Workplace intimidation due to child's chronic health condition
My son has a chronic health condition. I was previously on intermittent FMLA but the company was recently acquired by a different company. When I approached HR about applying for FMLA, she asked if there was some way I could agree to an arrangement with my boss, like on the days I need to leave early to take my child to PT, Dr appointments, etc, could I skip lunch or stay late another day.
I was able to come up with such an agreement with my boss. However, recently we found out that along with his existing condition he also has a heart condition. I took off a day to take him to the cardiologist and upon returning to work, I was told by my supervisor to "watch my time" and that "complaints were made" by other employees. I came to find out that rather than being a complaint, someone was literally just asking where I was that day. I was so stressed out that week and upset as it was, and this just felt like my boss making a mountain of a mole hill to discourage me from taking more time off to deal with my son's health problems.
It feels very much like intimidation to me. How should i address this with my manager?
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My son has a chronic health condition. I was previously on intermittent FMLA but the company was recently acquired by a different company. When I approached HR about applying for FMLA, she asked if there was some way I could agree to an arrangement with my boss, like on the days I need to leave early to take my child to PT, Dr appointments, etc, could I skip lunch or stay late another day.
I was able to come up with such an agreement with my boss. However, recently we found out that along with his existing condition he also has a heart condition. I took off a day to take him to the cardiologist and upon returning to work, I was told by my supervisor to "watch my time" and that "complaints were made" by other employees. I came to find out that rather than being a complaint, someone was literally just asking where I was that day. I was so stressed out that week and upset as it was, and this just felt like my boss making a mountain of a mole hill to discourage me from taking more time off to deal with my son's health problems.
It feels very much like intimidation to me. How should i address this with my manager?
united-states stress
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Sorry you're going through this! Sometimes the best option is to find another company that's more supportive. At my company, my group's big on taking the time you need to take care of yourself and your loved one!
– jcmack
12 hours ago
1
Did you tell your supervisor beforehand that you were taking the day off, and why? If not, your co-workers and manager had every right to wonder why you weren't at work that day. (It's not obvious from your post whether your boss, manager, and supervisor are one, two or three different people, BTW)
– alephzero
12 hours ago
2
@ChrisMelville, Family Medical Leave Act-- It's a law in the USA that allows employees to take some leave from work if they have to temporarily attend to the medical needs of family (or themselves). The law has many conditions, but the intent is to keep employers threatening the employment of workers that are caregivers to immediate family. In the US, medical insurance is effectively tied to one's employment, so losing a job could mean loss of medical insurance for oneself and dependents.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
2
It's not clear to me whether your boss who came to the agreement, is the same person as your supervisor who told you to watch your time, or if that's the same person as your manager who you need to address this with. Are they one person, two people, or three people, and if so, do they all officially know about your agreement and that it's approved? If you took a day off, and your agreement is to make the time up in other ways so you aren't working less, what is your supervisor's problem with it now?
– TessellatingHeckler
10 hours ago
2
One option.... I had a baby and found work that enables me to spend most of my time at home rather than expect my old job to make provision for my personal issues. Actually I did this several babies ago.
– Kilisi
5 hours ago
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My son has a chronic health condition. I was previously on intermittent FMLA but the company was recently acquired by a different company. When I approached HR about applying for FMLA, she asked if there was some way I could agree to an arrangement with my boss, like on the days I need to leave early to take my child to PT, Dr appointments, etc, could I skip lunch or stay late another day.
I was able to come up with such an agreement with my boss. However, recently we found out that along with his existing condition he also has a heart condition. I took off a day to take him to the cardiologist and upon returning to work, I was told by my supervisor to "watch my time" and that "complaints were made" by other employees. I came to find out that rather than being a complaint, someone was literally just asking where I was that day. I was so stressed out that week and upset as it was, and this just felt like my boss making a mountain of a mole hill to discourage me from taking more time off to deal with my son's health problems.
It feels very much like intimidation to me. How should i address this with my manager?
united-states stress
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My son has a chronic health condition. I was previously on intermittent FMLA but the company was recently acquired by a different company. When I approached HR about applying for FMLA, she asked if there was some way I could agree to an arrangement with my boss, like on the days I need to leave early to take my child to PT, Dr appointments, etc, could I skip lunch or stay late another day.
I was able to come up with such an agreement with my boss. However, recently we found out that along with his existing condition he also has a heart condition. I took off a day to take him to the cardiologist and upon returning to work, I was told by my supervisor to "watch my time" and that "complaints were made" by other employees. I came to find out that rather than being a complaint, someone was literally just asking where I was that day. I was so stressed out that week and upset as it was, and this just felt like my boss making a mountain of a mole hill to discourage me from taking more time off to deal with my son's health problems.
