Are there any restrictions to the claims politicians can make?












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So I saw this morning that Donald Trump (US president) claimed the US would be at war with North Korea by now if he hadn't been elected.



This made me wonder if there are any restrictions on what a politician can make or whether this is all down to public opinion (the public pointing out that tensions have been going on for decades or that Donald Trump was originally escalating things rather than calming them down).



Can a politician make any claim and the onus is on their opposition to prove them wrong?



(I'm more interested in the west but if this or 'politician' is too broad then answer specifically on the US president)










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    You're looking for restrictions on politicians that don't apply to "regular citizens", correct?

    – Geobits
    12 hours ago











  • @Geobits If the claim is reasonably related to his or her job, there can also be some interesting & relevant legal privileges which wouldn't apply to "regular citizens", although the example in the question almost certainly doesn't activate them.

    – origimbo
    12 hours ago






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    @LioElbammalf no one (including the POTUS) is allowed to incite a riot, slander someone, falsely advertise, etc. Beyond that, one can claim that one is the Queen of France if one so desires. Claims unless made in very special circumstances are caveat emptor.

    – Jared Smith
    11 hours ago






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    Another point to consider - whether or not any responsibility falls upon the platform on which his message is carried - ethically, legally, and corporate....ly.

    – Zibbobz
    10 hours ago






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    "...Donald Trump was originally escalating things rather than calming them down." This is entirely your opinion. It also happens to be wrong.

    – Wildcard
    9 hours ago
















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So I saw this morning that Donald Trump (US president) claimed the US would be at war with North Korea by now if he hadn't been elected.



This made me wonder if there are any restrictions on what a politician can make or whether this is all down to public opinion (the public pointing out that tensions have been going on for decades or that Donald Trump was originally escalating things rather than calming them down).



Can a politician make any claim and the onus is on their opposition to prove them wrong?



(I'm more interested in the west but if this or 'politician' is too broad then answer specifically on the US president)










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  • 5





    You're looking for restrictions on politicians that don't apply to "regular citizens", correct?

    – Geobits
    12 hours ago











  • @Geobits If the claim is reasonably related to his or her job, there can also be some interesting & relevant legal privileges which wouldn't apply to "regular citizens", although the example in the question almost certainly doesn't activate them.

    – origimbo
    12 hours ago






  • 3





    @LioElbammalf no one (including the POTUS) is allowed to incite a riot, slander someone, falsely advertise, etc. Beyond that, one can claim that one is the Queen of France if one so desires. Claims unless made in very special circumstances are caveat emptor.

    – Jared Smith
    11 hours ago






  • 2





    Another point to consider - whether or not any responsibility falls upon the platform on which his message is carried - ethically, legally, and corporate....ly.

    – Zibbobz
    10 hours ago






  • 3





    "...Donald Trump was originally escalating things rather than calming them down." This is entirely your opinion. It also happens to be wrong.

    – Wildcard
    9 hours ago














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So I saw this morning that Donald Trump (US president) claimed the US would be at war with North Korea by now if he hadn't been elected.



This made me wonder if there are any restrictions on what a politician can make or whether this is all down to public opinion (the public pointing out that tensions have been going on for decades or that Donald Trump was originally escalating things rather than calming them down).



Can a politician make any claim and the onus is on their opposition to prove them wrong?



(I'm more interested in the west but if this or 'politician' is too broad then answer specifically on the US president)










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So I saw this morning that Donald Trump (US president) claimed the US would be at war with North Korea by now if he hadn't been elected.



This made me wonder if there are any restrictions on what a politician can make or whether this is all down to public opinion (the public pointing out that tensions have been going on for decades or that Donald Trump was originally escalating things rather than calming them down).



Can a politician make any claim and the onus is on their opposition to prove them wrong?



(I'm more interested in the west but if this or 'politician' is too broad then answer specifically on the US president)







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    You're looking for restrictions on politicians that don't apply to "regular citizens", correct?

