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The position



Part One: Reach the above position from the starting position



Part Two: Find the fastest way to get to this position.




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    So for the record, is both colours allowed to be moved? And does both or only one king need to reach the other side?
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    – Adam
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    @Adam For one, please use proper grammar. And there kings stay where they are throughout the entire game, based on how the diagram looks. I’m already working on how to find even just one way to reach this position. I’ve already gotten some progress.
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    – Rewan Demontay
    8 hours ago








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    @Adam - This is called Retrograde analysis, and the standard constraint is that you are supposed to figure out how the position was arrived at via the normal rules of Chess - that is, alternating white and black moves, with white moving first, no unannounced checks, no failures to escape check, no illegal moves, and so on.
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    – Jeff Zeitlin
    8 hours ago






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    @RewanDemontay Why? That comment was unnecessary... telling someone to use "proper grammar" is quite an obnoxious statement. In general, grammar police-ing isn't necessary unless the grammar is so bad that the comment becomes unreadble. If it ever gets to that point, you can ask politely for that person to clarify rather than outright telling them that they have a bad grammar: Not only does that not fix any problems, but also creates conflict. We try to avoid that here. :)
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    – North
    8 hours ago






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    Also isn't the term "backwards pawn" a chess term? Lol
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    – North
    8 hours ago
















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$begingroup$



The position



Part One: Reach the above position from the starting position



Part Two: Find the fastest way to get to this position.




Answering part one will get you an upvote, answering part two gets the checkmark!






no-computers chess







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  • $begingroup$
    So for the record, is both colours allowed to be moved? And does both or only one king need to reach the other side?
    $endgroup$
    – Adam
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Adam For one, please use proper grammar. And there kings stay where they are throughout the entire game, based on how the diagram looks. I’m already working on how to find even just one way to reach this position. I’ve already gotten some progress.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    8 hours ago








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Adam - This is called Retrograde analysis, and the standard constraint is that you are supposed to figure out how the position was arrived at via the normal rules of Chess - that is, alternating white and black moves, with white moving first, no unannounced checks, no failures to escape check, no illegal moves, and so on.
    $endgroup$
    – Jeff Zeitlin
    8 hours ago






  • 5




    $begingroup$
    @RewanDemontay Why? That comment was unnecessary... telling someone to use "proper grammar" is quite an obnoxious statement. In general, grammar police-ing isn't necessary unless the grammar is so bad that the comment becomes unreadble. If it ever gets to that point, you can ask politely for that person to clarify rather than outright telling them that they have a bad grammar: Not only does that not fix any problems, but also creates conflict. We try to avoid that here. :)
    $endgroup$
    – North
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also isn't the term "backwards pawn" a chess term? Lol
    $endgroup$
    – North
    8 hours ago














2












2








2





$begingroup$



The position



Part One: Reach the above position from the starting position



Part Two: Find the fastest way to get to this position.




Answering part one will get you an upvote, answering part two gets the checkmark!






no-computers chess







share|improve this question









$endgroup$





The position



Part One: Reach the above position from the starting position



Part Two: Find the fastest way to get to this position.




Answering part one will get you an upvote, answering part two gets the checkmark!






no-computers chess




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  • $begingroup$
    So for the record, is both colours allowed to be moved? And does both or only one king need to reach the other side?
    $endgroup$
    – Adam
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Adam For one, please use proper grammar. And there kings stay where they are throughout the entire game, based on how the diagram looks. I’m already working on how to find even just one way to reach this position. I’ve already gotten some progress.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    8 hours ago








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Adam - This is called Retrograde analysis, and the standard constraint is that you are supposed to figure out how the position was arrived at via the normal rules of Chess - that is, alternating white and black moves, with white moving first, no unannounced checks, no failures to escape check, no illegal moves, and so on.
    $endgroup$
    – Jeff Zeitlin
    8 hours ago






  • 5




    $begingroup$
    @RewanDemontay Why? That comment was unnecessary... telling someone to use "proper grammar" is quite an obnoxious statement. In general, grammar police-ing isn't necessary unless the grammar is so bad that the comment becomes unreadble. If it ever gets to that point, you can ask politely for that person to clarify rather than outright telling them that they have a bad grammar: Not only does that not fix any problems, but also creates conflict. We try to avoid that here. :)
    $endgroup$
    – North
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also isn't the term "backwards pawn" a chess term? Lol
    $endgroup$
    – North
    8 hours ago


















