Why isn't using magic on the train considered “Underage Magic”?
Many students used magic on the train. In Goblet of Fire, Hermione used "Reparo" on the train; In Half-Blood Prince, Ginny used "Scourgify" in the train when there was "Stinksap" all over the compartment. Why didn't the Ministry of Magic consider this as underage magic when students are constantly reminded that they cannot use magic outside SCHOOL?
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Many students used magic on the train. In Goblet of Fire, Hermione used "Reparo" on the train; In Half-Blood Prince, Ginny used "Scourgify" in the train when there was "Stinksap" all over the compartment. Why didn't the Ministry of Magic consider this as underage magic when students are constantly reminded that they cannot use magic outside SCHOOL?
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Isn't the train itself magical though?
– Monty129
Jun 10 '14 at 13:56
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Many students used magic on the train. In Goblet of Fire, Hermione used "Reparo" on the train; In Half-Blood Prince, Ginny used "Scourgify" in the train when there was "Stinksap" all over the compartment. Why didn't the Ministry of Magic consider this as underage magic when students are constantly reminded that they cannot use magic outside SCHOOL?
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Many students used magic on the train. In Goblet of Fire, Hermione used "Reparo" on the train; In Half-Blood Prince, Ginny used "Scourgify" in the train when there was "Stinksap" all over the compartment. Why didn't the Ministry of Magic consider this as underage magic when students are constantly reminded that they cannot use magic outside SCHOOL?
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Isn't the train itself magical though?
– Monty129
Jun 10 '14 at 13:56
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Isn't the train itself magical though?
– Monty129
Jun 10 '14 at 13:56
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Isn't the train itself magical though?
– Monty129
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Isn't the train itself magical though?
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In real life, it is not uncommon for the trip to and from school being part of a school's responsibility (sometimes even covered by a school's insurance).
The Hogwarts Express doesn't sound like a regular service, but more like a charter by Hogwarts, so it can be considered Hogwarts for all intents and purposes.
I'm still looking for quotes confirming this.
– SQB
Jun 10 '14 at 13:13
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The Hogwarts Express is a train using a concealment charm stretching over a large portion of Britain, it's specifically only used to transport children to Hogwarts... And if your looking for a quote to show that Hogwarts isn't a regular service there's a link to Pottermore on my answer.
– DoctorWho22
Jun 10 '14 at 14:25
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It's most likely that the Hogwarts Express is considered an extension of Hogwarts itself. This would be the only reason as to why Underage Magic is performed on board with no penalty.
There have also been examples of underage magic being performed aboard
the Hogwarts Express without penalty, perhaps suggesting the train is
considered an extension of the school grounds (such as when Ginny
Weasley used the Scouring Charm to clean up a compartment following a
mishap with one of Neville Longbottom's plants.
Order of the Phoenix (Scourging Charm use on the train)
There's quite a few examples of magic being performed on board before reaching the school.
Now according the wikia the Hogwarts Express was specifically used to transport children without suspicion using a concealment charm (which prevents detection from muggles).
Sometime in between 1819 and 1849, Ottaline Gambol rose to the office
of Minister for Magic, and she made a daring and controversial
suggestion to solve the ages-old problem of how to transport hundreds
of students to and from Hogwarts Castle every school year without
attracting the Muggles' attention: intrigued by the Muggle technology,
the Minister saw the potential of using a train as a secure and
comfortable alternative to Portkeys or to unregulated means of travel.
The Ministry of Magic conducted a a large-scale operation involving
one hundred and sixty-seven Memory Charms, as well as the biggest
Concealment Charm ever performed in Britain, in order to acquire the
locomotive. The morning after this operation, the residents of
Hogsmeade awoke to find the gleaming red Hogwarts Express and a
railway station that had not been there previously, and the Muggle
railway employees in Crewe had the feeling they had misplaced
something, which stayed with them for the rest of the year. There
was initial resistance from pure-blood families against using a
Muggle-built device for wizard transportation (which, they claimed,
was "unsafe, insanitary and demeaning"), until the Ministry decreed
that students would arrive to school on the train or not attend at
all.
