What was Pike's Dissertation?
In the 2009 Star Trek Film Pike and Kirk have the following conversation:
PIKE: For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin. Something I admired about your dad, he didn't believe in no-win scenarios.
KIRK: Sure learned his lesson.
PIKE: Well, it depends on how you define winning. You're here, aren't ya?
KIRK: Thanks.
PIKE: You know, that instinct to leap without looking, that was his nature too, and in my opinion, it's something Starfleet's lost.
This has always confused me, it sounds like Pike knew George Kirk. At least for him to comment on his beliefs and behaviour certainly makes it sound like he did.
Did Pike get all this from a textbook or logs or did he actually spend time on the Kelvin? If it's the latter surely he wouldn't have had access to the XO as a lowly cadet!? If he did serve on the Kelvin before he was commissioned does that mean he was there the day Nero arrived?
What exactly did Pike's dissertation entail?
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In the 2009 Star Trek Film Pike and Kirk have the following conversation:
PIKE: For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin. Something I admired about your dad, he didn't believe in no-win scenarios.
KIRK: Sure learned his lesson.
PIKE: Well, it depends on how you define winning. You're here, aren't ya?
KIRK: Thanks.
PIKE: You know, that instinct to leap without looking, that was his nature too, and in my opinion, it's something Starfleet's lost.
This has always confused me, it sounds like Pike knew George Kirk. At least for him to comment on his beliefs and behaviour certainly makes it sound like he did.
Did Pike get all this from a textbook or logs or did he actually spend time on the Kelvin? If it's the latter surely he wouldn't have had access to the XO as a lowly cadet!? If he did serve on the Kelvin before he was commissioned does that mean he was there the day Nero arrived?
What exactly did Pike's dissertation entail?
star-trek star-trek-2009 captain-pike
add a comment |
In the 2009 Star Trek Film Pike and Kirk have the following conversation:
PIKE: For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin. Something I admired about your dad, he didn't believe in no-win scenarios.
KIRK: Sure learned his lesson.
PIKE: Well, it depends on how you define winning. You're here, aren't ya?
KIRK: Thanks.
PIKE: You know, that instinct to leap without looking, that was his nature too, and in my opinion, it's something Starfleet's lost.
This has always confused me, it sounds like Pike knew George Kirk. At least for him to comment on his beliefs and behaviour certainly makes it sound like he did.
Did Pike get all this from a textbook or logs or did he actually spend time on the Kelvin? If it's the latter surely he wouldn't have had access to the XO as a lowly cadet!? If he did serve on the Kelvin before he was commissioned does that mean he was there the day Nero arrived?
What exactly did Pike's dissertation entail?
star-trek star-trek-2009 captain-pike
In the 2009 Star Trek Film Pike and Kirk have the following conversation:
PIKE: For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin. Something I admired about your dad, he didn't believe in no-win scenarios.
KIRK: Sure learned his lesson.
PIKE: Well, it depends on how you define winning. You're here, aren't ya?
KIRK: Thanks.
PIKE: You know, that instinct to leap without looking, that was his nature too, and in my opinion, it's something Starfleet's lost.
This has always confused me, it sounds like Pike knew George Kirk. At least for him to comment on his beliefs and behaviour certainly makes it sound like he did.
Did Pike get all this from a textbook or logs or did he actually spend time on the Kelvin? If it's the latter surely he wouldn't have had access to the XO as a lowly cadet!? If he did serve on the Kelvin before he was commissioned does that mean he was there the day Nero arrived?
What exactly did Pike's dissertation entail?
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Listen to the line again:
For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin.
He was not assigned to the USS Kelvin. He was assigned the topic of the USS Kelvin. His dissertation likely discussed the circumstances of its destruction and the leadership choices that were made during it.
This is reinforced later in the movie based on Kirk's line that Pike knew things about the Narada:
KIRK: Fact: the same anomaly -- a lighting storm in space -- that we saw today also occurred on the day of my birth, before a Romulan ship attacked the U.S.S. Kelvin. (to Pike) You know that, I read your dissertation. Which was good.
