Why not use SQL instead of GraphQL?





.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty{ margin-bottom:0;
}







3















Recently I learned about GraphQL which claims to be superior to RESTful. However, I started wondering why don't we simply put SQL statements into an HTTP GET request.



For example, in GraphQL I would write



{
Movie(id: "cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27") {
id
title
actors {
name
}
}
}


Which isn't much simpler than its SQL counterpart



SELECT id, title FROM movies WHERE id = cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27;
SELECT actors.name FROM actors, actors_movies WHERE actors.id == movies.actor_id AND movie.id == cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27;


Maybe we can URL-encode the query and send to the server



GET endpoint?q=SELECT%20id%2C%20title%20FROM%20movies%20WHERE%20id%20%3D%20cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27%3B%0ASELECT%20actors.name%20FROM%20actors%2C%20actors_movies%20WHERE%20actors.id%20%3D%3D%20movies.actor_id%20AND%20movie.id%20%3D%3D%20cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27%3B HTTP/1.1


Yes, the query URL can be too long, but you can put it into the body of a POST request if you don't care about REST compliance. (By the way, I think the HTTP RFC need be revised for REST to make sense: capping the length of query strings mixes implementation with specification at the very beginning)



Directly issuing SQL from the client also has the advantage of




  1. No server-side code/library is required to parse GraphQL, reducing development time.

  2. No server-side overhead is needed to parse GraphQL, reducing runtime.

  3. SQL statements are much more flexible than GraphQL because (in most cases) the latter will reduce to SQL anyway.

  4. Everyone knows SQL.


So, what the advantages GraphQL have over SQL?










share|improve this question









New contributor




nalzok is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
















  • 18





    Little Bobby Tables.

    – Philip Kendall
    20 hours ago






  • 1





    1. I can still DoS you with arbitrarily complicated SQL queries. 2. There's no chance a malicious actor would ever obtain a valid key...

    – Philip Kendall
    20 hours ago








  • 1





    What you suggest already exists and It doesn't expose your DB to the world as you are suggesting too. It also abstract the QL from the DB so that you can use SQL, noSQL or whatever your DB is.

    – Laiv
    20 hours ago








  • 3





    @nalzok: SQL is Turing-complete, which means it is impossible to validate statically.

    – Jörg W Mittag
    19 hours ago






  • 3





    This is very simple to understand why it's a terrible idea. Implement it yourself. At some point, you will realise that your are investing the time mostly in 1 thing: security. Not too later you will feel somewhat upset because you are implementing a caped TOAD. Then you will realise how hard is mapping rows all over the system and you will try to reinvent the ORM wheel on both sides: client and server. By the time you give up, your PM will ask you for report: how is the users' service going? Is it done?"...

    – Laiv
    15 hours ago




















3















Recently I learned about GraphQL which claims to be superior to RESTful. However, I started wondering why don't we simply put SQL statements into an HTTP GET request.



For example, in GraphQL I would write



{
Movie(id: "cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27") {
id
title
actors {
name
}
}
}


Which isn't much simpler than its SQL counterpart



SELECT id, title FROM movies WHERE id = cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27;
SELECT actors.name FROM actors, actors_movies WHERE actors.id == movies.actor_id AND movie.id == cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27;


Maybe we can URL-encode the query and send to the server



GET endpoint?q=SELECT%20id%2C%20title%20FROM%20movies%20WHERE%20id%20%3D%20cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27%3B%0ASELECT%20actors.name%20FROM%20actors%2C%20actors_movies%20WHERE%20actors.id%20%3D%3D%20movies.actor_id%20AND%20movie.id%20%3D%3D%20cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27%3B HTTP/1.1


Yes, the query URL can be too long, but you can put it into the body of a POST request if you don't care about REST compliance. (By the way, I think the HTTP RFC need be revised for REST to make sense: capping the length of query strings mixes implementation with specification at the very beginning)



Directly issuing SQL from the client also has the advantage of




  1. No server-side code/library is required to parse GraphQL, reducing development time.

  2. No server-side overhead is needed to parse GraphQL, reducing runtime.

  3. SQL statements are much more flexible than GraphQL because (in most cases) the latter will reduce to SQL anyway.

  4. Everyone knows SQL.


So, what the advantages GraphQL have over SQL?










share|improve this question









New contributor




nalzok is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
















  • 18





    Little Bobby Tables.