Source : Pottermore information on the Hogwarts Express
This overall allows the safe transportation of students to Hogwarts, and I also believe it allows them to cast magic without penalty due to the extremely large Concealment Charm as well (muggles wouldn't be able to witness any acts of magic and students usually refrain from performing dangerous spells on board as well for the most part).
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The trace is used to determine the usage of magic anywhere near a minor, not just magic from the minor specifically (which is also why Harry was blamed for Dobby using magic in book 2).
In case of Muggle-born children, it is quite easy to detect, since they are the only ones who can cast magic. In case of wizard/witch-born children, the ministry assumes that the parent will keep their children in check.
In case of the train, there are usually teachers or other witches/wizards on there.
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Do you have any canon proof for the last-sentence conclusion? Let me quote the third book:This had only one occupant, a man sitting fast asleep next to the window. Harry, Ron, and Hermione checked on the threshold. The Hogwarts Express was usually reserved for students and they had never seen an adult there before, except for the witch who pushed the food cart.And then we can assume there is the driver. Other mentions I can recall are: Lupin(from the quote, PoA), and Slughorn(OoP). That is not that many for hundreds of students.
– quapka
Jun 10 '14 at 13:55
@Jonathan Hobbs The trace detects magic used near minors, not near muggles. I'll see if I can find the book passages explaining this.
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:08
@quapka No real cannon examples except the ones you gave. I think it is quite safe to assume that given the speed at which the train travels, it would be slightly harder to pinpoint the exact location, so they might assume it's the witch with the foodcart. (the trace detects magic near a minor, not the exact location - I'll see if I can find it, it's described somewhere in the books).
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:09
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It is explicitly stated in the last chapter of Chamber of Secrets that magic is allowed on the train, and the ban does not take effect until the holidays begin (my emphasis):
Too soon, it was time for the journey home on the Hogwarts Express. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Fred, George, and Ginny got a compartment to themselves. They made the most of the last few hours in which they were allowed to do magic before the holidays. They played Exploding Snap, set off the very last of Fred and George's Filibuster fireworks, and practiced disarming each other by magic. Harry was getting very good at it.
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In real life, it is not uncommon for the trip to and from school being part of a school's responsibility (sometimes even covered by a school's insurance).
The Hogwarts Express doesn't sound like a regular service, but more like a charter by Hogwarts, so it can be considered Hogwarts for all intents and purposes.
I'm still looking for quotes confirming this.
– SQB
Jun 10 '14 at 13:13
1
The Hogwarts Express is a train using a concealment charm stretching over a large portion of Britain, it's specifically only used to transport children to Hogwarts... And if your looking for a quote to show that Hogwarts isn't a regular service there's a link to Pottermore on my answer.
– DoctorWho22
Jun 10 '14 at 14:25
add a comment |
In real life, it is not uncommon for the trip to and from school being part of a school's responsibility (sometimes even covered by a school's insurance).
The Hogwarts Express doesn't sound like a regular service, but more like a charter by Hogwarts, so it can be considered Hogwarts for all intents and purposes.
I'm still looking for quotes confirming this.
– SQB
Jun 10 '14 at 13:13
1
The Hogwarts Express is a train using a concealment charm stretching over a large portion of Britain, it's specifically only used to transport children to Hogwarts... And if your looking for a quote to show that Hogwarts isn't a regular service there's a link to Pottermore on my answer.
– DoctorWho22
Jun 10 '14 at 14:25
add a comment |
In real life, it is not uncommon for the trip to and from school being part of a school's responsibility (sometimes even covered by a school's insurance).
The Hogwarts Express doesn't sound like a regular service, but more like a charter by Hogwarts, so it can be considered Hogwarts for all intents and purposes.