It feels very much like intimidation to me. How should i address this with my manager?
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Sorry you're going through this! Sometimes the best option is to find another company that's more supportive. At my company, my group's big on taking the time you need to take care of yourself and your loved one!
– jcmack
12 hours ago
1
Did you tell your supervisor beforehand that you were taking the day off, and why? If not, your co-workers and manager had every right to wonder why you weren't at work that day. (It's not obvious from your post whether your boss, manager, and supervisor are one, two or three different people, BTW)
– alephzero
12 hours ago
2
@ChrisMelville, Family Medical Leave Act-- It's a law in the USA that allows employees to take some leave from work if they have to temporarily attend to the medical needs of family (or themselves). The law has many conditions, but the intent is to keep employers threatening the employment of workers that are caregivers to immediate family. In the US, medical insurance is effectively tied to one's employment, so losing a job could mean loss of medical insurance for oneself and dependents.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
2
It's not clear to me whether your boss who came to the agreement, is the same person as your supervisor who told you to watch your time, or if that's the same person as your manager who you need to address this with. Are they one person, two people, or three people, and if so, do they all officially know about your agreement and that it's approved? If you took a day off, and your agreement is to make the time up in other ways so you aren't working less, what is your supervisor's problem with it now?
– TessellatingHeckler
10 hours ago
2
One option.... I had a baby and found work that enables me to spend most of my time at home rather than expect my old job to make provision for my personal issues. Actually I did this several babies ago.
– Kilisi
5 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
1
Sorry you're going through this! Sometimes the best option is to find another company that's more supportive. At my company, my group's big on taking the time you need to take care of yourself and your loved one!
– jcmack
12 hours ago
1
Did you tell your supervisor beforehand that you were taking the day off, and why? If not, your co-workers and manager had every right to wonder why you weren't at work that day. (It's not obvious from your post whether your boss, manager, and supervisor are one, two or three different people, BTW)
– alephzero
12 hours ago
2
@ChrisMelville, Family Medical Leave Act-- It's a law in the USA that allows employees to take some leave from work if they have to temporarily attend to the medical needs of family (or themselves). The law has many conditions, but the intent is to keep employers threatening the employment of workers that are caregivers to immediate family. In the US, medical insurance is effectively tied to one's employment, so losing a job could mean loss of medical insurance for oneself and dependents.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
2
It's not clear to me whether your boss who came to the agreement, is the same person as your supervisor who told you to watch your time, or if that's the same person as your manager who you need to address this with. Are they one person, two people, or three people, and if so, do they all officially know about your agreement and that it's approved? If you took a day off, and your agreement is to make the time up in other ways so you aren't working less, what is your supervisor's problem with it now?
– TessellatingHeckler
10 hours ago
2
One option.... I had a baby and found work that enables me to spend most of my time at home rather than expect my old job to make provision for my personal issues. Actually I did this several babies ago.
– Kilisi
5 hours ago
1
1
Sorry you're going through this! Sometimes the best option is to find another company that's more supportive. At my company, my group's big on taking the time you need to take care of yourself and your loved one!
– jcmack
12 hours ago
Sorry you're going through this! Sometimes the best option is to find another company that's more supportive. At my company, my group's big on taking the time you need to take care of yourself and your loved one!
– jcmack
12 hours ago
1
1
Did you tell your supervisor beforehand that you were taking the day off, and why? If not, your co-workers and manager had every right to wonder why you weren't at work that day. (It's not obvious from your post whether your boss, manager, and supervisor are one, two or three different people, BTW)
– alephzero
12 hours ago
Did you tell your supervisor beforehand that you were taking the day off, and why? If not, your co-workers and manager had every right to wonder why you weren't at work that day. (It's not obvious from your post whether your boss, manager, and supervisor are one, two or three different people, BTW)
– alephzero
12 hours ago
2
2
@ChrisMelville, Family Medical Leave Act-- It's a law in the USA that allows employees to take some leave from work if they have to temporarily attend to the medical needs of family (or themselves). The law has many conditions, but the intent is to keep employers threatening the employment of workers that are caregivers to immediate family. In the US, medical insurance is effectively tied to one's employment, so losing a job could mean loss of medical insurance for oneself and dependents.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
@ChrisMelville, Family Medical Leave Act-- It's a law in the USA that allows employees to take some leave from work if they have to temporarily attend to the medical needs of family (or themselves). The law has many conditions, but the intent is to keep employers threatening the employment of workers that are caregivers to immediate family. In the US, medical insurance is effectively tied to one's employment, so losing a job could mean loss of medical insurance for oneself and dependents.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
2
2
It's not clear to me whether your boss who came to the agreement, is the same person as your supervisor who told you to watch your time, or if that's the same person as your manager who you need to address this with. Are they one person, two people, or three people, and if so, do they all officially know about your agreement and that it's approved? If you took a day off, and your agreement is to make the time up in other ways so you aren't working less, what is your supervisor's problem with it now?
