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The setting is 2013 in the UK, and my character is approaching three people two of them are sitting on a bench in a garden and one guy who is an elderly black man is standing.



As my character is approaching them, my novel reads;




I walked towards the trio who looked like they were having a conversation. They all seemed welcoming. A teenage looking girl and elderly women were sitting on the log and an elderly black man was standing in front of them.




I don't want to say it as black man and I am not sure of using the word African (will that clearly indicate without being broad). I want to express this just to mention the diversity in that environment although later on in my novel I have clearly expressed him in detail.










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    You don't describe the ethnicity of the other two characters. Are you assuming that the reader will interpret them as white? It makes a contrast that you might not want, to point out that one character is black, but nobody else's skin is worth mentioning.

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    It's a thing to be wary of when you are writing, that you don't write with the assumption that characters are white unless otherwise specified, and that non-white characters are "diverse" or "exotic". You might consider reading up about marked versus unmarked. By calling out only the one person with regard to his skin color, you are marking him as different. Everybody else is the "normal" or "default" race, except this guy, who is black. This might be intentional, especially if you are noting that he stands out because of his difference, but it sounds like you are not trying to do that.

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    @KitZ.Fox Indeed, everyone else is the default race unless specified. A book set in South Africa would point out the white people, but as described in the question: "The setting is 2013 in the UK" where about 85-90% of the population are white.

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Sorry if this is an ancient solved problem to ask in 2019, but I googled about this and Quora isn't really answering me. I searched for the words black and race and politically as key-words on this website but still not a satisfactory answer.



The setting is 2013 in the UK, and my character is approaching three people two of them are sitting on a bench in a garden and one guy who is an elderly black man is standing.



As my character is approaching them, my novel reads;




I walked towards the trio who looked like they were having a conversation. They all seemed welcoming. A teenage looking girl and elderly women were sitting on the log and an elderly black man was standing in front of them.




I don't want to say it as black man and I am not sure of using the word African (will that clearly indicate without being broad). I want to express this just to mention the diversity in that environment although later on in my novel I have clearly expressed him in detail.










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    You don't describe the ethnicity of the other two characters. Are you assuming that the reader will interpret them as white? It makes a contrast that you might not want, to point out that one character is black, but nobody else's skin is worth mentioning.

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    It's a thing to be wary of when you are writing, that you don't write with the assumption that characters are white unless otherwise specified, and that non-white characters are "diverse" or "exotic". You might consider reading up about marked versus unmarked. By calling out only the one person with regard to his skin color, you are marking him as different. Everybody else is the "normal" or "default" race, except this guy, who is black. This might be intentional, especially if you are noting that he stands out because of his difference, but it sounds like you are not trying to do that.

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    @KitZ.Fox Indeed, everyone else is the default race unless specified. A book set in South Africa would point out the white people, but as described in the question: "The setting is 2013 in the UK" where about 85-90% of the population are white.

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Sorry if this is an ancient solved problem to ask in 2019, but I googled about this and Quora isn't really answering me. I searched for the words black and race and politically as key-words on this website but still not a satisfactory answer.



The setting is 2013 in the UK, and my character is approaching three people two of them are sitting on a bench in a garden and one guy who is an elderly black man is standing.



As my character is approaching them, my novel reads;




I walked towards the trio who looked like they were having a conversation. They all seemed welcoming. A teenage looking girl and elderly women were sitting on the log and an elderly black man was standing in front of them.




I don't want to say it as black man and I am not sure of using the word African (will that clearly indicate without being broad). I want to express this just to mention the diversity in that environment although later on in my novel I have clearly expressed him in detail.










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Sorry if this is an ancient solved problem to ask in 2019, but I googled about this and Quora isn't really answering me. I searched for the words black and race and politically as key-words on this website but still not a satisfactory answer.



The setting is 2013 in the UK, and my character is approaching three people two of them are sitting on a bench in a garden and one guy who is an elderly black man is standing.



As my character is approaching them, my novel reads;




I walked towards the trio who looked like they were having a conversation. They all seemed welcoming. A teenage looking girl and elderly women were sitting on the log and an elderly black man was standing in front of them.




I don't want to say it as black man and I am not sure of using the word African (will that clearly indicate without being broad). I want to express this just to mention the diversity in that environment although later on in my novel I have clearly expressed him in detail.







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    You don't describe the ethnicity of the other two characters. Are you assuming that the reader will interpret them as white? It makes a contrast that you might not want, to point out that one character is black, but nobody else's skin is worth mentioning.

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    It's a thing to be wary of when you are writing, that you don't write with the assumption that characters are white unless otherwise specified, and that non-white characters are "diverse" or "exotic". You might consider reading up about marked versus unmarked. By calling out only the one person with regard to his skin color, you are marking him as different. Everybody else is the "normal" or "default" race, except this guy, who is black. This might be intentional, especially if you are noting that he stands out because of his difference, but it sounds like you are not trying to do that.

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    @KitZ.Fox Indeed, everyone else is the default race unless specified. A book set in South Africa would point out the white people, but as described in the question: "The setting is 2013 in the UK" where about 85-90% of the population are white.

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    You don't describe the ethnicity of the other two characters. Are you assuming that the reader will interpret them as white? It makes a contrast that you might not want, to point out that one character is black, but nobody else's skin is worth mentioning.

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    It's a thing to be wary of when you are writing, that you don't write with the assumption that characters are white unless otherwise specified, and that non-white characters are "diverse" or "exotic". You might consider reading up about marked versus unmarked. By calling out only the one person with regard to his skin color, you are marking him as different. Everybody else is the "normal" or "default" race, except this guy, who is black. This might be intentional, especially if you are noting that he stands out because of his difference, but it sounds like you are not trying to do that.

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    @KitZ.Fox Indeed, everyone else is the default race unless specified. A book set in South Africa would point out the white people, but as described in the question: "The setting is 2013 in the UK" where about 85-90% of the population are white.

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You don't describe the ethnicity of the other two characters. Are you assuming that the reader will interpret them as white? It makes a contrast that you might not want, to point out that one character is black, but nobody else's skin is worth mentioning.

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You don't describe the ethnicity of the other two characters. Are you assuming that the reader will interpret them as white? It makes a contrast that you might not want, to point out that one character is black, but nobody else's skin is worth mentioning.

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It's a thing to be wary of when you are writing, that you don't write with the assumption that characters are white unless otherwise specified, and that non-white characters are "diverse" or "exotic". You might consider reading up about marked versus unmarked. By calling out only the one person with regard to his skin color, you are marking him as different. Everybody else is the "normal" or "default" race, except this guy, who is black. This might be intentional, especially if you are noting that he stands out because of his difference, but it sounds like you are not trying to do that.

– Kit Z. Fox
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It's a thing to be wary of when you are writing, that you don't write with the assumption that characters are white unless otherwise specified, and that non-white characters are "diverse" or "exotic". You might consider reading up about marked versus unmarked. By calling out only the one person with regard to his skin color, you are marking him as different. Everybody else is the "normal" or "default" race, except this guy, who is black. This might be intentional, especially if you are noting that he stands out because of his difference, but it sounds like you are not trying to do that.

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@KitZ.Fox Indeed, everyone else is the default race unless specified. A book set in South Africa would point out the white people, but as described in the question: "The setting is 2013 in the UK" where about 85-90% of the population are white.

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@KitZ.Fox Indeed, everyone else is the default race unless specified. A book set in South Africa would point out the white people, but as described in the question: "The setting is 2013 in the UK" where about 85-90% of the population are white.

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It might be more strange if your character instinctively knows the man is Kenyan without knowing who he is. Perhaps he is wearing a small pin in the shape of the Kenyan flag or talking about Kenya’s performance in the World Cup.



You could have something like this




I walked towards the trio, who seemed to be having a conversation.
They all seemed welcoming enough, so I knew I wouldn’t be
interrupting. A teenage girl and an elderly woman were sitting on the
log, the man faced them, talking to them. I wondered what part of
Africa his ancestors came from; might ask him someday. He seemed prosperous and was older,
possibly retired.




I have a friend and former coworker from Senegal. His English is excellent, but has a slight French accent since French is spoken in Senegal. You could mention a detail like that - hearing an accent and knowing it sounded X.






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  • Thank you for your answer, that's a very intelligent minimalist way. No, my character does not know it instinctively, it's that later on in the novel she has a conversation with him where he mentions that his ancestors are from Kenya.

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    For what it's worth, this may make your narrator seem somewhat naive.Not all black people have African heritage, and in fact large parts of the black community object to African, African American, African British, etc. manhattan-institute.org/html/…

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  • @Cain True, though it does tell the reader the colour of the character’s skin without the internal confusion of what is the acceptable term - these days. It changes.

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    @Rasdashan There's likely a lot of variation based on culture and country here, but I think the above has more confusion without avoiding any potential offense. Many people from northern Africa have Arabic appearances, while a significant portion of South-Africans are Caucasian

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Describe them.



There's nothing wrong with mentioning that he is black. However, in that segment, you're missing an opportunity to actually describe them, which will both make for a more interesting read, and illustrate his ethnicity.



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"I walked towards the trio. They were engrossed in a spirited conversation; it was as though they'd known each other forever.
The first person was a teenage girl. She cocked her head to the side as she listened. Auburn hair fell across her shoulders, muting the bold plaid of her shirt. The woman opposite her gesticulated as she spoke. Dry paint speckled her horn-rimmed glasses. Was she a painter? It was hard to tell. Her clothing matched her hair: mute silver. Hardly a creative choice. The third participant nodded. Lines covered his earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun. He watched the painter with a slow warmth, like an old friend, or perhaps more."







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  • Thank you for the answer, this teaches me a lot about character description. But my character is away from the trio and she won't notice that level of details about them, but I get the gist of the technique, this is helpful.

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    A nice description overall, but reading "...earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun" makes me think about an hardened farmer. But maybe it's just me.

