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As a normal single variable integral is used to find an area under a certain region below a 2d-curve and double integral are used to find the volume under a 3d-curve, I used to think triple integrals can be used to find the volume under a 4d-graph.



I'm not speaking about



$$ int int int ,dx,dy,dz $$



but this,



$$ int int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy,dz $$



The former makes complete sense to me as of why it calculates volume. But doesn't latter the one should calculate the volume under a 4d-graph.



Just like double integral,



$ int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy $ to find volume and $ int int ,dx,dy $ to find area.



But from my understanding in the $ int int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy,dz $ the $f(x,y,z)$ is called density function and the integral is used to find the mass.



Why density has anything to do with $f(x,y,z)$?



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    The formula $int_I fdxdydz$ would give the mass in a region $I$ of density $f$, but that's not the only possible interpretation of it.
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    buy why f is considered as density?
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    to get the units right....
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    @Jasser Yes at first I thought just like you said. But I'm kinda wondering whether there is a more intuitive explanation of why f can be considered as a density?
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As a normal single variable integral is used to find an area under a certain region below a 2d-curve and double integral are used to find the volume under a 3d-curve, I used to think triple integrals can be used to find the volume under a 4d-graph.



I'm not speaking about



$$ int int int ,dx,dy,dz $$



but this,



$$ int int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy,dz $$



The former makes complete sense to me as of why it calculates volume. But doesn't latter the one should calculate the volume under a 4d-graph.



Just like double integral,



$ int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy $ to find volume and $ int int ,dx,dy $ to find area.



But from my understanding in the $ int int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy,dz $ the $f(x,y,z)$ is called density function and the integral is used to find the mass.



Why density has anything to do with $f(x,y,z)$?



can someone explain to me this?










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    $begingroup$
    The formula $int_I fdxdydz$ would give the mass in a region $I$ of density $f$, but that's not the only possible interpretation of it.
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    – J.G.
    2 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    buy why f is considered as density?
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    – Vignesh War
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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    to get the units right....
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    – Jasser
    2 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Jasser Yes at first I thought just like you said. But I'm kinda wondering whether there is a more intuitive explanation of why f can be considered as a density?
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    – Vignesh War
    2 hours ago














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As a normal single variable integral is used to find an area under a certain region below a 2d-curve and double integral are used to find the volume under a 3d-curve, I used to think triple integrals can be used to find the volume under a 4d-graph.



I'm not speaking about



$$ int int int ,dx,dy,dz $$



but this,



$$ int int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy,dz $$



The former makes complete sense to me as of why it calculates volume. But doesn't latter the one should calculate the volume under a 4d-graph.



Just like double integral,



$ int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy $ to find volume and $ int int ,dx,dy $ to find area.



But from my understanding in the $ int int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy,dz $ the $f(x,y,z)$ is called density function and the integral is used to find the mass.



Why density has anything to do with $f(x,y,z)$?



can someone explain to me this?










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As a normal single variable integral is used to find an area under a certain region below a 2d-curve and double integral are used to find the volume under a 3d-curve, I used to think triple integrals can be used to find the volume under a 4d-graph.



I'm not speaking about



$$ int int int ,dx,dy,dz $$



but this,



$$ int int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy,dz $$



The former makes complete sense to me as of why it calculates volume. But doesn't latter the one should calculate the volume under a 4d-graph.



Just like double integral,



$ int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy $ to find volume and $ int int ,dx,dy $ to find area.



But from my understanding in the $ int int int f(x,y,z) ,dx,dy,dz $ the $f(x,y,z)$ is called density function and the integral is used to find the mass.



Why density has anything to do with $f(x,y,z)$?



can someone explain to me this?







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    The formula $int_I fdxdydz$ would give the mass in a region $I$ of density $f$, but that's not the only possible interpretation of it.
    $endgroup$
    – J.G.
    2 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    buy why f is considered as density?
    $endgroup$
    – Vignesh War
    2 hours ago








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    $begingroup$
    to get the units right....
    $endgroup$
    – Jasser
    2 hours ago










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    @Jasser Yes at first I thought just like you said. But I'm kinda wondering whether there is a more intuitive explanation of why f can be considered as a density?
    $endgroup$
    – Vignesh War
    2 hours ago














  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The formula $int_I fdxdydz$ would give the mass in a region $I$ of density $f$, but that's not the only possible interpretation of it.
    $endgroup$
    – J.G.
    2 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    buy why f is considered as density?
    $endgroup$
    – Vignesh War
    2 hours ago








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    to get the units right....
    $endgroup$
    – Jasser
    2 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Jasser Yes at first I thought just like you said. But I'm kinda wondering whether there is a more intuitive explanation of why f can be considered as a density?
    $endgroup$
    – Vignesh War
    2 hours ago