– TessellatingHeckler
10 hours ago
It's not clear to me whether your boss who came to the agreement, is the same person as your supervisor who told you to watch your time, or if that's the same person as your manager who you need to address this with. Are they one person, two people, or three people, and if so, do they all officially know about your agreement and that it's approved? If you took a day off, and your agreement is to make the time up in other ways so you aren't working less, what is your supervisor's problem with it now?
– TessellatingHeckler
10 hours ago
2
2
One option.... I had a baby and found work that enables me to spend most of my time at home rather than expect my old job to make provision for my personal issues. Actually I did this several babies ago.
– Kilisi
5 hours ago
One option.... I had a baby and found work that enables me to spend most of my time at home rather than expect my old job to make provision for my personal issues. Actually I did this several babies ago.
– Kilisi
5 hours ago
|
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If you haven't already take a look at the FMLA FAQ. This is the law in the USA so the fact that the company has changed hands doesn't matter. Under qualifying conditions it says "to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent – but not a parent “in-law”) with a serious health condition" which would seem to apply.
You do need to qualify as far as number of hours worked, and the company isn't required to pay you for time you take, but they certainly aren't allowed to harass you.
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I agree with this, but the OP indicated she has used FMLA in the past (as such, she is likely already familiar with the rules). The problem here is that new company's HR advised her against using FMLA and instead make an informal arrangement. She trusted them and then the boss used that trust against her by pressuring her about the day off. I think the best action for her now is to use FMLA for every incident going forward. That isn't necessarily going to protect her job, but it does give some recourse if things get ugly.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
3
@teego1967 I agree, I just wanted to make absolutely sure she was aware of her rights, and that any change in ownership didn't matter.
– DaveG
11 hours ago
6
@teego1967 HR department advises employee to not use a legally mandated protection that is good for the employee but bad for the company... what is novel here? FMLA exists basically to protect this employee from this bad HR department.
– trognanders
7 hours ago
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It is not intimidation, but rather a mild warning that your pattern of absences has been noticed and is starting to cause issues. You should take that warning seriously and work with your manager to make sure that future absences are approved and that you are handling this inside of the process that your workplace
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What in the OP's post causes you to question that the OP hasn't taken the "mild warning" seriously and that she hasn't explicitly followed "the process" of the company by not taking the FMLA as the company counseled her to do?
– teego1967
7 hours ago
4
Why should she handle this within the process for her workplace? FMLA means she doesn't legally need to do that, she was just being nice doing so. At this point, I would recommend she stop being nice. If she's fired, she has a hell of a lawsuit she could file. One that they really can't defend against.
– user87779
5 hours ago
5
She has legal entitlements she has avoided using in good faith that the company would accept her needs. The company has now acted in bad faith by threatening her (use whatever euphemism you want). She needs to assert her legal rights again as they clearly intend to give her no support at all.
– StephenG
5 hours ago
It should be noted that she is not using FMLA provisions, but an arrangement with her boss.
– Gregroy Currie
2 hours ago
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I am not equipped to discuss the particulars around FMLA.
But what I will say, is that appears you were informally warned, at least partly, because "complaints were made" by other employees. I am going to assume these employees are not supervisors of yours.
Fellow employees have no right to complain about worker absences. They are not privy to employment arrangements you may have with your employer. If they do complain, this is not something that should be brought to your attention, as it is irrelevant, and a needless source of needless stress.
What they can do is bring it to your supervisors attention, in instances where the supervisor may not be aware. If your supervisor is unaware, you need to make sure you are following the reporting provisions in FMLA and policy at your place of employment. Even if nobody complains, you must ensure you meet your obligations.
If the supervisor is aware, it's up to them to deal with the workers, and not shift "blame" onto you. For instance, they may be annoyed that they are shorthanded. If your employer does not manage that situation, that is not your fault.
You do not need to justify your absences to your fellow workers. It's a private matter. As stated above, you do need to ensure you follow proper procedures when dealing with your employer however.
If fellow workers try to force information out of you, this is a form of harassment, and it's something you should raise with your supervisor or management.
Your next step is to determine if you are meeting your obligations.
And when I say obligations, I mean regarding whatever arrangements you have with your boss. If you have formed a non-FMLA agreement with your boss, you can't rely on provisions of FMLA to back yourself up, as you have not opted to go down that path.
If you are meeting your obligations, it's possible that information regarding your absences is not getting filtered down to the right people. While technically this is not your problem, you should be proactive and speak with your supervisor to make sure there is a means for them to be aware about the information they need to know to manage the shift.
