies. 1 for you with everything on it, 1 for the insurance company with everything on it and 1 for your employer with nothing but the dates on it. PS: "But making bad decisions is not illegal." Dammit. If it was we could imprison most politicians.

    – Skrrp
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  • @Skrrp: ah, same in France. The pages are actually self-copying, but they are of different length (so the employer one does not have all the details because it is shorter)

    – WoJ
    3 hours ago



















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This is not about German law, but I would GUESS probably not, otherwise where would we draw the line?



Would it be illegal to not eat healthy? Would it be illegal to care for a sick wife? Would it be illegal to consume alcohol on the weekend. These are just a few factors that can contribute to becoming sick.



Having said that, if you acted in a reckless manner that caused you to miss work, and that caused some damage to the business, that would probably be frowned upon, though not illegal.



If you endanger your own health and safety while at work, that is a different story.






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    Is eating spiced pizza considered as reckless ?

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    11 hours ago








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    If you got back in the office and then boasted about having ghost chili on your pizza, and then got violently ill and had to leave, your boss will be disappointed, and your coworkers will think you're an idiot.

    – Gregroy Currie
    11 hours ago






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    Like @GregroyCurrie said. Stupid an illegal are too different things. For example if you're lactose intolerant then eating a cheese cake for lunch is stupid. That does not mean it's illegal.

    – Lee Abraham
    10 hours ago













  • @Jannis If you knew it would cause illness, then yes, it can be considered reckless.

    – Dan
    9 hours ago






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    Yes.... doing it three times in a row, getting sick and leaving every time might lead to problems.

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In the USA, I imagine Germany too, only way it would be "illegal" is if you were contractually obligated to not be reckless or engage in reckless activities. I imagine this is for top officials such as CEOs or maybe a sports star, not common workers. Even with that clause, they typically mean something like engaging in parachuting or something with a known danger, not eating spicy food.



With that said, you may be asked to bring in a doctor's note. That wouldn't be unfair for your employer to request such thing. In the future, avoid food you know will cause illness. Not so much for work reasons but for health reasons.



I eat pizzas on a regular basis but last time I went with co-workers, we ate at this pizza shop and the spinach on mine must have been rotten or something because I got really sick afterwards. I went home and came back to work the next day. No questions or issues since that's what sick leave is for. I do not go to that pizza place any longer, though, but next time I would be more careful about what toppings I choose at the establishment.






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    Getting sick from a pizza you've bought in good faith is bad luck, but hardly illegal.



    If you kept eating there and persistently got sick, your boss might ask questions about your reasoning though. I've heard the rants of managers who got annoyed with people getting food poisoning from the same fried chicken shop for example. That place only offered sick pay off you had sickness for a week or more and had a doctor's note though.



    Employers do have the right to deny sick leave if you caused yourself injury for the purpose of getting paid time off. This was in contracts I've signed before.






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    • Lol, that was a dyac moment

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    • Another way this could work is some food that you love the taste of, but that gives you migraines. Then you'll know you're going to get sick, not just that you're taking a risk. Like with drinking / drugs (other well-known ways to make yourself unable to work), that might be punishable by employers.

      – Peter Cordes
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    Did you intentionally make yourself sick for the express purpose of using sick leave? If not, then no fault exists.






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    • I could imagine that failing to avoid something you knew (from past experience) would make you sick would be a problem, even if the reason for eating it was that it tastes good. (e.g. some food that you love, but that gives you migraines.) That's getting into territory that's could be considered somewhat similar to drinking / drugs, which are well-known ways to make yourself unable to work and typically are punishable by employers.

      – Peter Cordes
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    • That seems like a gray area. If I eat something that I know may make me too sick to work then that's foolish and possibly negligent. Is it criminally negligent? Probably not. I think intent has a lot of bearing here. If my express intent is to make myself too sick to work than that's probably a problem.

      – joeqwerty
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    • So maybe something they could fire you over, like other employee behaviour problems? But might not be considered a breach of contract if you'd agreed to work for at least x months as part of some offer / deal? And not something they could sue you over. I don't think "criminal" is really the right word even for getting drunk before (not) coming to work; it's not breaking criminal law (unless you're a bus driver or otherwise could injure people by being negligent in your job...)

      – Peter Cordes
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    No, it is not illegal to become sick, regardless of the cause. Sick time may or may not be paid by your employer, depending on their policies.



    It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch, knowing you have work still to do afterward.






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    • "It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch" suggests that OP was colluding with pizza to get sick.

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      There is no "depending on their policies" in Germany. Sick leave is always paid by the employer in full, who in turn is reimbursed by the persons mandatory health insurance.

      – nvoigt
      9 hours ago






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      Yes, but policies might restrict what 'sick leave' is. Some employers require a doctor's note, most only do for extended (over 1 or 2 days) leave. However, I don't see a doctor that wouldn't give you a note for an afternoon for virtually any reason

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      @nvoigt, I wonder why your comment disagrees with your own answer (which seems to cover a relevant fact as stated in EntgFG). But then again I wonder what's the point about the other answers which are based on guessing.