    – Philip Kendall
    20 hours ago






  • 1





    1. I can still DoS you with arbitrarily complicated SQL queries. 2. There's no chance a malicious actor would ever obtain a valid key...

    – Philip Kendall
    20 hours ago








  • 1





    What you suggest already exists and It doesn't expose your DB to the world as you are suggesting too. It also abstract the QL from the DB so that you can use SQL, noSQL or whatever your DB is.

    – Laiv
    20 hours ago








  • 3





    @nalzok: SQL is Turing-complete, which means it is impossible to validate statically.

    – Jörg W Mittag
    19 hours ago






  • 3





    This is very simple to understand why it's a terrible idea. Implement it yourself. At some point, you will realise that your are investing the time mostly in 1 thing: security. Not too later you will feel somewhat upset because you are implementing a caped TOAD. Then you will realise how hard is mapping rows all over the system and you will try to reinvent the ORM wheel on both sides: client and server. By the time you give up, your PM will ask you for report: how is the users' service going? Is it done?"...

    – Laiv
    15 hours ago
















3












3








3


2






Recently I learned about GraphQL which claims to be superior to RESTful. However, I started wondering why don't we simply put SQL statements into an HTTP GET request.



For example, in GraphQL I would write



{
Movie(id: "cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27") {
id
title
actors {
name
}
}
}


Which isn't much simpler than its SQL counterpart



SELECT id, title FROM movies WHERE id = cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27;
SELECT actors.name FROM actors, actors_movies WHERE actors.id == movies.actor_id AND movie.id == cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27;


Maybe we can URL-encode the query and send to the server



GET endpoint?q=SELECT%20id%2C%20title%20FROM%20movies%20WHERE%20id%20%3D%20cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27%3B%0ASELECT%20actors.name%20FROM%20actors%2C%20actors_movies%20WHERE%20actors.id%20%3D%3D%20movies.actor_id%20AND%20movie.id%20%3D%3D%20cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27%3B HTTP/1.1


Yes, the query URL can be too long, but you can put it into the body of a POST request if you don't care about REST compliance. (By the way, I think the HTTP RFC need be revised for REST to make sense: capping the length of query strings mixes implementation with specification at the very beginning)



Directly issuing SQL from the client also has the advantage of




  1. No server-side code/library is required to parse GraphQL, reducing development time.

  2. No server-side overhead is needed to parse GraphQL, reducing runtime.

  3. SQL statements are much more flexible than GraphQL because (in most cases) the latter will reduce to SQL anyway.

  4. Everyone knows SQL.


So, what the advantages GraphQL have over SQL?










share|improve this question









New contributor




nalzok is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.












Recently I learned about GraphQL which claims to be superior to RESTful. However, I started wondering why don't we simply put SQL statements into an HTTP GET request.



For example, in GraphQL I would write



{
Movie(id: "cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27") {
id
title
actors {
name
}
}
}


Which isn't much simpler than its SQL counterpart



SELECT id, title FROM movies WHERE id = cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27;
SELECT actors.name FROM actors, actors_movies WHERE actors.id == movies.actor_id AND movie.id == cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27;


Maybe we can URL-encode the query and send to the server



GET endpoint?q=SELECT%20id%2C%20title%20FROM%20movies%20WHERE%20id%20%3D%20cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27%3B%0ASELECT%20actors.name%20FROM%20actors%2C%20actors_movies%20WHERE%20actors.id%20%3D%3D%20movies.actor_id%20AND%20movie.id%20%3D%3D%20cixos5gtq0ogi0126tvekxo27%3B HTTP/1.1


Yes, the query URL can be too long, but you can put it into the body of a POST request if you don't care about REST compliance. (By the way, I think the HTTP RFC need be revised for REST to make sense: capping the length of query strings mixes implementation with specification at the very beginning)



Directly issuing SQL from the client also has the advantage of




  1. No server-side code/library is required to parse GraphQL, reducing development time.

  2. No server-side overhead is needed to parse GraphQL, reducing runtime.

  3. SQL statements are much more flexible than GraphQL because (in most cases) the latter will reduce to SQL anyway.

  4. Everyone knows SQL.


So, what the advantages GraphQL have over SQL?







architecture database web-development api web-services






share|improve this question









New contributor




nalzok is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











share|improve this question









New contributor




nalzok is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited 12 hours ago









whatsisname

25.1k136788




25.1k136788






New contributor




nalzok is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









asked 20 hours ago









nalzoknalzok

1285




1285




New contributor




nalzok is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.