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They should not have asked you to speak with your boss about an arrangement. Being that he told you to “watch your time” means that your job could be at risk. With FMLA your job is not at risk unless you are leaving for non covered reasons.
You need to go back to your HR dept and give them the documentation for your FMLA leave and if they question why then you simple tell them In a kind way that you are CYA. Quite honestly I am shocked am hr rep from ANY company would request for you to work out anything with your boss as opposed to legal binding paper work that will cover your AND also covers their butts.
I would just tell HR that you feel that FMLA is the best route for your sons medical needs vs a verbal agreement with your boss who could be having a bad day and decide you aren’t going to leave on a day that you need to and then you lose your jobs.
All in all you need to have your FMLA done. That is the purpose of FMLA.
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If you haven't already take a look at the FMLA FAQ. This is the law in the USA so the fact that the company has changed hands doesn't matter. Under qualifying conditions it says "to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent – but not a parent “in-law”) with a serious health condition" which would seem to apply.
You do need to qualify as far as number of hours worked, and the company isn't required to pay you for time you take, but they certainly aren't allowed to harass you.
24
I agree with this, but the OP indicated she has used FMLA in the past (as such, she is likely already familiar with the rules). The problem here is that new company's HR advised her against using FMLA and instead make an informal arrangement. She trusted them and then the boss used that trust against her by pressuring her about the day off. I think the best action for her now is to use FMLA for every incident going forward. That isn't necessarily going to protect her job, but it does give some recourse if things get ugly.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
3
@teego1967 I agree, I just wanted to make absolutely sure she was aware of her rights, and that any change in ownership didn't matter.
– DaveG
11 hours ago
6
@teego1967 HR department advises employee to not use a legally mandated protection that is good for the employee but bad for the company... what is novel here? FMLA exists basically to protect this employee from this bad HR department.
– trognanders
7 hours ago
add a comment |
If you haven't already take a look at the FMLA FAQ. This is the law in the USA so the fact that the company has changed hands doesn't matter. Under qualifying conditions it says "to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent – but not a parent “in-law”) with a serious health condition" which would seem to apply.
You do need to qualify as far as number of hours worked, and the company isn't required to pay you for time you take, but they certainly aren't allowed to harass you.
24
I agree with this, but the OP indicated she has used FMLA in the past (as such, she is likely already familiar with the rules). The problem here is that new company's HR advised her against using FMLA and instead make an informal arrangement. She trusted them and then the boss used that trust against her by pressuring her about the day off. I think the best action for her now is to use FMLA for every incident going forward. That isn't necessarily going to protect her job, but it does give some recourse if things get ugly.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
3
@teego1967 I agree, I just wanted to make absolutely sure she was aware of her rights, and that any change in ownership didn't matter.
– DaveG
11 hours ago
6
@teego1967 HR department advises employee to not use a legally mandated protection that is good for the employee but bad for the company... what is novel here? FMLA exists basically to protect this employee from this bad HR department.
– trognanders
7 hours ago
add a comment |
If you haven't already take a look at the FMLA FAQ. This is the law in the USA so the fact that the company has changed hands doesn't matter. Under qualifying conditions it says "to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent – but not a parent “in-law”) with a serious health condition" which would seem to apply.
You do need to qualify as far as number of hours worked, and the company isn't required to pay you for time you take, but they certainly aren't allowed to harass you.
If you haven't already take a look at the FMLA FAQ. This is the law in the USA so the fact that the company has changed hands doesn't matter. Under qualifying conditions it says "to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent – but not a parent “in-law”) with a serious health condition" which would seem to apply.
You do need to qualify as far as number of hours worked, and the company isn't required to pay you for time you take, but they certainly aren't allowed to harass you.
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I agree with this, but the OP indicated she has used FMLA in the past (as such, she is likely already familiar with the rules). The problem here is that new company's HR advised her against using FMLA and instead make an informal arrangement. She trusted them and then the boss used that trust against her by pressuring her about the day off. I think the best action for her now is to use FMLA for every incident going forward. That isn't necessarily going to protect her job, but it does give some recourse if things get ugly.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
3
@teego1967 I agree, I just wanted to make absolutely sure she was aware of her rights, and that any change in ownership didn't matter.
– DaveG
11 hours ago
6
@teego1967 HR department advises employee to not use a legally mandated protection that is good for the employee but bad for the company... what is novel here? FMLA exists basically to protect this employee from this bad HR department.