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      @Ghanima I'm not sure why you think my comment disagrees with my answer. I can see no discrepancy. The employer pays the sick leave, the health insurance pays the employer and the health insurance, as the entity who paid the bill in the end, might turn to the employee to get their money back if it was gross negligence. That's what my comment says, that's what my answer says.

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    No, it is not illegal to become sick, regardless of the cause. Sick time may or may not be paid by your employer, depending on their policies.



    It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch, knowing you have work still to do afterward.






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    • "It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch" suggests that OP was colluding with pizza to get sick.

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      There is no "depending on their policies" in Germany. Sick leave is always paid by the employer in full, who in turn is reimbursed by the persons mandatory health insurance.

      – nvoigt
      9 hours ago






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      Yes, but policies might restrict what 'sick leave' is. Some employers require a doctor's note, most only do for extended (over 1 or 2 days) leave. However, I don't see a doctor that wouldn't give you a note for an afternoon for virtually any reason

      – xyious
      8 hours ago






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      @nvoigt, I wonder why your comment disagrees with your own answer (which seems to cover a relevant fact as stated in EntgFG). But then again I wonder what's the point about the other answers which are based on guessing.

      – Ghanima
      8 hours ago






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      @Ghanima I'm not sure why you think my comment disagrees with my answer. I can see no discrepancy. The employer pays the sick leave, the health insurance pays the employer and the health insurance, as the entity who paid the bill in the end, might turn to the employee to get their money back if it was gross negligence. That's what my comment says, that's what my answer says.

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    No, it is not illegal to become sick, regardless of the cause. Sick time may or may not be paid by your employer, depending on their policies.



    It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch, knowing you have work still to do afterward.






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    No, it is not illegal to become sick, regardless of the cause. Sick time may or may not be paid by your employer, depending on their policies.



    It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch, knowing you have work still to do afterward.







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    • "It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch" suggests that OP was colluding with pizza to get sick.

      – aaaaaa
      10 hours ago






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      There is no "depending on their policies" in Germany. Sick leave is always paid by the employer in full, who in turn is reimbursed by the persons mandatory health insurance.

      – nvoigt
      9 hours ago






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      Yes, but policies might restrict what 'sick leave' is. Some employers require a doctor's note, most only do for extended (over 1 or 2 days) leave. However, I don't see a doctor that wouldn't give you a note for an afternoon for virtually any reason

      – xyious
      8 hours ago






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      @nvoigt, I wonder why your comment disagrees with your own answer (which seems to cover a relevant fact as stated in EntgFG). But then again I wonder what's the point about the other answers which are based on guessing.

      – Ghanima
      8 hours ago






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      @Ghanima I'm not sure why you think my comment disagrees with my answer. I can see no discrepancy. The employer pays the sick leave, the health insurance pays the employer and the health insurance, as the entity who paid the bill in the end, might turn to the employee to get their money back if it was gross negligence. That's what my comment says, that's what my answer says.

      – nvoigt
      7 hours ago



















    • "It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch" suggests that OP was colluding with pizza to get sick.

      – aaaaaa
      10 hours ago






    • 37





      There is no "depending on their policies" in Germany. Sick leave is always paid by the employer in full, who in turn is reimbursed by the persons mandatory health insurance.

      – nvoigt
      9 hours ago






    • 2





      Yes, but policies might restrict what 'sick leave' is. Some employers require a doctor's note, most only do for extended (over 1 or 2 days) leave. However, I don't see a doctor that wouldn't give you a note for an afternoon for virtually any reason

      – xyious
      8 hours ago






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      @nvoigt, I wonder why your comment disagrees with your own answer (which seems to cover a relevant fact as stated in EntgFG). But then again I wonder what's the point about the other answers which are based on guessing.

      – Ghanima
      8 hours ago






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      @Ghanima I'm not sure why you think my comment disagrees with my answer. I can see no discrepancy. The employer pays the sick leave, the health insurance pays the employer and the health insurance, as the entity who paid the bill in the end, might turn to the employee to get their money back if it was gross negligence. That's what my comment says, that's what my answer says.

      – nvoigt
      7 hours ago

















    "It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch" suggests that OP was colluding with pizza to get sick.

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    "It may not be the wisest thing to do at lunch" suggests that OP was colluding with pizza to get sick.

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    There is no "depending on their policies" in Germany. Sick leave is always paid by the employer in full, who in turn is reimbursed by the persons mandatory health insurance.

    – nvoigt
    9 hours ago





    There is no "depending on their policies" in Germany. Sick leave is always paid by the employer in full, who in turn is reimbursed by the persons mandatory health insurance.