This is a not-uncommon choice for real-world History Ph.D. dissertations, for example "The British Air Campaign during the Battle of the Somme, April-November, 1916: A Pyrrhic Victory" (just to pick one battle dissertation I found quickly).
Dissertations are frequently hundreds of pages long (that one is 430) and require years of reading and studying logs and letters and interviewing co-workers and witnesses. I don't doubt at all that the author of a dissertation could acquire a sense of the personality of the central character in it.
An aside: The novelization by Alan Dean Foster is sadly no help in this case. For whatever reason, the reference to a dissertation isn't there:
"Captain Christopher Pike." Tilting his head slightly to one side, the Starfleet officer studied the bruised face of the much younger man. "I swear, I'm looking at you--and I'm staring right at him."
Kirk eyed the older man sharply. What the hell...?
In the course of the ensuing conversation Kirk realized he had absorbed more alcohol on his injuries than found its way to his stomach. Wary but riveted, he listened in silence to the visitor's delineation of a history he barely knew.
"Your father didn't believe in no-win scenarios," Pike finally concluded.
(Bold emphasis mine.)
Kirk's later reference to Pike's dissertation is still there and makes less sense since the first reference is gone, but it doesn't provide any more detail than the movie.
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Listen to the line again:
For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin.
He was not assigned to the USS Kelvin. He was assigned the topic of the USS Kelvin. His dissertation likely discussed the circumstances of its destruction and the leadership choices that were made during it.
This is reinforced later in the movie based on Kirk's line that Pike knew things about the Narada:
KIRK: Fact: the same anomaly -- a lighting storm in space -- that we saw today also occurred on the day of my birth, before a Romulan ship attacked the U.S.S. Kelvin. (to Pike) You know that, I read your dissertation. Which was good.
This is a not-uncommon choice for real-world History Ph.D. dissertations, for example "The British Air Campaign during the Battle of the Somme, April-November, 1916: A Pyrrhic Victory" (just to pick one battle dissertation I found quickly).
Dissertations are frequently hundreds of pages long (that one is 430) and require years of reading and studying logs and letters and interviewing co-workers and witnesses. I don't doubt at all that the author of a dissertation could acquire a sense of the personality of the central character in it.
An aside: The novelization by Alan Dean Foster is sadly no help in this case. For whatever reason, the reference to a dissertation isn't there:
"Captain Christopher Pike." Tilting his head slightly to one side, the Starfleet officer studied the bruised face of the much younger man. "I swear, I'm looking at you--and I'm staring right at him."
Kirk eyed the older man sharply. What the hell...?
In the course of the ensuing conversation Kirk realized he had absorbed more alcohol on his injuries than found its way to his stomach. Wary but riveted, he listened in silence to the visitor's delineation of a history he barely knew.
"Your father didn't believe in no-win scenarios," Pike finally concluded.
(Bold emphasis mine.)
Kirk's later reference to Pike's dissertation is still there and makes less sense since the first reference is gone, but it doesn't provide any more detail than the movie.
add a comment |
Listen to the line again:
For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin.
He was not assigned to the USS Kelvin. He was assigned the topic of the USS Kelvin. His dissertation likely discussed the circumstances of its destruction and the leadership choices that were made during it.
This is reinforced later in the movie based on Kirk's line that Pike knew things about the Narada:
KIRK: Fact: the same anomaly -- a lighting storm in space -- that we saw today also occurred on the day of my birth, before a Romulan ship attacked the U.S.S. Kelvin. (to Pike) You know that, I read your dissertation. Which was good.
This is a not-uncommon choice for real-world History Ph.D. dissertations, for example "The British Air Campaign during the Battle of the Somme, April-November, 1916: A Pyrrhic Victory" (just to pick one battle dissertation I found quickly).
Dissertations are frequently hundreds of pages long (that one is 430) and require years of reading and studying logs and letters and interviewing co-workers and witnesses. I don't doubt at all that the author of a dissertation could acquire a sense of the personality of the central character in it.
An aside: The novelization by Alan Dean Foster is sadly no help in this case. For whatever reason, the reference to a dissertation isn't there:
"Captain Christopher Pike." Tilting his head slightly to one side, the Starfleet officer studied the bruised face of the much younger man. "I swear, I'm looking at you--and I'm staring right at him."