New contributor





nalzok is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.






nalzok is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.








  • 18





    Little Bobby Tables.

    – Philip Kendall
    20 hours ago






  • 1





    1. I can still DoS you with arbitrarily complicated SQL queries. 2. There's no chance a malicious actor would ever obtain a valid key...

    – Philip Kendall
    20 hours ago








  • 1





    What you suggest already exists and It doesn't expose your DB to the world as you are suggesting too. It also abstract the QL from the DB so that you can use SQL, noSQL or whatever your DB is.

    – Laiv
    20 hours ago








  • 3





    @nalzok: SQL is Turing-complete, which means it is impossible to validate statically.

    – Jörg W Mittag
    19 hours ago






  • 3





    This is very simple to understand why it's a terrible idea. Implement it yourself. At some point, you will realise that your are investing the time mostly in 1 thing: security. Not too later you will feel somewhat upset because you are implementing a caped TOAD. Then you will realise how hard is mapping rows all over the system and you will try to reinvent the ORM wheel on both sides: client and server. By the time you give up, your PM will ask you for report: how is the users' service going? Is it done?"...

    – Laiv
    15 hours ago
















  • 18





    Little Bobby Tables.

    – Philip Kendall
    20 hours ago






  • 1





    1. I can still DoS you with arbitrarily complicated SQL queries. 2. There's no chance a malicious actor would ever obtain a valid key...

    – Philip Kendall
    20 hours ago








  • 1





    What you suggest already exists and It doesn't expose your DB to the world as you are suggesting too. It also abstract the QL from the DB so that you can use SQL, noSQL or whatever your DB is.

    – Laiv
    20 hours ago








  • 3





    @nalzok: SQL is Turing-complete, which means it is impossible to validate statically.

    – Jörg W Mittag
    19 hours ago






  • 3





    This is very simple to understand why it's a terrible idea. Implement it yourself. At some point, you will realise that your are investing the time mostly in 1 thing: security. Not too later you will feel somewhat upset because you are implementing a caped TOAD. Then you will realise how hard is mapping rows all over the system and you will try to reinvent the ORM wheel on both sides: client and server. By the time you give up, your PM will ask you for report: how is the users' service going? Is it done?"...

    – Laiv
    15 hours ago










18




18





Little Bobby Tables.

– Philip Kendall
20 hours ago





Little Bobby Tables.

– Philip Kendall
20 hours ago




1




1





1. I can still DoS you with arbitrarily complicated SQL queries. 2. There's no chance a malicious actor would ever obtain a valid key...

– Philip Kendall
20 hours ago







1. I can still DoS you with arbitrarily complicated SQL queries. 2. There's no chance a malicious actor would ever obtain a valid key...

– Philip Kendall
20 hours ago






1




1





What you suggest already exists and It doesn't expose your DB to the world as you are suggesting too. It also abstract the QL from the DB so that you can use SQL, noSQL or whatever your DB is.

– Laiv
20 hours ago







What you suggest already exists and It doesn't expose your DB to the world as you are suggesting too. It also abstract the QL from the DB so that you can use SQL, noSQL or whatever your DB is.

– Laiv
20 hours ago






3




3





@nalzok: SQL is Turing-complete, which means it is impossible to validate statically.

– Jörg W Mittag
19 hours ago





@nalzok: SQL is Turing-complete, which means it is impossible to validate statically.

– Jörg W Mittag
19 hours ago




3




3





This is very simple to understand why it's a terrible idea. Implement it yourself. At some point, you will realise that your are investing the time mostly in 1 thing: security. Not too later you will feel somewhat upset because you are implementing a caped TOAD. Then you will realise how hard is mapping rows all over the system and you will try to reinvent the ORM wheel on both sides: client and server. By the time you give up, your PM will ask you for report: how is the users' service going? Is it done?"...

– Laiv
15 hours ago







This is very simple to understand why it's a terrible idea. Implement it yourself. At some point, you will realise that your are investing the time mostly in 1 thing: security. Not too later you will feel somewhat upset because you are implementing a caped TOAD. Then you will realise how hard is mapping rows all over the system and you will try to reinvent the ORM wheel on both sides: client and server. By the time you give up, your PM will ask you for report: how is the users' service going? Is it done?"...

– Laiv
15 hours ago












4 Answers
4






active

oldest

votes


















15














Basically, abstraction.