– trognanders
7 hours ago
add a comment |
24
I agree with this, but the OP indicated she has used FMLA in the past (as such, she is likely already familiar with the rules). The problem here is that new company's HR advised her against using FMLA and instead make an informal arrangement. She trusted them and then the boss used that trust against her by pressuring her about the day off. I think the best action for her now is to use FMLA for every incident going forward. That isn't necessarily going to protect her job, but it does give some recourse if things get ugly.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
3
@teego1967 I agree, I just wanted to make absolutely sure she was aware of her rights, and that any change in ownership didn't matter.
– DaveG
11 hours ago
6
@teego1967 HR department advises employee to not use a legally mandated protection that is good for the employee but bad for the company... what is novel here? FMLA exists basically to protect this employee from this bad HR department.
– trognanders
7 hours ago
24
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I agree with this, but the OP indicated she has used FMLA in the past (as such, she is likely already familiar with the rules). The problem here is that new company's HR advised her against using FMLA and instead make an informal arrangement. She trusted them and then the boss used that trust against her by pressuring her about the day off. I think the best action for her now is to use FMLA for every incident going forward. That isn't necessarily going to protect her job, but it does give some recourse if things get ugly.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
I agree with this, but the OP indicated she has used FMLA in the past (as such, she is likely already familiar with the rules). The problem here is that new company's HR advised her against using FMLA and instead make an informal arrangement. She trusted them and then the boss used that trust against her by pressuring her about the day off. I think the best action for her now is to use FMLA for every incident going forward. That isn't necessarily going to protect her job, but it does give some recourse if things get ugly.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
3
3
@teego1967 I agree, I just wanted to make absolutely sure she was aware of her rights, and that any change in ownership didn't matter.
– DaveG
11 hours ago
@teego1967 I agree, I just wanted to make absolutely sure she was aware of her rights, and that any change in ownership didn't matter.
– DaveG
11 hours ago
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@teego1967 HR department advises employee to not use a legally mandated protection that is good for the employee but bad for the company... what is novel here? FMLA exists basically to protect this employee from this bad HR department.
– trognanders
7 hours ago
@teego1967 HR department advises employee to not use a legally mandated protection that is good for the employee but bad for the company... what is novel here? FMLA exists basically to protect this employee from this bad HR department.
– trognanders
7 hours ago
add a comment |
It is not intimidation, but rather a mild warning that your pattern of absences has been noticed and is starting to cause issues. You should take that warning seriously and work with your manager to make sure that future absences are approved and that you are handling this inside of the process that your workplace
5
What in the OP's post causes you to question that the OP hasn't taken the "mild warning" seriously and that she hasn't explicitly followed "the process" of the company by not taking the FMLA as the company counseled her to do?
– teego1967
7 hours ago
4
Why should she handle this within the process for her workplace? FMLA means she doesn't legally need to do that, she was just being nice doing so. At this point, I would recommend she stop being nice. If she's fired, she has a hell of a lawsuit she could file. One that they really can't defend against.
– user87779
5 hours ago
5
She has legal entitlements she has avoided using in good faith that the company would accept her needs. The company has now acted in bad faith by threatening her (use whatever euphemism you want). She needs to assert her legal rights again as they clearly intend to give her no support at all.
– StephenG
5 hours ago
It should be noted that she is not using FMLA provisions, but an arrangement with her boss.
– Gregroy Currie
2 hours ago
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It is not intimidation, but rather a mild warning that your pattern of absences has been noticed and is starting to cause issues. You should take that warning seriously and work with your manager to make sure that future absences are approved and that you are handling this inside of the process that your workplace
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What in the OP's post causes you to question that the OP hasn't taken the "mild warning" seriously and that she hasn't explicitly followed "the process" of the company by not taking the FMLA as the company counseled her to do?
– teego1967
7 hours ago
4
Why should she handle this within the process for her workplace? FMLA means she doesn't legally need to do that, she was just being nice doing so. At this point, I would recommend she stop being nice. If she's fired, she has a hell of a lawsuit she could file. One that they really can't defend against.
– user87779
5 hours ago
5
She has legal entitlements she has avoided using in good faith that the company would accept her needs. The company has now acted in bad faith by threatening her (use whatever euphemism you want). She needs to assert her legal rights again as they clearly intend to give her no support at all.
– StephenG
5 hours ago
It should be noted that she is not using FMLA provisions, but an arrangement with her boss.
– Gregroy Currie
2 hours ago
add a comment |
It is not intimidation, but rather a mild warning that your pattern of absences has been noticed and is starting to cause issues. You should take that warning seriously and work with your manager to make sure that future absences are approved and that you are handling this inside of the process that your workplace
It is not intimidation, but rather a mild warning that your pattern of absences has been noticed and is starting to cause issues. You should take that warning seriously and work with your manager to make sure that future absences are approved and that you are handling this inside of the process that your workplace
answered 14 hours ago
IDrinkandIKnowThingsIDrinkandIKnowThings
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What in the OP's post causes you to question that the OP hasn't taken the "mild warning" seriously and that she hasn't explicitly followed "the process" of the company by not taking the FMLA as the company counseled her to do?
