Determine whether f is a function, an injection, a surjection
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Let $P={p(x)$ | $p(x)$ is a polynomial of degree $n$, $n in Bbb Z^+cup{0} $ with coefficients in $Bbb R }$. Define $f : Prightarrow P$ where $f(p(x)) =p'(x)$, the derivative of $p(x)$.
Determine whether $f$ is a function, an injection, a surjection, a bijection.
Now I have the solutions, and I understand that it is a function because each polynomial has a unique derivative. And it is not an injection as the antiderivative of a given polynomial is not unique.
However, I do not understand the book's solution for determining whether it is a surjection, nor am I able to come up with one myself. In all honesty, I think I am having trouble understanding the mapping from P to P. The solution states that it is a surjection. Why is this so?
calculus functions derivatives elementary-set-theory
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Let $P={p(x)$ | $p(x)$ is a polynomial of degree $n$, $n in Bbb Z^+cup{0} $ with coefficients in $Bbb R }$. Define $f : Prightarrow P$ where $f(p(x)) =p'(x)$, the derivative of $p(x)$.
Determine whether $f$ is a function, an injection, a surjection, a bijection.
Now I have the solutions, and I understand that it is a function because each polynomial has a unique derivative. And it is not an injection as the antiderivative of a given polynomial is not unique.
However, I do not understand the book's solution for determining whether it is a surjection, nor am I able to come up with one myself. In all honesty, I think I am having trouble understanding the mapping from P to P. The solution states that it is a surjection. Why is this so?
calculus functions derivatives elementary-set-theory
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This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
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– José Carlos Santos
2 hours ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
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– Bernard
2 hours ago
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I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
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– Tony S.F.
2 hours ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
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– Clayton
2 hours ago
1
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
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– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago
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show 5 more comments
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Let $P={p(x)$ | $p(x)$ is a polynomial of degree $n$, $n in Bbb Z^+cup{0} $ with coefficients in $Bbb R }$. Define $f : Prightarrow P$ where $f(p(x)) =p'(x)$, the derivative of $p(x)$.
Determine whether $f$ is a function, an injection, a surjection, a bijection.
Now I have the solutions, and I understand that it is a function because each polynomial has a unique derivative. And it is not an injection as the antiderivative of a given polynomial is not unique.
However, I do not understand the book's solution for determining whether it is a surjection, nor am I able to come up with one myself. In all honesty, I think I am having trouble understanding the mapping from P to P. The solution states that it is a surjection. Why is this so?
calculus functions derivatives elementary-set-theory
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Let $P={p(x)$ | $p(x)$ is a polynomial of degree $n$, $n in Bbb Z^+cup{0} $ with coefficients in $Bbb R }$. Define $f : Prightarrow P$ where $f(p(x)) =p'(x)$, the derivative of $p(x)$.
Determine whether $f$ is a function, an injection, a surjection, a bijection.
Now I have the solutions, and I understand that it is a function because each polynomial has a unique derivative. And it is not an injection as the antiderivative of a given polynomial is not unique.
However, I do not understand the book's solution for determining whether it is a surjection, nor am I able to come up with one myself. In all honesty, I think I am having trouble understanding the mapping from P to P. The solution states that it is a surjection. Why is this so?
calculus functions derivatives elementary-set-theory
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This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
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– José Carlos Santos
2 hours ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
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– Bernard
2 hours ago
2
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I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
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– Tony S.F.
2 hours ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
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– Clayton
2 hours ago
1
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
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– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago
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show 5 more comments
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This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
2 hours ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
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– Bernard
2 hours ago
2
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I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
$endgroup$
– Tony S.F.
2 hours ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
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– Clayton
2 hours ago
1
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
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– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago
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This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
2 hours ago
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This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
2 hours ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
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– Bernard
2 hours ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
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– Bernard
2 hours ago
2
2
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I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
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– Tony S.F.
2 hours ago
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I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
$endgroup$
– Tony S.F.
2 hours ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
$endgroup$
– Clayton
2 hours ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
$endgroup$
– Clayton
2 hours ago
1
1
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
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To see that $f$ is a surjection we take an arbitrary element $y$ in $P$ and show that $exists xin P$ such that $f(x)=y$. This is what it means to be surjective; we cover the entire space with the image of $f$ on $P$.