In real life, it is not uncommon for the trip to and from school being part of a school's responsibility (sometimes even covered by a school's insurance).
The Hogwarts Express doesn't sound like a regular service, but more like a charter by Hogwarts, so it can be considered Hogwarts for all intents and purposes.
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I'm still looking for quotes confirming this.
– SQB
Jun 10 '14 at 13:13
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The Hogwarts Express is a train using a concealment charm stretching over a large portion of Britain, it's specifically only used to transport children to Hogwarts... And if your looking for a quote to show that Hogwarts isn't a regular service there's a link to Pottermore on my answer.
– DoctorWho22
Jun 10 '14 at 14:25
add a comment |
I'm still looking for quotes confirming this.
– SQB
Jun 10 '14 at 13:13
1
The Hogwarts Express is a train using a concealment charm stretching over a large portion of Britain, it's specifically only used to transport children to Hogwarts... And if your looking for a quote to show that Hogwarts isn't a regular service there's a link to Pottermore on my answer.
– DoctorWho22
Jun 10 '14 at 14:25
I'm still looking for quotes confirming this.
– SQB
Jun 10 '14 at 13:13
I'm still looking for quotes confirming this.
– SQB
Jun 10 '14 at 13:13
1
1
The Hogwarts Express is a train using a concealment charm stretching over a large portion of Britain, it's specifically only used to transport children to Hogwarts... And if your looking for a quote to show that Hogwarts isn't a regular service there's a link to Pottermore on my answer.
– DoctorWho22
Jun 10 '14 at 14:25
The Hogwarts Express is a train using a concealment charm stretching over a large portion of Britain, it's specifically only used to transport children to Hogwarts... And if your looking for a quote to show that Hogwarts isn't a regular service there's a link to Pottermore on my answer.
– DoctorWho22
Jun 10 '14 at 14:25
add a comment |
It's most likely that the Hogwarts Express is considered an extension of Hogwarts itself. This would be the only reason as to why Underage Magic is performed on board with no penalty.
There have also been examples of underage magic being performed aboard
the Hogwarts Express without penalty, perhaps suggesting the train is
considered an extension of the school grounds (such as when Ginny
Weasley used the Scouring Charm to clean up a compartment following a
mishap with one of Neville Longbottom's plants.
Order of the Phoenix (Scourging Charm use on the train)
There's quite a few examples of magic being performed on board before reaching the school.
Now according the wikia the Hogwarts Express was specifically used to transport children without suspicion using a concealment charm (which prevents detection from muggles).
Sometime in between 1819 and 1849, Ottaline Gambol rose to the office
of Minister for Magic, and she made a daring and controversial
suggestion to solve the ages-old problem of how to transport hundreds
of students to and from Hogwarts Castle every school year without
attracting the Muggles' attention: intrigued by the Muggle technology,
the Minister saw the potential of using a train as a secure and
comfortable alternative to Portkeys or to unregulated means of travel.
The Ministry of Magic conducted a a large-scale operation involving
one hundred and sixty-seven Memory Charms, as well as the biggest
Concealment Charm ever performed in Britain, in order to acquire the
locomotive. The morning after this operation, the residents of
Hogsmeade awoke to find the gleaming red Hogwarts Express and a
railway station that had not been there previously, and the Muggle
railway employees in Crewe had the feeling they had misplaced
something, which stayed with them for the rest of the year. There
was initial resistance from pure-blood families against using a
Muggle-built device for wizard transportation (which, they claimed,
was "unsafe, insanitary and demeaning"), until the Ministry decreed
that students would arrive to school on the train or not attend at
all.
Source : Pottermore information on the Hogwarts Express
This overall allows the safe transportation of students to Hogwarts, and I also believe it allows them to cast magic without penalty due to the extremely large Concealment Charm as well (muggles wouldn't be able to witness any acts of magic and students usually refrain from performing dangerous spells on board as well for the most part).
add a comment |
It's most likely that the Hogwarts Express is considered an extension of Hogwarts itself. This would be the only reason as to why Underage Magic is performed on board with no penalty.