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  • @Liquid Kinda the point :-) I alluded to personal backstories for each of them.

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A few points, in no particular order:




  • "A black man" paints a very different picture from "an elderly black gentleman" or "a tall, black-skinned young man". In the first case, the skin colour is the only thing the narrator sees about the man. That's a bit disconcerting if you look at it like that. In the other examples, skin colour is one of many characteristics, it could have just as easily been "red-haired".

  • You definitely don't want to use 'African' for a person who might have lived in the UK for three generations. Your character doesn't know the person is a foreigner - it's not like the story is set in Russia.

  • As an alternative to 'black', you can use 'dark-skinned'.






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    Just say he is an elderly black man! Since the skin covers most of the body, it would be the first thing the narrator notices about them, especially if they consider the fact worthy of remark (e.g. wondering what part of Africa they are from, per Rasdashan's answer or describing the lines on their skin per user49466's).



    I don't think there's a need to skirt around something as plain as their skin colour or create mini puzzles for the reader to figure out while they're reading...






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    • Although I agree with you the narration is done by an Indian woman where she herself is a guest. It would have been passable otherwise as a casual or light remark, but In this case, IMO it would sound impolite.

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      +1, you shouldn't make your reader do too much work by obscuring details. It's OK to dress things up with extra descriptive language, as long as it doesn't detract from what you're trying to convey. There's only so much effort a reader is willing to put in.

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    • @CreativeKid - what do you mean by impolite? Is your quoted text being spoken by the character or is it narration?

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      @CreativeKid because they are rude names, they are only 1 step away (or beyond) paki.

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      @CreativeKid Ahh so you are worried that the word "black" will be considered derogatory by the reader? As far as I'm aware, it is an acceptable word to describe an erm... black person. Though that comes with a disclaimer that I am white...

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    There is nothing wrong with being black, and there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black. If your character walks to a bench with an eldery black man sitting on it, write that your character walks to a bench with an eldery black man sitting on it.



    Skin color is like any other descriptor, and it help your readers identify the character if they don't know their name. For example, if they have an conversation, you can write "And then the black man stood up and left" and the reader will know which character that is, same as if you would describe him as "tall" and then write "And then the tall character stood up and left".



    Another reason to mention he is black would be if it matters to the story, but that is up to you as a writer.






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    • yes, it was not about being wrong in being black, it's that I wanted to highlight the event is multiracial so I wanted my character to make a casual reference of that to the reader. Maybe you are right that ' ...there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black', but given the entire set of the plot, to me, it seemed impolite to make a reference to an elderly person like that, but again it's just me.

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    A common failure in writing I notice is the over- and under-detailing of people, places, things, and events.



    If your character is in a high-stress action-scene situation where every second counts, they'll be paying attention to the generally noticeable things such as the area they are in, how many people and of what groups (us vs. them, red vs. blue, etc.) are there, what items they have at their disposal, and what noteworthy things occur (a person firing a gun, glass shattering, the Earth trembling, etc.). A person in a high-stress action-scene situation won't be able to identify the enemy's eye color or minute facial characteristics. They won't notice that there are 7 jacks and a little yellow bouncy ball lying off in a corner. They won't notice that the trees are swaying ever-so-softly.



    In a calm, relaxed scene, it only makes sense that they'd people-watch, note calming environmental changes, and pick up on details like facial features, diction, and apparel.



    A great movie to watch in order to see this rule in action is Green Book, which gives you plenty of opportunity to note the high cheek bones, Penny Brown skin tone, the diamond head shape, the prim attire, and the preferential, eloquent diction of the main character, Doctor Donald Shirley. At the same time, with the situation where a police officer pulls the car over in the rain, we can remember what was generally said since our focus is pulled towards the words, but the details of what the racist police officer looks like are easily forgotten. (Whether the story is true or false in how it was told is a separate matter I'd rather not get into.)



    When it comes to writing, you just need to describe the man based off what you can reasonably assume your character would notice. If you think your character would only notice his skin is black, then call him a black man. If you think your character would see the man in a symphony of purple prose, then describe the man in great detail. As for what he looks like specifically, though... that's on you. It's worth noting, that there is very little obvious difference in facial structure between a black person versus a white person. The things most affected by race are hair, eye, and (obviously) skin color. He can be tall or short, thin or fat. He can have any facial shape, a large or small chin or nose. His lips can be large like the caricatures of ole', or they can be thin like a thread. Describe him as you would any other character, but mention his skin color so that the audience knows. If you do, I recommend doing it in a way where you make it as little about his race as possible, though. For example:




    And most hauntingly, a twelve-year-old girl from District 11. She has dark brown skin and eyes, but other than that, she's very like Prim in size and demeanor. Only when she mounts the stage and they ask for volunteers, all you can hear is the wind whistling through the decrepit buildings around her. There's no one willing to take her place.




    This line comes from The Hunger Games and is describing Rue. So many people read this then were outraged when Rue was cast as Amandla Stenberg even though the story says she is a black girl. Why? Because Rue being black wasn't made a big deal of in the text. The fact she was a young girl was more important. The fact she reminded Katniss of Prim overshadowed all mention of skin tone. People forgot she was black and instead viewed her as white, Hispanic, or Asian because her race wasn't a central focus of her character. This is detailing done right. You describe the things your character would see. In Katniss's case, when she looked at Rue, she could only see a little girl who reminded her of her sister. What does your MC see when s/he looks at the man you're trying to describe?






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      Thank you for such a detailed answer it explains to me a lot. In my case, the specific purpose is to make a point the people of different races and ages have arrived at the resort, so I just wanted to casually mention at that point that, she sees a black man talking to two ladies. I upvoted your answer, it was helpful.

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      Not my downvote, but it could be that you go on for several paragraphs about generalities before you get to the point that's directly relevant. It takes a while for a reader to understand how what you're saying relates to the question, and what it is you're saying in fact. If someone didn't finish reading, they might downvote for seeming broadness and lack of relevance. You might want to rearrange the answer, so that the last half of it comes first. :-)

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      +1, it's a good example from the Hunger Games. And Rue should have been cast as black, as written.

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    It seems that you want to want to say the simple fact, but afraid that people will be sensitive for that. In that case, you can allude to the skin color by mentioning their origin first. So if it doesn't affect your story much, say that he is a Kenya person, and people will take the skin color for granted.






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      It depends on your readership.



      The extreme sensitivity to racial or gender issues is not equally present in all parts of the current (2019) population. Some people would explode on you for calling someone black, others wouldn't even notice it. You even see the different attitudes in the answers given already.



      So if you know your audience, then your answer depends on that. You don't want to upset them unless it is for making a point, so if you think your audience will be upset, change the term or cushion it with a phrase like




      ...an elderly man was standing in front of them. John instinctively thought of him as black, then quickly corrected himself and mentally replaced the word with "african".




      Using such phrases (but not overusing them!) allows you to use the term that is the best description (many african people are more brown than black, and there are white people living in Africa, too) without putting you in the line of fire of social justice warriors.






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      • Thank you for the answer, I wanted to make a specific point, that different races have come at the place through just a casual remark. Though your answer explains me using phrases. It was helpful +1.

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        I disagree with calling him African. It's been edited out of the question now for some reason, but OP originally stated that the character is a second-generation immigrant, which means his parents were Kenyan, but he himself was born in the UK after they emigrated there. Calling a person born in Britain "African" is more likely to offend them than calling them "black".

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      • @F1Krazy yes I edited it out because Rasdashan misunderstood it that my character noticed him being Kenyan from distance, I thought that might prevail so I edited it out.

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      It depends on the knowledge of the person guessing. For example, a UK white person growing up in an ethnically diverse area of the UK might use a country such as Jamaican, Kenyan, Senegalese. Someone who knows traits might use regions such as West African, Caribbean; or tribes. If they are surrounded by, and are familiar with, one (other), culture then they might use black to try and be polite, (and possibly coloured if elderly and from the UK).






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        I once had a story set in a future setting and my protagonist was an African American teen. In his introduction scene, he and his friend are discussing the school's upcoming production of Shakespeare's "Othello" and my protagonist was being encouraged to go for the titular part (who in modern renditions, is portrayed by someone of African descent). He protested that Iago, the villain (and an Italian/Venitian) was the role he wanted because villains were more fun to play and Iago is Shakespeare's best villain.



        The scene established that the hero was a theater nerd AND if the joke was caught, set up to show that the future society was much more accepting of people of different skin color that the fact that the play is debated to be an early commentary against racism never crosses the minds of kids. Othello was the hero and Iago was a villain.



        Of course, my Beta readers missed the joke (Othello isn't the most well known Shakespeare play) and I had to point out what I was doing. The best advice I got was to make explicit mention of the race, but I couldn't get it worked in because, my narrator and my character didn't think skin color differences were anything of note.






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          If it's not important to the plot, setting, or characterization



          Then don't mention it. Mention relevant details, whether those are age, gender, mean- or friendly-looking, etc.



          If it does matter that the reader knows their skin color



          Then just call them black. Or brown. Or dark-skinned; whatever provides the most important details. If race is a key point, call them black. If sun-burn is going to be a factor, call them dark-skinned, etc. Still include other relevant details like age, gender, clothing, disposition etc. Also describe the other people; if it's important that the elderly man is black, it stands that the skin color of the other two likely matters, whether Caucasian, black, Indian, etc.






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            What race were the women and the girl? Why didn't you mention that?



            Your problem isn't that you're using the term "black." Your problem is that you assume white is the default.





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              It might be more strange if your character instinctively knows the man is Kenyan without knowing who he is. Perhaps he is wearing a small pin in the shape of the Kenyan flag or talking about Kenya’s performance in the World Cup.