SQL requires your clients to know your exact database structure, which is not good. On top of that, analysing the SQL in order to perform special operations based on the value sent as the input is a really difficult thing to do. There are entire softwares which are pretty much responsible only for that. Do you know what those are? If you have guessed the databases, you are right.



Thanks to not exposing the SQL directly, you are not limiting the consumer of the API to the internal representation of your database. You easily expose only what you want to expose.



And since clients of the API depend only on the abstraction, you are free to have as many layers as possible between the API input and the actual database (security, caching, loading data from multiple databases on a single request,...).



For public services, exposing a database directly is pretty much never the right approach. If you however have a few internal systems, sure, your approach might make sense but even then it might just be easier to connect to application A's database directly from Application B by giving the database credentials to the Application B, rather than trying to come up with a custom HTTP interface for the database SQL language.






Why can't I just compare the URL (or SQL query) against keys in Redis
before performing the actual query on the RDBMS?




Because it's not easy. Even if someone uses a very simple query, such as:



SELECT st.id, jt.name
FROM some_table st
INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
WHERE st.name = 'hello
world' AND st.type = 'STANDARD'


how do you make sure the result is properly cached? This query includes newlines, but someone could just as well write the query in the following way:



SELECT st.id, jt.name FROM some_table st INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id WHERE st.name = 'hello
world' AND st.type = 'STANDARD'


and it's still supposed to be cached in the same way as the one above. I have specifically included a where in which a string search contains a new line, so simply finding line endings and replacing them with a space is not going to work here, parsing the request correctly would be much more complicated.



And even if you do fix that, another query could switch the order of conditions and the query would look like this:



SELECT st.id, jt.name
FROM some_table st
INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
WHERE st.type = 'STANDARD' AND st.name = 'hello
world'


and another request could contain a redundant WHERE argument, like this:



SELECT st.id, jt.name
FROM some_table st
INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
WHERE st.type = 'STANDARD' AND st.name = 'hello
world' AND st.stype = 'STANDARD'


All of those queries are still supposed to return the same result, should be cached in the same way. But handling all of the possible options is pretty much impossible. That's why you cannot simply compare the URL against keys in Redis.






share|improve this answer

































    6














    In theory there is no reason you can't expose an SQL interface like this.



    In practice SQL is far too powerful to be effectively limited to the security scope you want to expose.



    Even if you allow only read access, a bad query can still hog resources.



    Other languages such as graphQL are designed to be exposed. They are merely giving users a filter option on what they could already see.



    The benefit of using these languages is that they have gone through all the things you would want to stop users doing in SQL and taken them off the table.






    share|improve this answer


























    • Thanks for the answer, but could you explain how GraphQL solve the problem of resource draining? A rogue GraphQL query can still say “tell me everything about each movie and their actors“, resulting in a huge graph, and exhausting my DBMS and network.

      – nalzok
      29 mins ago



















    0














    if you want expose SQL like GraphQL, you will could need something like GraphQL, because you will need hide the important information and select what you want to show in the API, this for security.



    GraphQl and SQL are different things, SQL is the language to query DataBase and GraphQL is only to manage the data from API,in API you will need make yours schemas to show and querys to manage it, etc.



    in any API you will need make those things for simply security, but if you want something that is free data access maybe it would work, you know so many alternatives in the software world






    share|improve this answer































      0














      As others have mentioned, exposing SQL directly in the api is a very bad option. GraphQL, despite it's name, is not an abstraction for SQL, but for any data store or even other services.



      If you are looking for an abstraction that is closer to SQL, you might want to have a look at odata (if you happen to work in .NET backends, though maybe other implementations exist).






      share|improve this answer
























        Your Answer








        StackExchange.ready(function() {
        var channelOptions = {
        tags: "".split(" "),
        id: "131"
        };
        initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

        StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
        // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
        if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
        StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
        createEditor();
        });
        }
        else {
        createEditor();
        }
        });

        function createEditor() {
        StackExchange.prepareEditor({
        heartbeatType: 'answer',
        autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
        convertImagesToLinks: false,
        noModals: true,
        showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
        reputationToPostImages: null,
        bindNavPrevention: true,
        postfix: "",
        imageUploader: {
        brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
        contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
        allowUrls: true
        },
        onDemand: true,
        discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
        ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
        });


        }
        });






        nalzok is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.










        draft saved

        draft discarded


















        StackExchange.ready(
        function () {
        StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fsoftwareengineering.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f389900%2fwhy-not-use-sql-instead-of-graphql%23new-answer', 'question_page');
        }
        );

        Post as a guest















        Required, but never shown

























        4 Answers
        4






        active

        oldest

        votes








        4 Answers
        4






        active

        oldest

        votes









        active

        oldest

        votes






        active

        oldest

        votes









        15














        Basically, abstraction.