Kirk eyed the older man sharply. What the hell...?
In the course of the ensuing conversation Kirk realized he had absorbed more alcohol on his injuries than found its way to his stomach. Wary but riveted, he listened in silence to the visitor's delineation of a history he barely knew.
"Your father didn't believe in no-win scenarios," Pike finally concluded.
(Bold emphasis mine.)
Kirk's later reference to Pike's dissertation is still there and makes less sense since the first reference is gone, but it doesn't provide any more detail than the movie.
add a comment |
Listen to the line again:
For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin.
He was not assigned to the USS Kelvin. He was assigned the topic of the USS Kelvin. His dissertation likely discussed the circumstances of its destruction and the leadership choices that were made during it.
This is reinforced later in the movie based on Kirk's line that Pike knew things about the Narada:
KIRK: Fact: the same anomaly -- a lighting storm in space -- that we saw today also occurred on the day of my birth, before a Romulan ship attacked the U.S.S. Kelvin. (to Pike) You know that, I read your dissertation. Which was good.
This is a not-uncommon choice for real-world History Ph.D. dissertations, for example "The British Air Campaign during the Battle of the Somme, April-November, 1916: A Pyrrhic Victory" (just to pick one battle dissertation I found quickly).
Dissertations are frequently hundreds of pages long (that one is 430) and require years of reading and studying logs and letters and interviewing co-workers and witnesses. I don't doubt at all that the author of a dissertation could acquire a sense of the personality of the central character in it.
An aside: The novelization by Alan Dean Foster is sadly no help in this case. For whatever reason, the reference to a dissertation isn't there:
"Captain Christopher Pike." Tilting his head slightly to one side, the Starfleet officer studied the bruised face of the much younger man. "I swear, I'm looking at you--and I'm staring right at him."
Kirk eyed the older man sharply. What the hell...?
In the course of the ensuing conversation Kirk realized he had absorbed more alcohol on his injuries than found its way to his stomach. Wary but riveted, he listened in silence to the visitor's delineation of a history he barely knew.
"Your father didn't believe in no-win scenarios," Pike finally concluded.
(Bold emphasis mine.)
Kirk's later reference to Pike's dissertation is still there and makes less sense since the first reference is gone, but it doesn't provide any more detail than the movie.
Listen to the line again:
For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin.
He was not assigned to the USS Kelvin. He was assigned the topic of the USS Kelvin. His dissertation likely discussed the circumstances of its destruction and the leadership choices that were made during it.
This is reinforced later in the movie based on Kirk's line that Pike knew things about the Narada:
KIRK: Fact: the same anomaly -- a lighting storm in space -- that we saw today also occurred on the day of my birth, before a Romulan ship attacked the U.S.S. Kelvin. (to Pike) You know that, I read your dissertation. Which was good.
This is a not-uncommon choice for real-world History Ph.D. dissertations, for example "The British Air Campaign during the Battle of the Somme, April-November, 1916: A Pyrrhic Victory" (just to pick one battle dissertation I found quickly).
Dissertations are frequently hundreds of pages long (that one is 430) and require years of reading and studying logs and letters and interviewing co-workers and witnesses. I don't doubt at all that the author of a dissertation could acquire a sense of the personality of the central character in it.
An aside: The novelization by Alan Dean Foster is sadly no help in this case. For whatever reason, the reference to a dissertation isn't there:
"Captain Christopher Pike." Tilting his head slightly to one side, the Starfleet officer studied the bruised face of the much younger man. "I swear, I'm looking at you--and I'm staring right at him."
Kirk eyed the older man sharply. What the hell...?
In the course of the ensuing conversation Kirk realized he had absorbed more alcohol on his injuries than found its way to his stomach. Wary but riveted, he listened in silence to the visitor's delineation of a history he barely knew.
"Your father didn't believe in no-win scenarios," Pike finally concluded.
(Bold emphasis mine.)
Kirk's later reference to Pike's dissertation is still there and makes less sense since the first reference is gone, but it doesn't provide any more detail than the movie.
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