              You could have something like this




              I walked towards the trio, who seemed to be having a conversation.
              They all seemed welcoming enough, so I knew I wouldn’t be
              interrupting. A teenage girl and an elderly woman were sitting on the
              log, the man faced them, talking to them. I wondered what part of
              Africa his ancestors came from; might ask him someday. He seemed prosperous and was older,
              possibly retired.




              I have a friend and former coworker from Senegal. His English is excellent, but has a slight French accent since French is spoken in Senegal. You could mention a detail like that - hearing an accent and knowing it sounded X.






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              • Thank you for your answer, that's a very intelligent minimalist way. No, my character does not know it instinctively, it's that later on in the novel she has a conversation with him where he mentions that his ancestors are from Kenya.

                – CreativeKid
                10 hours ago






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                For what it's worth, this may make your narrator seem somewhat naive.Not all black people have African heritage, and in fact large parts of the black community object to African, African American, African British, etc. manhattan-institute.org/html/…

                – Cain
                2 hours ago











              • @Cain True, though it does tell the reader the colour of the character’s skin without the internal confusion of what is the acceptable term - these days. It changes.

                – Rasdashan
                2 hours ago








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                @Rasdashan There's likely a lot of variation based on culture and country here, but I think the above has more confusion without avoiding any potential offense. Many people from northern Africa have Arabic appearances, while a significant portion of South-Africans are Caucasian

                – Cain
                1 hour ago
















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              It might be more strange if your character instinctively knows the man is Kenyan without knowing who he is. Perhaps he is wearing a small pin in the shape of the Kenyan flag or talking about Kenya’s performance in the World Cup.



              You could have something like this




              I walked towards the trio, who seemed to be having a conversation.
              They all seemed welcoming enough, so I knew I wouldn’t be
              interrupting. A teenage girl and an elderly woman were sitting on the
              log, the man faced them, talking to them. I wondered what part of
              Africa his ancestors came from; might ask him someday. He seemed prosperous and was older,
              possibly retired.




              I have a friend and former coworker from Senegal. His English is excellent, but has a slight French accent since French is spoken in Senegal. You could mention a detail like that - hearing an accent and knowing it sounded X.






              share|improve this answer
























              • Thank you for your answer, that's a very intelligent minimalist way. No, my character does not know it instinctively, it's that later on in the novel she has a conversation with him where he mentions that his ancestors are from Kenya.

                – CreativeKid
                10 hours ago






              • 6





                For what it's worth, this may make your narrator seem somewhat naive.Not all black people have African heritage, and in fact large parts of the black community object to African, African American, African British, etc. manhattan-institute.org/html/…

                – Cain
                2 hours ago











              • @Cain True, though it does tell the reader the colour of the character’s skin without the internal confusion of what is the acceptable term - these days. It changes.

                – Rasdashan
                2 hours ago








              • 1





                @Rasdashan There's likely a lot of variation based on culture and country here, but I think the above has more confusion without avoiding any potential offense. Many people from northern Africa have Arabic appearances, while a significant portion of South-Africans are Caucasian

                – Cain
                1 hour ago














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              It might be more strange if your character instinctively knows the man is Kenyan without knowing who he is. Perhaps he is wearing a small pin in the shape of the Kenyan flag or talking about Kenya’s performance in the World Cup.



              You could have something like this




              I walked towards the trio, who seemed to be having a conversation.
              They all seemed welcoming enough, so I knew I wouldn’t be
              interrupting. A teenage girl and an elderly woman were sitting on the
              log, the man faced them, talking to them. I wondered what part of
              Africa his ancestors came from; might ask him someday. He seemed prosperous and was older,
              possibly retired.




              I have a friend and former coworker from Senegal. His English is excellent, but has a slight French accent since French is spoken in Senegal. You could mention a detail like that - hearing an accent and knowing it sounded X.






              share|improve this answer













              It might be more strange if your character instinctively knows the man is Kenyan without knowing who he is. Perhaps he is wearing a small pin in the shape of the Kenyan flag or talking about Kenya’s performance in the World Cup.



              You could have something like this




              I walked towards the trio, who seemed to be having a conversation.
              They all seemed welcoming enough, so I knew I wouldn’t be
              interrupting. A teenage girl and an elderly woman were sitting on the
              log, the man faced them, talking to them. I wondered what part of
              Africa his ancestors came from; might ask him someday. He seemed prosperous and was older,
              possibly retired.




              I have a friend and former coworker from Senegal. His English is excellent, but has a slight French accent since French is spoken in Senegal. You could mention a detail like that - hearing an accent and knowing it sounded X.







              share|improve this answer












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              answered 12 hours ago









              RasdashanRasdashan

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              • Thank you for your answer, that's a very intelligent minimalist way. No, my character does not know it instinctively, it's that later on in the novel she has a conversation with him where he mentions that his ancestors are from Kenya.

                – CreativeKid
                10 hours ago






              • 6





                For what it's worth, this may make your narrator seem somewhat naive.Not all black people have African heritage, and in fact large parts of the black community object to African, African American, African British, etc. manhattan-institute.org/html/…

                – Cain
                2 hours ago











              • @Cain True, though it does tell the reader the colour of the character’s skin without the internal confusion of what is the acceptable term - these days. It changes.

                – Rasdashan
                2 hours ago








              • 1





                @Rasdashan There's likely a lot of variation based on culture and country here, but I think the above has more confusion without avoiding any potential offense. Many people from northern Africa have Arabic appearances, while a significant portion of South-Africans are Caucasian

                – Cain
                1 hour ago



















              • Thank you for your answer, that's a very intelligent minimalist way. No, my character does not know it instinctively, it's that later on in the novel she has a conversation with him where he mentions that his ancestors are from Kenya.

                – CreativeKid
                10 hours ago






              • 6





                For what it's worth, this may make your narrator seem somewhat naive.Not all black people have African heritage, and in fact large parts of the black community object to African, African American, African British, etc. manhattan-institute.org/html/…

                – Cain
                2 hours ago











              • @Cain True, though it does tell the reader the colour of the character’s skin without the internal confusion of what is the acceptable term - these days. It changes.

                – Rasdashan
                2 hours ago








              • 1





                @Rasdashan There's likely a lot of variation based on culture and country here, but I think the above has more confusion without avoiding any potential offense. Many people from northern Africa have Arabic appearances, while a significant portion of South-Africans are Caucasian

                – Cain
                1 hour ago

















              Thank you for your answer, that's a very intelligent minimalist way. No, my character does not know it instinctively, it's that later on in the novel she has a conversation with him where he mentions that his ancestors are from Kenya.

              – CreativeKid
              10 hours ago





              Thank you for your answer, that's a very intelligent minimalist way. No, my character does not know it instinctively, it's that later on in the novel she has a conversation with him where he mentions that his ancestors are from Kenya.

              – CreativeKid
              10 hours ago




              6




              6





              For what it's worth, this may make your narrator seem somewhat naive.Not all black people have African heritage, and in fact large parts of the black community object to African, African American, African British, etc. manhattan-institute.org/html/…

              – Cain
              2 hours ago





              For what it's worth, this may make your narrator seem somewhat naive.Not all black people have African heritage, and in fact large parts of the black community object to African, African American, African British, etc. manhattan-institute.org/html/…

              – Cain
              2 hours ago













              @Cain True, though it does tell the reader the colour of the character’s skin without the internal confusion of what is the acceptable term - these days. It changes.

              – Rasdashan
              2 hours ago







              @Cain True, though it does tell the reader the colour of the character’s skin without the internal confusion of what is the acceptable term - these days. It changes.

              – Rasdashan
              2 hours ago






              1




              1





              @Rasdashan There's likely a lot of variation based on culture and country here, but I think the above has more confusion without avoiding any potential offense. Many people from northern Africa have Arabic appearances, while a significant portion of South-Africans are Caucasian

              – Cain
              1 hour ago





              @Rasdashan There's likely a lot of variation based on culture and country here, but I think the above has more confusion without avoiding any potential offense. Many people from northern Africa have Arabic appearances, while a significant portion of South-Africans are Caucasian

              – Cain
              1 hour ago











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              Describe them.



              There's nothing wrong with mentioning that he is black. However, in that segment, you're missing an opportunity to actually describe them, which will both make for a more interesting read, and illustrate his ethnicity.



              E.g.




              "I walked towards the trio. They were engrossed in a spirited conversation; it was as though they'd known each other forever.
              The first person was a teenage girl. She cocked her head to the side as she listened. Auburn hair fell across her shoulders, muting the bold plaid of her shirt. The woman opposite her gesticulated as she spoke. Dry paint speckled her horn-rimmed glasses. Was she a painter? It was hard to tell. Her clothing matched her hair: mute silver. Hardly a creative choice. The third participant nodded. Lines covered his earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun. He watched the painter with a slow warmth, like an old friend, or perhaps more."







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              • Thank you for the answer, this teaches me a lot about character description. But my character is away from the trio and she won't notice that level of details about them, but I get the gist of the technique, this is helpful.

                – CreativeKid
                10 hours ago






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                A nice description overall, but reading "...earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun" makes me think about an hardened farmer. But maybe it's just me.

                – Liquid
                9 hours ago











              • @Liquid Kinda the point :-) I alluded to personal backstories for each of them.

                – user49466
                4 hours ago
















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              Describe them.



              There's nothing wrong with mentioning that he is black. However, in that segment, you're missing an opportunity to actually describe them, which will both make for a more interesting read, and illustrate his ethnicity.



              E.g.




              "I walked towards the trio. They were engrossed in a spirited conversation; it was as though they'd known each other forever.
              The first person was a teenage girl. She cocked her head to the side as she listened. Auburn hair fell across her shoulders, muting the bold plaid of her shirt. The woman opposite her gesticulated as she spoke. Dry paint speckled her horn-rimmed glasses. Was she a painter? It was hard to tell. Her clothing matched her hair: mute silver. Hardly a creative choice. The third participant nodded. Lines covered his earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun. He watched the painter with a slow warmth, like an old friend, or perhaps more."







              share|improve this answer
























              • Thank you for the answer, this teaches me a lot about character description. But my character is away from the trio and she won't notice that level of details about them, but I get the gist of the technique, this is helpful.