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$begingroup$
The formula $int_I fdxdydz$ would give the mass in a region $I$ of density $f$, but that's not the only possible interpretation of it.
$endgroup$
– J.G.
2 hours ago




$begingroup$
The formula $int_I fdxdydz$ would give the mass in a region $I$ of density $f$, but that's not the only possible interpretation of it.
$endgroup$
– J.G.
2 hours ago












$begingroup$
buy why f is considered as density?
$endgroup$
– Vignesh War
2 hours ago






$begingroup$
buy why f is considered as density?
$endgroup$
– Vignesh War
2 hours ago






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$begingroup$
to get the units right....
$endgroup$
– Jasser
2 hours ago




$begingroup$
to get the units right....
$endgroup$
– Jasser
2 hours ago












$begingroup$
@Jasser Yes at first I thought just like you said. But I'm kinda wondering whether there is a more intuitive explanation of why f can be considered as a density?
$endgroup$
– Vignesh War
2 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Jasser Yes at first I thought just like you said. But I'm kinda wondering whether there is a more intuitive explanation of why f can be considered as a density?
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– Vignesh War
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I guess it depends in how the function is defined.



f(x,y,z) dosent have to be something with density.



If you had a density distrupution f(x,y,z) where we would assume that f(x,y,z) is measured in $kg/m^3$ then to find the complete masse of the object you would have to take the integraf over x,y and z weighet by the density "distrubution". Given that the density changes as you move around in the 3d volume.



$m = int rho cdot dv$



If as you normaly do, have a density that dosent depend on position, $rho$ is a constant then it can be moved outside.



$m = rho int 1 ; dv = rho cdot V$



Another way of thinking about it is:



Say you look at a very small volume where the density is constant, then to find the volume of that small volume would be to multiply its volume dv with its density:



dm = $rho cdot dV$



To find the masse of the whole object you would have to add up all the small incriments:



$dm_1 + dm_2 + dm_3 +... = rho_1 cdot dV + rho_2 cdot dV + rho_3 cdot dV +... = int rho(x,y,z) ;dV$



But this is excatly what an integral does, but now $rho$ depends on position. $rho$ plays the role of f(x,y,z) here.



Hope I answered what you asked:)






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    The curve $S$ defined by $y=f(x)$ bounds $wge 0$ measure $int_I y dx$ (the $2$-dimensional kind, i.e. area) under $S$ over some region $IinBbb R$ of values for $x$.



    Analogously:



    The surface $S$ defined by $w=f(x,,y,,z)$ bounds $wge 0$ measure $int_I w dxdydz$ (the $4$-dimensional kind, but let's call it "volume" as you did) under $S$ over some region $IinBbb R^3$ of values for $(x,,y,,z)$.






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      I'd like to provide some intuition for this, at least.



      If you consider the integral $$intintint_D dxdydz$$ over some region D, what you're doing is summing up all the volume elements of the constant function, $1$, such that the value of each volume unit is the same.



      Now, if you consider a constant density function, $rho$, by computing $$intintint_D rho dx dy dz$$



      You're simply scaling the volume up by the $rho$, much like a material whose density is $4frac{kg}{m^3}$ weighs $4$ times its volume.



      Now, let's consider the function $f(x,y) = x$. By taking the double integral $$intint_D f(x,y)dxdy$$



      You get the volume under the triangular region. By introducing a non-constant density function, $rho (x,y)$, we will scale each volume element $dV$ by the average value of the density function over the region such that: $$intint_D rho (x,y) f(x) dx dy = rho (x,y)_{avg} intint_D f(x,y)dxdy$$



      Of course, if you want to actually compute $rho (x,y)_{avg}$, you need to evaluate the whole integral first without making it constant.






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        I guess it depends in how the function is defined.



        f(x,y,z) dosent have to be something with density.



        If you had a density distrupution f(x,y,z) where we would assume that f(x,y,z) is measured in $kg/m^3$ then to find the complete masse of the object you would have to take the integraf over x,y and z weighet by the density "distrubution". Given that the density changes as you move around in the 3d volume.



        $m = int rho cdot dv$



        If as you normaly do, have a density that dosent depend on position, $rho$ is a constant then it can be moved outside.



        $m = rho int 1 ; dv = rho cdot V$



        Another way of thinking about it is:



        Say you look at a very small volume where the density is constant, then to find the volume of that small volume would be to multiply its volume dv with its density:



        dm = $rho cdot dV$



        To find the masse of the whole object you would have to add up all the small incriments:



        $dm_1 + dm_2 + dm_3 +... = rho_1 cdot dV + rho_2 cdot dV + rho_3 cdot dV +... = int rho(x,y,z) ;dV$



        But this is excatly what an integral does, but now $rho$ depends on position. $rho$ plays the role of f(x,y,z) here.



