Identical projects by students at two different colleges: still plagiarism?
Me and my friend are different colleges but VTU university. My friend has done the project and as well as me too. My query is our project are same to same no difference in any word. Does plagiarism still happens between us two saying that we have copied still we are different college but same university.
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Me and my friend are different colleges but VTU university. My friend has done the project and as well as me too. My query is our project are same to same no difference in any word. Does plagiarism still happens between us two saying that we have copied still we are different college but same university.
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Did either of you copy from the other? If you did the project independently of each other, and by coincidence they happen to be the same, that is not plagiarism, but depending on the circumstances you might find it hard to prove that it is not.
– Nate Eldredge
14 hours ago
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@NateEldredge Given "no difference in any word" it is very unlikely that the projects are independent.
– Nick S
13 hours ago
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@NickS: In general, yes, but there are situations where it could plausibly happen. So I wanted to hear from the OP directly rather than assuming.
– Nate Eldredge
8 hours ago
What are the situations where it could plausibly happen? Telepathy? The infinite monkey theorem?
– Federico Poloni
4 hours ago
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@FedericoPoloni It is very plausible. I remember as a student learning and using formulaic language. "Let X be the number of foos and Y be the number of bars." If the language is formulaic enough, then the prompt would not generate that many unique responses. Alternatively if one or a few responses can be seen as "correct" or "standard" then we would expect multiple students to independently come up with nearly identical answers.
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Me and my friend are different colleges but VTU university. My friend has done the project and as well as me too. My query is our project are same to same no difference in any word. Does plagiarism still happens between us two saying that we have copied still we are different college but same university.
university plagiarism
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Me and my friend are different colleges but VTU university. My friend has done the project and as well as me too. My query is our project are same to same no difference in any word. Does plagiarism still happens between us two saying that we have copied still we are different college but same university.
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Did either of you copy from the other? If you did the project independently of each other, and by coincidence they happen to be the same, that is not plagiarism, but depending on the circumstances you might find it hard to prove that it is not.
– Nate Eldredge
14 hours ago
29
@NateEldredge Given "no difference in any word" it is very unlikely that the projects are independent.
– Nick S
13 hours ago
1
@NickS: In general, yes, but there are situations where it could plausibly happen. So I wanted to hear from the OP directly rather than assuming.
– Nate Eldredge
8 hours ago
What are the situations where it could plausibly happen? Telepathy? The infinite monkey theorem?
– Federico Poloni
4 hours ago
1
@FedericoPoloni It is very plausible. I remember as a student learning and using formulaic language. "Let X be the number of foos and Y be the number of bars." If the language is formulaic enough, then the prompt would not generate that many unique responses. Alternatively if one or a few responses can be seen as "correct" or "standard" then we would expect multiple students to independently come up with nearly identical answers.
– emory
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Did either of you copy from the other? If you did the project independently of each other, and by coincidence they happen to be the same, that is not plagiarism, but depending on the circumstances you might find it hard to prove that it is not.
– Nate Eldredge
14 hours ago
29
@NateEldredge Given "no difference in any word" it is very unlikely that the projects are independent.
– Nick S
13 hours ago
1
@NickS: In general, yes, but there are situations where it could plausibly happen. So I wanted to hear from the OP directly rather than assuming.
– Nate Eldredge
8 hours ago
What are the situations where it could plausibly happen? Telepathy? The infinite monkey theorem?
– Federico Poloni
4 hours ago
1
@FedericoPoloni It is very plausible. I remember as a student learning and using formulaic language. "Let X be the number of foos and Y be the number of bars." If the language is formulaic enough, then the prompt would not generate that many unique responses. Alternatively if one or a few responses can be seen as "correct" or "standard" then we would expect multiple students to independently come up with nearly identical answers.
– emory
2 hours ago
12
12
Did either of you copy from the other? If you did the project independently of each other, and by coincidence they happen to be the same, that is not plagiarism, but depending on the circumstances you might find it hard to prove that it is not.
