Why does Locutus refer to Riker as “Number One?”
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When Captain Picard was assimilated by the Borg, he lost his prior identity. He obviously was no longer on the side of the Federation, as he was actively working against it. And yet he still referred to Commander Riker as "Number One," as though that relationship continued, which, of course, wasn't true. Riker wasn't Locutus' Number One.
Is there an explanation for this?
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When Captain Picard was assimilated by the Borg, he lost his prior identity. He obviously was no longer on the side of the Federation, as he was actively working against it. And yet he still referred to Commander Riker as "Number One," as though that relationship continued, which, of course, wasn't true. Riker wasn't Locutus' Number One.
Is there an explanation for this?
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When Captain Picard was assimilated by the Borg, he lost his prior identity. He obviously was no longer on the side of the Federation, as he was actively working against it. And yet he still referred to Commander Riker as "Number One," as though that relationship continued, which, of course, wasn't true. Riker wasn't Locutus' Number One.
Is there an explanation for this?
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When Captain Picard was assimilated by the Borg, he lost his prior identity. He obviously was no longer on the side of the Federation, as he was actively working against it. And yet he still referred to Commander Riker as "Number One," as though that relationship continued, which, of course, wasn't true. Riker wasn't Locutus' Number One.
Is there an explanation for this?
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Locutus is demonstrating to Riker that not only does he have Picard's tactical knowledge (of the Federation's defences) but that they also possess his personal memories.
The show script makes it abundantly clear that referring to Riker as "Number One" is their way of stressing the futility of resistance and attempting to unnerve Riker at the same time.
RIKER : (unbelievable) They couldn't have adapted that quickly...
LOCUTUS : (on the contrary) The knowledge and experience of the human Picard is part of... us now. It has prepared us for all possible
courses of action. Your resistance is hopeless (beat) Number One.
And on the frightening intimacy of the moment...on Riker's reaction...
In the subsequent episode, TNG : Family we learn that the Borg had complete access to his memories but also total control over his actions. His attempts to resist were utterly ineffectual:
PICARD : You don't know, Robert. You don't know. They took everything I was. They used me to kill and destroy. And I could
not stop them. I should have been able to stop them.
I tried... I tried... so hard...but I just wasn't strong enough. Not good enough. I should have been able to stop them. I should have been
able to...
1
Ok, thanks, Richard.
– user30592
Nov 12 '14 at 23:45
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That was the whole point.
The Borg specifically said that they assimilated Picard so that he could speak for them and facilitate Humanity's assimilation. In ST: First Contact they expanded upon this by revealing that the Queen wanted "a counterpart," but even in Locutus's first appearance his role is clearly more than that of a simple Borg Drone. He is supposed to be, in a twisted Borg sort of way, almost an ambassador, or perhaps a provincial administrator for a conquered territory. Picard later refers to Locutus as a "liason."
That means the Borg don't just want to take his raw knowledge, they also wanted him to serve as an intermediary or spokesman of sorts. Given that objective, it makes sense to refer to Riker in a way that Picard would naturally. Dropping the familiarity and personal knowledge that Picard held would have defeated the entire purpose of Picard's assimilation. They could hack a terminal if they just wanted everyone's names, and they'd already ordered the Enterprise to stand down and be assimilated through an impersonal audio communication. It didn't work, so they were changing tactics.
The Borg didn't want "Drone 89240931 of 95152645" to talk to "Commander William Thomas Riker of the United Federation of Planets."
They wanted Locutus to talk to his Number One.
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I'd like to add that another motivation for putting Picard at the fore of the Borg's activities is likely because he's well-respected within both Starfleet and the Federation- so they may have decided he was the perfect candidate to get people to surrender. Kind of a "I was wrong, the Borg's great, come join us!" type thing. Of course, preserving some of his personality/habits is important if they do that. And certainly since they have him on hand, he's the best man to get Riker to stand down.
– PointlessSpike
Nov 13 '14 at 8:26
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Note that "locutus" is Latin for "speaker," more or less.