Let $pin P$, i.e. $p$ is some polynomial $p(x)$. Then $p(x)$ has an antiderivative, $q(x) = int p(x)dx$. This antiderivative is a polynomial (easy to check), so it is in $P$. Then $f(q) = p$, and since $p$ was arbitrary, $f$ is therefore surjective.
Here is a more concrete analogy to help you understand what a surjection is.
Imagine you have two lists of names, one for adults and one for children. Imagine that someone says they have a way to assign names from the adult list to names in children list. Their way of assigning the names is surjective if every name is the children list is assigned at least one name in the adult list. This would mean that if you pick a name from the children list as random, there is at least one adult name corresponding to it.
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This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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For any polynomial $p (x) $ there exists its integral $P (x) $, for which $p $ is a derivative: $$p (x)=P'(x)$$ and which itself is a real-coefficients polynomial, too $$P(x)in P$$ Hence each $p(x) in P$ is in the image of your function $f$. Then $f$ is surjective.
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Think about what the inverse mapping for $f$ would be if indeed it would be a surjection: it would take the derivatives to the original function. Phrased another way, it would take a function to its antiderivative, right?
Well, we know that all polynomials have an antiderivative (which is itself a polynomial), and since the codomain of $f$ is basically the set of real polynomials, we have a pre-image for each polynomial in $P$ - its antiderivative. Thus, $f$ is surjective.
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What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
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You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
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– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago
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To see that $f$ is a surjection we take an arbitrary element $y$ in $P$ and show that $exists xin P$ such that $f(x)=y$. This is what it means to be surjective; we cover the entire space with the image of $f$ on $P$.
Let $pin P$, i.e. $p$ is some polynomial $p(x)$. Then $p(x)$ has an antiderivative, $q(x) = int p(x)dx$. This antiderivative is a polynomial (easy to check), so it is in $P$. Then $f(q) = p$, and since $p$ was arbitrary, $f$ is therefore surjective.
Here is a more concrete analogy to help you understand what a surjection is.
Imagine you have two lists of names, one for adults and one for children. Imagine that someone says they have a way to assign names from the adult list to names in children list. Their way of assigning the names is surjective if every name is the children list is assigned at least one name in the adult list. This would mean that if you pick a name from the children list as random, there is at least one adult name corresponding to it.
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This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
To see that $f$ is a surjection we take an arbitrary element $y$ in $P$ and show that $exists xin P$ such that $f(x)=y$. This is what it means to be surjective; we cover the entire space with the image of $f$ on $P$.
Let $pin P$, i.e. $p$ is some polynomial $p(x)$. Then $p(x)$ has an antiderivative, $q(x) = int p(x)dx$. This antiderivative is a polynomial (easy to check), so it is in $P$. Then $f(q) = p$, and since $p$ was arbitrary, $f$ is therefore surjective.
Here is a more concrete analogy to help you understand what a surjection is.
Imagine you have two lists of names, one for adults and one for children. Imagine that someone says they have a way to assign names from the adult list to names in children list. Their way of assigning the names is surjective if every name is the children list is assigned at least one name in the adult list. This would mean that if you pick a name from the children list as random, there is at least one adult name corresponding to it.
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$begingroup$
This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
$endgroup$
– John Arg
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
To see that $f$ is a surjection we take an arbitrary element $y$ in $P$ and show that $exists xin P$ such that $f(x)=y$. This is what it means to be surjective; we cover the entire space with the image of $f$ on $P$.
Let $pin P$, i.e. $p$ is some polynomial $p(x)$. Then $p(x)$ has an antiderivative, $q(x) = int p(x)dx$. This antiderivative is a polynomial (easy to check), so it is in $P$. Then $f(q) = p$, and since $p$ was arbitrary, $f$ is therefore surjective.
Here is a more concrete analogy to help you understand what a surjection is.
Imagine you have two lists of names, one for adults and one for children. Imagine that someone says they have a way to assign names from the adult list to names in children list. Their way of assigning the names is surjective if every name is the children list is assigned at least one name in the adult list. This would mean that if you pick a name from the children list as random, there is at least one adult name corresponding to it.