    – Geobits
    12 hours ago











  • @Geobits If the claim is reasonably related to his or her job, there can also be some interesting & relevant legal privileges which wouldn't apply to "regular citizens", although the example in the question almost certainly doesn't activate them.

    – origimbo
    12 hours ago






  • 3





    @LioElbammalf no one (including the POTUS) is allowed to incite a riot, slander someone, falsely advertise, etc. Beyond that, one can claim that one is the Queen of France if one so desires. Claims unless made in very special circumstances are caveat emptor.

    – Jared Smith
    11 hours ago






  • 2





    Another point to consider - whether or not any responsibility falls upon the platform on which his message is carried - ethically, legally, and corporate....ly.

    – Zibbobz
    10 hours ago






  • 3





    "...Donald Trump was originally escalating things rather than calming them down." This is entirely your opinion. It also happens to be wrong.

    – Wildcard
    9 hours ago














  • 5





    You're looking for restrictions on politicians that don't apply to "regular citizens", correct?

    – Geobits
    12 hours ago











  • @Geobits If the claim is reasonably related to his or her job, there can also be some interesting & relevant legal privileges which wouldn't apply to "regular citizens", although the example in the question almost certainly doesn't activate them.

    – origimbo
    12 hours ago






  • 3





    @LioElbammalf no one (including the POTUS) is allowed to incite a riot, slander someone, falsely advertise, etc. Beyond that, one can claim that one is the Queen of France if one so desires. Claims unless made in very special circumstances are caveat emptor.

    – Jared Smith
    11 hours ago






  • 2





    Another point to consider - whether or not any responsibility falls upon the platform on which his message is carried - ethically, legally, and corporate....ly.

    – Zibbobz
    10 hours ago






  • 3





    "...Donald Trump was originally escalating things rather than calming them down." This is entirely your opinion. It also happens to be wrong.

    – Wildcard
    9 hours ago








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You're looking for restrictions on politicians that don't apply to "regular citizens", correct?

– Geobits
12 hours ago





You're looking for restrictions on politicians that don't apply to "regular citizens", correct?

– Geobits
12 hours ago













@Geobits If the claim is reasonably related to his or her job, there can also be some interesting & relevant legal privileges which wouldn't apply to "regular citizens", although the example in the question almost certainly doesn't activate them.

– origimbo
12 hours ago





@Geobits If the claim is reasonably related to his or her job, there can also be some interesting & relevant legal privileges which wouldn't apply to "regular citizens", although the example in the question almost certainly doesn't activate them.

– origimbo
12 hours ago




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@LioElbammalf no one (including the POTUS) is allowed to incite a riot, slander someone, falsely advertise, etc. Beyond that, one can claim that one is the Queen of France if one so desires. Claims unless made in very special circumstances are caveat emptor.

– Jared Smith
11 hours ago





@LioElbammalf no one (including the POTUS) is allowed to incite a riot, slander someone, falsely advertise, etc. Beyond that, one can claim that one is the Queen of France if one so desires. Claims unless made in very special circumstances are caveat emptor.

– Jared Smith
11 hours ago




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Another point to consider - whether or not any responsibility falls upon the platform on which his message is carried - ethically, legally, and corporate....ly.

– Zibbobz
10 hours ago





Another point to consider - whether or not any responsibility falls upon the platform on which his message is carried - ethically, legally, and corporate....ly.

– Zibbobz
10 hours ago




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"...Donald Trump was originally escalating things rather than calming them down." This is entirely your opinion. It also happens to be wrong.

– Wildcard
9 hours ago





"...Donald Trump was originally escalating things rather than calming them down." This is entirely your opinion. It also happens to be wrong.

– Wildcard
9 hours ago










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You are partly right:




  • A politician can make almost any claim, unless libel laws apply.