  • $begingroup$
    So for the record, is both colours allowed to be moved? And does both or only one king need to reach the other side?
    $endgroup$
    – Adam
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Adam For one, please use proper grammar. And there kings stay where they are throughout the entire game, based on how the diagram looks. I’m already working on how to find even just one way to reach this position. I’ve already gotten some progress.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    8 hours ago








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Adam - This is called Retrograde analysis, and the standard constraint is that you are supposed to figure out how the position was arrived at via the normal rules of Chess - that is, alternating white and black moves, with white moving first, no unannounced checks, no failures to escape check, no illegal moves, and so on.
    $endgroup$
    – Jeff Zeitlin
    8 hours ago






  • 5




    $begingroup$
    @RewanDemontay Why? That comment was unnecessary... telling someone to use "proper grammar" is quite an obnoxious statement. In general, grammar police-ing isn't necessary unless the grammar is so bad that the comment becomes unreadble. If it ever gets to that point, you can ask politely for that person to clarify rather than outright telling them that they have a bad grammar: Not only does that not fix any problems, but also creates conflict. We try to avoid that here. :)
    $endgroup$
    – North
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also isn't the term "backwards pawn" a chess term? Lol
    $endgroup$
    – North
    8 hours ago
















$begingroup$
So for the record, is both colours allowed to be moved? And does both or only one king need to reach the other side?
$endgroup$
– Adam
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
So for the record, is both colours allowed to be moved? And does both or only one king need to reach the other side?
$endgroup$
– Adam
8 hours ago












$begingroup$
@Adam For one, please use proper grammar. And there kings stay where they are throughout the entire game, based on how the diagram looks. I’m already working on how to find even just one way to reach this position. I’ve already gotten some progress.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
8 hours ago






$begingroup$
@Adam For one, please use proper grammar. And there kings stay where they are throughout the entire game, based on how the diagram looks. I’m already working on how to find even just one way to reach this position. I’ve already gotten some progress.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
8 hours ago






2




2




$begingroup$
@Adam - This is called Retrograde analysis, and the standard constraint is that you are supposed to figure out how the position was arrived at via the normal rules of Chess - that is, alternating white and black moves, with white moving first, no unannounced checks, no failures to escape check, no illegal moves, and so on.
$endgroup$
– Jeff Zeitlin
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Adam - This is called Retrograde analysis, and the standard constraint is that you are supposed to figure out how the position was arrived at via the normal rules of Chess - that is, alternating white and black moves, with white moving first, no unannounced checks, no failures to escape check, no illegal moves, and so on.
$endgroup$
– Jeff Zeitlin
8 hours ago




5




5




$begingroup$
@RewanDemontay Why? That comment was unnecessary... telling someone to use "proper grammar" is quite an obnoxious statement. In general, grammar police-ing isn't necessary unless the grammar is so bad that the comment becomes unreadble. If it ever gets to that point, you can ask politely for that person to clarify rather than outright telling them that they have a bad grammar: Not only does that not fix any problems, but also creates conflict. We try to avoid that here. :)
$endgroup$
– North
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
@RewanDemontay Why? That comment was unnecessary... telling someone to use "proper grammar" is quite an obnoxious statement. In general, grammar police-ing isn't necessary unless the grammar is so bad that the comment becomes unreadble. If it ever gets to that point, you can ask politely for that person to clarify rather than outright telling them that they have a bad grammar: Not only does that not fix any problems, but also creates conflict. We try to avoid that here. :)
$endgroup$
– North
8 hours ago




1




1




$begingroup$
Also isn't the term "backwards pawn" a chess term? Lol
$endgroup$
– North
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
Also isn't the term "backwards pawn" a chess term? Lol
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– North
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Here is a solution in 35 moves.






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    I honestly think that this may be the fastest way. It looks too perfect for it be able to be taken any faster.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    3 hours ago





















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UPDATE: I got it down to




32 moves.