        SQL requires your clients to know your exact database structure, which is not good. On top of that, analysing the SQL in order to perform special operations based on the value sent as the input is a really difficult thing to do. There are entire softwares which are pretty much responsible only for that. Do you know what those are? If you have guessed the databases, you are right.



        Thanks to not exposing the SQL directly, you are not limiting the consumer of the API to the internal representation of your database. You easily expose only what you want to expose.



        And since clients of the API depend only on the abstraction, you are free to have as many layers as possible between the API input and the actual database (security, caching, loading data from multiple databases on a single request,...).



        For public services, exposing a database directly is pretty much never the right approach. If you however have a few internal systems, sure, your approach might make sense but even then it might just be easier to connect to application A's database directly from Application B by giving the database credentials to the Application B, rather than trying to come up with a custom HTTP interface for the database SQL language.






        Why can't I just compare the URL (or SQL query) against keys in Redis
        before performing the actual query on the RDBMS?




        Because it's not easy. Even if someone uses a very simple query, such as:



        SELECT st.id, jt.name
        FROM some_table st
        INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
        WHERE st.name = 'hello
        world' AND st.type = 'STANDARD'


        how do you make sure the result is properly cached? This query includes newlines, but someone could just as well write the query in the following way:



        SELECT st.id, jt.name FROM some_table st INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id WHERE st.name = 'hello
        world' AND st.type = 'STANDARD'


        and it's still supposed to be cached in the same way as the one above. I have specifically included a where in which a string search contains a new line, so simply finding line endings and replacing them with a space is not going to work here, parsing the request correctly would be much more complicated.



        And even if you do fix that, another query could switch the order of conditions and the query would look like this:



        SELECT st.id, jt.name
        FROM some_table st
        INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
        WHERE st.type = 'STANDARD' AND st.name = 'hello
        world'


        and another request could contain a redundant WHERE argument, like this:



        SELECT st.id, jt.name
        FROM some_table st
        INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
        WHERE st.type = 'STANDARD' AND st.name = 'hello
        world' AND st.stype = 'STANDARD'


        All of those queries are still supposed to return the same result, should be cached in the same way. But handling all of the possible options is pretty much impossible. That's why you cannot simply compare the URL against keys in Redis.






        share|improve this answer






























          15














          Basically, abstraction.



          SQL requires your clients to know your exact database structure, which is not good. On top of that, analysing the SQL in order to perform special operations based on the value sent as the input is a really difficult thing to do. There are entire softwares which are pretty much responsible only for that. Do you know what those are? If you have guessed the databases, you are right.



          Thanks to not exposing the SQL directly, you are not limiting the consumer of the API to the internal representation of your database. You easily expose only what you want to expose.



          And since clients of the API depend only on the abstraction, you are free to have as many layers as possible between the API input and the actual database (security, caching, loading data from multiple databases on a single request,...).



          For public services, exposing a database directly is pretty much never the right approach. If you however have a few internal systems, sure, your approach might make sense but even then it might just be easier to connect to application A's database directly from Application B by giving the database credentials to the Application B, rather than trying to come up with a custom HTTP interface for the database SQL language.






          Why can't I just compare the URL (or SQL query) against keys in Redis
          before performing the actual query on the RDBMS?




          Because it's not easy. Even if someone uses a very simple query, such as:



          SELECT st.id, jt.name
          FROM some_table st
          INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
          WHERE st.name = 'hello
          world' AND st.type = 'STANDARD'


          how do you make sure the result is properly cached? This query includes newlines, but someone could just as well write the query in the following way:



          SELECT st.id, jt.name FROM some_table st INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id WHERE st.name = 'hello
          world' AND st.type = 'STANDARD'


          and it's still supposed to be cached in the same way as the one above. I have specifically included a where in which a string search contains a new line, so simply finding line endings and replacing them with a space is not going to work here, parsing the request correctly would be much more complicated.