  • There is no onus on the opposition to prove him wrong because a politician has no right to be believed by the public. The opposition would only try to prove him wrong if there are people left who believe the lying politician.


Most lies will be judged in the "court of public opinion" and not in a court of law. Especially if it comes to hypotheticals -- who knows if a different President would have more or less success with North Korea? One could well argue that previous Western diplomacy was not well suited to deal with DPRK brinkmanship, and that it took another brinkman to bring them to a test stop.






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    Many legislatures also have some form of parlimentary privilege, so for instance in the UK an MP can commit libel and ignore injunctions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/…

    – Paul Johnson
    10 hours ago






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    @PaulJohnson: there's an important condition attached, though: "...for actions done or statements made in the course of their legislative duties". So, for example, an MP can't be sued for libel for anything they might say during proceedings in the Commons; but they could be sued for libel for saying the same thing on Twitter.

    – Steve Melnikoff
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To speak of Canada specifically, our federal politicians operate under the Rules of Order and Decorum while sitting in Parliament, and there's a goodly number of things they're not supposed to do. The ones that seem to come up the most often are:




  • "It is unacceptable to allude to the presence or absence of a Member
    or Minister in the Chamber." They're not allowed to point out that
    no one has seen the Honourable Member at work for the last six
    months.


  • "Remarks directed specifically at another Member which question that
    Member’s integrity, honesty or character are not in order. A Member
    will be requested to withdraw offensive remarks, allegations, or
    accusations of impropriety directed towards another Member." They're
    not allowed to just flat-out call one of their coworkers a liar.


  • "Members are discouraged from referring by name to persons who are
    not Members of Parliament and who do not enjoy parliamentary
    immunity, except in extraordinary circumstances when the national
    interest calls for the naming of an individual." This sometimes
    makes the debates pretty oblique.


  • "Personal attacks, insults and obscene language or words are not in
    order." Notably, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau once claimed that he
    had actually said 'fuddle duddle' and not some other word that may
    have started with 'fu-'.



Outside of parliament, though, they're mostly just regular citizens.






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    You are partly right:




    • A politician can make almost any claim, unless libel laws apply.

    • There is no onus on the opposition to prove him wrong because a politician has no right to be believed by the public. The opposition would only try to prove him wrong if there are people left who believe the lying politician.


    Most lies will be judged in the "court of public opinion" and not in a court of law. Especially if it comes to hypotheticals -- who knows if a different President would have more or less success with North Korea? One could well argue that previous Western diplomacy was not well suited to deal with DPRK brinkmanship, and that it took another brinkman to bring them to a test stop.






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      Many legislatures also have some form of parlimentary privilege, so for instance in the UK an MP can commit libel and ignore injunctions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/…

      – Paul Johnson
      10 hours ago






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      @PaulJohnson: there's an important condition attached, though: "...for actions done or statements made in the course of their legislative duties". So, for example, an MP can't be sued for libel for anything they might say during proceedings in the Commons; but they could be sued for libel for saying the same thing on Twitter.

      – Steve Melnikoff
      9 hours ago
















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    You are partly right:




    • A politician can make almost any claim, unless libel laws apply.

    • There is no onus on the opposition to prove him wrong because a politician has no right to be believed by the public. The opposition would only try to prove him wrong if there are people left who believe the lying politician.


    Most lies will be judged in the "court of public opinion" and not in a court of law. Especially if it comes to hypotheticals -- who knows if a different President would have more or less success with North Korea? One could well argue that previous Western diplomacy was not well suited to deal with DPRK brinkmanship, and that it took another brinkman to bring them to a test stop.






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      Many legislatures also have some form of parlimentary privilege, so for instance in the UK an MP can commit libel and ignore injunctions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/…

      – Paul Johnson
      10 hours ago






    • 2





      @PaulJohnson: there's an important condition attached, though: "...for actions done or statements made in the course of their legislative duties". So, for example, an MP can't be sued for libel for anything they might say during proceedings in the Commons; but they could be sued for libel for saying the same thing on Twitter.