– Nate Eldredge
14 hours ago
Did either of you copy from the other? If you did the project independently of each other, and by coincidence they happen to be the same, that is not plagiarism, but depending on the circumstances you might find it hard to prove that it is not.
– Nate Eldredge
14 hours ago
29
29
@NateEldredge Given "no difference in any word" it is very unlikely that the projects are independent.
– Nick S
13 hours ago
@NateEldredge Given "no difference in any word" it is very unlikely that the projects are independent.
– Nick S
13 hours ago
1
1
@NickS: In general, yes, but there are situations where it could plausibly happen. So I wanted to hear from the OP directly rather than assuming.
– Nate Eldredge
8 hours ago
@NickS: In general, yes, but there are situations where it could plausibly happen. So I wanted to hear from the OP directly rather than assuming.
– Nate Eldredge
8 hours ago
What are the situations where it could plausibly happen? Telepathy? The infinite monkey theorem?
– Federico Poloni
4 hours ago
What are the situations where it could plausibly happen? Telepathy? The infinite monkey theorem?
– Federico Poloni
4 hours ago
1
1
@FedericoPoloni It is very plausible. I remember as a student learning and using formulaic language. "Let X be the number of foos and Y be the number of bars." If the language is formulaic enough, then the prompt would not generate that many unique responses. Alternatively if one or a few responses can be seen as "correct" or "standard" then we would expect multiple students to independently come up with nearly identical answers.
– emory
2 hours ago
@FedericoPoloni It is very plausible. I remember as a student learning and using formulaic language. "Let X be the number of foos and Y be the number of bars." If the language is formulaic enough, then the prompt would not generate that many unique responses. Alternatively if one or a few responses can be seen as "correct" or "standard" then we would expect multiple students to independently come up with nearly identical answers.
– emory
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The fact of being at different/same colleges or different/same universities has zero bearing on whether it is considered plagiarism or not.
If you submit a project that includes someone else's work, without making it clear what is your own work and what is not (and crediting the other contributor/s properly), this is plagiarism. This is true whether the other contributor is at the same college, same university, someone not in college at all, etc...
Even if it is the same person, but from another project. You have to cite that you are the author of this other section you quoted. You can't just randomly cut and paste your own stuff together if the sources are already published in another channel.
– Nelson
16 mins ago
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I'll assume that you worked together on the project, rather than just completely independently coming to the same place. That seems to be what you mean.
If you work on the project together and acknowledge the joint work then it probably isn't technically plagiarism. But it will almost certainly be considered as academic misconduct if you submit the same work to two different courses unless you make the faculty aware and get permission.
Note that you (a) have to list both authors on it and (b) get specific permission.
Whether it is permitted by the faculty or not is up to them. If the work is significant enough (more than one person is expected to do) then you have a better chance of getting accepted.
But if you submit two papers, identical, but each listing only one author, then it would be plagiarism. And also, separately, academic misconduct, but of a higher order.
3
Just to add why one would need permission: Likely, the rules of the course for which one submits the project say that the work has to be done by the student. And even if the rules do not explicitly say so, I find it to be the most reasonable assumption.
– Andrei
14 hours ago
3
@Andrei -- even if the work is done by one student, permission is usually required to submit the same work to two courses. The behavior is usually referred to as "multiple submission" - spcollege.libguides.com/…. I don't believe it is considered plagiarism (not sure on that), but it is double-dipping in terms of credit. When approached for permission, I specify that I need to see BOTH assignments, and I work out what the different focuses are in advance.
– Scott Seidman
11 hours ago
Working together on a project is one thing, submitting a document that is word-for-word identical is troublesome. The same research could still be used to produce two different papers.
– Chuck
11 hours ago
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I think the questioner is confounding the issue of getting caught for plagiarism (the two campuses issue) versus plagiarism (the semi-miraculous production of individual assignments by two friends).
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"semi-miraculous..." just plus 1 for that...
– Solar Mike
13 hours ago
1
Worth pointing out that they will probably be caught too. Plagiarism checks are not confined to one college.