          And even if you do fix that, another query could switch the order of conditions and the query would look like this:



          SELECT st.id, jt.name
          FROM some_table st
          INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
          WHERE st.type = 'STANDARD' AND st.name = 'hello
          world'


          and another request could contain a redundant WHERE argument, like this:



          SELECT st.id, jt.name
          FROM some_table st
          INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
          WHERE st.type = 'STANDARD' AND st.name = 'hello
          world' AND st.stype = 'STANDARD'


          All of those queries are still supposed to return the same result, should be cached in the same way. But handling all of the possible options is pretty much impossible. That's why you cannot simply compare the URL against keys in Redis.






          share|improve this answer




























            15












            15








            15







            Basically, abstraction.



            SQL requires your clients to know your exact database structure, which is not good. On top of that, analysing the SQL in order to perform special operations based on the value sent as the input is a really difficult thing to do. There are entire softwares which are pretty much responsible only for that. Do you know what those are? If you have guessed the databases, you are right.



            Thanks to not exposing the SQL directly, you are not limiting the consumer of the API to the internal representation of your database. You easily expose only what you want to expose.



            And since clients of the API depend only on the abstraction, you are free to have as many layers as possible between the API input and the actual database (security, caching, loading data from multiple databases on a single request,...).



            For public services, exposing a database directly is pretty much never the right approach. If you however have a few internal systems, sure, your approach might make sense but even then it might just be easier to connect to application A's database directly from Application B by giving the database credentials to the Application B, rather than trying to come up with a custom HTTP interface for the database SQL language.






            Why can't I just compare the URL (or SQL query) against keys in Redis
            before performing the actual query on the RDBMS?




            Because it's not easy. Even if someone uses a very simple query, such as:



            SELECT st.id, jt.name
            FROM some_table st
            INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
            WHERE st.name = 'hello
            world' AND st.type = 'STANDARD'


            how do you make sure the result is properly cached? This query includes newlines, but someone could just as well write the query in the following way:



            SELECT st.id, jt.name FROM some_table st INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id WHERE st.name = 'hello
            world' AND st.type = 'STANDARD'


            and it's still supposed to be cached in the same way as the one above. I have specifically included a where in which a string search contains a new line, so simply finding line endings and replacing them with a space is not going to work here, parsing the request correctly would be much more complicated.



            And even if you do fix that, another query could switch the order of conditions and the query would look like this:



            SELECT st.id, jt.name
            FROM some_table st
            INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
            WHERE st.type = 'STANDARD' AND st.name = 'hello
            world'


            and another request could contain a redundant WHERE argument, like this:



            SELECT st.id, jt.name
            FROM some_table st
            INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
            WHERE st.type = 'STANDARD' AND st.name = 'hello
            world' AND st.stype = 'STANDARD'


            All of those queries are still supposed to return the same result, should be cached in the same way. But handling all of the possible options is pretty much impossible. That's why you cannot simply compare the URL against keys in Redis.






            share|improve this answer















            Basically, abstraction.



            SQL requires your clients to know your exact database structure, which is not good. On top of that, analysing the SQL in order to perform special operations based on the value sent as the input is a really difficult thing to do. There are entire softwares which are pretty much responsible only for that. Do you know what those are? If you have guessed the databases, you are right.



            Thanks to not exposing the SQL directly, you are not limiting the consumer of the API to the internal representation of your database. You easily expose only what you want to expose.



            And since clients of the API depend only on the abstraction, you are free to have as many layers as possible between the API input and the actual database (security, caching, loading data from multiple databases on a single request,...).



            For public services, exposing a database directly is pretty much never the right approach. If you however have a few internal systems, sure, your approach might make sense but even then it might just be easier to connect to application A's database directly from Application B by giving the database credentials to the Application B, rather than trying to come up with a custom HTTP interface for the database SQL language.






            Why can't I just compare the URL (or SQL query) against keys in Redis
            before performing the actual query on the RDBMS?




            Because it's not easy. Even if someone uses a very simple query, such as:



            SELECT st.id, jt.name
            FROM some_table st
            INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
            WHERE st.name = 'hello
            world' AND st.type = 'STANDARD'


            how do you make sure the result is properly cached? This query includes newlines, but someone could just as well write the query in the following way:



            SELECT st.id, jt.name FROM some_table st INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id WHERE st.name = 'hello
            world' AND st.type = 'STANDARD'


            and it's still supposed to be cached in the same way as the one above. I have specifically included a where in which a string search contains a new line, so simply finding line endings and replacing them with a space is not going to work here, parsing the request correctly would be much more complicated.