                – CreativeKid
                10 hours ago






              • 18





                A nice description overall, but reading "...earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun" makes me think about an hardened farmer. But maybe it's just me.

                – Liquid
                9 hours ago











              • @Liquid Kinda the point :-) I alluded to personal backstories for each of them.

                – user49466
                4 hours ago














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              17








              17







              Describe them.



              There's nothing wrong with mentioning that he is black. However, in that segment, you're missing an opportunity to actually describe them, which will both make for a more interesting read, and illustrate his ethnicity.



              E.g.




              "I walked towards the trio. They were engrossed in a spirited conversation; it was as though they'd known each other forever.
              The first person was a teenage girl. She cocked her head to the side as she listened. Auburn hair fell across her shoulders, muting the bold plaid of her shirt. The woman opposite her gesticulated as she spoke. Dry paint speckled her horn-rimmed glasses. Was she a painter? It was hard to tell. Her clothing matched her hair: mute silver. Hardly a creative choice. The third participant nodded. Lines covered his earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun. He watched the painter with a slow warmth, like an old friend, or perhaps more."







              share|improve this answer













              Describe them.



              There's nothing wrong with mentioning that he is black. However, in that segment, you're missing an opportunity to actually describe them, which will both make for a more interesting read, and illustrate his ethnicity.



              E.g.




              "I walked towards the trio. They were engrossed in a spirited conversation; it was as though they'd known each other forever.
              The first person was a teenage girl. She cocked her head to the side as she listened. Auburn hair fell across her shoulders, muting the bold plaid of her shirt. The woman opposite her gesticulated as she spoke. Dry paint speckled her horn-rimmed glasses. Was she a painter? It was hard to tell. Her clothing matched her hair: mute silver. Hardly a creative choice. The third participant nodded. Lines covered his earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun. He watched the painter with a slow warmth, like an old friend, or perhaps more."








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              • Thank you for the answer, this teaches me a lot about character description. But my character is away from the trio and she won't notice that level of details about them, but I get the gist of the technique, this is helpful.

                – CreativeKid
                10 hours ago






              • 18





                A nice description overall, but reading "...earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun" makes me think about an hardened farmer. But maybe it's just me.

                – Liquid
                9 hours ago











              • @Liquid Kinda the point :-) I alluded to personal backstories for each of them.

                – user49466
                4 hours ago



















              • Thank you for the answer, this teaches me a lot about character description. But my character is away from the trio and she won't notice that level of details about them, but I get the gist of the technique, this is helpful.

                – CreativeKid
                10 hours ago






              • 18





                A nice description overall, but reading "...earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun" makes me think about an hardened farmer. But maybe it's just me.

                – Liquid
                9 hours ago











              • @Liquid Kinda the point :-) I alluded to personal backstories for each of them.

                – user49466
                4 hours ago

















              Thank you for the answer, this teaches me a lot about character description. But my character is away from the trio and she won't notice that level of details about them, but I get the gist of the technique, this is helpful.

              – CreativeKid
              10 hours ago





              Thank you for the answer, this teaches me a lot about character description. But my character is away from the trio and she won't notice that level of details about them, but I get the gist of the technique, this is helpful.

              – CreativeKid
              10 hours ago




              18




              18





              A nice description overall, but reading "...earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun" makes me think about an hardened farmer. But maybe it's just me.

              – Liquid
              9 hours ago





              A nice description overall, but reading "...earth-brown skin, as though he'd spent long years in the sun" makes me think about an hardened farmer. But maybe it's just me.

              – Liquid
              9 hours ago













              @Liquid Kinda the point :-) I alluded to personal backstories for each of them.

              – user49466
              4 hours ago





              @Liquid Kinda the point :-) I alluded to personal backstories for each of them.

              – user49466
              4 hours ago











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              A few points, in no particular order:




              • "A black man" paints a very different picture from "an elderly black gentleman" or "a tall, black-skinned young man". In the first case, the skin colour is the only thing the narrator sees about the man. That's a bit disconcerting if you look at it like that. In the other examples, skin colour is one of many characteristics, it could have just as easily been "red-haired".

              • You definitely don't want to use 'African' for a person who might have lived in the UK for three generations. Your character doesn't know the person is a foreigner - it's not like the story is set in Russia.

              • As an alternative to 'black', you can use 'dark-skinned'.






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                A few points, in no particular order:




                • "A black man" paints a very different picture from "an elderly black gentleman" or "a tall, black-skinned young man". In the first case, the skin colour is the only thing the narrator sees about the man. That's a bit disconcerting if you look at it like that. In the other examples, skin colour is one of many characteristics, it could have just as easily been "red-haired".

                • You definitely don't want to use 'African' for a person who might have lived in the UK for three generations. Your character doesn't know the person is a foreigner - it's not like the story is set in Russia.

                • As an alternative to 'black', you can use 'dark-skinned'.






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                  A few points, in no particular order:




                  • "A black man" paints a very different picture from "an elderly black gentleman" or "a tall, black-skinned young man". In the first case, the skin colour is the only thing the narrator sees about the man. That's a bit disconcerting if you look at it like that. In the other examples, skin colour is one of many characteristics, it could have just as easily been "red-haired".

                  • You definitely don't want to use 'African' for a person who might have lived in the UK for three generations. Your character doesn't know the person is a foreigner - it's not like the story is set in Russia.

                  • As an alternative to 'black', you can use 'dark-skinned'.






                  share|improve this answer













                  A few points, in no particular order:




                  • "A black man" paints a very different picture from "an elderly black gentleman" or "a tall, black-skinned young man". In the first case, the skin colour is the only thing the narrator sees about the man. That's a bit disconcerting if you look at it like that. In the other examples, skin colour is one of many characteristics, it could have just as easily been "red-haired".

                  • You definitely don't want to use 'African' for a person who might have lived in the UK for three generations. Your character doesn't know the person is a foreigner - it's not like the story is set in Russia.

                  • As an alternative to 'black', you can use 'dark-skinned'.







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                      Just say he is an elderly black man! Since the skin covers most of the body, it would be the first thing the narrator notices about them, especially if they consider the fact worthy of remark (e.g. wondering what part of Africa they are from, per Rasdashan's answer or describing the lines on their skin per user49466's).



                      I don't think there's a need to skirt around something as plain as their skin colour or create mini puzzles for the reader to figure out while they're reading...






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                      • Although I agree with you the narration is done by an Indian woman where she herself is a guest. It would have been passable otherwise as a casual or light remark, but In this case, IMO it would sound impolite.

                        – CreativeKid
                        7 hours ago






                      • 1





                        +1, you shouldn't make your reader do too much work by obscuring details. It's OK to dress things up with extra descriptive language, as long as it doesn't detract from what you're trying to convey. There's only so much effort a reader is willing to put in.

                        – Doctor Jones
                        6 hours ago











                      • @CreativeKid - what do you mean by impolite? Is your quoted text being spoken by the character or is it narration?

                        – colmde
                        5 hours ago








                      • 2





                        @CreativeKid because they are rude names, they are only 1 step away (or beyond) paki.

                        – WendyG
                        4 hours ago






                      • 4





                        @CreativeKid Ahh so you are worried that the word "black" will be considered derogatory by the reader? As far as I'm aware, it is an acceptable word to describe an erm... black person. Though that comes with a disclaimer that I am white...

                        – colmde
                        3 hours ago
















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                      Just say he is an elderly black man! Since the skin covers most of the body, it would be the first thing the narrator notices about them, especially if they consider the fact worthy of remark (e.g. wondering what part of Africa they are from, per Rasdashan's answer or describing the lines on their skin per user49466's).



                      I don't think there's a need to skirt around something as plain as their skin colour or create mini puzzles for the reader to figure out while they're reading...






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                      • Although I agree with you the narration is done by an Indian woman where she herself is a guest. It would have been passable otherwise as a casual or light remark, but In this case, IMO it would sound impolite.

                        – CreativeKid
                        7 hours ago






                      • 1





                        +1, you shouldn't make your reader do too much work by obscuring details. It's OK to dress things up with extra descriptive language, as long as it doesn't detract from what you're trying to convey. There's only so much effort a reader is willing to put in.

                        – Doctor Jones
                        6 hours ago











                      • @CreativeKid - what do you mean by impolite? Is your quoted text being spoken by the character or is it narration?

                        – colmde
                        5 hours ago








                      • 2





                        @CreativeKid because they are rude names, they are only 1 step away (or beyond) paki.

                        – WendyG
                        4 hours ago






                      • 4





                        @CreativeKid Ahh so you are worried that the word "black" will be considered derogatory by the reader? As far as I'm aware, it is an acceptable word to describe an erm... black person. Though that comes with a disclaimer that I am white...

                        – colmde
                        3 hours ago














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                      Just say he is an elderly black man! Since the skin covers most of the body, it would be the first thing the narrator notices about them, especially if they consider the fact worthy of remark (e.g. wondering what part of Africa they are from, per Rasdashan's answer or describing the lines on their skin per user49466's).



                      I don't think there's a need to skirt around something as plain as their skin colour or create mini puzzles for the reader to figure out while they're reading...






                      share|improve this answer













                      Just say he is an elderly black man! Since the skin covers most of the body, it would be the first thing the narrator notices about them, especially if they consider the fact worthy of remark (e.g. wondering what part of Africa they are from, per Rasdashan's answer or describing the lines on their skin per user49466's).



                      I don't think there's a need to skirt around something as plain as their skin colour or create mini puzzles for the reader to figure out while they're reading...







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                      answered 8 hours ago









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                      • Although I agree with you the narration is done by an Indian woman where she herself is a guest. It would have been passable otherwise as a casual or light remark, but In this case, IMO it would sound impolite.