– teego1967
7 hours ago
4
Why should she handle this within the process for her workplace? FMLA means she doesn't legally need to do that, she was just being nice doing so. At this point, I would recommend she stop being nice. If she's fired, she has a hell of a lawsuit she could file. One that they really can't defend against.
– user87779
5 hours ago
5
She has legal entitlements she has avoided using in good faith that the company would accept her needs. The company has now acted in bad faith by threatening her (use whatever euphemism you want). She needs to assert her legal rights again as they clearly intend to give her no support at all.
– StephenG
5 hours ago
It should be noted that she is not using FMLA provisions, but an arrangement with her boss.
– Gregroy Currie
2 hours ago
add a comment |
5
What in the OP's post causes you to question that the OP hasn't taken the "mild warning" seriously and that she hasn't explicitly followed "the process" of the company by not taking the FMLA as the company counseled her to do?
– teego1967
7 hours ago
4
Why should she handle this within the process for her workplace? FMLA means she doesn't legally need to do that, she was just being nice doing so. At this point, I would recommend she stop being nice. If she's fired, she has a hell of a lawsuit she could file. One that they really can't defend against.
– user87779
5 hours ago
5
She has legal entitlements she has avoided using in good faith that the company would accept her needs. The company has now acted in bad faith by threatening her (use whatever euphemism you want). She needs to assert her legal rights again as they clearly intend to give her no support at all.
– StephenG
5 hours ago
It should be noted that she is not using FMLA provisions, but an arrangement with her boss.
– Gregroy Currie
2 hours ago
5
5
What in the OP's post causes you to question that the OP hasn't taken the "mild warning" seriously and that she hasn't explicitly followed "the process" of the company by not taking the FMLA as the company counseled her to do?
– teego1967
7 hours ago
What in the OP's post causes you to question that the OP hasn't taken the "mild warning" seriously and that she hasn't explicitly followed "the process" of the company by not taking the FMLA as the company counseled her to do?
– teego1967
7 hours ago
4
4
Why should she handle this within the process for her workplace? FMLA means she doesn't legally need to do that, she was just being nice doing so. At this point, I would recommend she stop being nice. If she's fired, she has a hell of a lawsuit she could file. One that they really can't defend against.
– user87779
5 hours ago
Why should she handle this within the process for her workplace? FMLA means she doesn't legally need to do that, she was just being nice doing so. At this point, I would recommend she stop being nice. If she's fired, she has a hell of a lawsuit she could file. One that they really can't defend against.
– user87779
5 hours ago
5
5
She has legal entitlements she has avoided using in good faith that the company would accept her needs. The company has now acted in bad faith by threatening her (use whatever euphemism you want). She needs to assert her legal rights again as they clearly intend to give her no support at all.
– StephenG
5 hours ago
She has legal entitlements she has avoided using in good faith that the company would accept her needs. The company has now acted in bad faith by threatening her (use whatever euphemism you want). She needs to assert her legal rights again as they clearly intend to give her no support at all.
– StephenG
5 hours ago
It should be noted that she is not using FMLA provisions, but an arrangement with her boss.
– Gregroy Currie
2 hours ago
It should be noted that she is not using FMLA provisions, but an arrangement with her boss.
– Gregroy Currie
2 hours ago
add a comment |
I am not equipped to discuss the particulars around FMLA.
But what I will say, is that appears you were informally warned, at least partly, because "complaints were made" by other employees. I am going to assume these employees are not supervisors of yours.
Fellow employees have no right to complain about worker absences. They are not privy to employment arrangements you may have with your employer. If they do complain, this is not something that should be brought to your attention, as it is irrelevant, and a needless source of needless stress.
What they can do is bring it to your supervisors attention, in instances where the supervisor may not be aware. If your supervisor is unaware, you need to make sure you are following the reporting provisions in FMLA and policy at your place of employment. Even if nobody complains, you must ensure you meet your obligations.
If the supervisor is aware, it's up to them to deal with the workers, and not shift "blame" onto you. For instance, they may be annoyed that they are shorthanded. If your employer does not manage that situation, that is not your fault.
You do not need to justify your absences to your fellow workers. It's a private matter. As stated above, you do need to ensure you follow proper procedures when dealing with your employer however.
If fellow workers try to force information out of you, this is a form of harassment, and it's something you should raise with your supervisor or management.
Your next step is to determine if you are meeting your obligations.
And when I say obligations, I mean regarding whatever arrangements you have with your boss. If you have formed a non-FMLA agreement with your boss, you can't rely on provisions of FMLA to back yourself up, as you have not opted to go down that path.