    – nvoigt
    9 hours ago




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    Yes, but policies might restrict what 'sick leave' is. Some employers require a doctor's note, most only do for extended (over 1 or 2 days) leave. However, I don't see a doctor that wouldn't give you a note for an afternoon for virtually any reason

    – xyious
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    Yes, but policies might restrict what 'sick leave' is. Some employers require a doctor's note, most only do for extended (over 1 or 2 days) leave. However, I don't see a doctor that wouldn't give you a note for an afternoon for virtually any reason

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    @nvoigt, I wonder why your comment disagrees with your own answer (which seems to cover a relevant fact as stated in EntgFG). But then again I wonder what's the point about the other answers which are based on guessing.

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    @nvoigt, I wonder why your comment disagrees with your own answer (which seems to cover a relevant fact as stated in EntgFG). But then again I wonder what's the point about the other answers which are based on guessing.

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    @Ghanima I'm not sure why you think my comment disagrees with my answer. I can see no discrepancy. The employer pays the sick leave, the health insurance pays the employer and the health insurance, as the entity who paid the bill in the end, might turn to the employee to get their money back if it was gross negligence. That's what my comment says, that's what my answer says.

    – nvoigt
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    @Ghanima I'm not sure why you think my comment disagrees with my answer. I can see no discrepancy. The employer pays the sick leave, the health insurance pays the employer and the health insurance, as the entity who paid the bill in the end, might turn to the employee to get their money back if it was gross negligence. That's what my comment says, that's what my answer says.

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    Generally speaking, if you go to a doctor and get a sick note (Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung) then you are unfit for work. Matter of fact the name in German already says you are unfit to work. It does not pass any judgement as to why.



    It's never illegal to go to a doctor and get a sick note.



    In rare cases, if it can be proven that you did it on purpose or with gross negligence, the people who paid for your sick leave (in this case probably your Krankenversicherung, in case of an accident the gesetzliche Unfallversicherung) can refuse to pay or demand their already paid money back. Please note that those are serious cases. Like hitting a sing-post head-on with your car while speeding under the influence of alcohol on your way to work. That can be ruled as self-inflicted or at least gross negligence and the insurance can refuse to pay. It's still not illegal to take sick leave because the truth is that the person is not fit for work after colliding with the sign post (the DUI is another matter). But it's basically unpaid and that's costly.



    Sick leave is also a protected state, you cannot be fired for being sick, not even in the above case of the DUI (although you might be fired for having a DUI on record if your job is being a driver at the company). A company might find a few phony other reasons to fire people that they think had too much sick leave though or if the person is a contract worker just not renew the contract when it runs out.



    So yes, you can eat that pizza again. It's not even proven that that pizza made you sick. Now from the perspective of your boss, after the third or fourth time you have to go home sick after eating there, I would seriously question your personal judgement. But making bad decisions is not illegal.






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      Additional note: Your employer can't ask why you're sick and you're not required to tell. Also for all you know it may have been a coincidence.

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      Additional note from experience: when you go to the doctor in Germany and get a sick note, you get 3 copies. 1 for you with everything on it, 1 for the insurance company with everything on it and 1 for your employer with nothing but the dates on it. PS: "But making bad decisions is not illegal." Dammit. If it was we could imprison most politicians.

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    • @Skrrp: ah, same in France. The pages are actually self-copying, but they are of different length (so the employer one does not have all the details because it is shorter)

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    Generally speaking, if you go to a doctor and get a sick note (Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung) then you are unfit for work. Matter of fact the name in German already says you are unfit to work. It does not pass any judgement as to why.



    It's never illegal to go to a doctor and get a sick note.



    In rare cases, if it can be proven that you did it on purpose or with gross negligence, the people who paid for your sick leave (in this case probably your Krankenversicherung, in case of an accident the gesetzliche Unfallversicherung) can refuse to pay or demand their already paid money back. Please note that those are serious cases. Like hitting a sing-post head-on with your car while speeding under the influence of alcohol on your way to work. That can be ruled as self-inflicted or at least gross negligence and the insurance can refuse to pay. It's still not illegal to take sick leave because the truth is that the person is not fit for work after colliding with the sign post (the DUI is another matter). But it's basically unpaid and that's costly.



    Sick leave is also a protected state, you cannot be fired for being sick, not even in the above case of the DUI (although you might be fired for having a DUI on record if your job is being a driver at the company). A company might find a few phony other reasons to fire people that they think had too much sick leave though or if the person is a contract worker just not renew the contract when it runs out.



    So yes, you can eat that pizza again. It's not even proven that that pizza made you sick. Now from the perspective of your boss, after the third or fourth time you have to go home sick after eating there, I would seriously question your personal judgement. But making bad decisions is not illegal.






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      Additional note: Your employer can't ask why you're sick and you're not required to tell. Also for all you know it may have been a coincidence.