                        – CreativeKid
                        7 hours ago






                      • 1





                        +1, you shouldn't make your reader do too much work by obscuring details. It's OK to dress things up with extra descriptive language, as long as it doesn't detract from what you're trying to convey. There's only so much effort a reader is willing to put in.

                        – Doctor Jones
                        6 hours ago











                      • @CreativeKid - what do you mean by impolite? Is your quoted text being spoken by the character or is it narration?

                        – colmde
                        5 hours ago








                      • 2





                        @CreativeKid because they are rude names, they are only 1 step away (or beyond) paki.

                        – WendyG
                        4 hours ago






                      • 4





                        @CreativeKid Ahh so you are worried that the word "black" will be considered derogatory by the reader? As far as I'm aware, it is an acceptable word to describe an erm... black person. Though that comes with a disclaimer that I am white...

                        – colmde
                        3 hours ago



















                      • Although I agree with you the narration is done by an Indian woman where she herself is a guest. It would have been passable otherwise as a casual or light remark, but In this case, IMO it would sound impolite.

                        – CreativeKid
                        7 hours ago






                      • 1





                        +1, you shouldn't make your reader do too much work by obscuring details. It's OK to dress things up with extra descriptive language, as long as it doesn't detract from what you're trying to convey. There's only so much effort a reader is willing to put in.

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                      • @CreativeKid - what do you mean by impolite? Is your quoted text being spoken by the character or is it narration?

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                        @CreativeKid because they are rude names, they are only 1 step away (or beyond) paki.

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                        @CreativeKid Ahh so you are worried that the word "black" will be considered derogatory by the reader? As far as I'm aware, it is an acceptable word to describe an erm... black person. Though that comes with a disclaimer that I am white...

                        – colmde
                        3 hours ago

















                      Although I agree with you the narration is done by an Indian woman where she herself is a guest. It would have been passable otherwise as a casual or light remark, but In this case, IMO it would sound impolite.

                      – CreativeKid
                      7 hours ago





                      Although I agree with you the narration is done by an Indian woman where she herself is a guest. It would have been passable otherwise as a casual or light remark, but In this case, IMO it would sound impolite.

                      – CreativeKid
                      7 hours ago




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                      +1, you shouldn't make your reader do too much work by obscuring details. It's OK to dress things up with extra descriptive language, as long as it doesn't detract from what you're trying to convey. There's only so much effort a reader is willing to put in.

                      – Doctor Jones
                      6 hours ago





                      +1, you shouldn't make your reader do too much work by obscuring details. It's OK to dress things up with extra descriptive language, as long as it doesn't detract from what you're trying to convey. There's only so much effort a reader is willing to put in.

                      – Doctor Jones
                      6 hours ago













                      @CreativeKid - what do you mean by impolite? Is your quoted text being spoken by the character or is it narration?

                      – colmde
                      5 hours ago







                      @CreativeKid - what do you mean by impolite? Is your quoted text being spoken by the character or is it narration?

                      – colmde
                      5 hours ago






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                      @CreativeKid because they are rude names, they are only 1 step away (or beyond) paki.

                      – WendyG
                      4 hours ago





                      @CreativeKid because they are rude names, they are only 1 step away (or beyond) paki.

                      – WendyG
                      4 hours ago




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                      @CreativeKid Ahh so you are worried that the word "black" will be considered derogatory by the reader? As far as I'm aware, it is an acceptable word to describe an erm... black person. Though that comes with a disclaimer that I am white...

                      – colmde
                      3 hours ago





                      @CreativeKid Ahh so you are worried that the word "black" will be considered derogatory by the reader? As far as I'm aware, it is an acceptable word to describe an erm... black person. Though that comes with a disclaimer that I am white...

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                      There is nothing wrong with being black, and there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black. If your character walks to a bench with an eldery black man sitting on it, write that your character walks to a bench with an eldery black man sitting on it.



                      Skin color is like any other descriptor, and it help your readers identify the character if they don't know their name. For example, if they have an conversation, you can write "And then the black man stood up and left" and the reader will know which character that is, same as if you would describe him as "tall" and then write "And then the tall character stood up and left".



                      Another reason to mention he is black would be if it matters to the story, but that is up to you as a writer.






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                      • yes, it was not about being wrong in being black, it's that I wanted to highlight the event is multiracial so I wanted my character to make a casual reference of that to the reader. Maybe you are right that ' ...there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black', but given the entire set of the plot, to me, it seemed impolite to make a reference to an elderly person like that, but again it's just me.

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                      There is nothing wrong with being black, and there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black. If your character walks to a bench with an eldery black man sitting on it, write that your character walks to a bench with an eldery black man sitting on it.



                      Skin color is like any other descriptor, and it help your readers identify the character if they don't know their name. For example, if they have an conversation, you can write "And then the black man stood up and left" and the reader will know which character that is, same as if you would describe him as "tall" and then write "And then the tall character stood up and left".



                      Another reason to mention he is black would be if it matters to the story, but that is up to you as a writer.






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                      • yes, it was not about being wrong in being black, it's that I wanted to highlight the event is multiracial so I wanted my character to make a casual reference of that to the reader. Maybe you are right that ' ...there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black', but given the entire set of the plot, to me, it seemed impolite to make a reference to an elderly person like that, but again it's just me.

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                      There is nothing wrong with being black, and there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black. If your character walks to a bench with an eldery black man sitting on it, write that your character walks to a bench with an eldery black man sitting on it.



                      Skin color is like any other descriptor, and it help your readers identify the character if they don't know their name. For example, if they have an conversation, you can write "And then the black man stood up and left" and the reader will know which character that is, same as if you would describe him as "tall" and then write "And then the tall character stood up and left".



                      Another reason to mention he is black would be if it matters to the story, but that is up to you as a writer.






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                      There is nothing wrong with being black, and there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black. If your character walks to a bench with an eldery black man sitting on it, write that your character walks to a bench with an eldery black man sitting on it.



                      Skin color is like any other descriptor, and it help your readers identify the character if they don't know their name. For example, if they have an conversation, you can write "And then the black man stood up and left" and the reader will know which character that is, same as if you would describe him as "tall" and then write "And then the tall character stood up and left".



                      Another reason to mention he is black would be if it matters to the story, but that is up to you as a writer.







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                      • yes, it was not about being wrong in being black, it's that I wanted to highlight the event is multiracial so I wanted my character to make a casual reference of that to the reader. Maybe you are right that ' ...there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black', but given the entire set of the plot, to me, it seemed impolite to make a reference to an elderly person like that, but again it's just me.

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                      • yes, it was not about being wrong in being black, it's that I wanted to highlight the event is multiracial so I wanted my character to make a casual reference of that to the reader. Maybe you are right that ' ...there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black', but given the entire set of the plot, to me, it seemed impolite to make a reference to an elderly person like that, but again it's just me.

                        – CreativeKid
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                      yes, it was not about being wrong in being black, it's that I wanted to highlight the event is multiracial so I wanted my character to make a casual reference of that to the reader. Maybe you are right that ' ...there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black', but given the entire set of the plot, to me, it seemed impolite to make a reference to an elderly person like that, but again it's just me.

                      – CreativeKid
                      1 hour ago





                      yes, it was not about being wrong in being black, it's that I wanted to highlight the event is multiracial so I wanted my character to make a casual reference of that to the reader. Maybe you are right that ' ...there is nothing wrong with saying that someone is black', but given the entire set of the plot, to me, it seemed impolite to make a reference to an elderly person like that, but again it's just me.

                      – CreativeKid
                      1 hour ago











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                      A common failure in writing I notice is the over- and under-detailing of people, places, things, and events.



                      If your character is in a high-stress action-scene situation where every second counts, they'll be paying attention to the generally noticeable things such as the area they are in, how many people and of what groups (us vs. them, red vs. blue, etc.) are there, what items they have at their disposal, and what noteworthy things occur (a person firing a gun, glass shattering, the Earth trembling, etc.). A person in a high-stress action-scene situation won't be able to identify the enemy's eye color or minute facial characteristics. They won't notice that there are 7 jacks and a little yellow bouncy ball lying off in a corner. They won't notice that the trees are swaying ever-so-softly.



                      In a calm, relaxed scene, it only makes sense that they'd people-watch, note calming environmental changes, and pick up on details like facial features, diction, and apparel.



                      A great movie to watch in order to see this rule in action is Green Book, which gives you plenty of opportunity to note the high cheek bones, Penny Brown skin tone, the diamond head shape, the prim attire, and the preferential, eloquent diction of the main character, Doctor Donald Shirley. At the same time, with the situation where a police officer pulls the car over in the rain, we can remember what was generally said since our focus is pulled towards the words, but the details of what the racist police officer looks like are easily forgotten. (Whether the story is true or false in how it was told is a separate matter I'd rather not get into.)



                      When it comes to writing, you just need to describe the man based off what you can reasonably assume your character would notice. If you think your character would only notice his skin is black, then call him a black man. If you think your character would see the man in a symphony of purple prose, then describe the man in great detail. As for what he looks like specifically, though... that's on you. It's worth noting, that there is very little obvious difference in facial structure between a black person versus a white person. The things most affected by race are hair, eye, and (obviously) skin color. He can be tall or short, thin or fat. He can have any facial shape, a large or small chin or nose. His lips can be large like the caricatures of ole', or they can be thin like a thread. Describe him as you would any other character, but mention his skin color so that the audience knows. If you do, I recommend doing it in a way where you make it as little about his race as possible, though. For example:




                      And most hauntingly, a twelve-year-old girl from District 11. She has dark brown skin and eyes, but other than that, she's very like Prim in size and demeanor. Only when she mounts the stage and they ask for volunteers, all you can hear is the wind whistling through the decrepit buildings around her. There's no one willing to take her place.