        Hope I answered what you asked:)






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          I guess it depends in how the function is defined.



          f(x,y,z) dosent have to be something with density.



          If you had a density distrupution f(x,y,z) where we would assume that f(x,y,z) is measured in $kg/m^3$ then to find the complete masse of the object you would have to take the integraf over x,y and z weighet by the density "distrubution". Given that the density changes as you move around in the 3d volume.



          $m = int rho cdot dv$



          If as you normaly do, have a density that dosent depend on position, $rho$ is a constant then it can be moved outside.



          $m = rho int 1 ; dv = rho cdot V$



          Another way of thinking about it is:



          Say you look at a very small volume where the density is constant, then to find the volume of that small volume would be to multiply its volume dv with its density:



          dm = $rho cdot dV$



          To find the masse of the whole object you would have to add up all the small incriments:



          $dm_1 + dm_2 + dm_3 +... = rho_1 cdot dV + rho_2 cdot dV + rho_3 cdot dV +... = int rho(x,y,z) ;dV$



          But this is excatly what an integral does, but now $rho$ depends on position. $rho$ plays the role of f(x,y,z) here.



          Hope I answered what you asked:)






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            I guess it depends in how the function is defined.



            f(x,y,z) dosent have to be something with density.



            If you had a density distrupution f(x,y,z) where we would assume that f(x,y,z) is measured in $kg/m^3$ then to find the complete masse of the object you would have to take the integraf over x,y and z weighet by the density "distrubution". Given that the density changes as you move around in the 3d volume.



            $m = int rho cdot dv$



            If as you normaly do, have a density that dosent depend on position, $rho$ is a constant then it can be moved outside.



            $m = rho int 1 ; dv = rho cdot V$



            Another way of thinking about it is:



            Say you look at a very small volume where the density is constant, then to find the volume of that small volume would be to multiply its volume dv with its density:



            dm = $rho cdot dV$



            To find the masse of the whole object you would have to add up all the small incriments:



            $dm_1 + dm_2 + dm_3 +... = rho_1 cdot dV + rho_2 cdot dV + rho_3 cdot dV +... = int rho(x,y,z) ;dV$



            But this is excatly what an integral does, but now $rho$ depends on position. $rho$ plays the role of f(x,y,z) here.



            Hope I answered what you asked:)






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            I guess it depends in how the function is defined.



            f(x,y,z) dosent have to be something with density.



            If you had a density distrupution f(x,y,z) where we would assume that f(x,y,z) is measured in $kg/m^3$ then to find the complete masse of the object you would have to take the integraf over x,y and z weighet by the density "distrubution". Given that the density changes as you move around in the 3d volume.



            $m = int rho cdot dv$



            If as you normaly do, have a density that dosent depend on position, $rho$ is a constant then it can be moved outside.



            $m = rho int 1 ; dv = rho cdot V$



            Another way of thinking about it is:



            Say you look at a very small volume where the density is constant, then to find the volume of that small volume would be to multiply its volume dv with its density:



            dm = $rho cdot dV$



            To find the masse of the whole object you would have to add up all the small incriments:



            $dm_1 + dm_2 + dm_3 +... = rho_1 cdot dV + rho_2 cdot dV + rho_3 cdot dV +... = int rho(x,y,z) ;dV$



            But this is excatly what an integral does, but now $rho$ depends on position. $rho$ plays the role of f(x,y,z) here.



            Hope I answered what you asked:)







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                The curve $S$ defined by $y=f(x)$ bounds $wge 0$ measure $int_I y dx$ (the $2$-dimensional kind, i.e. area) under $S$ over some region $IinBbb R$ of values for $x$.



                Analogously:



                The surface $S$ defined by $w=f(x,,y,,z)$ bounds $wge 0$ measure $int_I w dxdydz$ (the $4$-dimensional kind, but let's call it "volume" as you did) under $S$ over some region $IinBbb R^3$ of values for $(x,,y,,z)$.






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                  The curve $S$ defined by $y=f(x)$ bounds $wge 0$ measure $int_I y dx$ (the $2$-dimensional kind, i.e. area) under $S$ over some region $IinBbb R$ of values for $x$.



                  Analogously:



                  The surface $S$ defined by $w=f(x,,y,,z)$ bounds $wge 0$ measure $int_I w dxdydz$ (the $4$-dimensional kind, but let's call it "volume" as you did) under $S$ over some region $IinBbb R^3$ of values for $(x,,y,,z)$.






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                    The curve $S$ defined by $y=f(x)$ bounds $wge 0$ measure $int_I y dx$ (the $2$-dimensional kind, i.e. area) under $S$ over some region $IinBbb R$ of values for $x$.