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      Additional note from experience: when you go to the doctor in Germany and get a sick note, you get 3 copies. 1 for you with everything on it, 1 for the insurance company with everything on it and 1 for your employer with nothing but the dates on it. PS: "But making bad decisions is not illegal." Dammit. If it was we could imprison most politicians.

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    • @Skrrp: ah, same in France. The pages are actually self-copying, but they are of different length (so the employer one does not have all the details because it is shorter)

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    Generally speaking, if you go to a doctor and get a sick note (Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung) then you are unfit for work. Matter of fact the name in German already says you are unfit to work. It does not pass any judgement as to why.



    It's never illegal to go to a doctor and get a sick note.



    In rare cases, if it can be proven that you did it on purpose or with gross negligence, the people who paid for your sick leave (in this case probably your Krankenversicherung, in case of an accident the gesetzliche Unfallversicherung) can refuse to pay or demand their already paid money back. Please note that those are serious cases. Like hitting a sing-post head-on with your car while speeding under the influence of alcohol on your way to work. That can be ruled as self-inflicted or at least gross negligence and the insurance can refuse to pay. It's still not illegal to take sick leave because the truth is that the person is not fit for work after colliding with the sign post (the DUI is another matter). But it's basically unpaid and that's costly.



    Sick leave is also a protected state, you cannot be fired for being sick, not even in the above case of the DUI (although you might be fired for having a DUI on record if your job is being a driver at the company). A company might find a few phony other reasons to fire people that they think had too much sick leave though or if the person is a contract worker just not renew the contract when it runs out.



    So yes, you can eat that pizza again. It's not even proven that that pizza made you sick. Now from the perspective of your boss, after the third or fourth time you have to go home sick after eating there, I would seriously question your personal judgement. But making bad decisions is not illegal.






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    Generally speaking, if you go to a doctor and get a sick note (Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung) then you are unfit for work. Matter of fact the name in German already says you are unfit to work. It does not pass any judgement as to why.



    It's never illegal to go to a doctor and get a sick note.



    In rare cases, if it can be proven that you did it on purpose or with gross negligence, the people who paid for your sick leave (in this case probably your Krankenversicherung, in case of an accident the gesetzliche Unfallversicherung) can refuse to pay or demand their already paid money back. Please note that those are serious cases. Like hitting a sing-post head-on with your car while speeding under the influence of alcohol on your way to work. That can be ruled as self-inflicted or at least gross negligence and the insurance can refuse to pay. It's still not illegal to take sick leave because the truth is that the person is not fit for work after colliding with the sign post (the DUI is another matter). But it's basically unpaid and that's costly.



    Sick leave is also a protected state, you cannot be fired for being sick, not even in the above case of the DUI (although you might be fired for having a DUI on record if your job is being a driver at the company). A company might find a few phony other reasons to fire people that they think had too much sick leave though or if the person is a contract worker just not renew the contract when it runs out.



    So yes, you can eat that pizza again. It's not even proven that that pizza made you sick. Now from the perspective of your boss, after the third or fourth time you have to go home sick after eating there, I would seriously question your personal judgement. But making bad decisions is not illegal.







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      Additional note: Your employer can't ask why you're sick and you're not required to tell. Also for all you know it may have been a coincidence.

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      Additional note from experience: when you go to the doctor in Germany and get a sick note, you get 3 copies. 1 for you with everything on it, 1 for the insurance company with everything on it and 1 for your employer with nothing but the dates on it. PS: "But making bad decisions is not illegal." Dammit. If it was we could imprison most politicians.

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    • @Skrrp: ah, same in France. The pages are actually self-copying, but they are of different length (so the employer one does not have all the details because it is shorter)

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      Additional note: Your employer can't ask why you're sick and you're not required to tell. Also for all you know it may have been a coincidence.

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      Additional note from experience: when you go to the doctor in Germany and get a sick note, you get 3 copies. 1 for you with everything on it, 1 for the insurance company with everything on it and 1 for your employer with nothing but the dates on it. PS: "But making bad decisions is not illegal." Dammit. If it was we could imprison most politicians.

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    • @Skrrp: ah, same in France. The pages are actually self-copying, but they are of different length (so the employer one does not have all the details because it is shorter)

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    Additional note: Your employer can't ask why you're sick and you're not required to tell. Also for all you know it may have been a coincidence.

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    Additional note: Your employer can't ask why you're sick and you're not required to tell. Also for all you know it may have been a coincidence.

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    Additional note from experience: when you go to the doctor in Germany and get a sick note, you get 3 copies. 1 for you with everything on it, 1 for the insurance company with everything on it and 1 for your employer with nothing but the dates on it. PS: "But making bad decisions is not illegal." Dammit. If it was we could imprison most politicians.

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    Additional note from experience: when you go to the doctor in Germany and get a sick note, you get 3 copies. 1 for you with everything on it, 1 for the insurance company with everything on it and 1 for your employer with nothing but the dates on it. PS: "But making bad decisions is not illegal." Dammit. If it was we could imprison most politicians.