                      This line comes from The Hunger Games and is describing Rue. So many people read this then were outraged when Rue was cast as Amandla Stenberg even though the story says she is a black girl. Why? Because Rue being black wasn't made a big deal of in the text. The fact she was a young girl was more important. The fact she reminded Katniss of Prim overshadowed all mention of skin tone. People forgot she was black and instead viewed her as white, Hispanic, or Asian because her race wasn't a central focus of her character. This is detailing done right. You describe the things your character would see. In Katniss's case, when she looked at Rue, she could only see a little girl who reminded her of her sister. What does your MC see when s/he looks at the man you're trying to describe?






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                        If what I said came across poorly, please let me know. I don't understand why I got a downvote.

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                        Thank you for such a detailed answer it explains to me a lot. In my case, the specific purpose is to make a point the people of different races and ages have arrived at the resort, so I just wanted to casually mention at that point that, she sees a black man talking to two ladies. I upvoted your answer, it was helpful.

                        – CreativeKid
                        7 hours ago






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                        Not my downvote, but it could be that you go on for several paragraphs about generalities before you get to the point that's directly relevant. It takes a while for a reader to understand how what you're saying relates to the question, and what it is you're saying in fact. If someone didn't finish reading, they might downvote for seeming broadness and lack of relevance. You might want to rearrange the answer, so that the last half of it comes first. :-)

                        – Galastel
                        7 hours ago






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                        +1, it's a good example from the Hunger Games. And Rue should have been cast as black, as written.

                        – Amadeus
                        5 hours ago











                      • @CreativeKid Glad you found it insightful.

                        – Sora Tamashii
                        5 hours ago
















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                      A common failure in writing I notice is the over- and under-detailing of people, places, things, and events.



                      If your character is in a high-stress action-scene situation where every second counts, they'll be paying attention to the generally noticeable things such as the area they are in, how many people and of what groups (us vs. them, red vs. blue, etc.) are there, what items they have at their disposal, and what noteworthy things occur (a person firing a gun, glass shattering, the Earth trembling, etc.). A person in a high-stress action-scene situation won't be able to identify the enemy's eye color or minute facial characteristics. They won't notice that there are 7 jacks and a little yellow bouncy ball lying off in a corner. They won't notice that the trees are swaying ever-so-softly.



                      In a calm, relaxed scene, it only makes sense that they'd people-watch, note calming environmental changes, and pick up on details like facial features, diction, and apparel.



                      A great movie to watch in order to see this rule in action is Green Book, which gives you plenty of opportunity to note the high cheek bones, Penny Brown skin tone, the diamond head shape, the prim attire, and the preferential, eloquent diction of the main character, Doctor Donald Shirley. At the same time, with the situation where a police officer pulls the car over in the rain, we can remember what was generally said since our focus is pulled towards the words, but the details of what the racist police officer looks like are easily forgotten. (Whether the story is true or false in how it was told is a separate matter I'd rather not get into.)



                      When it comes to writing, you just need to describe the man based off what you can reasonably assume your character would notice. If you think your character would only notice his skin is black, then call him a black man. If you think your character would see the man in a symphony of purple prose, then describe the man in great detail. As for what he looks like specifically, though... that's on you. It's worth noting, that there is very little obvious difference in facial structure between a black person versus a white person. The things most affected by race are hair, eye, and (obviously) skin color. He can be tall or short, thin or fat. He can have any facial shape, a large or small chin or nose. His lips can be large like the caricatures of ole', or they can be thin like a thread. Describe him as you would any other character, but mention his skin color so that the audience knows. If you do, I recommend doing it in a way where you make it as little about his race as possible, though. For example:




                      And most hauntingly, a twelve-year-old girl from District 11. She has dark brown skin and eyes, but other than that, she's very like Prim in size and demeanor. Only when she mounts the stage and they ask for volunteers, all you can hear is the wind whistling through the decrepit buildings around her. There's no one willing to take her place.




                      This line comes from The Hunger Games and is describing Rue. So many people read this then were outraged when Rue was cast as Amandla Stenberg even though the story says she is a black girl. Why? Because Rue being black wasn't made a big deal of in the text. The fact she was a young girl was more important. The fact she reminded Katniss of Prim overshadowed all mention of skin tone. People forgot she was black and instead viewed her as white, Hispanic, or Asian because her race wasn't a central focus of her character. This is detailing done right. You describe the things your character would see. In Katniss's case, when she looked at Rue, she could only see a little girl who reminded her of her sister. What does your MC see when s/he looks at the man you're trying to describe?






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                        If what I said came across poorly, please let me know. I don't understand why I got a downvote.

                        – Sora Tamashii
                        8 hours ago






                      • 2





                        Thank you for such a detailed answer it explains to me a lot. In my case, the specific purpose is to make a point the people of different races and ages have arrived at the resort, so I just wanted to casually mention at that point that, she sees a black man talking to two ladies. I upvoted your answer, it was helpful.

                        – CreativeKid
                        7 hours ago






                      • 3





                        Not my downvote, but it could be that you go on for several paragraphs about generalities before you get to the point that's directly relevant. It takes a while for a reader to understand how what you're saying relates to the question, and what it is you're saying in fact. If someone didn't finish reading, they might downvote for seeming broadness and lack of relevance. You might want to rearrange the answer, so that the last half of it comes first. :-)

                        – Galastel
                        7 hours ago






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                        +1, it's a good example from the Hunger Games. And Rue should have been cast as black, as written.

                        – Amadeus
                        5 hours ago











                      • @CreativeKid Glad you found it insightful.

                        – Sora Tamashii
                        5 hours ago














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                      A common failure in writing I notice is the over- and under-detailing of people, places, things, and events.



                      If your character is in a high-stress action-scene situation where every second counts, they'll be paying attention to the generally noticeable things such as the area they are in, how many people and of what groups (us vs. them, red vs. blue, etc.) are there, what items they have at their disposal, and what noteworthy things occur (a person firing a gun, glass shattering, the Earth trembling, etc.). A person in a high-stress action-scene situation won't be able to identify the enemy's eye color or minute facial characteristics. They won't notice that there are 7 jacks and a little yellow bouncy ball lying off in a corner. They won't notice that the trees are swaying ever-so-softly.



                      In a calm, relaxed scene, it only makes sense that they'd people-watch, note calming environmental changes, and pick up on details like facial features, diction, and apparel.



                      A great movie to watch in order to see this rule in action is Green Book, which gives you plenty of opportunity to note the high cheek bones, Penny Brown skin tone, the diamond head shape, the prim attire, and the preferential, eloquent diction of the main character, Doctor Donald Shirley. At the same time, with the situation where a police officer pulls the car over in the rain, we can remember what was generally said since our focus is pulled towards the words, but the details of what the racist police officer looks like are easily forgotten. (Whether the story is true or false in how it was told is a separate matter I'd rather not get into.)



                      When it comes to writing, you just need to describe the man based off what you can reasonably assume your character would notice. If you think your character would only notice his skin is black, then call him a black man. If you think your character would see the man in a symphony of purple prose, then describe the man in great detail. As for what he looks like specifically, though... that's on you. It's worth noting, that there is very little obvious difference in facial structure between a black person versus a white person. The things most affected by race are hair, eye, and (obviously) skin color. He can be tall or short, thin or fat. He can have any facial shape, a large or small chin or nose. His lips can be large like the caricatures of ole', or they can be thin like a thread. Describe him as you would any other character, but mention his skin color so that the audience knows. If you do, I recommend doing it in a way where you make it as little about his race as possible, though. For example:




                      And most hauntingly, a twelve-year-old girl from District 11. She has dark brown skin and eyes, but other than that, she's very like Prim in size and demeanor. Only when she mounts the stage and they ask for volunteers, all you can hear is the wind whistling through the decrepit buildings around her. There's no one willing to take her place.




                      This line comes from The Hunger Games and is describing Rue. So many people read this then were outraged when Rue was cast as Amandla Stenberg even though the story says she is a black girl. Why? Because Rue being black wasn't made a big deal of in the text. The fact she was a young girl was more important. The fact she reminded Katniss of Prim overshadowed all mention of skin tone. People forgot she was black and instead viewed her as white, Hispanic, or Asian because her race wasn't a central focus of her character. This is detailing done right. You describe the things your character would see. In Katniss's case, when she looked at Rue, she could only see a little girl who reminded her of her sister. What does your MC see when s/he looks at the man you're trying to describe?






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                      A common failure in writing I notice is the over- and under-detailing of people, places, things, and events.



                      If your character is in a high-stress action-scene situation where every second counts, they'll be paying attention to the generally noticeable things such as the area they are in, how many people and of what groups (us vs. them, red vs. blue, etc.) are there, what items they have at their disposal, and what noteworthy things occur (a person firing a gun, glass shattering, the Earth trembling, etc.). A person in a high-stress action-scene situation won't be able to identify the enemy's eye color or minute facial characteristics. They won't notice that there are 7 jacks and a little yellow bouncy ball lying off in a corner. They won't notice that the trees are swaying ever-so-softly.



                      In a calm, relaxed scene, it only makes sense that they'd people-watch, note calming environmental changes, and pick up on details like facial features, diction, and apparel.



                      A great movie to watch in order to see this rule in action is Green Book, which gives you plenty of opportunity to note the high cheek bones, Penny Brown skin tone, the diamond head shape, the prim attire, and the preferential, eloquent diction of the main character, Doctor Donald Shirley. At the same time, with the situation where a police officer pulls the car over in the rain, we can remember what was generally said since our focus is pulled towards the words, but the details of what the racist police officer looks like are easily forgotten. (Whether the story is true or false in how it was told is a separate matter I'd rather not get into.)