– user1786
Nov 13 '14 at 21:40
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There are a number of things this can be taken to imply, but I will point out two.
That Picard was resisting assimilation
One interpretation, and I believe the one that is intended, is that Picard was so strong willed that the attempts to suppress his identity were, at the very least, incomplete. This is later supported by Picard aiding in disabling the Borg later in the 2-parter.
That Picard had so engrained the identity of Riker as "Number One" in his mind, that the collective understands this as the commander's name
This makes the most logical sense to me. Picard was targeted for assimilation specifically for his knowledge of the Federation and humanity, to aid in the assimilation of the same. It is not that far of a stretch to believe that the Borg prioritized Picard's perception, of Riker in this case, over its own observations. This would include calling him "Number One"
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Neither of these points seem likely. Picard (when talking to his brother) makes it clear that he was totally at the mercy of the Borg; youtube.com/watch?v=V9MtVv3z21w. The Borg would also be very well aware of Riker's name.
– Valorum
Nov 12 '14 at 23:11
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Also - Number One sounds like a Borg designation...
– HorusKol
Nov 12 '14 at 23:25
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I've always understood it to be the second one. They're being efficient by using the designation at the top of Picard's mind, rather than spending any amount of effort to find Riker's real name
– Izkata
Nov 12 '14 at 23:57
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These are certainly plausible, but the most plausible explanation is to show the Enterprise just how hopeless their situation is by using a personal nickname to demoralize the bridge crew. Resistance is futile, after all.
– Ellesedil
Nov 12 '14 at 23:58
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@Tritium21 - The borg Queen uses precisely the same tactic to unnerve Janeway when she tells Kim that she'll "see him soon".
– Valorum
Nov 13 '14 at 0:37
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The first poster is partly right, but the key point is that Picard, unbeknownst to the Borg, was communicating to Riker that he was still "there". Because of what the first poster said, the Borg did not catch on to this.
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I disagree. There's no indication that Picard had any level of control. The script and the subsequence episode don't bear out your interpretation.
– Valorum
Nov 15 '14 at 23:52
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You guys are getting it wrong. The obvious reason was that Locutus wanted to disrespect Riker's status as captain now.
He knew Riker was in command of the ship, and Locutus made that remark as a swipe to him.
Riker wasn't scared when he said that. His expression was one of, "How dare you disrespect my status as captain!"
For someone who was rather an emotionaless borg, Locutus seems to remain human in a rather devilish way
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Can you offer any evidence to back up this bold assertion or is it simply your own headcanon?
– Valorum
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Locutus is demonstrating to Riker that not only does he have Picard's tactical knowledge (of the Federation's defences) but that they also possess his personal memories.
The show script makes it abundantly clear that referring to Riker as "Number One" is their way of stressing the futility of resistance and attempting to unnerve Riker at the same time.
RIKER : (unbelievable) They couldn't have adapted that quickly...
LOCUTUS : (on the contrary) The knowledge and experience of the human Picard is part of... us now. It has prepared us for all possible
courses of action. Your resistance is hopeless (beat) Number One.
And on the frightening intimacy of the moment...on Riker's reaction...
In the subsequent episode, TNG : Family we learn that the Borg had complete access to his memories but also total control over his actions. His attempts to resist were utterly ineffectual:
PICARD : You don't know, Robert. You don't know. They took everything I was. They used me to kill and destroy. And I could
not stop them. I should have been able to stop them.
I tried... I tried... so hard...but I just wasn't strong enough. Not good enough. I should have been able to stop them. I should have been
able to...
1
Ok, thanks, Richard.
– user30592
Nov 12 '14 at 23:45
add a comment |
Locutus is demonstrating to Riker that not only does he have Picard's tactical knowledge (of the Federation's defences) but that they also possess his personal memories.
The show script makes it abundantly clear that referring to Riker as "Number One" is their way of stressing the futility of resistance and attempting to unnerve Riker at the same time.
RIKER : (unbelievable) They couldn't have adapted that quickly...
