When communicating altitude with a '9' in it, should it be pronounced “nine hundred” or “niner...












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It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.



E.g. 9900
"Nine-thousand-nine-hundred"
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"Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"










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    It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.



    E.g. 9900
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    "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"










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      It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.



      E.g. 9900
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      vs
      "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"










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      It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.



      E.g. 9900
      "Nine-thousand-nine-hundred"
      vs
      "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"







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          In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:




          All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
          height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
          whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
          each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
          HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
          hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
          of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
          followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
          follows:



          Table 5 
          Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
          10 One Zero WUN ZERO
          100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
          2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
          11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
          25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND



          There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.



          I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation



          No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer






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            Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.



            From Wikipedia




            The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
            Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
            phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
            phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
            radiotelephone spelling alphabet.




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              NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.



              With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.






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                What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
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              In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:




              All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
              height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
              whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
              each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
              HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
              hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
              of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
              followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
              follows:



              Table 5 
              Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
              10 One Zero WUN ZERO
              100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
              2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
              11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
              25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND



              There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.



              I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation



              No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer






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                $begingroup$

                In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:




                All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
                height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
                whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
                each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
                HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
                hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
                of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
                followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
                follows:



                Table 5 
                Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
                10 One Zero WUN ZERO
                100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
                2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
                11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
                25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND



                There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.



                I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation



                No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer






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                  In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:




                  All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
                  height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
                  whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
                  each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
                  HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
                  hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
                  of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
                  followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
                  follows:



                  Table 5 
                  Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
                  10 One Zero WUN ZERO
                  100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
                  2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
                  11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
                  25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND



                  There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.



                  I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation



                  No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer






                  share|improve this answer









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                  In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:




                  All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
                  height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
                  whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
                  each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
                  HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
                  hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
                  of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
                  followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
                  follows:



                  Table 5 
                  Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
                  10 One Zero WUN ZERO
                  100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
                  2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
                  11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
                  25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND



                  There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.



                  I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation



                  No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer







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                      Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.



                      From Wikipedia




                      The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
                      Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
                      phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
                      phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
                      radiotelephone spelling alphabet.




                      enter image description here






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                        Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.



                        From Wikipedia




                        The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
                        Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
                        phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
                        phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
                        radiotelephone spelling alphabet.




                        enter image description here






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                          Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.



                          From Wikipedia




                          The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
                          Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
                          phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
                          phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
                          radiotelephone spelling alphabet.




                          enter image description here






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                          Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.



                          From Wikipedia




                          The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
                          Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
                          phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
                          phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
                          radiotelephone spelling alphabet.




                          enter image description here







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                              NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.



                              With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.






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                                What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
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                                – Wayne Conrad
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                              NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.



                              With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.






                              share|improve this answer









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                                $begingroup$
                                What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                                $endgroup$
                                – Wayne Conrad
                                1 hour ago














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                              NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.



                              With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.






                              share|improve this answer









                              $endgroup$



                              NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.



                              With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.







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                                What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                                $endgroup$
                                – Wayne Conrad
                                1 hour ago














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                                $begingroup$
                                What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                                $endgroup$
                                – Wayne Conrad
                                1 hour ago








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                              What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                              $endgroup$
                              – Wayne Conrad
                              1 hour ago




                              $begingroup$
                              What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                              $endgroup$
                              – Wayne Conrad
                              1 hour ago










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