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    @Skrrp: ah, same in France. The pages are actually self-copying, but they are of different length (so the employer one does not have all the details because it is shorter)

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    @Skrrp: ah, same in France. The pages are actually self-copying, but they are of different length (so the employer one does not have all the details because it is shorter)

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    This is not about German law, but I would GUESS probably not, otherwise where would we draw the line?



    Would it be illegal to not eat healthy? Would it be illegal to care for a sick wife? Would it be illegal to consume alcohol on the weekend. These are just a few factors that can contribute to becoming sick.



    Having said that, if you acted in a reckless manner that caused you to miss work, and that caused some damage to the business, that would probably be frowned upon, though not illegal.



    If you endanger your own health and safety while at work, that is a different story.






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      Is eating spiced pizza considered as reckless ?

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      If you got back in the office and then boasted about having ghost chili on your pizza, and then got violently ill and had to leave, your boss will be disappointed, and your coworkers will think you're an idiot.

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      Like @GregroyCurrie said. Stupid an illegal are too different things. For example if you're lactose intolerant then eating a cheese cake for lunch is stupid. That does not mean it's illegal.

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    This is not about German law, but I would GUESS probably not, otherwise where would we draw the line?



    Would it be illegal to not eat healthy? Would it be illegal to care for a sick wife? Would it be illegal to consume alcohol on the weekend. These are just a few factors that can contribute to becoming sick.



    Having said that, if you acted in a reckless manner that caused you to miss work, and that caused some damage to the business, that would probably be frowned upon, though not illegal.



    If you endanger your own health and safety while at work, that is a different story.






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      If you got back in the office and then boasted about having ghost chili on your pizza, and then got violently ill and had to leave, your boss will be disappointed, and your coworkers will think you're an idiot.

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      Like @GregroyCurrie said. Stupid an illegal are too different things. For example if you're lactose intolerant then eating a cheese cake for lunch is stupid. That does not mean it's illegal.

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      Yes.... doing it three times in a row, getting sick and leaving every time might lead to problems.

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    This is not about German law, but I would GUESS probably not, otherwise where would we draw the line?



    Would it be illegal to not eat healthy? Would it be illegal to care for a sick wife? Would it be illegal to consume alcohol on the weekend. These are just a few factors that can contribute to becoming sick.



    Having said that, if you acted in a reckless manner that caused you to miss work, and that caused some damage to the business, that would probably be frowned upon, though not illegal.



    If you endanger your own health and safety while at work, that is a different story.






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    This is not about German law, but I would GUESS probably not, otherwise where would we draw the line?



    Would it be illegal to not eat healthy? Would it be illegal to care for a sick wife? Would it be illegal to consume alcohol on the weekend. These are just a few factors that can contribute to becoming sick.



    Having said that, if you acted in a reckless manner that caused you to miss work, and that caused some damage to the business, that would probably be frowned upon, though not illegal.



    If you endanger your own health and safety while at work, that is a different story.







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      If you got back in the office and then boasted about having ghost chili on your pizza, and then got violently ill and had to leave, your boss will be disappointed, and your coworkers will think you're an idiot.

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      Like @GregroyCurrie said. Stupid an illegal are too different things. For example if you're lactose intolerant then eating a cheese cake for lunch is stupid. That does not mean it's illegal.

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    • @Jannis If you knew it would cause illness, then yes, it can be considered reckless.

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      Yes.... doing it three times in a row, getting sick and leaving every time might lead to problems.

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      Is eating spiced pizza considered as reckless ?

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      If you got back in the office and then boasted about having ghost chili on your pizza, and then got violently ill and had to leave, your boss will be disappointed, and your coworkers will think you're an idiot.

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      Like @GregroyCurrie said. Stupid an illegal are too different things. For example if you're lactose intolerant then eating a cheese cake for lunch is stupid. That does not mean it's illegal.

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      Yes.... doing it three times in a row, getting sick and leaving every time might lead to problems.

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    Is eating spiced pizza considered as reckless ?

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    Is eating spiced pizza considered as reckless ?

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    If you got back in the office and then boasted about having ghost chili on your pizza, and then got violently ill and had to leave, your boss will be disappointed, and your coworkers will think you're an idiot.

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    If you got back in the office and then boasted about having ghost chili on your pizza, and then got violently ill and had to leave, your boss will be disappointed, and your coworkers will think you're an idiot.

    – Gregroy Currie
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    Like @GregroyCurrie said. Stupid an illegal are too different things. For example if you're lactose intolerant then eating a cheese cake for lunch is stupid. That does not mean it's illegal.

    – Lee Abraham
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    Like @GregroyCurrie said. Stupid an illegal are too different things. For example if you're lactose intolerant then eating a cheese cake for lunch is stupid. That does not mean it's illegal.

    – Lee Abraham
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    @Jannis If you knew it would cause illness, then yes, it can be considered reckless.