There have also been examples of underage magic being performed aboard
the Hogwarts Express without penalty, perhaps suggesting the train is
considered an extension of the school grounds (such as when Ginny
Weasley used the Scouring Charm to clean up a compartment following a
mishap with one of Neville Longbottom's plants.
Order of the Phoenix (Scourging Charm use on the train)
There's quite a few examples of magic being performed on board before reaching the school.
Now according the wikia the Hogwarts Express was specifically used to transport children without suspicion using a concealment charm (which prevents detection from muggles).
Sometime in between 1819 and 1849, Ottaline Gambol rose to the office
of Minister for Magic, and she made a daring and controversial
suggestion to solve the ages-old problem of how to transport hundreds
of students to and from Hogwarts Castle every school year without
attracting the Muggles' attention: intrigued by the Muggle technology,
the Minister saw the potential of using a train as a secure and
comfortable alternative to Portkeys or to unregulated means of travel.
The Ministry of Magic conducted a a large-scale operation involving
one hundred and sixty-seven Memory Charms, as well as the biggest
Concealment Charm ever performed in Britain, in order to acquire the
locomotive. The morning after this operation, the residents of
Hogsmeade awoke to find the gleaming red Hogwarts Express and a
railway station that had not been there previously, and the Muggle
railway employees in Crewe had the feeling they had misplaced
something, which stayed with them for the rest of the year. There
was initial resistance from pure-blood families against using a
Muggle-built device for wizard transportation (which, they claimed,
was "unsafe, insanitary and demeaning"), until the Ministry decreed
that students would arrive to school on the train or not attend at
all.
Source : Pottermore information on the Hogwarts Express
This overall allows the safe transportation of students to Hogwarts, and I also believe it allows them to cast magic without penalty due to the extremely large Concealment Charm as well (muggles wouldn't be able to witness any acts of magic and students usually refrain from performing dangerous spells on board as well for the most part).
add a comment |
It's most likely that the Hogwarts Express is considered an extension of Hogwarts itself. This would be the only reason as to why Underage Magic is performed on board with no penalty.
There have also been examples of underage magic being performed aboard
the Hogwarts Express without penalty, perhaps suggesting the train is
considered an extension of the school grounds (such as when Ginny
Weasley used the Scouring Charm to clean up a compartment following a
mishap with one of Neville Longbottom's plants.
Order of the Phoenix (Scourging Charm use on the train)
There's quite a few examples of magic being performed on board before reaching the school.
Now according the wikia the Hogwarts Express was specifically used to transport children without suspicion using a concealment charm (which prevents detection from muggles).
Sometime in between 1819 and 1849, Ottaline Gambol rose to the office
of Minister for Magic, and she made a daring and controversial
suggestion to solve the ages-old problem of how to transport hundreds
of students to and from Hogwarts Castle every school year without
attracting the Muggles' attention: intrigued by the Muggle technology,
the Minister saw the potential of using a train as a secure and
comfortable alternative to Portkeys or to unregulated means of travel.
The Ministry of Magic conducted a a large-scale operation involving
one hundred and sixty-seven Memory Charms, as well as the biggest
Concealment Charm ever performed in Britain, in order to acquire the
locomotive. The morning after this operation, the residents of
Hogsmeade awoke to find the gleaming red Hogwarts Express and a
railway station that had not been there previously, and the Muggle
railway employees in Crewe had the feeling they had misplaced
something, which stayed with them for the rest of the year. There
was initial resistance from pure-blood families against using a
Muggle-built device for wizard transportation (which, they claimed,
was "unsafe, insanitary and demeaning"), until the Ministry decreed
that students would arrive to school on the train or not attend at
all.