LOCUTUS : (on the contrary) The knowledge and experience of the human Picard is part of... us now. It has prepared us for all possible
courses of action. Your resistance is hopeless (beat) Number One.
And on the frightening intimacy of the moment...on Riker's reaction...
In the subsequent episode, TNG : Family we learn that the Borg had complete access to his memories but also total control over his actions. His attempts to resist were utterly ineffectual:
PICARD : You don't know, Robert. You don't know. They took everything I was. They used me to kill and destroy. And I could
not stop them. I should have been able to stop them.
I tried... I tried... so hard...but I just wasn't strong enough. Not good enough. I should have been able to stop them. I should have been
able to...
1
Ok, thanks, Richard.
– user30592
Nov 12 '14 at 23:45
add a comment |
Locutus is demonstrating to Riker that not only does he have Picard's tactical knowledge (of the Federation's defences) but that they also possess his personal memories.
The show script makes it abundantly clear that referring to Riker as "Number One" is their way of stressing the futility of resistance and attempting to unnerve Riker at the same time.
RIKER : (unbelievable) They couldn't have adapted that quickly...
LOCUTUS : (on the contrary) The knowledge and experience of the human Picard is part of... us now. It has prepared us for all possible
courses of action. Your resistance is hopeless (beat) Number One.
And on the frightening intimacy of the moment...on Riker's reaction...
In the subsequent episode, TNG : Family we learn that the Borg had complete access to his memories but also total control over his actions. His attempts to resist were utterly ineffectual:
PICARD : You don't know, Robert. You don't know. They took everything I was. They used me to kill and destroy. And I could
not stop them. I should have been able to stop them.
I tried... I tried... so hard...but I just wasn't strong enough. Not good enough. I should have been able to stop them. I should have been
able to...
Locutus is demonstrating to Riker that not only does he have Picard's tactical knowledge (of the Federation's defences) but that they also possess his personal memories.
The show script makes it abundantly clear that referring to Riker as "Number One" is their way of stressing the futility of resistance and attempting to unnerve Riker at the same time.
RIKER : (unbelievable) They couldn't have adapted that quickly...
LOCUTUS : (on the contrary) The knowledge and experience of the human Picard is part of... us now. It has prepared us for all possible
courses of action. Your resistance is hopeless (beat) Number One.
And on the frightening intimacy of the moment...on Riker's reaction...
In the subsequent episode, TNG : Family we learn that the Borg had complete access to his memories but also total control over his actions. His attempts to resist were utterly ineffectual:
PICARD : You don't know, Robert. You don't know. They took everything I was. They used me to kill and destroy. And I could
not stop them. I should have been able to stop them.
I tried... I tried... so hard...but I just wasn't strong enough. Not good enough. I should have been able to stop them. I should have been
able to...
edited Nov 16 '14 at 20:44
answered Nov 12 '14 at 23:30
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Ok, thanks, Richard.
– user30592
Nov 12 '14 at 23:45
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Ok, thanks, Richard.
– user30592
Nov 12 '14 at 23:45
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Ok, thanks, Richard.
– user30592
Nov 12 '14 at 23:45
Ok, thanks, Richard.
– user30592
Nov 12 '14 at 23:45
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That was the whole point.
The Borg specifically said that they assimilated Picard so that he could speak for them and facilitate Humanity's assimilation. In ST: First Contact they expanded upon this by revealing that the Queen wanted "a counterpart," but even in Locutus's first appearance his role is clearly more than that of a simple Borg Drone. He is supposed to be, in a twisted Borg sort of way, almost an ambassador, or perhaps a provincial administrator for a conquered territory. Picard later refers to Locutus as a "liason."
That means the Borg don't just want to take his raw knowledge, they also wanted him to serve as an intermediary or spokesman of sorts. Given that objective, it makes sense to refer to Riker in a way that Picard would naturally. Dropping the familiarity and personal knowledge that Picard held would have defeated the entire purpose of Picard's assimilation. They could hack a terminal if they just wanted everyone's names, and they'd already ordered the Enterprise to stand down and be assimilated through an impersonal audio communication. It didn't work, so they were changing tactics.