            And even if you do fix that, another query could switch the order of conditions and the query would look like this:



            SELECT st.id, jt.name
            FROM some_table st
            INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
            WHERE st.type = 'STANDARD' AND st.name = 'hello
            world'


            and another request could contain a redundant WHERE argument, like this:



            SELECT st.id, jt.name
            FROM some_table st
            INNER JOIN join_table jt ON jt.some_table_id = st.id
            WHERE st.type = 'STANDARD' AND st.name = 'hello
            world' AND st.stype = 'STANDARD'


            All of those queries are still supposed to return the same result, should be cached in the same way. But handling all of the possible options is pretty much impossible. That's why you cannot simply compare the URL against keys in Redis.







            share|improve this answer














            share|improve this answer



            share|improve this answer








            edited 8 hours ago

























            answered 15 hours ago









            AndyAndy

            7,59711438




            7,59711438

























                6














                In theory there is no reason you can't expose an SQL interface like this.



                In practice SQL is far too powerful to be effectively limited to the security scope you want to expose.



                Even if you allow only read access, a bad query can still hog resources.



                Other languages such as graphQL are designed to be exposed. They are merely giving users a filter option on what they could already see.



                The benefit of using these languages is that they have gone through all the things you would want to stop users doing in SQL and taken them off the table.






                share|improve this answer


























                • Thanks for the answer, but could you explain how GraphQL solve the problem of resource draining? A rogue GraphQL query can still say “tell me everything about each movie and their actors“, resulting in a huge graph, and exhausting my DBMS and network.

                  – nalzok
                  29 mins ago
















                6














                In theory there is no reason you can't expose an SQL interface like this.



                In practice SQL is far too powerful to be effectively limited to the security scope you want to expose.



                Even if you allow only read access, a bad query can still hog resources.



                Other languages such as graphQL are designed to be exposed. They are merely giving users a filter option on what they could already see.



                The benefit of using these languages is that they have gone through all the things you would want to stop users doing in SQL and taken them off the table.






                share|improve this answer


























                • Thanks for the answer, but could you explain how GraphQL solve the problem of resource draining? A rogue GraphQL query can still say “tell me everything about each movie and their actors“, resulting in a huge graph, and exhausting my DBMS and network.

                  – nalzok
                  29 mins ago














                6












                6








                6







                In theory there is no reason you can't expose an SQL interface like this.



                In practice SQL is far too powerful to be effectively limited to the security scope you want to expose.



                Even if you allow only read access, a bad query can still hog resources.



                Other languages such as graphQL are designed to be exposed. They are merely giving users a filter option on what they could already see.



                The benefit of using these languages is that they have gone through all the things you would want to stop users doing in SQL and taken them off the table.






                share|improve this answer















                In theory there is no reason you can't expose an SQL interface like this.



                In practice SQL is far too powerful to be effectively limited to the security scope you want to expose.



                Even if you allow only read access, a bad query can still hog resources.



                Other languages such as graphQL are designed to be exposed. They are merely giving users a filter option on what they could already see.



                The benefit of using these languages is that they have gone through all the things you would want to stop users doing in SQL and taken them off the table.







                share|improve this answer














                share|improve this answer



                share|improve this answer








                edited 10 hours ago

























                answered 13 hours ago









                EwanEwan

                43.2k33695




                43.2k33695













                • Thanks for the answer, but could you explain how GraphQL solve the problem of resource draining? A rogue GraphQL query can still say “tell me everything about each movie and their actors“, resulting in a huge graph, and exhausting my DBMS and network.

                  – nalzok
                  29 mins ago



















                • Thanks for the answer, but could you explain how GraphQL solve the problem of resource draining? A rogue GraphQL query can still say “tell me everything about each movie and their actors“, resulting in a huge graph, and exhausting my DBMS and network.

                  – nalzok
                  29 mins ago

















                Thanks for the answer, but could you explain how GraphQL solve the problem of resource draining? A rogue GraphQL query can still say “tell me everything about each movie and their actors“, resulting in a huge graph, and exhausting my DBMS and network.

                – nalzok
                29 mins ago





                Thanks for the answer, but could you explain how GraphQL solve the problem of resource draining? A rogue GraphQL query can still say “tell me everything about each movie and their actors“, resulting in a huge graph, and exhausting my DBMS and network.