Source : Pottermore information on the Hogwarts Express
This overall allows the safe transportation of students to Hogwarts, and I also believe it allows them to cast magic without penalty due to the extremely large Concealment Charm as well (muggles wouldn't be able to witness any acts of magic and students usually refrain from performing dangerous spells on board as well for the most part).
It's most likely that the Hogwarts Express is considered an extension of Hogwarts itself. This would be the only reason as to why Underage Magic is performed on board with no penalty.
There have also been examples of underage magic being performed aboard
the Hogwarts Express without penalty, perhaps suggesting the train is
considered an extension of the school grounds (such as when Ginny
Weasley used the Scouring Charm to clean up a compartment following a
mishap with one of Neville Longbottom's plants.
Order of the Phoenix (Scourging Charm use on the train)
There's quite a few examples of magic being performed on board before reaching the school.
Now according the wikia the Hogwarts Express was specifically used to transport children without suspicion using a concealment charm (which prevents detection from muggles).
Sometime in between 1819 and 1849, Ottaline Gambol rose to the office
of Minister for Magic, and she made a daring and controversial
suggestion to solve the ages-old problem of how to transport hundreds
of students to and from Hogwarts Castle every school year without
attracting the Muggles' attention: intrigued by the Muggle technology,
the Minister saw the potential of using a train as a secure and
comfortable alternative to Portkeys or to unregulated means of travel.
The Ministry of Magic conducted a a large-scale operation involving
one hundred and sixty-seven Memory Charms, as well as the biggest
Concealment Charm ever performed in Britain, in order to acquire the
locomotive. The morning after this operation, the residents of
Hogsmeade awoke to find the gleaming red Hogwarts Express and a
railway station that had not been there previously, and the Muggle
railway employees in Crewe had the feeling they had misplaced
something, which stayed with them for the rest of the year. There
was initial resistance from pure-blood families against using a
Muggle-built device for wizard transportation (which, they claimed,
was "unsafe, insanitary and demeaning"), until the Ministry decreed
that students would arrive to school on the train or not attend at
all.
Source : Pottermore information on the Hogwarts Express
This overall allows the safe transportation of students to Hogwarts, and I also believe it allows them to cast magic without penalty due to the extremely large Concealment Charm as well (muggles wouldn't be able to witness any acts of magic and students usually refrain from performing dangerous spells on board as well for the most part).
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The trace is used to determine the usage of magic anywhere near a minor, not just magic from the minor specifically (which is also why Harry was blamed for Dobby using magic in book 2).
In case of Muggle-born children, it is quite easy to detect, since they are the only ones who can cast magic. In case of wizard/witch-born children, the ministry assumes that the parent will keep their children in check.
In case of the train, there are usually teachers or other witches/wizards on there.
2
Do you have any canon proof for the last-sentence conclusion? Let me quote the third book:This had only one occupant, a man sitting fast asleep next to the window. Harry, Ron, and Hermione checked on the threshold. The Hogwarts Express was usually reserved for students and they had never seen an adult there before, except for the witch who pushed the food cart.And then we can assume there is the driver. Other mentions I can recall are: Lupin(from the quote, PoA), and Slughorn(OoP). That is not that many for hundreds of students.
– quapka
Jun 10 '14 at 13:55
@Jonathan Hobbs The trace detects magic used near minors, not near muggles. I'll see if I can find the book passages explaining this.
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:08
@quapka No real cannon examples except the ones you gave. I think it is quite safe to assume that given the speed at which the train travels, it would be slightly harder to pinpoint the exact location, so they might assume it's the witch with the foodcart. (the trace detects magic near a minor, not the exact location - I'll see if I can find it, it's described somewhere in the books).
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:09
add a comment |
The trace is used to determine the usage of magic anywhere near a minor, not just magic from the minor specifically (which is also why Harry was blamed for Dobby using magic in book 2).