– DJClayworth
13 hours ago
3
Right, this is similar to the naive legal questions one sees on forums once in a while - "Is it murder if I use this unorthodox method I came up with that I suspect will make the police's job harder?" The answer is always yes, the issue is that it might (or might not!) make you more likely to get caught. That doesn't change the underlying illegality of the act. Kill someone with a poison that simulates the medical effects of dying of old age and then breaks down into salt, water, and sugar - it's still murder.
– Robert Columbia
12 hours ago
@RobertColumbia Exactly what you said, the question comes down to "is plagiarism plagiarism?" I started a meta discussion on how happy we are with this type of questions: academia.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4436/4249
– penelope
11 hours ago
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This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
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YES.
If Assignment 2 for your class ABC321 at your college is the same as Assignment 5 of class DEF234 at a different one, submitting a copy of the solutions manual for DEF234 to your professor at your college as being your own work is considered cheating even if it came from another college.
If your friend and you receive the same assignment for different classes and you decide to split the work and copy off each other it's not different than the scenario stated above: it's plagiarism.
It doesn't matter who you copied from (solutions manual from a previous year or directly from your friend) or what the thing you copied was originally (submission for ABC321 or DEF234). Plagiarism is plagiarism.
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Publish the work first in both your names. Both of you would have co-copyright and original ownership of the text.
You may be breaking another rule in the class, but it's not plagiarism if you own the copyright - which you do already, but would solidify with publication.
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It's not plagiarism if you own the copyright is false. Plagiarism and copyright are orthogonal concerns; the former is an ethical concern about proper attribution, the latter is a legal concern about the right to reproduce a work, and you can violate either one without the other. (For example: if I hire someone to write a paper for me and sell me the copyright, and I then pass off the paper as my own work, I've committed plagiarism without any copyright violation.)
– ff524♦
3 hours ago
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The fact of being at different/same colleges or different/same universities has zero bearing on whether it is considered plagiarism or not.
If you submit a project that includes someone else's work, without making it clear what is your own work and what is not (and crediting the other contributor/s properly), this is plagiarism. This is true whether the other contributor is at the same college, same university, someone not in college at all, etc...
Even if it is the same person, but from another project. You have to cite that you are the author of this other section you quoted. You can't just randomly cut and paste your own stuff together if the sources are already published in another channel.
– Nelson
16 mins ago
add a comment |
The fact of being at different/same colleges or different/same universities has zero bearing on whether it is considered plagiarism or not.
If you submit a project that includes someone else's work, without making it clear what is your own work and what is not (and crediting the other contributor/s properly), this is plagiarism. This is true whether the other contributor is at the same college, same university, someone not in college at all, etc...
Even if it is the same person, but from another project. You have to cite that you are the author of this other section you quoted. You can't just randomly cut and paste your own stuff together if the sources are already published in another channel.
– Nelson
16 mins ago
add a comment |
The fact of being at different/same colleges or different/same universities has zero bearing on whether it is considered plagiarism or not.
If you submit a project that includes someone else's work, without making it clear what is your own work and what is not (and crediting the other contributor/s properly), this is plagiarism. This is true whether the other contributor is at the same college, same university, someone not in college at all, etc...
The fact of being at different/same colleges or different/same universities has zero bearing on whether it is considered plagiarism or not.
If you submit a project that includes someone else's work, without making it clear what is your own work and what is not (and crediting the other contributor/s properly), this is plagiarism. This is true whether the other contributor is at the same college, same university, someone not in college at all, etc...
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Even if it is the same person, but from another project. You have to cite that you are the author of this other section you quoted. You can't just randomly cut and paste your own stuff together if the sources are already published in another channel.
– Nelson
16 mins ago
add a comment |
Even if it is the same person, but from another project. You have to cite that you are the author of this other section you quoted. You can't just randomly cut and paste your own stuff together if the sources are already published in another channel.
– Nelson
16 mins ago
Even if it is the same person, but from another project. You have to cite that you are the author of this other section you quoted. You can't just randomly cut and paste your own stuff together if the sources are already published in another channel.