                – nalzok
                29 mins ago











                0














                if you want expose SQL like GraphQL, you will could need something like GraphQL, because you will need hide the important information and select what you want to show in the API, this for security.



                GraphQl and SQL are different things, SQL is the language to query DataBase and GraphQL is only to manage the data from API,in API you will need make yours schemas to show and querys to manage it, etc.



                in any API you will need make those things for simply security, but if you want something that is free data access maybe it would work, you know so many alternatives in the software world






                share|improve this answer




























                  0














                  if you want expose SQL like GraphQL, you will could need something like GraphQL, because you will need hide the important information and select what you want to show in the API, this for security.



                  GraphQl and SQL are different things, SQL is the language to query DataBase and GraphQL is only to manage the data from API,in API you will need make yours schemas to show and querys to manage it, etc.



                  in any API you will need make those things for simply security, but if you want something that is free data access maybe it would work, you know so many alternatives in the software world






                  share|improve this answer


























                    0












                    0








                    0







                    if you want expose SQL like GraphQL, you will could need something like GraphQL, because you will need hide the important information and select what you want to show in the API, this for security.



                    GraphQl and SQL are different things, SQL is the language to query DataBase and GraphQL is only to manage the data from API,in API you will need make yours schemas to show and querys to manage it, etc.



                    in any API you will need make those things for simply security, but if you want something that is free data access maybe it would work, you know so many alternatives in the software world






                    share|improve this answer













                    if you want expose SQL like GraphQL, you will could need something like GraphQL, because you will need hide the important information and select what you want to show in the API, this for security.



                    GraphQl and SQL are different things, SQL is the language to query DataBase and GraphQL is only to manage the data from API,in API you will need make yours schemas to show and querys to manage it, etc.



                    in any API you will need make those things for simply security, but if you want something that is free data access maybe it would work, you know so many alternatives in the software world







                    share|improve this answer












                    share|improve this answer



                    share|improve this answer










                    answered 10 hours ago









                    Jorge Félix CazarezJorge Félix Cazarez

                    63




                    63























                        0














                        As others have mentioned, exposing SQL directly in the api is a very bad option. GraphQL, despite it's name, is not an abstraction for SQL, but for any data store or even other services.



                        If you are looking for an abstraction that is closer to SQL, you might want to have a look at odata (if you happen to work in .NET backends, though maybe other implementations exist).






                        share|improve this answer




























                          0














                          As others have mentioned, exposing SQL directly in the api is a very bad option. GraphQL, despite it's name, is not an abstraction for SQL, but for any data store or even other services.



                          If you are looking for an abstraction that is closer to SQL, you might want to have a look at odata (if you happen to work in .NET backends, though maybe other implementations exist).






                          share|improve this answer


























                            0












                            0








                            0







                            As others have mentioned, exposing SQL directly in the api is a very bad option. GraphQL, despite it's name, is not an abstraction for SQL, but for any data store or even other services.



                            If you are looking for an abstraction that is closer to SQL, you might want to have a look at odata (if you happen to work in .NET backends, though maybe other implementations exist).






                            share|improve this answer













                            As others have mentioned, exposing SQL directly in the api is a very bad option. GraphQL, despite it's name, is not an abstraction for SQL, but for any data store or even other services.



                            If you are looking for an abstraction that is closer to SQL, you might want to have a look at odata (if you happen to work in .NET backends, though maybe other implementations exist).







                            share|improve this answer












                            share|improve this answer



                            share|improve this answer










                            answered 9 hours ago









                            jannikbjannikb

                            513




                            513






















                                nalzok is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.










                                draft saved

                                draft discarded


















                                nalzok is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.













                                nalzok is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.












                                nalzok is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
















                                Thanks for contributing an answer to Software Engineering Stack Exchange!


                                • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                                But avoid



                                • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                                • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


                                To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




                                draft saved


                                draft discarded














                                StackExchange.ready(
                                function () {
                                StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fsoftwareengineering.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f389900%2fwhy-not-use-sql-instead-of-graphql%23new-answer', 'question_page');
                                }
                                );

                                Post as a guest















                                Required, but never shown





















































                                Required, but never shown














                                Required, but never shown












                                Required, but never shown







                                Required, but never shown

































                                Required, but never shown














                                Required, but never shown












                                Required, but never shown







                                Required, but never shown







                                Popular posts from this blog

                                How to label and detect the document text images

                                Vallis Paradisi

                                Tabula Rosettana