If you're falling because of ball bearings, do you automatically land on caltrops in the same space?












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If a creature had to make both saving throws for ball bearings and caltrops, and failed the ball bearings - Would they automatically fall prone & land on the caltrops, taking caltrop damage with no chance for a caltrops saving throw (or regardless of a passed caltrops saving throw)?




Inspired by this answer to this question If an area is covered in both Ball Bearings and Caltrops, does the creature need to move at half speed or quarter speed to avoid both their effects? where it's mentioned:




Note that if the creature chose to move greater than half their speed across the combined area then they would be forced to make both saving throws, one against the ball bearings and one against the caltrops, possibly suffering one effect or the other effect or both effects combined.







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    If a creature had to make both saving throws for ball bearings and caltrops, and failed the ball bearings - Would they automatically fall prone & land on the caltrops, taking caltrop damage with no chance for a caltrops saving throw (or regardless of a passed caltrops saving throw)?




    Inspired by this answer to this question If an area is covered in both Ball Bearings and Caltrops, does the creature need to move at half speed or quarter speed to avoid both their effects? where it's mentioned:




    Note that if the creature chose to move greater than half their speed across the combined area then they would be forced to make both saving throws, one against the ball bearings and one against the caltrops, possibly suffering one effect or the other effect or both effects combined.







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      If a creature had to make both saving throws for ball bearings and caltrops, and failed the ball bearings - Would they automatically fall prone & land on the caltrops, taking caltrop damage with no chance for a caltrops saving throw (or regardless of a passed caltrops saving throw)?




      Inspired by this answer to this question If an area is covered in both Ball Bearings and Caltrops, does the creature need to move at half speed or quarter speed to avoid both their effects? where it's mentioned:




      Note that if the creature chose to move greater than half their speed across the combined area then they would be forced to make both saving throws, one against the ball bearings and one against the caltrops, possibly suffering one effect or the other effect or both effects combined.







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      If a creature had to make both saving throws for ball bearings and caltrops, and failed the ball bearings - Would they automatically fall prone & land on the caltrops, taking caltrop damage with no chance for a caltrops saving throw (or regardless of a passed caltrops saving throw)?




      Inspired by this answer to this question If an area is covered in both Ball Bearings and Caltrops, does the creature need to move at half speed or quarter speed to avoid both their effects? where it's mentioned:




      Note that if the creature chose to move greater than half their speed across the combined area then they would be forced to make both saving throws, one against the ball bearings and one against the caltrops, possibly suffering one effect or the other effect or both effects combined.







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          There is nothing in the rules to suggest you do.



          A DM is free to impose disadvantage on either (or both) saving throws if circumstances warrant - perhaps they do?






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            +1, nothing to see in description of ball bearings, caltrops, or falling prone. By the way, is there any guideline in which order creature makes saves? Because failed caltrops save stops creature, and it is no longer moving in area covered by balls.
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            @Mołot That sounds worth asking as a new question.
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            @doppelgreener maybe you're right
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            Is there anything in the rules to suggest that you don't? If not, why is the answer "no" instead of "yes"?
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            @MarkWells because the assumption is that things do what the rules say they do. Ball bearings don’t say you can’t fly if you carry them either.
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          There is nothing in the rules to suggest you do.



          A DM is free to impose disadvantage on either (or both) saving throws if circumstances warrant - perhaps they do?






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            +1, nothing to see in description of ball bearings, caltrops, or falling prone. By the way, is there any guideline in which order creature makes saves? Because failed caltrops save stops creature, and it is no longer moving in area covered by balls.
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            @Mołot That sounds worth asking as a new question.
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            @doppelgreener maybe you're right
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            – Mołot
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            Is there anything in the rules to suggest that you don't? If not, why is the answer "no" instead of "yes"?
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            – Mark Wells
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            @MarkWells because the assumption is that things do what the rules say they do. Ball bearings don’t say you can’t fly if you carry them either.
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            – Dale M
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          There is nothing in the rules to suggest you do.