– Nelson
16 mins ago
Even if it is the same person, but from another project. You have to cite that you are the author of this other section you quoted. You can't just randomly cut and paste your own stuff together if the sources are already published in another channel.
– Nelson
16 mins ago
add a comment |
I'll assume that you worked together on the project, rather than just completely independently coming to the same place. That seems to be what you mean.
If you work on the project together and acknowledge the joint work then it probably isn't technically plagiarism. But it will almost certainly be considered as academic misconduct if you submit the same work to two different courses unless you make the faculty aware and get permission.
Note that you (a) have to list both authors on it and (b) get specific permission.
Whether it is permitted by the faculty or not is up to them. If the work is significant enough (more than one person is expected to do) then you have a better chance of getting accepted.
But if you submit two papers, identical, but each listing only one author, then it would be plagiarism. And also, separately, academic misconduct, but of a higher order.
3
Just to add why one would need permission: Likely, the rules of the course for which one submits the project say that the work has to be done by the student. And even if the rules do not explicitly say so, I find it to be the most reasonable assumption.
– Andrei
14 hours ago
3
@Andrei -- even if the work is done by one student, permission is usually required to submit the same work to two courses. The behavior is usually referred to as "multiple submission" - spcollege.libguides.com/…. I don't believe it is considered plagiarism (not sure on that), but it is double-dipping in terms of credit. When approached for permission, I specify that I need to see BOTH assignments, and I work out what the different focuses are in advance.
– Scott Seidman
11 hours ago
Working together on a project is one thing, submitting a document that is word-for-word identical is troublesome. The same research could still be used to produce two different papers.
– Chuck
11 hours ago
add a comment |
I'll assume that you worked together on the project, rather than just completely independently coming to the same place. That seems to be what you mean.
If you work on the project together and acknowledge the joint work then it probably isn't technically plagiarism. But it will almost certainly be considered as academic misconduct if you submit the same work to two different courses unless you make the faculty aware and get permission.
Note that you (a) have to list both authors on it and (b) get specific permission.
Whether it is permitted by the faculty or not is up to them. If the work is significant enough (more than one person is expected to do) then you have a better chance of getting accepted.
But if you submit two papers, identical, but each listing only one author, then it would be plagiarism. And also, separately, academic misconduct, but of a higher order.
3
Just to add why one would need permission: Likely, the rules of the course for which one submits the project say that the work has to be done by the student. And even if the rules do not explicitly say so, I find it to be the most reasonable assumption.
– Andrei
14 hours ago
3
@Andrei -- even if the work is done by one student, permission is usually required to submit the same work to two courses. The behavior is usually referred to as "multiple submission" - spcollege.libguides.com/…. I don't believe it is considered plagiarism (not sure on that), but it is double-dipping in terms of credit. When approached for permission, I specify that I need to see BOTH assignments, and I work out what the different focuses are in advance.
– Scott Seidman
11 hours ago
Working together on a project is one thing, submitting a document that is word-for-word identical is troublesome. The same research could still be used to produce two different papers.
– Chuck
11 hours ago
add a comment |
I'll assume that you worked together on the project, rather than just completely independently coming to the same place. That seems to be what you mean.
If you work on the project together and acknowledge the joint work then it probably isn't technically plagiarism. But it will almost certainly be considered as academic misconduct if you submit the same work to two different courses unless you make the faculty aware and get permission.
Note that you (a) have to list both authors on it and (b) get specific permission.
Whether it is permitted by the faculty or not is up to them. If the work is significant enough (more than one person is expected to do) then you have a better chance of getting accepted.
But if you submit two papers, identical, but each listing only one author, then it would be plagiarism. And also, separately, academic misconduct, but of a higher order.
I'll assume that you worked together on the project, rather than just completely independently coming to the same place. That seems to be what you mean.
If you work on the project together and acknowledge the joint work then it probably isn't technically plagiarism. But it will almost certainly be considered as academic misconduct if you submit the same work to two different courses unless you make the faculty aware and get permission.