There's still some room for improvement, but it's the shortest one so far. Here's the link






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    $begingroup$
    I got it down by half a move using some simple removing in the end. apronus.com/chess/pgnviewer/…
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    – Rewan Demontay
    6 hours ago












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    Looking good, looking good!
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    – Brandon_J
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So, far, I have been able to get MOST of the pawns in their place. It’s just that the center is so full of pawns that it’s nigh near impossible to switch them. I will look into other ways such as going around the center in some convoluted way.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 1: From what I can tell, the wanted position is actually impossible t get. But you can have a very SIMILAR position, as seen in this game. I will work on getting to be as fast as possible.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 2: I have found an even more similar position whilst finding an even quicker version. This version is faster, yes.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 3: Another attempt, without the annoying spaces in the above game, and only a few moves longer.



PGN viewer






share|improve this answer











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  • $begingroup$
    Yeah I know, this answer is a bit sloppy in organization atm. Is you can edit it to get a working replayer in for both games, please do do that.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    apronus.com is not the best choice for SE sites. Try this for putting a replayer in your post.
    $endgroup$
    – Brandon_J
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    I did try that. It didn’t work for some reason.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, I put 4 spaces in front of the FEN and the game record.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    6 hours ago











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    I honestly think that this may be the fastest way. It looks too perfect for it be able to be taken any faster.
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Here is a solution in 35 moves.






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    I honestly think that this may be the fastest way. It looks too perfect for it be able to be taken any faster.
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answered 5 hours ago









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    I honestly think that this may be the fastest way. It looks too perfect for it be able to be taken any faster.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    3 hours ago




















  • $begingroup$
    I honestly think that this may be the fastest way. It looks too perfect for it be able to be taken any faster.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    3 hours ago


















$begingroup$
I honestly think that this may be the fastest way. It looks too perfect for it be able to be taken any faster.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
3 hours ago






$begingroup$
I honestly think that this may be the fastest way. It looks too perfect for it be able to be taken any faster.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
3 hours ago













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UPDATE: I got it down to




32 moves.




There's still some room for improvement, but it's the shortest one so far. Here's the link






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    $begingroup$
    I got it down by half a move using some simple removing in the end. apronus.com/chess/pgnviewer/…
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    – Rewan Demontay
    6 hours ago












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    Looking good, looking good!
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    – Brandon_J
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3












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UPDATE: I got it down to




32 moves.




There's still some room for improvement, but it's the shortest one so far. Here's the link






share|improve this answer











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  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I got it down by half a move using some simple removing in the end. apronus.com/chess/pgnviewer/…
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    6 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    Looking good, looking good!
    $endgroup$
    – Brandon_J
    1 hour ago














3












3








3





$begingroup$

UPDATE: I got it down to




32 moves.




There's still some room for improvement, but it's the shortest one so far. Here's the link






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$



UPDATE: I got it down to




32 moves.




There's still some room for improvement, but it's the shortest one so far. Here's the link







share|improve this answer














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answered 6 hours ago









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  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I got it down by half a move using some simple removing in the end. apronus.com/chess/pgnviewer/…
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    6 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    Looking good, looking good!
    $endgroup$
    – Brandon_J
    1 hour ago














  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I got it down by half a move using some simple removing in the end. apronus.com/chess/pgnviewer/…
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    6 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    Looking good, looking good!
    $endgroup$
    – Brandon_J
    1 hour ago








2




2




$begingroup$
I got it down by half a move using some simple removing in the end. apronus.com/chess/pgnviewer/…
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
6 hours ago






$begingroup$
I got it down by half a move using some simple removing in the end. apronus.com/chess/pgnviewer/…
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
6 hours ago














$begingroup$
Looking good, looking good!
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– Brandon_J
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
Looking good, looking good!
$endgroup$
– Brandon_J
1 hour ago











0












$begingroup$

So, far, I have been able to get MOST of the pawns in their place. It’s just that the center is so full of pawns that it’s nigh near impossible to switch them. I will look into other ways such as going around the center in some convoluted way.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 1: From what I can tell, the wanted position is actually impossible t get. But you can have a very SIMILAR position, as seen in this game. I will work on getting to be as fast as possible.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 2: I have found an even more similar position whilst finding an even quicker version. This version is faster, yes.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 3: Another attempt, without the annoying spaces in the above game, and only a few moves longer.