                      When it comes to writing, you just need to describe the man based off what you can reasonably assume your character would notice. If you think your character would only notice his skin is black, then call him a black man. If you think your character would see the man in a symphony of purple prose, then describe the man in great detail. As for what he looks like specifically, though... that's on you. It's worth noting, that there is very little obvious difference in facial structure between a black person versus a white person. The things most affected by race are hair, eye, and (obviously) skin color. He can be tall or short, thin or fat. He can have any facial shape, a large or small chin or nose. His lips can be large like the caricatures of ole', or they can be thin like a thread. Describe him as you would any other character, but mention his skin color so that the audience knows. If you do, I recommend doing it in a way where you make it as little about his race as possible, though. For example:




                      And most hauntingly, a twelve-year-old girl from District 11. She has dark brown skin and eyes, but other than that, she's very like Prim in size and demeanor. Only when she mounts the stage and they ask for volunteers, all you can hear is the wind whistling through the decrepit buildings around her. There's no one willing to take her place.




                      This line comes from The Hunger Games and is describing Rue. So many people read this then were outraged when Rue was cast as Amandla Stenberg even though the story says she is a black girl. Why? Because Rue being black wasn't made a big deal of in the text. The fact she was a young girl was more important. The fact she reminded Katniss of Prim overshadowed all mention of skin tone. People forgot she was black and instead viewed her as white, Hispanic, or Asian because her race wasn't a central focus of her character. This is detailing done right. You describe the things your character would see. In Katniss's case, when she looked at Rue, she could only see a little girl who reminded her of her sister. What does your MC see when s/he looks at the man you're trying to describe?







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                        If what I said came across poorly, please let me know. I don't understand why I got a downvote.

                        – Sora Tamashii
                        8 hours ago






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                        Thank you for such a detailed answer it explains to me a lot. In my case, the specific purpose is to make a point the people of different races and ages have arrived at the resort, so I just wanted to casually mention at that point that, she sees a black man talking to two ladies. I upvoted your answer, it was helpful.

                        – CreativeKid
                        7 hours ago






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                        Not my downvote, but it could be that you go on for several paragraphs about generalities before you get to the point that's directly relevant. It takes a while for a reader to understand how what you're saying relates to the question, and what it is you're saying in fact. If someone didn't finish reading, they might downvote for seeming broadness and lack of relevance. You might want to rearrange the answer, so that the last half of it comes first. :-)

                        – Galastel
                        7 hours ago






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                        +1, it's a good example from the Hunger Games. And Rue should have been cast as black, as written.

                        – Amadeus
                        5 hours ago











                      • @CreativeKid Glad you found it insightful.

                        – Sora Tamashii
                        5 hours ago














                      • 1





                        If what I said came across poorly, please let me know. I don't understand why I got a downvote.

                        – Sora Tamashii
                        8 hours ago






                      • 2





                        Thank you for such a detailed answer it explains to me a lot. In my case, the specific purpose is to make a point the people of different races and ages have arrived at the resort, so I just wanted to casually mention at that point that, she sees a black man talking to two ladies. I upvoted your answer, it was helpful.

                        – CreativeKid
                        7 hours ago






                      • 3





                        Not my downvote, but it could be that you go on for several paragraphs about generalities before you get to the point that's directly relevant. It takes a while for a reader to understand how what you're saying relates to the question, and what it is you're saying in fact. If someone didn't finish reading, they might downvote for seeming broadness and lack of relevance. You might want to rearrange the answer, so that the last half of it comes first. :-)

                        – Galastel
                        7 hours ago






                      • 2





                        +1, it's a good example from the Hunger Games. And Rue should have been cast as black, as written.

                        – Amadeus
                        5 hours ago











                      • @CreativeKid Glad you found it insightful.

                        – Sora Tamashii
                        5 hours ago








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                      If what I said came across poorly, please let me know. I don't understand why I got a downvote.

                      – Sora Tamashii
                      8 hours ago





                      If what I said came across poorly, please let me know. I don't understand why I got a downvote.

                      – Sora Tamashii
                      8 hours ago




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                      Thank you for such a detailed answer it explains to me a lot. In my case, the specific purpose is to make a point the people of different races and ages have arrived at the resort, so I just wanted to casually mention at that point that, she sees a black man talking to two ladies. I upvoted your answer, it was helpful.

                      – CreativeKid
                      7 hours ago





                      Thank you for such a detailed answer it explains to me a lot. In my case, the specific purpose is to make a point the people of different races and ages have arrived at the resort, so I just wanted to casually mention at that point that, she sees a black man talking to two ladies. I upvoted your answer, it was helpful.

                      – CreativeKid
                      7 hours ago




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                      Not my downvote, but it could be that you go on for several paragraphs about generalities before you get to the point that's directly relevant. It takes a while for a reader to understand how what you're saying relates to the question, and what it is you're saying in fact. If someone didn't finish reading, they might downvote for seeming broadness and lack of relevance. You might want to rearrange the answer, so that the last half of it comes first. :-)

                      – Galastel
                      7 hours ago





                      Not my downvote, but it could be that you go on for several paragraphs about generalities before you get to the point that's directly relevant. It takes a while for a reader to understand how what you're saying relates to the question, and what it is you're saying in fact. If someone didn't finish reading, they might downvote for seeming broadness and lack of relevance. You might want to rearrange the answer, so that the last half of it comes first. :-)

                      – Galastel
                      7 hours ago




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                      +1, it's a good example from the Hunger Games. And Rue should have been cast as black, as written.

                      – Amadeus
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                      +1, it's a good example from the Hunger Games. And Rue should have been cast as black, as written.

                      – Amadeus
                      5 hours ago













                      @CreativeKid Glad you found it insightful.

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                      5 hours ago





                      @CreativeKid Glad you found it insightful.

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                      It seems that you want to want to say the simple fact, but afraid that people will be sensitive for that. In that case, you can allude to the skin color by mentioning their origin first. So if it doesn't affect your story much, say that he is a Kenya person, and people will take the skin color for granted.






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                        It seems that you want to want to say the simple fact, but afraid that people will be sensitive for that. In that case, you can allude to the skin color by mentioning their origin first. So if it doesn't affect your story much, say that he is a Kenya person, and people will take the skin color for granted.






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                          It seems that you want to want to say the simple fact, but afraid that people will be sensitive for that. In that case, you can allude to the skin color by mentioning their origin first. So if it doesn't affect your story much, say that he is a Kenya person, and people will take the skin color for granted.






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                          It seems that you want to want to say the simple fact, but afraid that people will be sensitive for that. In that case, you can allude to the skin color by mentioning their origin first. So if it doesn't affect your story much, say that he is a Kenya person, and people will take the skin color for granted.







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                              It depends on your readership.



                              The extreme sensitivity to racial or gender issues is not equally present in all parts of the current (2019) population. Some people would explode on you for calling someone black, others wouldn't even notice it. You even see the different attitudes in the answers given already.



                              So if you know your audience, then your answer depends on that. You don't want to upset them unless it is for making a point, so if you think your audience will be upset, change the term or cushion it with a phrase like




                              ...an elderly man was standing in front of them. John instinctively thought of him as black, then quickly corrected himself and mentally replaced the word with "african".




                              Using such phrases (but not overusing them!) allows you to use the term that is the best description (many african people are more brown than black, and there are white people living in Africa, too) without putting you in the line of fire of social justice warriors.






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                              • Thank you for the answer, I wanted to make a specific point, that different races have come at the place through just a casual remark. Though your answer explains me using phrases. It was helpful +1.

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                                I disagree with calling him African. It's been edited out of the question now for some reason, but OP originally stated that the character is a second-generation immigrant, which means his parents were Kenyan, but he himself was born in the UK after they emigrated there. Calling a person born in Britain "African" is more likely to offend them than calling them "black".

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                              • @F1Krazy yes I edited it out because Rasdashan misunderstood it that my character noticed him being Kenyan from distance, I thought that might prevail so I edited it out.

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                              It depends on your readership.



                              The extreme sensitivity to racial or gender issues is not equally present in all parts of the current (2019) population. Some people would explode on you for calling someone black, others wouldn't even notice it. You even see the different attitudes in the answers given already.



                              So if you know your audience, then your answer depends on that. You don't want to upset them unless it is for making a point, so if you think your audience will be upset, change the term or cushion it with a phrase like




                              ...an elderly man was standing in front of them. John instinctively thought of him as black, then quickly corrected himself and mentally replaced the word with "african".




                              Using such phrases (but not overusing them!) allows you to use the term that is the best description (many african people are more brown than black, and there are white people living in Africa, too) without putting you in the line of fire of social justice warriors.






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                                I disagree with calling him African. It's been edited out of the question now for some reason, but OP originally stated that the character is a second-generation immigrant, which means his parents were Kenyan, but he himself was born in the UK after they emigrated there. Calling a person born in Britain "African" is more likely to offend them than calling them "black".

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                              • @F1Krazy yes I edited it out because Rasdashan misunderstood it that my character noticed him being Kenyan from distance, I thought that might prevail so I edited it out.

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                              It depends on your readership.



                              The extreme sensitivity to racial or gender issues is not equally present in all parts of the current (2019) population. Some people would explode on you for calling someone black, others wouldn't even notice it. You even see the different attitudes in the answers given already.



                              So if you know your audience, then your answer depends on that. You don't want to upset them unless it is for making a point, so if you think your audience will be upset, change the term or cushion it with a phrase like




                              ...an elderly man was standing in front of them. John instinctively thought of him as black, then quickly corrected himself and mentally replaced the word with "african".




                              Using such phrases (but not overusing them!) allows you to use the term that is the best description (many african people are more brown than black, and there are white people living in Africa, too) without putting you in the line of fire of social justice warriors.






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                              It depends on your readership.



                              The extreme sensitivity to racial or gender issues is not equally present in all parts of the current (2019) population. Some people would explode on you for calling someone black, others wouldn't even notice it. You even see the different attitudes in the answers given already.