Note that you (a) have to list both authors on it and (b) get specific permission.
Whether it is permitted by the faculty or not is up to them. If the work is significant enough (more than one person is expected to do) then you have a better chance of getting accepted.
But if you submit two papers, identical, but each listing only one author, then it would be plagiarism. And also, separately, academic misconduct, but of a higher order.
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Just to add why one would need permission: Likely, the rules of the course for which one submits the project say that the work has to be done by the student. And even if the rules do not explicitly say so, I find it to be the most reasonable assumption.
– Andrei
14 hours ago
3
@Andrei -- even if the work is done by one student, permission is usually required to submit the same work to two courses. The behavior is usually referred to as "multiple submission" - spcollege.libguides.com/…. I don't believe it is considered plagiarism (not sure on that), but it is double-dipping in terms of credit. When approached for permission, I specify that I need to see BOTH assignments, and I work out what the different focuses are in advance.
– Scott Seidman
11 hours ago
Working together on a project is one thing, submitting a document that is word-for-word identical is troublesome. The same research could still be used to produce two different papers.
– Chuck
11 hours ago
add a comment |
3
Just to add why one would need permission: Likely, the rules of the course for which one submits the project say that the work has to be done by the student. And even if the rules do not explicitly say so, I find it to be the most reasonable assumption.
– Andrei
14 hours ago
3
@Andrei -- even if the work is done by one student, permission is usually required to submit the same work to two courses. The behavior is usually referred to as "multiple submission" - spcollege.libguides.com/…. I don't believe it is considered plagiarism (not sure on that), but it is double-dipping in terms of credit. When approached for permission, I specify that I need to see BOTH assignments, and I work out what the different focuses are in advance.
– Scott Seidman
11 hours ago
Working together on a project is one thing, submitting a document that is word-for-word identical is troublesome. The same research could still be used to produce two different papers.
– Chuck
11 hours ago
3
3
Just to add why one would need permission: Likely, the rules of the course for which one submits the project say that the work has to be done by the student. And even if the rules do not explicitly say so, I find it to be the most reasonable assumption.
– Andrei
14 hours ago
Just to add why one would need permission: Likely, the rules of the course for which one submits the project say that the work has to be done by the student. And even if the rules do not explicitly say so, I find it to be the most reasonable assumption.
– Andrei
14 hours ago
3
3
@Andrei -- even if the work is done by one student, permission is usually required to submit the same work to two courses. The behavior is usually referred to as "multiple submission" - spcollege.libguides.com/…. I don't believe it is considered plagiarism (not sure on that), but it is double-dipping in terms of credit. When approached for permission, I specify that I need to see BOTH assignments, and I work out what the different focuses are in advance.
– Scott Seidman
11 hours ago
@Andrei -- even if the work is done by one student, permission is usually required to submit the same work to two courses. The behavior is usually referred to as "multiple submission" - spcollege.libguides.com/…. I don't believe it is considered plagiarism (not sure on that), but it is double-dipping in terms of credit. When approached for permission, I specify that I need to see BOTH assignments, and I work out what the different focuses are in advance.
– Scott Seidman
11 hours ago
Working together on a project is one thing, submitting a document that is word-for-word identical is troublesome. The same research could still be used to produce two different papers.
– Chuck
11 hours ago
Working together on a project is one thing, submitting a document that is word-for-word identical is troublesome. The same research could still be used to produce two different papers.
– Chuck
11 hours ago
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I think the questioner is confounding the issue of getting caught for plagiarism (the two campuses issue) versus plagiarism (the semi-miraculous production of individual assignments by two friends).
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"semi-miraculous..." just plus 1 for that...
– Solar Mike
13 hours ago
1
Worth pointing out that they will probably be caught too. Plagiarism checks are not confined to one college.