If you are meeting your obligations, it's possible that information regarding your absences is not getting filtered down to the right people. While technically this is not your problem, you should be proactive and speak with your supervisor to make sure there is a means for them to be aware about the information they need to know to manage the shift.
add a comment |
I am not equipped to discuss the particulars around FMLA.
But what I will say, is that appears you were informally warned, at least partly, because "complaints were made" by other employees. I am going to assume these employees are not supervisors of yours.
Fellow employees have no right to complain about worker absences. They are not privy to employment arrangements you may have with your employer. If they do complain, this is not something that should be brought to your attention, as it is irrelevant, and a needless source of needless stress.
What they can do is bring it to your supervisors attention, in instances where the supervisor may not be aware. If your supervisor is unaware, you need to make sure you are following the reporting provisions in FMLA and policy at your place of employment. Even if nobody complains, you must ensure you meet your obligations.
If the supervisor is aware, it's up to them to deal with the workers, and not shift "blame" onto you. For instance, they may be annoyed that they are shorthanded. If your employer does not manage that situation, that is not your fault.
You do not need to justify your absences to your fellow workers. It's a private matter. As stated above, you do need to ensure you follow proper procedures when dealing with your employer however.
If fellow workers try to force information out of you, this is a form of harassment, and it's something you should raise with your supervisor or management.
Your next step is to determine if you are meeting your obligations.
And when I say obligations, I mean regarding whatever arrangements you have with your boss. If you have formed a non-FMLA agreement with your boss, you can't rely on provisions of FMLA to back yourself up, as you have not opted to go down that path.
If you are meeting your obligations, it's possible that information regarding your absences is not getting filtered down to the right people. While technically this is not your problem, you should be proactive and speak with your supervisor to make sure there is a means for them to be aware about the information they need to know to manage the shift.
add a comment |
I am not equipped to discuss the particulars around FMLA.
But what I will say, is that appears you were informally warned, at least partly, because "complaints were made" by other employees. I am going to assume these employees are not supervisors of yours.
Fellow employees have no right to complain about worker absences. They are not privy to employment arrangements you may have with your employer. If they do complain, this is not something that should be brought to your attention, as it is irrelevant, and a needless source of needless stress.
What they can do is bring it to your supervisors attention, in instances where the supervisor may not be aware. If your supervisor is unaware, you need to make sure you are following the reporting provisions in FMLA and policy at your place of employment. Even if nobody complains, you must ensure you meet your obligations.
If the supervisor is aware, it's up to them to deal with the workers, and not shift "blame" onto you. For instance, they may be annoyed that they are shorthanded. If your employer does not manage that situation, that is not your fault.
You do not need to justify your absences to your fellow workers. It's a private matter. As stated above, you do need to ensure you follow proper procedures when dealing with your employer however.
If fellow workers try to force information out of you, this is a form of harassment, and it's something you should raise with your supervisor or management.
Your next step is to determine if you are meeting your obligations.
And when I say obligations, I mean regarding whatever arrangements you have with your boss. If you have formed a non-FMLA agreement with your boss, you can't rely on provisions of FMLA to back yourself up, as you have not opted to go down that path.
If you are meeting your obligations, it's possible that information regarding your absences is not getting filtered down to the right people. While technically this is not your problem, you should be proactive and speak with your supervisor to make sure there is a means for them to be aware about the information they need to know to manage the shift.
I am not equipped to discuss the particulars around FMLA.
But what I will say, is that appears you were informally warned, at least partly, because "complaints were made" by other employees. I am going to assume these employees are not supervisors of yours.
Fellow employees have no right to complain about worker absences. They are not privy to employment arrangements you may have with your employer. If they do complain, this is not something that should be brought to your attention, as it is irrelevant, and a needless source of needless stress.
What they can do is bring it to your supervisors attention, in instances where the supervisor may not be aware. If your supervisor is unaware, you need to make sure you are following the reporting provisions in FMLA and policy at your place of employment. Even if nobody complains, you must ensure you meet your obligations.
If the supervisor is aware, it's up to them to deal with the workers, and not shift "blame" onto you. For instance, they may be annoyed that they are shorthanded. If your employer does not manage that situation, that is not your fault.
You do not need to justify your absences to your fellow workers. It's a private matter. As stated above, you do need to ensure you follow proper procedures when dealing with your employer however.
If fellow workers try to force information out of you, this is a form of harassment, and it's something you should raise with your supervisor or management.
Your next step is to determine if you are meeting your obligations.
And when I say obligations, I mean regarding whatever arrangements you have with your boss. If you have formed a non-FMLA agreement with your boss, you can't rely on provisions of FMLA to back yourself up, as you have not opted to go down that path.