The Borg didn't want "Drone 89240931 of 95152645" to talk to "Commander William Thomas Riker of the United Federation of Planets."
They wanted Locutus to talk to his Number One.
6
I'd like to add that another motivation for putting Picard at the fore of the Borg's activities is likely because he's well-respected within both Starfleet and the Federation- so they may have decided he was the perfect candidate to get people to surrender. Kind of a "I was wrong, the Borg's great, come join us!" type thing. Of course, preserving some of his personality/habits is important if they do that. And certainly since they have him on hand, he's the best man to get Riker to stand down.
– PointlessSpike
Nov 13 '14 at 8:26
3
Note that "locutus" is Latin for "speaker," more or less.
– user1786
Nov 13 '14 at 21:40
add a comment |
That was the whole point.
The Borg specifically said that they assimilated Picard so that he could speak for them and facilitate Humanity's assimilation. In ST: First Contact they expanded upon this by revealing that the Queen wanted "a counterpart," but even in Locutus's first appearance his role is clearly more than that of a simple Borg Drone. He is supposed to be, in a twisted Borg sort of way, almost an ambassador, or perhaps a provincial administrator for a conquered territory. Picard later refers to Locutus as a "liason."
That means the Borg don't just want to take his raw knowledge, they also wanted him to serve as an intermediary or spokesman of sorts. Given that objective, it makes sense to refer to Riker in a way that Picard would naturally. Dropping the familiarity and personal knowledge that Picard held would have defeated the entire purpose of Picard's assimilation. They could hack a terminal if they just wanted everyone's names, and they'd already ordered the Enterprise to stand down and be assimilated through an impersonal audio communication. It didn't work, so they were changing tactics.
The Borg didn't want "Drone 89240931 of 95152645" to talk to "Commander William Thomas Riker of the United Federation of Planets."
They wanted Locutus to talk to his Number One.
6
I'd like to add that another motivation for putting Picard at the fore of the Borg's activities is likely because he's well-respected within both Starfleet and the Federation- so they may have decided he was the perfect candidate to get people to surrender. Kind of a "I was wrong, the Borg's great, come join us!" type thing. Of course, preserving some of his personality/habits is important if they do that. And certainly since they have him on hand, he's the best man to get Riker to stand down.
– PointlessSpike
Nov 13 '14 at 8:26
3
Note that "locutus" is Latin for "speaker," more or less.
– user1786
Nov 13 '14 at 21:40
add a comment |
That was the whole point.
The Borg specifically said that they assimilated Picard so that he could speak for them and facilitate Humanity's assimilation. In ST: First Contact they expanded upon this by revealing that the Queen wanted "a counterpart," but even in Locutus's first appearance his role is clearly more than that of a simple Borg Drone. He is supposed to be, in a twisted Borg sort of way, almost an ambassador, or perhaps a provincial administrator for a conquered territory. Picard later refers to Locutus as a "liason."
That means the Borg don't just want to take his raw knowledge, they also wanted him to serve as an intermediary or spokesman of sorts. Given that objective, it makes sense to refer to Riker in a way that Picard would naturally. Dropping the familiarity and personal knowledge that Picard held would have defeated the entire purpose of Picard's assimilation. They could hack a terminal if they just wanted everyone's names, and they'd already ordered the Enterprise to stand down and be assimilated through an impersonal audio communication. It didn't work, so they were changing tactics.
The Borg didn't want "Drone 89240931 of 95152645" to talk to "Commander William Thomas Riker of the United Federation of Planets."
They wanted Locutus to talk to his Number One.
That was the whole point.
The Borg specifically said that they assimilated Picard so that he could speak for them and facilitate Humanity's assimilation. In ST: First Contact they expanded upon this by revealing that the Queen wanted "a counterpart," but even in Locutus's first appearance his role is clearly more than that of a simple Borg Drone. He is supposed to be, in a twisted Borg sort of way, almost an ambassador, or perhaps a provincial administrator for a conquered territory. Picard later refers to Locutus as a "liason."