– DJClayworth
13 hours ago
3
Right, this is similar to the naive legal questions one sees on forums once in a while - "Is it murder if I use this unorthodox method I came up with that I suspect will make the police's job harder?" The answer is always yes, the issue is that it might (or might not!) make you more likely to get caught. That doesn't change the underlying illegality of the act. Kill someone with a poison that simulates the medical effects of dying of old age and then breaks down into salt, water, and sugar - it's still murder.
– Robert Columbia
12 hours ago
@RobertColumbia Exactly what you said, the question comes down to "is plagiarism plagiarism?" I started a meta discussion on how happy we are with this type of questions: academia.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4436/4249
– penelope
11 hours ago
2
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– FuzzyLeapfrog
11 hours ago
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I think the questioner is confounding the issue of getting caught for plagiarism (the two campuses issue) versus plagiarism (the semi-miraculous production of individual assignments by two friends).
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"semi-miraculous..." just plus 1 for that...
– Solar Mike
13 hours ago
1
Worth pointing out that they will probably be caught too. Plagiarism checks are not confined to one college.
– DJClayworth
13 hours ago
3
Right, this is similar to the naive legal questions one sees on forums once in a while - "Is it murder if I use this unorthodox method I came up with that I suspect will make the police's job harder?" The answer is always yes, the issue is that it might (or might not!) make you more likely to get caught. That doesn't change the underlying illegality of the act. Kill someone with a poison that simulates the medical effects of dying of old age and then breaks down into salt, water, and sugar - it's still murder.
– Robert Columbia
12 hours ago
@RobertColumbia Exactly what you said, the question comes down to "is plagiarism plagiarism?" I started a meta discussion on how happy we are with this type of questions: academia.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4436/4249
– penelope
11 hours ago
2
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– FuzzyLeapfrog
11 hours ago
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I think the questioner is confounding the issue of getting caught for plagiarism (the two campuses issue) versus plagiarism (the semi-miraculous production of individual assignments by two friends).
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I think the questioner is confounding the issue of getting caught for plagiarism (the two campuses issue) versus plagiarism (the semi-miraculous production of individual assignments by two friends).
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"semi-miraculous..." just plus 1 for that...
– Solar Mike
13 hours ago
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Worth pointing out that they will probably be caught too. Plagiarism checks are not confined to one college.
– DJClayworth
13 hours ago
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Right, this is similar to the naive legal questions one sees on forums once in a while - "Is it murder if I use this unorthodox method I came up with that I suspect will make the police's job harder?" The answer is always yes, the issue is that it might (or might not!) make you more likely to get caught. That doesn't change the underlying illegality of the act. Kill someone with a poison that simulates the medical effects of dying of old age and then breaks down into salt, water, and sugar - it's still murder.
– Robert Columbia
12 hours ago
@RobertColumbia Exactly what you said, the question comes down to "is plagiarism plagiarism?" I started a meta discussion on how happy we are with this type of questions: academia.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4436/4249
– penelope
11 hours ago
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This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
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11 hours ago
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"semi-miraculous..." just plus 1 for that...
– Solar Mike
13 hours ago
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Worth pointing out that they will probably be caught too. Plagiarism checks are not confined to one college.
– DJClayworth
13 hours ago
3
Right, this is similar to the naive legal questions one sees on forums once in a while - "Is it murder if I use this unorthodox method I came up with that I suspect will make the police's job harder?" The answer is always yes, the issue is that it might (or might not!) make you more likely to get caught. That doesn't change the underlying illegality of the act. Kill someone with a poison that simulates the medical effects of dying of old age and then breaks down into salt, water, and sugar - it's still murder.
– Robert Columbia
12 hours ago
@RobertColumbia Exactly what you said, the question comes down to "is plagiarism plagiarism?" I started a meta discussion on how happy we are with this type of questions: academia.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4436/4249
– penelope
11 hours ago
2
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– FuzzyLeapfrog
11 hours ago
2
2
"semi-miraculous..." just plus 1 for that...
– Solar Mike
13 hours ago
"semi-miraculous..." just plus 1 for that...
– Solar Mike
13 hours ago
1
1
Worth pointing out that they will probably be caught too. Plagiarism checks are not confined to one college.