In case of Muggle-born children, it is quite easy to detect, since they are the only ones who can cast magic. In case of wizard/witch-born children, the ministry assumes that the parent will keep their children in check.
In case of the train, there are usually teachers or other witches/wizards on there.
2
Do you have any canon proof for the last-sentence conclusion? Let me quote the third book:This had only one occupant, a man sitting fast asleep next to the window. Harry, Ron, and Hermione checked on the threshold. The Hogwarts Express was usually reserved for students and they had never seen an adult there before, except for the witch who pushed the food cart.And then we can assume there is the driver. Other mentions I can recall are: Lupin(from the quote, PoA), and Slughorn(OoP). That is not that many for hundreds of students.
– quapka
Jun 10 '14 at 13:55
@Jonathan Hobbs The trace detects magic used near minors, not near muggles. I'll see if I can find the book passages explaining this.
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:08
@quapka No real cannon examples except the ones you gave. I think it is quite safe to assume that given the speed at which the train travels, it would be slightly harder to pinpoint the exact location, so they might assume it's the witch with the foodcart. (the trace detects magic near a minor, not the exact location - I'll see if I can find it, it's described somewhere in the books).
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:09
add a comment |
The trace is used to determine the usage of magic anywhere near a minor, not just magic from the minor specifically (which is also why Harry was blamed for Dobby using magic in book 2).
In case of Muggle-born children, it is quite easy to detect, since they are the only ones who can cast magic. In case of wizard/witch-born children, the ministry assumes that the parent will keep their children in check.
In case of the train, there are usually teachers or other witches/wizards on there.
The trace is used to determine the usage of magic anywhere near a minor, not just magic from the minor specifically (which is also why Harry was blamed for Dobby using magic in book 2).
In case of Muggle-born children, it is quite easy to detect, since they are the only ones who can cast magic. In case of wizard/witch-born children, the ministry assumes that the parent will keep their children in check.
In case of the train, there are usually teachers or other witches/wizards on there.
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answered Jun 10 '14 at 11:33
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Do you have any canon proof for the last-sentence conclusion? Let me quote the third book:This had only one occupant, a man sitting fast asleep next to the window. Harry, Ron, and Hermione checked on the threshold. The Hogwarts Express was usually reserved for students and they had never seen an adult there before, except for the witch who pushed the food cart.And then we can assume there is the driver. Other mentions I can recall are: Lupin(from the quote, PoA), and Slughorn(OoP). That is not that many for hundreds of students.
– quapka
Jun 10 '14 at 13:55
@Jonathan Hobbs The trace detects magic used near minors, not near muggles. I'll see if I can find the book passages explaining this.
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:08
@quapka No real cannon examples except the ones you gave. I think it is quite safe to assume that given the speed at which the train travels, it would be slightly harder to pinpoint the exact location, so they might assume it's the witch with the foodcart. (the trace detects magic near a minor, not the exact location - I'll see if I can find it, it's described somewhere in the books).
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:09
add a comment |
2
Do you have any canon proof for the last-sentence conclusion? Let me quote the third book:This had only one occupant, a man sitting fast asleep next to the window. Harry, Ron, and Hermione checked on the threshold. The Hogwarts Express was usually reserved for students and they had never seen an adult there before, except for the witch who pushed the food cart.And then we can assume there is the driver. Other mentions I can recall are: Lupin(from the quote, PoA), and Slughorn(OoP). That is not that many for hundreds of students.
– quapka
Jun 10 '14 at 13:55
@Jonathan Hobbs The trace detects magic used near minors, not near muggles. I'll see if I can find the book passages explaining this.
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:08
@quapka No real cannon examples except the ones you gave. I think it is quite safe to assume that given the speed at which the train travels, it would be slightly harder to pinpoint the exact location, so they might assume it's the witch with the foodcart. (the trace detects magic near a minor, not the exact location - I'll see if I can find it, it's described somewhere in the books).