      – Steve Melnikoff
      9 hours ago














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    You are partly right:




    • A politician can make almost any claim, unless libel laws apply.

    • There is no onus on the opposition to prove him wrong because a politician has no right to be believed by the public. The opposition would only try to prove him wrong if there are people left who believe the lying politician.


    Most lies will be judged in the "court of public opinion" and not in a court of law. Especially if it comes to hypotheticals -- who knows if a different President would have more or less success with North Korea? One could well argue that previous Western diplomacy was not well suited to deal with DPRK brinkmanship, and that it took another brinkman to bring them to a test stop.






    share|improve this answer













    You are partly right:




    • A politician can make almost any claim, unless libel laws apply.

    • There is no onus on the opposition to prove him wrong because a politician has no right to be believed by the public. The opposition would only try to prove him wrong if there are people left who believe the lying politician.


    Most lies will be judged in the "court of public opinion" and not in a court of law. Especially if it comes to hypotheticals -- who knows if a different President would have more or less success with North Korea? One could well argue that previous Western diplomacy was not well suited to deal with DPRK brinkmanship, and that it took another brinkman to bring them to a test stop.







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      Many legislatures also have some form of parlimentary privilege, so for instance in the UK an MP can commit libel and ignore injunctions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/…

      – Paul Johnson
      10 hours ago






    • 2





      @PaulJohnson: there's an important condition attached, though: "...for actions done or statements made in the course of their legislative duties". So, for example, an MP can't be sued for libel for anything they might say during proceedings in the Commons; but they could be sued for libel for saying the same thing on Twitter.

      – Steve Melnikoff
      9 hours ago














    • 1





      Many legislatures also have some form of parlimentary privilege, so for instance in the UK an MP can commit libel and ignore injunctions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/…

      – Paul Johnson
      10 hours ago






    • 2





      @PaulJohnson: there's an important condition attached, though: "...for actions done or statements made in the course of their legislative duties". So, for example, an MP can't be sued for libel for anything they might say during proceedings in the Commons; but they could be sued for libel for saying the same thing on Twitter.

      – Steve Melnikoff
      9 hours ago








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    Many legislatures also have some form of parlimentary privilege, so for instance in the UK an MP can commit libel and ignore injunctions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/…

    – Paul Johnson
    10 hours ago





    Many legislatures also have some form of parlimentary privilege, so for instance in the UK an MP can commit libel and ignore injunctions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/…

    – Paul Johnson
    10 hours ago




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    2





    @PaulJohnson: there's an important condition attached, though: "...for actions done or statements made in the course of their legislative duties". So, for example, an MP can't be sued for libel for anything they might say during proceedings in the Commons; but they could be sued for libel for saying the same thing on Twitter.

    – Steve Melnikoff
    9 hours ago





    @PaulJohnson: there's an important condition attached, though: "...for actions done or statements made in the course of their legislative duties". So, for example, an MP can't be sued for libel for anything they might say during proceedings in the Commons; but they could be sued for libel for saying the same thing on Twitter.

    – Steve Melnikoff
    9 hours ago











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    To speak of Canada specifically, our federal politicians operate under the Rules of Order and Decorum while sitting in Parliament, and there's a goodly number of things they're not supposed to do. The ones that seem to come up the most often are:




    • "It is unacceptable to allude to the presence or absence of a Member
      or Minister in the Chamber." They're not allowed to point out that
      no one has seen the Honourable Member at work for the last six
      months.


    • "Remarks directed specifically at another Member which question that
      Member’s integrity, honesty or character are not in order. A Member
      will be requested to withdraw offensive remarks, allegations, or
      accusations of impropriety directed towards another Member." They're
      not allowed to just flat-out call one of their coworkers a liar.