– DJClayworth
13 hours ago
Worth pointing out that they will probably be caught too. Plagiarism checks are not confined to one college.
– DJClayworth
13 hours ago
3
3
Right, this is similar to the naive legal questions one sees on forums once in a while - "Is it murder if I use this unorthodox method I came up with that I suspect will make the police's job harder?" The answer is always yes, the issue is that it might (or might not!) make you more likely to get caught. That doesn't change the underlying illegality of the act. Kill someone with a poison that simulates the medical effects of dying of old age and then breaks down into salt, water, and sugar - it's still murder.
– Robert Columbia
12 hours ago
Right, this is similar to the naive legal questions one sees on forums once in a while - "Is it murder if I use this unorthodox method I came up with that I suspect will make the police's job harder?" The answer is always yes, the issue is that it might (or might not!) make you more likely to get caught. That doesn't change the underlying illegality of the act. Kill someone with a poison that simulates the medical effects of dying of old age and then breaks down into salt, water, and sugar - it's still murder.
– Robert Columbia
12 hours ago
@RobertColumbia Exactly what you said, the question comes down to "is plagiarism plagiarism?" I started a meta discussion on how happy we are with this type of questions: academia.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4436/4249
– penelope
11 hours ago
@RobertColumbia Exactly what you said, the question comes down to "is plagiarism plagiarism?" I started a meta discussion on how happy we are with this type of questions: academia.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4436/4249
– penelope
11 hours ago
2
2
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– FuzzyLeapfrog
11 hours ago
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– FuzzyLeapfrog
11 hours ago
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YES.
If Assignment 2 for your class ABC321 at your college is the same as Assignment 5 of class DEF234 at a different one, submitting a copy of the solutions manual for DEF234 to your professor at your college as being your own work is considered cheating even if it came from another college.
If your friend and you receive the same assignment for different classes and you decide to split the work and copy off each other it's not different than the scenario stated above: it's plagiarism.
It doesn't matter who you copied from (solutions manual from a previous year or directly from your friend) or what the thing you copied was originally (submission for ABC321 or DEF234). Plagiarism is plagiarism.
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YES.
If Assignment 2 for your class ABC321 at your college is the same as Assignment 5 of class DEF234 at a different one, submitting a copy of the solutions manual for DEF234 to your professor at your college as being your own work is considered cheating even if it came from another college.
If your friend and you receive the same assignment for different classes and you decide to split the work and copy off each other it's not different than the scenario stated above: it's plagiarism.
It doesn't matter who you copied from (solutions manual from a previous year or directly from your friend) or what the thing you copied was originally (submission for ABC321 or DEF234). Plagiarism is plagiarism.
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YES.
If Assignment 2 for your class ABC321 at your college is the same as Assignment 5 of class DEF234 at a different one, submitting a copy of the solutions manual for DEF234 to your professor at your college as being your own work is considered cheating even if it came from another college.
If your friend and you receive the same assignment for different classes and you decide to split the work and copy off each other it's not different than the scenario stated above: it's plagiarism.
It doesn't matter who you copied from (solutions manual from a previous year or directly from your friend) or what the thing you copied was originally (submission for ABC321 or DEF234). Plagiarism is plagiarism.
YES.
If Assignment 2 for your class ABC321 at your college is the same as Assignment 5 of class DEF234 at a different one, submitting a copy of the solutions manual for DEF234 to your professor at your college as being your own work is considered cheating even if it came from another college.
If your friend and you receive the same assignment for different classes and you decide to split the work and copy off each other it's not different than the scenario stated above: it's plagiarism.
It doesn't matter who you copied from (solutions manual from a previous year or directly from your friend) or what the thing you copied was originally (submission for ABC321 or DEF234). Plagiarism is plagiarism.
answered 10 hours ago
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Publish the work first in both your names. Both of you would have co-copyright and original ownership of the text.
You may be breaking another rule in the class, but it's not plagiarism if you own the copyright - which you do already, but would solidify with publication.