PGN viewer






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Yeah I know, this answer is a bit sloppy in organization atm. Is you can edit it to get a working replayer in for both games, please do do that.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    apronus.com is not the best choice for SE sites. Try this for putting a replayer in your post.
    $endgroup$
    – Brandon_J
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    I did try that. It didn’t work for some reason.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, I put 4 spaces in front of the FEN and the game record.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    6 hours ago
















0












$begingroup$

So, far, I have been able to get MOST of the pawns in their place. It’s just that the center is so full of pawns that it’s nigh near impossible to switch them. I will look into other ways such as going around the center in some convoluted way.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 1: From what I can tell, the wanted position is actually impossible t get. But you can have a very SIMILAR position, as seen in this game. I will work on getting to be as fast as possible.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 2: I have found an even more similar position whilst finding an even quicker version. This version is faster, yes.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 3: Another attempt, without the annoying spaces in the above game, and only a few moves longer.



PGN viewer






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Yeah I know, this answer is a bit sloppy in organization atm. Is you can edit it to get a working replayer in for both games, please do do that.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    apronus.com is not the best choice for SE sites. Try this for putting a replayer in your post.
    $endgroup$
    – Brandon_J
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    I did try that. It didn’t work for some reason.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, I put 4 spaces in front of the FEN and the game record.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    6 hours ago














0












0








0





$begingroup$

So, far, I have been able to get MOST of the pawns in their place. It’s just that the center is so full of pawns that it’s nigh near impossible to switch them. I will look into other ways such as going around the center in some convoluted way.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 1: From what I can tell, the wanted position is actually impossible t get. But you can have a very SIMILAR position, as seen in this game. I will work on getting to be as fast as possible.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 2: I have found an even more similar position whilst finding an even quicker version. This version is faster, yes.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 3: Another attempt, without the annoying spaces in the above game, and only a few moves longer.



PGN viewer






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$



So, far, I have been able to get MOST of the pawns in their place. It’s just that the center is so full of pawns that it’s nigh near impossible to switch them. I will look into other ways such as going around the center in some convoluted way.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 1: From what I can tell, the wanted position is actually impossible t get. But you can have a very SIMILAR position, as seen in this game. I will work on getting to be as fast as possible.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 2: I have found an even more similar position whilst finding an even quicker version. This version is faster, yes.



PGN viewer



UPDATE 3: Another attempt, without the annoying spaces in the above game, and only a few moves longer.



PGN viewer







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited 5 hours ago









Brandon_J

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answered 8 hours ago









Rewan DemontayRewan Demontay

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  • $begingroup$
    Yeah I know, this answer is a bit sloppy in organization atm. Is you can edit it to get a working replayer in for both games, please do do that.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    apronus.com is not the best choice for SE sites. Try this for putting a replayer in your post.
    $endgroup$
    – Brandon_J
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    I did try that. It didn’t work for some reason.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, I put 4 spaces in front of the FEN and the game record.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    6 hours ago


















  • $begingroup$
    Yeah I know, this answer is a bit sloppy in organization atm. Is you can edit it to get a working replayer in for both games, please do do that.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    apronus.com is not the best choice for SE sites. Try this for putting a replayer in your post.
    $endgroup$
    – Brandon_J
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    I did try that. It didn’t work for some reason.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, I put 4 spaces in front of the FEN and the game record.
    $endgroup$
    – Rewan Demontay
    6 hours ago
















$begingroup$
Yeah I know, this answer is a bit sloppy in organization atm. Is you can edit it to get a working replayer in for both games, please do do that.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
Yeah I know, this answer is a bit sloppy in organization atm. Is you can edit it to get a working replayer in for both games, please do do that.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
8 hours ago












$begingroup$
apronus.com is not the best choice for SE sites. Try this for putting a replayer in your post.
$endgroup$
– Brandon_J
7 hours ago




$begingroup$
apronus.com is not the best choice for SE sites. Try this for putting a replayer in your post.
$endgroup$
– Brandon_J
7 hours ago












$begingroup$
I did try that. It didn’t work for some reason.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
7 hours ago




$begingroup$
I did try that. It didn’t work for some reason.
$endgroup$
– Rewan Demontay
7 hours ago












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Yes, I put 4 spaces in front of the FEN and the game record.
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Yes, I put 4 spaces in front of the FEN and the game record.
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