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    @Jannis If you knew it would cause illness, then yes, it can be considered reckless.

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    Yes.... doing it three times in a row, getting sick and leaving every time might lead to problems.

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    Yes.... doing it three times in a row, getting sick and leaving every time might lead to problems.

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    In the USA, I imagine Germany too, only way it would be "illegal" is if you were contractually obligated to not be reckless or engage in reckless activities. I imagine this is for top officials such as CEOs or maybe a sports star, not common workers. Even with that clause, they typically mean something like engaging in parachuting or something with a known danger, not eating spicy food.



    With that said, you may be asked to bring in a doctor's note. That wouldn't be unfair for your employer to request such thing. In the future, avoid food you know will cause illness. Not so much for work reasons but for health reasons.



    I eat pizzas on a regular basis but last time I went with co-workers, we ate at this pizza shop and the spinach on mine must have been rotten or something because I got really sick afterwards. I went home and came back to work the next day. No questions or issues since that's what sick leave is for. I do not go to that pizza place any longer, though, but next time I would be more careful about what toppings I choose at the establishment.






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      In the USA, I imagine Germany too, only way it would be "illegal" is if you were contractually obligated to not be reckless or engage in reckless activities. I imagine this is for top officials such as CEOs or maybe a sports star, not common workers. Even with that clause, they typically mean something like engaging in parachuting or something with a known danger, not eating spicy food.



      With that said, you may be asked to bring in a doctor's note. That wouldn't be unfair for your employer to request such thing. In the future, avoid food you know will cause illness. Not so much for work reasons but for health reasons.



      I eat pizzas on a regular basis but last time I went with co-workers, we ate at this pizza shop and the spinach on mine must have been rotten or something because I got really sick afterwards. I went home and came back to work the next day. No questions or issues since that's what sick leave is for. I do not go to that pizza place any longer, though, but next time I would be more careful about what toppings I choose at the establishment.






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        In the USA, I imagine Germany too, only way it would be "illegal" is if you were contractually obligated to not be reckless or engage in reckless activities. I imagine this is for top officials such as CEOs or maybe a sports star, not common workers. Even with that clause, they typically mean something like engaging in parachuting or something with a known danger, not eating spicy food.



        With that said, you may be asked to bring in a doctor's note. That wouldn't be unfair for your employer to request such thing. In the future, avoid food you know will cause illness. Not so much for work reasons but for health reasons.



        I eat pizzas on a regular basis but last time I went with co-workers, we ate at this pizza shop and the spinach on mine must have been rotten or something because I got really sick afterwards. I went home and came back to work the next day. No questions or issues since that's what sick leave is for. I do not go to that pizza place any longer, though, but next time I would be more careful about what toppings I choose at the establishment.






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        In the USA, I imagine Germany too, only way it would be "illegal" is if you were contractually obligated to not be reckless or engage in reckless activities. I imagine this is for top officials such as CEOs or maybe a sports star, not common workers. Even with that clause, they typically mean something like engaging in parachuting or something with a known danger, not eating spicy food.



        With that said, you may be asked to bring in a doctor's note. That wouldn't be unfair for your employer to request such thing. In the future, avoid food you know will cause illness. Not so much for work reasons but for health reasons.



        I eat pizzas on a regular basis but last time I went with co-workers, we ate at this pizza shop and the spinach on mine must have been rotten or something because I got really sick afterwards. I went home and came back to work the next day. No questions or issues since that's what sick leave is for. I do not go to that pizza place any longer, though, but next time I would be more careful about what toppings I choose at the establishment.







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            Getting sick from a pizza you've bought in good faith is bad luck, but hardly illegal.



            If you kept eating there and persistently got sick, your boss might ask questions about your reasoning though. I've heard the rants of managers who got annoyed with people getting food poisoning from the same fried chicken shop for example. That place only offered sick pay off you had sickness for a week or more and had a doctor's note though.



            Employers do have the right to deny sick leave if you caused yourself injury for the purpose of getting paid time off. This was in contracts I've signed before.






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            • Good poisoning is less annoying than bad poisoning.

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            • Lol, that was a dyac moment

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            • Another way this could work is some food that you love the taste of, but that gives you migraines. Then you'll know you're going to get sick, not just that you're taking a risk. Like with drinking / drugs (other well-known ways to make yourself unable to work), that might be punishable by employers.

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            Getting sick from a pizza you've bought in good faith is bad luck, but hardly illegal.



            If you kept eating there and persistently got sick, your boss might ask questions about your reasoning though. I've heard the rants of managers who got annoyed with people getting food poisoning from the same fried chicken shop for example. That place only offered sick pay off you had sickness for a week or more and had a doctor's note though.



            Employers do have the right to deny sick leave if you caused yourself injury for the purpose of getting paid time off. This was in contracts I've signed before.






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            • Good poisoning is less annoying than bad poisoning.