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It's not plagiarism if you own the copyright is false. Plagiarism and copyright are orthogonal concerns; the former is an ethical concern about proper attribution, the latter is a legal concern about the right to reproduce a work, and you can violate either one without the other. (For example: if I hire someone to write a paper for me and sell me the copyright, and I then pass off the paper as my own work, I've committed plagiarism without any copyright violation.)
– ff524♦
3 hours ago
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Publish the work first in both your names. Both of you would have co-copyright and original ownership of the text.
You may be breaking another rule in the class, but it's not plagiarism if you own the copyright - which you do already, but would solidify with publication.
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It's not plagiarism if you own the copyright is false. Plagiarism and copyright are orthogonal concerns; the former is an ethical concern about proper attribution, the latter is a legal concern about the right to reproduce a work, and you can violate either one without the other. (For example: if I hire someone to write a paper for me and sell me the copyright, and I then pass off the paper as my own work, I've committed plagiarism without any copyright violation.)
– ff524♦
3 hours ago
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Publish the work first in both your names. Both of you would have co-copyright and original ownership of the text.
You may be breaking another rule in the class, but it's not plagiarism if you own the copyright - which you do already, but would solidify with publication.
New contributor
Publish the work first in both your names. Both of you would have co-copyright and original ownership of the text.
You may be breaking another rule in the class, but it's not plagiarism if you own the copyright - which you do already, but would solidify with publication.
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It's not plagiarism if you own the copyright is false. Plagiarism and copyright are orthogonal concerns; the former is an ethical concern about proper attribution, the latter is a legal concern about the right to reproduce a work, and you can violate either one without the other. (For example: if I hire someone to write a paper for me and sell me the copyright, and I then pass off the paper as my own work, I've committed plagiarism without any copyright violation.)
– ff524♦
3 hours ago
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It's not plagiarism if you own the copyright is false. Plagiarism and copyright are orthogonal concerns; the former is an ethical concern about proper attribution, the latter is a legal concern about the right to reproduce a work, and you can violate either one without the other. (For example: if I hire someone to write a paper for me and sell me the copyright, and I then pass off the paper as my own work, I've committed plagiarism without any copyright violation.)
– ff524♦
3 hours ago
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5
It's not plagiarism if you own the copyright is false. Plagiarism and copyright are orthogonal concerns; the former is an ethical concern about proper attribution, the latter is a legal concern about the right to reproduce a work, and you can violate either one without the other. (For example: if I hire someone to write a paper for me and sell me the copyright, and I then pass off the paper as my own work, I've committed plagiarism without any copyright violation.)
– ff524♦
3 hours ago
It's not plagiarism if you own the copyright is false. Plagiarism and copyright are orthogonal concerns; the former is an ethical concern about proper attribution, the latter is a legal concern about the right to reproduce a work, and you can violate either one without the other. (For example: if I hire someone to write a paper for me and sell me the copyright, and I then pass off the paper as my own work, I've committed plagiarism without any copyright violation.)
– ff524♦
3 hours ago
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Did either of you copy from the other? If you did the project independently of each other, and by coincidence they happen to be the same, that is not plagiarism, but depending on the circumstances you might find it hard to prove that it is not.
– Nate Eldredge
14 hours ago
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@NateEldredge Given "no difference in any word" it is very unlikely that the projects are independent.
– Nick S
13 hours ago
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@NickS: In general, yes, but there are situations where it could plausibly happen. So I wanted to hear from the OP directly rather than assuming.
– Nate Eldredge
8 hours ago
What are the situations where it could plausibly happen? Telepathy? The infinite monkey theorem?
– Federico Poloni
4 hours ago
1
@FedericoPoloni It is very plausible. I remember as a student learning and using formulaic language. "Let X be the number of foos and Y be the number of bars." If the language is formulaic enough, then the prompt would not generate that many unique responses. Alternatively if one or a few responses can be seen as "correct" or "standard" then we would expect multiple students to independently come up with nearly identical answers.
– emory
2 hours ago