That means the Borg don't just want to take his raw knowledge, they also wanted him to serve as an intermediary or spokesman of sorts. Given that objective, it makes sense to refer to Riker in a way that Picard would naturally. Dropping the familiarity and personal knowledge that Picard held would have defeated the entire purpose of Picard's assimilation. They could hack a terminal if they just wanted everyone's names, and they'd already ordered the Enterprise to stand down and be assimilated through an impersonal audio communication. It didn't work, so they were changing tactics.
The Borg didn't want "Drone 89240931 of 95152645" to talk to "Commander William Thomas Riker of the United Federation of Planets."
They wanted Locutus to talk to his Number One.
edited Nov 13 '14 at 17:08
answered Nov 13 '14 at 1:18
NerrolkenNerrolken
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I'd like to add that another motivation for putting Picard at the fore of the Borg's activities is likely because he's well-respected within both Starfleet and the Federation- so they may have decided he was the perfect candidate to get people to surrender. Kind of a "I was wrong, the Borg's great, come join us!" type thing. Of course, preserving some of his personality/habits is important if they do that. And certainly since they have him on hand, he's the best man to get Riker to stand down.
– PointlessSpike
Nov 13 '14 at 8:26
3
Note that "locutus" is Latin for "speaker," more or less.
– user1786
Nov 13 '14 at 21:40
add a comment |
6
I'd like to add that another motivation for putting Picard at the fore of the Borg's activities is likely because he's well-respected within both Starfleet and the Federation- so they may have decided he was the perfect candidate to get people to surrender. Kind of a "I was wrong, the Borg's great, come join us!" type thing. Of course, preserving some of his personality/habits is important if they do that. And certainly since they have him on hand, he's the best man to get Riker to stand down.
– PointlessSpike
Nov 13 '14 at 8:26
3
Note that "locutus" is Latin for "speaker," more or less.
– user1786
Nov 13 '14 at 21:40
6
6
I'd like to add that another motivation for putting Picard at the fore of the Borg's activities is likely because he's well-respected within both Starfleet and the Federation- so they may have decided he was the perfect candidate to get people to surrender. Kind of a "I was wrong, the Borg's great, come join us!" type thing. Of course, preserving some of his personality/habits is important if they do that. And certainly since they have him on hand, he's the best man to get Riker to stand down.
– PointlessSpike
Nov 13 '14 at 8:26
I'd like to add that another motivation for putting Picard at the fore of the Borg's activities is likely because he's well-respected within both Starfleet and the Federation- so they may have decided he was the perfect candidate to get people to surrender. Kind of a "I was wrong, the Borg's great, come join us!" type thing. Of course, preserving some of his personality/habits is important if they do that. And certainly since they have him on hand, he's the best man to get Riker to stand down.
– PointlessSpike
Nov 13 '14 at 8:26
3
3
Note that "locutus" is Latin for "speaker," more or less.
– user1786
Nov 13 '14 at 21:40
Note that "locutus" is Latin for "speaker," more or less.
– user1786
Nov 13 '14 at 21:40
add a comment |
There are a number of things this can be taken to imply, but I will point out two.
That Picard was resisting assimilation
One interpretation, and I believe the one that is intended, is that Picard was so strong willed that the attempts to suppress his identity were, at the very least, incomplete. This is later supported by Picard aiding in disabling the Borg later in the 2-parter.
That Picard had so engrained the identity of Riker as "Number One" in his mind, that the collective understands this as the commander's name
This makes the most logical sense to me. Picard was targeted for assimilation specifically for his knowledge of the Federation and humanity, to aid in the assimilation of the same. It is not that far of a stretch to believe that the Borg prioritized Picard's perception, of Riker in this case, over its own observations. This would include calling him "Number One"
5
Neither of these points seem likely. Picard (when talking to his brother) makes it clear that he was totally at the mercy of the Borg; youtube.com/watch?v=V9MtVv3z21w. The Borg would also be very well aware of Riker's name.