If you are meeting your obligations, it's possible that information regarding your absences is not getting filtered down to the right people. While technically this is not your problem, you should be proactive and speak with your supervisor to make sure there is a means for them to be aware about the information they need to know to manage the shift.
answered 2 hours ago
Gregroy CurrieGregroy Currie
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They should not have asked you to speak with your boss about an arrangement. Being that he told you to “watch your time” means that your job could be at risk. With FMLA your job is not at risk unless you are leaving for non covered reasons.
You need to go back to your HR dept and give them the documentation for your FMLA leave and if they question why then you simple tell them In a kind way that you are CYA. Quite honestly I am shocked am hr rep from ANY company would request for you to work out anything with your boss as opposed to legal binding paper work that will cover your AND also covers their butts.
I would just tell HR that you feel that FMLA is the best route for your sons medical needs vs a verbal agreement with your boss who could be having a bad day and decide you aren’t going to leave on a day that you need to and then you lose your jobs.
All in all you need to have your FMLA done. That is the purpose of FMLA.
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They should not have asked you to speak with your boss about an arrangement. Being that he told you to “watch your time” means that your job could be at risk. With FMLA your job is not at risk unless you are leaving for non covered reasons.
You need to go back to your HR dept and give them the documentation for your FMLA leave and if they question why then you simple tell them In a kind way that you are CYA. Quite honestly I am shocked am hr rep from ANY company would request for you to work out anything with your boss as opposed to legal binding paper work that will cover your AND also covers their butts.
I would just tell HR that you feel that FMLA is the best route for your sons medical needs vs a verbal agreement with your boss who could be having a bad day and decide you aren’t going to leave on a day that you need to and then you lose your jobs.
All in all you need to have your FMLA done. That is the purpose of FMLA.
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– V2Blast
2 hours ago
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They should not have asked you to speak with your boss about an arrangement. Being that he told you to “watch your time” means that your job could be at risk. With FMLA your job is not at risk unless you are leaving for non covered reasons.
You need to go back to your HR dept and give them the documentation for your FMLA leave and if they question why then you simple tell them In a kind way that you are CYA. Quite honestly I am shocked am hr rep from ANY company would request for you to work out anything with your boss as opposed to legal binding paper work that will cover your AND also covers their butts.
I would just tell HR that you feel that FMLA is the best route for your sons medical needs vs a verbal agreement with your boss who could be having a bad day and decide you aren’t going to leave on a day that you need to and then you lose your jobs.
All in all you need to have your FMLA done. That is the purpose of FMLA.
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They should not have asked you to speak with your boss about an arrangement. Being that he told you to “watch your time” means that your job could be at risk. With FMLA your job is not at risk unless you are leaving for non covered reasons.
You need to go back to your HR dept and give them the documentation for your FMLA leave and if they question why then you simple tell them In a kind way that you are CYA. Quite honestly I am shocked am hr rep from ANY company would request for you to work out anything with your boss as opposed to legal binding paper work that will cover your AND also covers their butts.
I would just tell HR that you feel that FMLA is the best route for your sons medical needs vs a verbal agreement with your boss who could be having a bad day and decide you aren’t going to leave on a day that you need to and then you lose your jobs.
All in all you need to have your FMLA done. That is the purpose of FMLA.
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Sorry you're going through this! Sometimes the best option is to find another company that's more supportive. At my company, my group's big on taking the time you need to take care of yourself and your loved one!
– jcmack
12 hours ago
1
Did you tell your supervisor beforehand that you were taking the day off, and why? If not, your co-workers and manager had every right to wonder why you weren't at work that day. (It's not obvious from your post whether your boss, manager, and supervisor are one, two or three different people, BTW)
– alephzero
12 hours ago
2
@ChrisMelville, Family Medical Leave Act-- It's a law in the USA that allows employees to take some leave from work if they have to temporarily attend to the medical needs of family (or themselves). The law has many conditions, but the intent is to keep employers threatening the employment of workers that are caregivers to immediate family. In the US, medical insurance is effectively tied to one's employment, so losing a job could mean loss of medical insurance for oneself and dependents.
– teego1967
11 hours ago
2
It's not clear to me whether your boss who came to the agreement, is the same person as your supervisor who told you to watch your time, or if that's the same person as your manager who you need to address this with. Are they one person, two people, or three people, and if so, do they all officially know about your agreement and that it's approved? If you took a day off, and your agreement is to make the time up in other ways so you aren't working less, what is your supervisor's problem with it now?
– TessellatingHeckler
10 hours ago
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One option.... I had a baby and found work that enables me to spend most of my time at home rather than expect my old job to make provision for my personal issues. Actually I did this several babies ago.
– Kilisi
5 hours ago