                    Analogously:



                    The surface $S$ defined by $w=f(x,,y,,z)$ bounds $wge 0$ measure $int_I w dxdydz$ (the $4$-dimensional kind, but let's call it "volume" as you did) under $S$ over some region $IinBbb R^3$ of values for $(x,,y,,z)$.






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                    The curve $S$ defined by $y=f(x)$ bounds $wge 0$ measure $int_I y dx$ (the $2$-dimensional kind, i.e. area) under $S$ over some region $IinBbb R$ of values for $x$.



                    Analogously:



                    The surface $S$ defined by $w=f(x,,y,,z)$ bounds $wge 0$ measure $int_I w dxdydz$ (the $4$-dimensional kind, but let's call it "volume" as you did) under $S$ over some region $IinBbb R^3$ of values for $(x,,y,,z)$.







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                        I'd like to provide some intuition for this, at least.



                        If you consider the integral $$intintint_D dxdydz$$ over some region D, what you're doing is summing up all the volume elements of the constant function, $1$, such that the value of each volume unit is the same.



                        Now, if you consider a constant density function, $rho$, by computing $$intintint_D rho dx dy dz$$



                        You're simply scaling the volume up by the $rho$, much like a material whose density is $4frac{kg}{m^3}$ weighs $4$ times its volume.



                        Now, let's consider the function $f(x,y) = x$. By taking the double integral $$intint_D f(x,y)dxdy$$



                        You get the volume under the triangular region. By introducing a non-constant density function, $rho (x,y)$, we will scale each volume element $dV$ by the average value of the density function over the region such that: $$intint_D rho (x,y) f(x) dx dy = rho (x,y)_{avg} intint_D f(x,y)dxdy$$



                        Of course, if you want to actually compute $rho (x,y)_{avg}$, you need to evaluate the whole integral first without making it constant.






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                          I'd like to provide some intuition for this, at least.



                          If you consider the integral $$intintint_D dxdydz$$ over some region D, what you're doing is summing up all the volume elements of the constant function, $1$, such that the value of each volume unit is the same.



                          Now, if you consider a constant density function, $rho$, by computing $$intintint_D rho dx dy dz$$



                          You're simply scaling the volume up by the $rho$, much like a material whose density is $4frac{kg}{m^3}$ weighs $4$ times its volume.



                          Now, let's consider the function $f(x,y) = x$. By taking the double integral $$intint_D f(x,y)dxdy$$



                          You get the volume under the triangular region. By introducing a non-constant density function, $rho (x,y)$, we will scale each volume element $dV$ by the average value of the density function over the region such that: $$intint_D rho (x,y) f(x) dx dy = rho (x,y)_{avg} intint_D f(x,y)dxdy$$



                          Of course, if you want to actually compute $rho (x,y)_{avg}$, you need to evaluate the whole integral first without making it constant.






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                            I'd like to provide some intuition for this, at least.



                            If you consider the integral $$intintint_D dxdydz$$ over some region D, what you're doing is summing up all the volume elements of the constant function, $1$, such that the value of each volume unit is the same.



                            Now, if you consider a constant density function, $rho$, by computing $$intintint_D rho dx dy dz$$



                            You're simply scaling the volume up by the $rho$, much like a material whose density is $4frac{kg}{m^3}$ weighs $4$ times its volume.



                            Now, let's consider the function $f(x,y) = x$. By taking the double integral $$intint_D f(x,y)dxdy$$



                            You get the volume under the triangular region. By introducing a non-constant density function, $rho (x,y)$, we will scale each volume element $dV$ by the average value of the density function over the region such that: $$intint_D rho (x,y) f(x) dx dy = rho (x,y)_{avg} intint_D f(x,y)dxdy$$



                            Of course, if you want to actually compute $rho (x,y)_{avg}$, you need to evaluate the whole integral first without making it constant.






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                            I'd like to provide some intuition for this, at least.



                            If you consider the integral $$intintint_D dxdydz$$ over some region D, what you're doing is summing up all the volume elements of the constant function, $1$, such that the value of each volume unit is the same.



                            Now, if you consider a constant density function, $rho$, by computing $$intintint_D rho dx dy dz$$



                            You're simply scaling the volume up by the $rho$, much like a material whose density is $4frac{kg}{m^3}$ weighs $4$ times its volume.



                            Now, let's consider the function $f(x,y) = x$. By taking the double integral $$intint_D f(x,y)dxdy$$



                            You get the volume under the triangular region. By introducing a non-constant density function, $rho (x,y)$, we will scale each volume element $dV$ by the average value of the density function over the region such that: $$intint_D rho (x,y) f(x) dx dy = rho (x,y)_{avg} intint_D f(x,y)dxdy$$



                            Of course, if you want to actually compute $rho (x,y)_{avg}$, you need to evaluate the whole integral first without making it constant.







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