– Valorum
Nov 12 '14 at 23:11
7
Also - Number One sounds like a Borg designation...
– HorusKol
Nov 12 '14 at 23:25
1
I've always understood it to be the second one. They're being efficient by using the designation at the top of Picard's mind, rather than spending any amount of effort to find Riker's real name
– Izkata
Nov 12 '14 at 23:57
1
These are certainly plausible, but the most plausible explanation is to show the Enterprise just how hopeless their situation is by using a personal nickname to demoralize the bridge crew. Resistance is futile, after all.
– Ellesedil
Nov 12 '14 at 23:58
3
@Tritium21 - The borg Queen uses precisely the same tactic to unnerve Janeway when she tells Kim that she'll "see him soon".
– Valorum
Nov 13 '14 at 0:37
|
show 6 more comments
There are a number of things this can be taken to imply, but I will point out two.
That Picard was resisting assimilation
One interpretation, and I believe the one that is intended, is that Picard was so strong willed that the attempts to suppress his identity were, at the very least, incomplete. This is later supported by Picard aiding in disabling the Borg later in the 2-parter.
That Picard had so engrained the identity of Riker as "Number One" in his mind, that the collective understands this as the commander's name
This makes the most logical sense to me. Picard was targeted for assimilation specifically for his knowledge of the Federation and humanity, to aid in the assimilation of the same. It is not that far of a stretch to believe that the Borg prioritized Picard's perception, of Riker in this case, over its own observations. This would include calling him "Number One"
5
Neither of these points seem likely. Picard (when talking to his brother) makes it clear that he was totally at the mercy of the Borg; youtube.com/watch?v=V9MtVv3z21w. The Borg would also be very well aware of Riker's name.
– Valorum
Nov 12 '14 at 23:11
7
Also - Number One sounds like a Borg designation...
– HorusKol
Nov 12 '14 at 23:25
1
I've always understood it to be the second one. They're being efficient by using the designation at the top of Picard's mind, rather than spending any amount of effort to find Riker's real name
– Izkata
Nov 12 '14 at 23:57
1
These are certainly plausible, but the most plausible explanation is to show the Enterprise just how hopeless their situation is by using a personal nickname to demoralize the bridge crew. Resistance is futile, after all.
– Ellesedil
Nov 12 '14 at 23:58
3
@Tritium21 - The borg Queen uses precisely the same tactic to unnerve Janeway when she tells Kim that she'll "see him soon".
– Valorum
Nov 13 '14 at 0:37
|
show 6 more comments
There are a number of things this can be taken to imply, but I will point out two.
That Picard was resisting assimilation
One interpretation, and I believe the one that is intended, is that Picard was so strong willed that the attempts to suppress his identity were, at the very least, incomplete. This is later supported by Picard aiding in disabling the Borg later in the 2-parter.
That Picard had so engrained the identity of Riker as "Number One" in his mind, that the collective understands this as the commander's name
This makes the most logical sense to me. Picard was targeted for assimilation specifically for his knowledge of the Federation and humanity, to aid in the assimilation of the same. It is not that far of a stretch to believe that the Borg prioritized Picard's perception, of Riker in this case, over its own observations. This would include calling him "Number One"
There are a number of things this can be taken to imply, but I will point out two.
That Picard was resisting assimilation
One interpretation, and I believe the one that is intended, is that Picard was so strong willed that the attempts to suppress his identity were, at the very least, incomplete. This is later supported by Picard aiding in disabling the Borg later in the 2-parter.
That Picard had so engrained the identity of Riker as "Number One" in his mind, that the collective understands this as the commander's name
This makes the most logical sense to me. Picard was targeted for assimilation specifically for his knowledge of the Federation and humanity, to aid in the assimilation of the same. It is not that far of a stretch to believe that the Borg prioritized Picard's perception, of Riker in this case, over its own observations. This would include calling him "Number One"
answered Nov 12 '14 at 23:08
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Neither of these points seem likely. Picard (when talking to his brother) makes it clear that he was totally at the mercy of the Borg; youtube.com/watch?v=V9MtVv3z21w. The Borg would also be very well aware of Riker's name.