              – Umberto P.
              7 hours ago











            • Lol, that was a dyac moment

              – Sam Lee
              6 hours ago











            • Another way this could work is some food that you love the taste of, but that gives you migraines. Then you'll know you're going to get sick, not just that you're taking a risk. Like with drinking / drugs (other well-known ways to make yourself unable to work), that might be punishable by employers.

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            Getting sick from a pizza you've bought in good faith is bad luck, but hardly illegal.



            If you kept eating there and persistently got sick, your boss might ask questions about your reasoning though. I've heard the rants of managers who got annoyed with people getting food poisoning from the same fried chicken shop for example. That place only offered sick pay off you had sickness for a week or more and had a doctor's note though.



            Employers do have the right to deny sick leave if you caused yourself injury for the purpose of getting paid time off. This was in contracts I've signed before.






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            Getting sick from a pizza you've bought in good faith is bad luck, but hardly illegal.



            If you kept eating there and persistently got sick, your boss might ask questions about your reasoning though. I've heard the rants of managers who got annoyed with people getting food poisoning from the same fried chicken shop for example. That place only offered sick pay off you had sickness for a week or more and had a doctor's note though.



            Employers do have the right to deny sick leave if you caused yourself injury for the purpose of getting paid time off. This was in contracts I've signed before.







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            • Good poisoning is less annoying than bad poisoning.

              – Umberto P.
              7 hours ago











            • Lol, that was a dyac moment

              – Sam Lee
              6 hours ago











            • Another way this could work is some food that you love the taste of, but that gives you migraines. Then you'll know you're going to get sick, not just that you're taking a risk. Like with drinking / drugs (other well-known ways to make yourself unable to work), that might be punishable by employers.

              – Peter Cordes
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            • Good poisoning is less annoying than bad poisoning.

              – Umberto P.
              7 hours ago











            • Lol, that was a dyac moment

              – Sam Lee
              6 hours ago











            • Another way this could work is some food that you love the taste of, but that gives you migraines. Then you'll know you're going to get sick, not just that you're taking a risk. Like with drinking / drugs (other well-known ways to make yourself unable to work), that might be punishable by employers.

              – Peter Cordes
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            Good poisoning is less annoying than bad poisoning.

            – Umberto P.
            7 hours ago





            Good poisoning is less annoying than bad poisoning.

            – Umberto P.
            7 hours ago













            Lol, that was a dyac moment

            – Sam Lee
            6 hours ago





            Lol, that was a dyac moment

            – Sam Lee
            6 hours ago













            Another way this could work is some food that you love the taste of, but that gives you migraines. Then you'll know you're going to get sick, not just that you're taking a risk. Like with drinking / drugs (other well-known ways to make yourself unable to work), that might be punishable by employers.

            – Peter Cordes
            3 hours ago





            Another way this could work is some food that you love the taste of, but that gives you migraines. Then you'll know you're going to get sick, not just that you're taking a risk. Like with drinking / drugs (other well-known ways to make yourself unable to work), that might be punishable by employers.

            – Peter Cordes
            3 hours ago











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            Did you intentionally make yourself sick for the express purpose of using sick leave? If not, then no fault exists.






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            • I could imagine that failing to avoid something you knew (from past experience) would make you sick would be a problem, even if the reason for eating it was that it tastes good. (e.g. some food that you love, but that gives you migraines.) That's getting into territory that's could be considered somewhat similar to drinking / drugs, which are well-known ways to make yourself unable to work and typically are punishable by employers.

              – Peter Cordes
              3 hours ago











            • That seems like a gray area. If I eat something that I know may make me too sick to work then that's foolish and possibly negligent. Is it criminally negligent? Probably not. I think intent has a lot of bearing here. If my express intent is to make myself too sick to work than that's probably a problem.

              – joeqwerty
              3 hours ago











            • So maybe something they could fire you over, like other employee behaviour problems? But might not be considered a breach of contract if you'd agreed to work for at least x months as part of some offer / deal? And not something they could sue you over. I don't think "criminal" is really the right word even for getting drunk before (not) coming to work; it's not breaking criminal law (unless you're a bus driver or otherwise could injure people by being negligent in your job...)

              – Peter Cordes
              3 hours ago
















            2














            Did you intentionally make yourself sick for the express purpose of using sick leave? If not, then no fault exists.






            share|improve this answer
























            • I could imagine that failing to avoid something you knew (from past experience) would make you sick would be a problem, even if the reason for eating it was that it tastes good. (e.g. some food that you love, but that gives you migraines.) That's getting into territory that's could be considered somewhat similar to drinking / drugs, which are well-known ways to make yourself unable to work and typically are punishable by employers.

              – Peter Cordes
              3 hours ago











            • That seems like a gray area. If I eat something that I know may make me too sick to work then that's foolish and possibly negligent. Is it criminally negligent? Probably not. I think intent has a lot of bearing here. If my express intent is to make myself too sick to work than that's probably a problem.