    • "Members are discouraged from referring by name to persons who are
      not Members of Parliament and who do not enjoy parliamentary
      immunity, except in extraordinary circumstances when the national
      interest calls for the naming of an individual." This sometimes
      makes the debates pretty oblique.


    • "Personal attacks, insults and obscene language or words are not in
      order." Notably, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau once claimed that he
      had actually said 'fuddle duddle' and not some other word that may
      have started with 'fu-'.



    Outside of parliament, though, they're mostly just regular citizens.






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      To speak of Canada specifically, our federal politicians operate under the Rules of Order and Decorum while sitting in Parliament, and there's a goodly number of things they're not supposed to do. The ones that seem to come up the most often are:




      • "It is unacceptable to allude to the presence or absence of a Member
        or Minister in the Chamber." They're not allowed to point out that
        no one has seen the Honourable Member at work for the last six
        months.


      • "Remarks directed specifically at another Member which question that
        Member’s integrity, honesty or character are not in order. A Member
        will be requested to withdraw offensive remarks, allegations, or
        accusations of impropriety directed towards another Member." They're
        not allowed to just flat-out call one of their coworkers a liar.


      • "Members are discouraged from referring by name to persons who are
        not Members of Parliament and who do not enjoy parliamentary
        immunity, except in extraordinary circumstances when the national
        interest calls for the naming of an individual." This sometimes
        makes the debates pretty oblique.


      • "Personal attacks, insults and obscene language or words are not in
        order." Notably, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau once claimed that he
        had actually said 'fuddle duddle' and not some other word that may
        have started with 'fu-'.



      Outside of parliament, though, they're mostly just regular citizens.






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        To speak of Canada specifically, our federal politicians operate under the Rules of Order and Decorum while sitting in Parliament, and there's a goodly number of things they're not supposed to do. The ones that seem to come up the most often are:




        • "It is unacceptable to allude to the presence or absence of a Member
          or Minister in the Chamber." They're not allowed to point out that
          no one has seen the Honourable Member at work for the last six
          months.


        • "Remarks directed specifically at another Member which question that
          Member’s integrity, honesty or character are not in order. A Member
          will be requested to withdraw offensive remarks, allegations, or
          accusations of impropriety directed towards another Member." They're
          not allowed to just flat-out call one of their coworkers a liar.


        • "Members are discouraged from referring by name to persons who are
          not Members of Parliament and who do not enjoy parliamentary
          immunity, except in extraordinary circumstances when the national
          interest calls for the naming of an individual." This sometimes
          makes the debates pretty oblique.


        • "Personal attacks, insults and obscene language or words are not in
          order." Notably, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau once claimed that he
          had actually said 'fuddle duddle' and not some other word that may
          have started with 'fu-'.



        Outside of parliament, though, they're mostly just regular citizens.






        share|improve this answer













        To speak of Canada specifically, our federal politicians operate under the Rules of Order and Decorum while sitting in Parliament, and there's a goodly number of things they're not supposed to do. The ones that seem to come up the most often are:




        • "It is unacceptable to allude to the presence or absence of a Member
          or Minister in the Chamber." They're not allowed to point out that
          no one has seen the Honourable Member at work for the last six
          months.


        • "Remarks directed specifically at another Member which question that
          Member’s integrity, honesty or character are not in order. A Member
          will be requested to withdraw offensive remarks, allegations, or
          accusations of impropriety directed towards another Member." They're
          not allowed to just flat-out call one of their coworkers a liar.


        • "Members are discouraged from referring by name to persons who are
          not Members of Parliament and who do not enjoy parliamentary
          immunity, except in extraordinary circumstances when the national
          interest calls for the naming of an individual." This sometimes
          makes the debates pretty oblique.


        • "Personal attacks, insults and obscene language or words are not in
          order." Notably, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau once claimed that he
          had actually said 'fuddle duddle' and not some other word that may
          have started with 'fu-'.



        Outside of parliament, though, they're mostly just regular citizens.







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