          A DM is free to impose disadvantage on either (or both) saving throws if circumstances warrant - perhaps they do?






          share|improve this answer









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            $begingroup$
            +1, nothing to see in description of ball bearings, caltrops, or falling prone. By the way, is there any guideline in which order creature makes saves? Because failed caltrops save stops creature, and it is no longer moving in area covered by balls.
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            – Mołot
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            $begingroup$
            @Mołot That sounds worth asking as a new question.
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            – doppelgreener♦
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            @doppelgreener maybe you're right
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            – Mołot
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          • $begingroup$
            Is there anything in the rules to suggest that you don't? If not, why is the answer "no" instead of "yes"?
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            – Mark Wells
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            @MarkWells because the assumption is that things do what the rules say they do. Ball bearings don’t say you can’t fly if you carry them either.
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            – Dale M
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          There is nothing in the rules to suggest you do.



          A DM is free to impose disadvantage on either (or both) saving throws if circumstances warrant - perhaps they do?






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          There is nothing in the rules to suggest you do.



          A DM is free to impose disadvantage on either (or both) saving throws if circumstances warrant - perhaps they do?







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            +1, nothing to see in description of ball bearings, caltrops, or falling prone. By the way, is there any guideline in which order creature makes saves? Because failed caltrops save stops creature, and it is no longer moving in area covered by balls.
            $endgroup$
            – Mołot
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            $begingroup$
            @Mołot That sounds worth asking as a new question.
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            – doppelgreener♦
            13 hours ago






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            $begingroup$
            @doppelgreener maybe you're right
            $endgroup$
            – Mołot
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          • $begingroup$
            Is there anything in the rules to suggest that you don't? If not, why is the answer "no" instead of "yes"?
            $endgroup$
            – Mark Wells
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          • $begingroup$
            @MarkWells because the assumption is that things do what the rules say they do. Ball bearings don’t say you can’t fly if you carry them either.
            $endgroup$
            – Dale M
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          • 2




            $begingroup$
            +1, nothing to see in description of ball bearings, caltrops, or falling prone. By the way, is there any guideline in which order creature makes saves? Because failed caltrops save stops creature, and it is no longer moving in area covered by balls.
            $endgroup$
            – Mołot
            15 hours ago






          • 2




            $begingroup$
            @Mołot That sounds worth asking as a new question.
            $endgroup$
            – doppelgreener♦
            13 hours ago






          • 2




            $begingroup$
            @doppelgreener maybe you're right
            $endgroup$
            – Mołot
            13 hours ago










          • $begingroup$
            Is there anything in the rules to suggest that you don't? If not, why is the answer "no" instead of "yes"?
            $endgroup$
            – Mark Wells
            2 hours ago










          • $begingroup$
            @MarkWells because the assumption is that things do what the rules say they do. Ball bearings don’t say you can’t fly if you carry them either.
            $endgroup$
            – Dale M
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          $begingroup$
          +1, nothing to see in description of ball bearings, caltrops, or falling prone. By the way, is there any guideline in which order creature makes saves? Because failed caltrops save stops creature, and it is no longer moving in area covered by balls.
          $endgroup$
          – Mołot
          15 hours ago




          $begingroup$
          +1, nothing to see in description of ball bearings, caltrops, or falling prone. By the way, is there any guideline in which order creature makes saves? Because failed caltrops save stops creature, and it is no longer moving in area covered by balls.
          $endgroup$
          – Mołot
          15 hours ago




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          @Mołot That sounds worth asking as a new question.
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          – doppelgreener♦
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          $begingroup$
          @Mołot That sounds worth asking as a new question.
          $endgroup$
          – doppelgreener♦
          13 hours ago




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          $begingroup$
          @doppelgreener maybe you're right
          $endgroup$
          – Mołot
          13 hours ago




          $begingroup$
          @doppelgreener maybe you're right
          $endgroup$
          – Mołot
          13 hours ago












          $begingroup$
          Is there anything in the rules to suggest that you don't? If not, why is the answer "no" instead of "yes"?
          $endgroup$
          – Mark Wells
          2 hours ago




          $begingroup$
          Is there anything in the rules to suggest that you don't? If not, why is the answer "no" instead of "yes"?
          $endgroup$
          – Mark Wells
          2 hours ago












          $begingroup$
          @MarkWells because the assumption is that things do what the rules say they do. Ball bearings don’t say you can’t fly if you carry them either.
          $endgroup$
          – Dale M
          36 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          @MarkWells because the assumption is that things do what the rules say they do. Ball bearings don’t say you can’t fly if you carry them either.
          $endgroup$
          – Dale M
          36 mins ago


















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