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:09
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Do you have any canon proof for the last-sentence conclusion? Let me quote the third book:
This had only one occupant, a man sitting fast asleep next to the window. Harry, Ron, and Hermione checked on the threshold. The Hogwarts Express was usually reserved for students and they had never seen an adult there before, except for the witch who pushed the food cart. And then we can assume there is the driver. Other mentions I can recall are: Lupin(from the quote, PoA), and Slughorn(OoP). That is not that many for hundreds of students.– quapka
Jun 10 '14 at 13:55
Do you have any canon proof for the last-sentence conclusion? Let me quote the third book:
This had only one occupant, a man sitting fast asleep next to the window. Harry, Ron, and Hermione checked on the threshold. The Hogwarts Express was usually reserved for students and they had never seen an adult there before, except for the witch who pushed the food cart. And then we can assume there is the driver. Other mentions I can recall are: Lupin(from the quote, PoA), and Slughorn(OoP). That is not that many for hundreds of students.– quapka
Jun 10 '14 at 13:55
@Jonathan Hobbs The trace detects magic used near minors, not near muggles. I'll see if I can find the book passages explaining this.
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:08
@Jonathan Hobbs The trace detects magic used near minors, not near muggles. I'll see if I can find the book passages explaining this.
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:08
@quapka No real cannon examples except the ones you gave. I think it is quite safe to assume that given the speed at which the train travels, it would be slightly harder to pinpoint the exact location, so they might assume it's the witch with the foodcart. (the trace detects magic near a minor, not the exact location - I'll see if I can find it, it's described somewhere in the books).
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:09
@quapka No real cannon examples except the ones you gave. I think it is quite safe to assume that given the speed at which the train travels, it would be slightly harder to pinpoint the exact location, so they might assume it's the witch with the foodcart. (the trace detects magic near a minor, not the exact location - I'll see if I can find it, it's described somewhere in the books).
– Andreas
Jun 10 '14 at 14:09
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It is explicitly stated in the last chapter of Chamber of Secrets that magic is allowed on the train, and the ban does not take effect until the holidays begin (my emphasis):
Too soon, it was time for the journey home on the Hogwarts Express. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Fred, George, and Ginny got a compartment to themselves. They made the most of the last few hours in which they were allowed to do magic before the holidays. They played Exploding Snap, set off the very last of Fred and George's Filibuster fireworks, and practiced disarming each other by magic. Harry was getting very good at it.
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It is explicitly stated in the last chapter of Chamber of Secrets that magic is allowed on the train, and the ban does not take effect until the holidays begin (my emphasis):
Too soon, it was time for the journey home on the Hogwarts Express. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Fred, George, and Ginny got a compartment to themselves. They made the most of the last few hours in which they were allowed to do magic before the holidays. They played Exploding Snap, set off the very last of Fred and George's Filibuster fireworks, and practiced disarming each other by magic. Harry was getting very good at it.
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It is explicitly stated in the last chapter of Chamber of Secrets that magic is allowed on the train, and the ban does not take effect until the holidays begin (my emphasis):
Too soon, it was time for the journey home on the Hogwarts Express. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Fred, George, and Ginny got a compartment to themselves. They made the most of the last few hours in which they were allowed to do magic before the holidays. They played Exploding Snap, set off the very last of Fred and George's Filibuster fireworks, and practiced disarming each other by magic. Harry was getting very good at it.
It is explicitly stated in the last chapter of Chamber of Secrets that magic is allowed on the train, and the ban does not take effect until the holidays begin (my emphasis):
Too soon, it was time for the journey home on the Hogwarts Express. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Fred, George, and Ginny got a compartment to themselves. They made the most of the last few hours in which they were allowed to do magic before the holidays. They played Exploding Snap, set off the very last of Fred and George's Filibuster fireworks, and practiced disarming each other by magic. Harry was getting very good at it.
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Isn't the train itself magical though?
– Monty129
Jun 10 '14 at 13:56