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To see that $f$ is a surjection we take an arbitrary element $y$ in $P$ and show that $exists xin P$ such that $f(x)=y$. This is what it means to be surjective; we cover the entire space with the image of $f$ on $P$.
Let $pin P$, i.e. $p$ is some polynomial $p(x)$. Then $p(x)$ has an antiderivative, $q(x) = int p(x)dx$. This antiderivative is a polynomial (easy to check), so it is in $P$. Then $f(q) = p$, and since $p$ was arbitrary, $f$ is therefore surjective.
Here is a more concrete analogy to help you understand what a surjection is.
Imagine you have two lists of names, one for adults and one for children. Imagine that someone says they have a way to assign names from the adult list to names in children list. Their way of assigning the names is surjective if every name is the children list is assigned at least one name in the adult list. This would mean that if you pick a name from the children list as random, there is at least one adult name corresponding to it.
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This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
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This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
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This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
$endgroup$
– John Arg
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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For any polynomial $p (x) $ there exists its integral $P (x) $, for which $p $ is a derivative: $$p (x)=P'(x)$$ and which itself is a real-coefficients polynomial, too $$P(x)in P$$ Hence each $p(x) in P$ is in the image of your function $f$. Then $f$ is surjective.
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add a comment |
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For any polynomial $p (x) $ there exists its integral $P (x) $, for which $p $ is a derivative: $$p (x)=P'(x)$$ and which itself is a real-coefficients polynomial, too $$P(x)in P$$ Hence each $p(x) in P$ is in the image of your function $f$. Then $f$ is surjective.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
For any polynomial $p (x) $ there exists its integral $P (x) $, for which $p $ is a derivative: $$p (x)=P'(x)$$ and which itself is a real-coefficients polynomial, too $$P(x)in P$$ Hence each $p(x) in P$ is in the image of your function $f$. Then $f$ is surjective.
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For any polynomial $p (x) $ there exists its integral $P (x) $, for which $p $ is a derivative: $$p (x)=P'(x)$$ and which itself is a real-coefficients polynomial, too $$P(x)in P$$ Hence each $p(x) in P$ is in the image of your function $f$. Then $f$ is surjective.
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Think about what the inverse mapping for $f$ would be if indeed it would be a surjection: it would take the derivatives to the original function. Phrased another way, it would take a function to its antiderivative, right?
Well, we know that all polynomials have an antiderivative (which is itself a polynomial), and since the codomain of $f$ is basically the set of real polynomials, we have a pre-image for each polynomial in $P$ - its antiderivative. Thus, $f$ is surjective.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
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You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
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– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Think about what the inverse mapping for $f$ would be if indeed it would be a surjection: it would take the derivatives to the original function. Phrased another way, it would take a function to its antiderivative, right?
Well, we know that all polynomials have an antiderivative (which is itself a polynomial), and since the codomain of $f$ is basically the set of real polynomials, we have a pre-image for each polynomial in $P$ - its antiderivative. Thus, $f$ is surjective.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
What do you mean by pre-image?
$endgroup$
– John Arg
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Think about what the inverse mapping for $f$ would be if indeed it would be a surjection: it would take the derivatives to the original function. Phrased another way, it would take a function to its antiderivative, right?
Well, we know that all polynomials have an antiderivative (which is itself a polynomial), and since the codomain of $f$ is basically the set of real polynomials, we have a pre-image for each polynomial in $P$ - its antiderivative. Thus, $f$ is surjective.
$endgroup$
Think about what the inverse mapping for $f$ would be if indeed it would be a surjection: it would take the derivatives to the original function. Phrased another way, it would take a function to its antiderivative, right?
Well, we know that all polynomials have an antiderivative (which is itself a polynomial), and since the codomain of $f$ is basically the set of real polynomials, we have a pre-image for each polynomial in $P$ - its antiderivative. Thus, $f$ is surjective.
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What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
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You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
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– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago
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What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
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This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
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– José Carlos Santos
2 hours ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
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– Bernard
2 hours ago
2
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I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
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– Tony S.F.
2 hours ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
$endgroup$
– Clayton
2 hours ago
1
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
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– Eevee Trainer
2 hours ago