              – joeqwerty
              3 hours ago











            • So maybe something they could fire you over, like other employee behaviour problems? But might not be considered a breach of contract if you'd agreed to work for at least x months as part of some offer / deal? And not something they could sue you over. I don't think "criminal" is really the right word even for getting drunk before (not) coming to work; it's not breaking criminal law (unless you're a bus driver or otherwise could injure people by being negligent in your job...)

              – Peter Cordes
              3 hours ago














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            2








            2







            Did you intentionally make yourself sick for the express purpose of using sick leave? If not, then no fault exists.






            share|improve this answer













            Did you intentionally make yourself sick for the express purpose of using sick leave? If not, then no fault exists.







            share|improve this answer












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            • I could imagine that failing to avoid something you knew (from past experience) would make you sick would be a problem, even if the reason for eating it was that it tastes good. (e.g. some food that you love, but that gives you migraines.) That's getting into territory that's could be considered somewhat similar to drinking / drugs, which are well-known ways to make yourself unable to work and typically are punishable by employers.

              – Peter Cordes
              3 hours ago











            • That seems like a gray area. If I eat something that I know may make me too sick to work then that's foolish and possibly negligent. Is it criminally negligent? Probably not. I think intent has a lot of bearing here. If my express intent is to make myself too sick to work than that's probably a problem.

              – joeqwerty
              3 hours ago











            • So maybe something they could fire you over, like other employee behaviour problems? But might not be considered a breach of contract if you'd agreed to work for at least x months as part of some offer / deal? And not something they could sue you over. I don't think "criminal" is really the right word even for getting drunk before (not) coming to work; it's not breaking criminal law (unless you're a bus driver or otherwise could injure people by being negligent in your job...)

              – Peter Cordes
              3 hours ago



















            • I could imagine that failing to avoid something you knew (from past experience) would make you sick would be a problem, even if the reason for eating it was that it tastes good. (e.g. some food that you love, but that gives you migraines.) That's getting into territory that's could be considered somewhat similar to drinking / drugs, which are well-known ways to make yourself unable to work and typically are punishable by employers.

              – Peter Cordes
              3 hours ago











            • That seems like a gray area. If I eat something that I know may make me too sick to work then that's foolish and possibly negligent. Is it criminally negligent? Probably not. I think intent has a lot of bearing here. If my express intent is to make myself too sick to work than that's probably a problem.

              – joeqwerty
              3 hours ago











            • So maybe something they could fire you over, like other employee behaviour problems? But might not be considered a breach of contract if you'd agreed to work for at least x months as part of some offer / deal? And not something they could sue you over. I don't think "criminal" is really the right word even for getting drunk before (not) coming to work; it's not breaking criminal law (unless you're a bus driver or otherwise could injure people by being negligent in your job...)

              – Peter Cordes
              3 hours ago

















            I could imagine that failing to avoid something you knew (from past experience) would make you sick would be a problem, even if the reason for eating it was that it tastes good. (e.g. some food that you love, but that gives you migraines.) That's getting into territory that's could be considered somewhat similar to drinking / drugs, which are well-known ways to make yourself unable to work and typically are punishable by employers.

            – Peter Cordes
            3 hours ago





            I could imagine that failing to avoid something you knew (from past experience) would make you sick would be a problem, even if the reason for eating it was that it tastes good. (e.g. some food that you love, but that gives you migraines.) That's getting into territory that's could be considered somewhat similar to drinking / drugs, which are well-known ways to make yourself unable to work and typically are punishable by employers.

            – Peter Cordes
            3 hours ago













            That seems like a gray area. If I eat something that I know may make me too sick to work then that's foolish and possibly negligent. Is it criminally negligent? Probably not. I think intent has a lot of bearing here. If my express intent is to make myself too sick to work than that's probably a problem.

            – joeqwerty
            3 hours ago





            That seems like a gray area. If I eat something that I know may make me too sick to work then that's foolish and possibly negligent. Is it criminally negligent? Probably not. I think intent has a lot of bearing here. If my express intent is to make myself too sick to work than that's probably a problem.

            – joeqwerty
            3 hours ago













            So maybe something they could fire you over, like other employee behaviour problems? But might not be considered a breach of contract if you'd agreed to work for at least x months as part of some offer / deal? And not something they could sue you over. I don't think "criminal" is really the right word even for getting drunk before (not) coming to work; it's not breaking criminal law (unless you're a bus driver or otherwise could injure people by being negligent in your job...)

            – Peter Cordes
            3 hours ago





            So maybe something they could fire you over, like other employee behaviour problems? But might not be considered a breach of contract if you'd agreed to work for at least x months as part of some offer / deal? And not something they could sue you over. I don't think "criminal" is really the right word even for getting drunk before (not) coming to work; it's not breaking criminal law (unless you're a bus driver or otherwise could injure people by being negligent in your job...)

            – Peter Cordes
            3 hours ago










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