                              So if you know your audience, then your answer depends on that. You don't want to upset them unless it is for making a point, so if you think your audience will be upset, change the term or cushion it with a phrase like




                              ...an elderly man was standing in front of them. John instinctively thought of him as black, then quickly corrected himself and mentally replaced the word with "african".




                              Using such phrases (but not overusing them!) allows you to use the term that is the best description (many african people are more brown than black, and there are white people living in Africa, too) without putting you in the line of fire of social justice warriors.







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                                I disagree with calling him African. It's been edited out of the question now for some reason, but OP originally stated that the character is a second-generation immigrant, which means his parents were Kenyan, but he himself was born in the UK after they emigrated there. Calling a person born in Britain "African" is more likely to offend them than calling them "black".

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                              • @F1Krazy yes I edited it out because Rasdashan misunderstood it that my character noticed him being Kenyan from distance, I thought that might prevail so I edited it out.

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                              • Thank you for the answer, I wanted to make a specific point, that different races have come at the place through just a casual remark. Though your answer explains me using phrases. It was helpful +1.

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                                I disagree with calling him African. It's been edited out of the question now for some reason, but OP originally stated that the character is a second-generation immigrant, which means his parents were Kenyan, but he himself was born in the UK after they emigrated there. Calling a person born in Britain "African" is more likely to offend them than calling them "black".

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                              • @F1Krazy yes I edited it out because Rasdashan misunderstood it that my character noticed him being Kenyan from distance, I thought that might prevail so I edited it out.

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                              Thank you for the answer, I wanted to make a specific point, that different races have come at the place through just a casual remark. Though your answer explains me using phrases. It was helpful +1.

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                              Thank you for the answer, I wanted to make a specific point, that different races have come at the place through just a casual remark. Though your answer explains me using phrases. It was helpful +1.

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                              I disagree with calling him African. It's been edited out of the question now for some reason, but OP originally stated that the character is a second-generation immigrant, which means his parents were Kenyan, but he himself was born in the UK after they emigrated there. Calling a person born in Britain "African" is more likely to offend them than calling them "black".

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                              6 hours ago





                              I disagree with calling him African. It's been edited out of the question now for some reason, but OP originally stated that the character is a second-generation immigrant, which means his parents were Kenyan, but he himself was born in the UK after they emigrated there. Calling a person born in Britain "African" is more likely to offend them than calling them "black".

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                              @F1Krazy yes I edited it out because Rasdashan misunderstood it that my character noticed him being Kenyan from distance, I thought that might prevail so I edited it out.

                              – CreativeKid
                              1 hour ago





                              @F1Krazy yes I edited it out because Rasdashan misunderstood it that my character noticed him being Kenyan from distance, I thought that might prevail so I edited it out.

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                              It depends on the knowledge of the person guessing. For example, a UK white person growing up in an ethnically diverse area of the UK might use a country such as Jamaican, Kenyan, Senegalese. Someone who knows traits might use regions such as West African, Caribbean; or tribes. If they are surrounded by, and are familiar with, one (other), culture then they might use black to try and be polite, (and possibly coloured if elderly and from the UK).






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                                It depends on the knowledge of the person guessing. For example, a UK white person growing up in an ethnically diverse area of the UK might use a country such as Jamaican, Kenyan, Senegalese. Someone who knows traits might use regions such as West African, Caribbean; or tribes. If they are surrounded by, and are familiar with, one (other), culture then they might use black to try and be polite, (and possibly coloured if elderly and from the UK).






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                                  It depends on the knowledge of the person guessing. For example, a UK white person growing up in an ethnically diverse area of the UK might use a country such as Jamaican, Kenyan, Senegalese. Someone who knows traits might use regions such as West African, Caribbean; or tribes. If they are surrounded by, and are familiar with, one (other), culture then they might use black to try and be polite, (and possibly coloured if elderly and from the UK).






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                                  It depends on the knowledge of the person guessing. For example, a UK white person growing up in an ethnically diverse area of the UK might use a country such as Jamaican, Kenyan, Senegalese. Someone who knows traits might use regions such as West African, Caribbean; or tribes. If they are surrounded by, and are familiar with, one (other), culture then they might use black to try and be polite, (and possibly coloured if elderly and from the UK).







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                                      I once had a story set in a future setting and my protagonist was an African American teen. In his introduction scene, he and his friend are discussing the school's upcoming production of Shakespeare's "Othello" and my protagonist was being encouraged to go for the titular part (who in modern renditions, is portrayed by someone of African descent). He protested that Iago, the villain (and an Italian/Venitian) was the role he wanted because villains were more fun to play and Iago is Shakespeare's best villain.



                                      The scene established that the hero was a theater nerd AND if the joke was caught, set up to show that the future society was much more accepting of people of different skin color that the fact that the play is debated to be an early commentary against racism never crosses the minds of kids. Othello was the hero and Iago was a villain.



                                      Of course, my Beta readers missed the joke (Othello isn't the most well known Shakespeare play) and I had to point out what I was doing. The best advice I got was to make explicit mention of the race, but I couldn't get it worked in because, my narrator and my character didn't think skin color differences were anything of note.






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                                        I once had a story set in a future setting and my protagonist was an African American teen. In his introduction scene, he and his friend are discussing the school's upcoming production of Shakespeare's "Othello" and my protagonist was being encouraged to go for the titular part (who in modern renditions, is portrayed by someone of African descent). He protested that Iago, the villain (and an Italian/Venitian) was the role he wanted because villains were more fun to play and Iago is Shakespeare's best villain.



                                        The scene established that the hero was a theater nerd AND if the joke was caught, set up to show that the future society was much more accepting of people of different skin color that the fact that the play is debated to be an early commentary against racism never crosses the minds of kids. Othello was the hero and Iago was a villain.



                                        Of course, my Beta readers missed the joke (Othello isn't the most well known Shakespeare play) and I had to point out what I was doing. The best advice I got was to make explicit mention of the race, but I couldn't get it worked in because, my narrator and my character didn't think skin color differences were anything of note.






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                                          I once had a story set in a future setting and my protagonist was an African American teen. In his introduction scene, he and his friend are discussing the school's upcoming production of Shakespeare's "Othello" and my protagonist was being encouraged to go for the titular part (who in modern renditions, is portrayed by someone of African descent). He protested that Iago, the villain (and an Italian/Venitian) was the role he wanted because villains were more fun to play and Iago is Shakespeare's best villain.



                                          The scene established that the hero was a theater nerd AND if the joke was caught, set up to show that the future society was much more accepting of people of different skin color that the fact that the play is debated to be an early commentary against racism never crosses the minds of kids. Othello was the hero and Iago was a villain.



                                          Of course, my Beta readers missed the joke (Othello isn't the most well known Shakespeare play) and I had to point out what I was doing. The best advice I got was to make explicit mention of the race, but I couldn't get it worked in because, my narrator and my character didn't think skin color differences were anything of note.






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                                          I once had a story set in a future setting and my protagonist was an African American teen. In his introduction scene, he and his friend are discussing the school's upcoming production of Shakespeare's "Othello" and my protagonist was being encouraged to go for the titular part (who in modern renditions, is portrayed by someone of African descent). He protested that Iago, the villain (and an Italian/Venitian) was the role he wanted because villains were more fun to play and Iago is Shakespeare's best villain.



                                          The scene established that the hero was a theater nerd AND if the joke was caught, set up to show that the future society was much more accepting of people of different skin color that the fact that the play is debated to be an early commentary against racism never crosses the minds of kids. Othello was the hero and Iago was a villain.



                                          Of course, my Beta readers missed the joke (Othello isn't the most well known Shakespeare play) and I had to point out what I was doing. The best advice I got was to make explicit mention of the race, but I couldn't get it worked in because, my narrator and my character didn't think skin color differences were anything of note.







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                                              Then don't mention it. Mention relevant details, whether those are age, gender, mean- or friendly-looking, etc.



                                              If it does matter that the reader knows their skin color



                                              Then just call them black. Or brown. Or dark-skinned; whatever provides the most important details. If race is a key point, call them black. If sun-burn is going to be a factor, call them dark-skinned, etc. Still include other relevant details like age, gender, clothing, disposition etc. Also describe the other people; if it's important that the elderly man is black, it stands that the skin color of the other two likely matters, whether Caucasian, black, Indian, etc.






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                                                Then don't mention it. Mention relevant details, whether those are age, gender, mean- or friendly-looking, etc.



                                                If it does matter that the reader knows their skin color



                                                Then just call them black. Or brown. Or dark-skinned; whatever provides the most important details. If race is a key point, call them black. If sun-burn is going to be a factor, call them dark-skinned, etc. Still include other relevant details like age, gender, clothing, disposition etc. Also describe the other people; if it's important that the elderly man is black, it stands that the skin color of the other two likely matters, whether Caucasian, black, Indian, etc.






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                                                  Then don't mention it. Mention relevant details, whether those are age, gender, mean- or friendly-looking, etc.



                                                  If it does matter that the reader knows their skin color



                                                  Then just call them black. Or brown. Or dark-skinned; whatever provides the most important details. If race is a key point, call them black. If sun-burn is going to be a factor, call them dark-skinned, etc. Still include other relevant details like age, gender, clothing, disposition etc. Also describe the other people; if it's important that the elderly man is black, it stands that the skin color of the other two likely matters, whether Caucasian, black, Indian, etc.






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                                                  If it does matter that the reader knows their skin color



                                                  Then just call them black. Or brown. Or dark-skinned; whatever provides the most important details. If race is a key point, call them black. If sun-burn is going to be a factor, call them dark-skinned, etc. Still include other relevant details like age, gender, clothing, disposition etc. Also describe the other people; if it's important that the elderly man is black, it stands that the skin color of the other two likely matters, whether Caucasian, black, Indian, etc.







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                                                      What race were the women and the girl? Why didn't you mention that?



                                                      Your problem isn't that you're using the term "black." Your problem is that you assume white is the default.





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