– Valorum
Nov 12 '14 at 23:11
7
Also - Number One sounds like a Borg designation...
– HorusKol
Nov 12 '14 at 23:25
1
I've always understood it to be the second one. They're being efficient by using the designation at the top of Picard's mind, rather than spending any amount of effort to find Riker's real name
– Izkata
Nov 12 '14 at 23:57
1
These are certainly plausible, but the most plausible explanation is to show the Enterprise just how hopeless their situation is by using a personal nickname to demoralize the bridge crew. Resistance is futile, after all.
– Ellesedil
Nov 12 '14 at 23:58
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@Tritium21 - The borg Queen uses precisely the same tactic to unnerve Janeway when she tells Kim that she'll "see him soon".
– Valorum
Nov 13 '14 at 0:37
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Neither of these points seem likely. Picard (when talking to his brother) makes it clear that he was totally at the mercy of the Borg; youtube.com/watch?v=V9MtVv3z21w. The Borg would also be very well aware of Riker's name.
– Valorum
Nov 12 '14 at 23:11
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Also - Number One sounds like a Borg designation...
– HorusKol
Nov 12 '14 at 23:25
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I've always understood it to be the second one. They're being efficient by using the designation at the top of Picard's mind, rather than spending any amount of effort to find Riker's real name
– Izkata
Nov 12 '14 at 23:57
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These are certainly plausible, but the most plausible explanation is to show the Enterprise just how hopeless their situation is by using a personal nickname to demoralize the bridge crew. Resistance is futile, after all.
– Ellesedil
Nov 12 '14 at 23:58
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@Tritium21 - The borg Queen uses precisely the same tactic to unnerve Janeway when she tells Kim that she'll "see him soon".
– Valorum
Nov 13 '14 at 0:37
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5
Neither of these points seem likely. Picard (when talking to his brother) makes it clear that he was totally at the mercy of the Borg; youtube.com/watch?v=V9MtVv3z21w. The Borg would also be very well aware of Riker's name.
– Valorum
Nov 12 '14 at 23:11
Neither of these points seem likely. Picard (when talking to his brother) makes it clear that he was totally at the mercy of the Borg; youtube.com/watch?v=V9MtVv3z21w. The Borg would also be very well aware of Riker's name.
– Valorum
Nov 12 '14 at 23:11
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7
Also - Number One sounds like a Borg designation...
– HorusKol
Nov 12 '14 at 23:25
Also - Number One sounds like a Borg designation...
– HorusKol
Nov 12 '14 at 23:25
1
1
I've always understood it to be the second one. They're being efficient by using the designation at the top of Picard's mind, rather than spending any amount of effort to find Riker's real name
– Izkata
Nov 12 '14 at 23:57
I've always understood it to be the second one. They're being efficient by using the designation at the top of Picard's mind, rather than spending any amount of effort to find Riker's real name
– Izkata
Nov 12 '14 at 23:57
1
1
These are certainly plausible, but the most plausible explanation is to show the Enterprise just how hopeless their situation is by using a personal nickname to demoralize the bridge crew. Resistance is futile, after all.
– Ellesedil
Nov 12 '14 at 23:58
These are certainly plausible, but the most plausible explanation is to show the Enterprise just how hopeless their situation is by using a personal nickname to demoralize the bridge crew. Resistance is futile, after all.
– Ellesedil
Nov 12 '14 at 23:58
3
3
@Tritium21 - The borg Queen uses precisely the same tactic to unnerve Janeway when she tells Kim that she'll "see him soon".
– Valorum
Nov 13 '14 at 0:37
@Tritium21 - The borg Queen uses precisely the same tactic to unnerve Janeway when she tells Kim that she'll "see him soon".
– Valorum
Nov 13 '14 at 0:37
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The first poster is partly right, but the key point is that Picard, unbeknownst to the Borg, was communicating to Riker that he was still "there". Because of what the first poster said, the Borg did not catch on to this.
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I disagree. There's no indication that Picard had any level of control. The script and the subsequence episode don't bear out your interpretation.
– Valorum
Nov 15 '14 at 23:52
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The first poster is partly right, but the key point is that Picard, unbeknownst to the Borg, was communicating to Riker that he was still "there". Because of what the first poster said, the Borg did not catch on to this.
3
I disagree. There's no indication that Picard had any level of control. The script and the subsequence episode don't bear out your interpretation.
– Valorum
Nov 15 '14 at 23:52
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The first poster is partly right, but the key point is that Picard, unbeknownst to the Borg, was communicating to Riker that he was still "there". Because of what the first poster said, the Borg did not catch on to this.
The first poster is partly right, but the key point is that Picard, unbeknownst to the Borg, was communicating to Riker that he was still "there". Because of what the first poster said, the Borg did not catch on to this.
answered Nov 15 '14 at 23:42
BobkBobk
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I disagree. There's no indication that Picard had any level of control. The script and the subsequence episode don't bear out your interpretation.
– Valorum
Nov 15 '14 at 23:52
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I disagree. There's no indication that Picard had any level of control. The script and the subsequence episode don't bear out your interpretation.
– Valorum
Nov 15 '14 at 23:52
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3
I disagree. There's no indication that Picard had any level of control. The script and the subsequence episode don't bear out your interpretation.
– Valorum
Nov 15 '14 at 23:52
I disagree. There's no indication that Picard had any level of control. The script and the subsequence episode don't bear out your interpretation.
– Valorum
Nov 15 '14 at 23:52
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You guys are getting it wrong. The obvious reason was that Locutus wanted to disrespect Riker's status as captain now.
He knew Riker was in command of the ship, and Locutus made that remark as a swipe to him.
Riker wasn't scared when he said that. His expression was one of, "How dare you disrespect my status as captain!"
For someone who was rather an emotionaless borg, Locutus seems to remain human in a rather devilish way
New contributor
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Can you offer any evidence to back up this bold assertion or is it simply your own headcanon?
– Valorum
21 hours ago
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You guys are getting it wrong. The obvious reason was that Locutus wanted to disrespect Riker's status as captain now.
He knew Riker was in command of the ship, and Locutus made that remark as a swipe to him.
Riker wasn't scared when he said that. His expression was one of, "How dare you disrespect my status as captain!"
For someone who was rather an emotionaless borg, Locutus seems to remain human in a rather devilish way
New contributor
2
Can you offer any evidence to back up this bold assertion or is it simply your own headcanon?
– Valorum
21 hours ago
add a comment |
You guys are getting it wrong. The obvious reason was that Locutus wanted to disrespect Riker's status as captain now.
He knew Riker was in command of the ship, and Locutus made that remark as a swipe to him.
Riker wasn't scared when he said that. His expression was one of, "How dare you disrespect my status as captain!"
For someone who was rather an emotionaless borg, Locutus seems to remain human in a rather devilish way
New contributor
You guys are getting it wrong. The obvious reason was that Locutus wanted to disrespect Riker's status as captain now.
He knew Riker was in command of the ship, and Locutus made that remark as a swipe to him.
Riker wasn't scared when he said that. His expression was one of, "How dare you disrespect my status as captain!"
For someone who was rather an emotionaless borg, Locutus seems to remain human in a rather devilish way
New contributor
New contributor
answered 21 hours ago
AdamNYAdamNY
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New contributor
New contributor
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Can you offer any evidence to back up this bold assertion or is it simply your own headcanon?
– Valorum
21 hours ago
add a comment |
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Can you offer any evidence to back up this bold assertion or is it simply your own headcanon?
– Valorum
21 hours ago
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2
Can you offer any evidence to back up this bold assertion or is it simply your own headcanon?
– Valorum
21 hours ago
Can you offer any evidence to back up this bold assertion or is it simply your own headcanon?
– Valorum
21 hours ago
add a comment |
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