US citizenship for an Australian dual-national while on 90 day visa in America?
I am American citizen. My daughter will be in America with me on the 90-day visa waiver program. During that time she will be receiving her Consular Report of Birth Abroad and her US passport in the mail to our Australian addresss/home.
Can she go into customs and show them her us passport and consular birth abroad and then be declared a US citizen, so she does not have to fly back to Australia just to come back through customs again and show them her US passport and consular birth abroad?
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I am American citizen. My daughter will be in America with me on the 90-day visa waiver program. During that time she will be receiving her Consular Report of Birth Abroad and her US passport in the mail to our Australian addresss/home.
Can she go into customs and show them her us passport and consular birth abroad and then be declared a US citizen, so she does not have to fly back to Australia just to come back through customs again and show them her US passport and consular birth abroad?
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then be declared a US citizen She does not have to go anywhere to be declared, she is. The CRBA is proof of that.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
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If she has/will have a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, she was a US citizen at birth. So she should review her taxes file late tax returns with the IRS as necessary.
– Gerard Ashton
2 hours ago
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@GerardAshton I suspect that most people in the daughter's circumstances are too young to have to worry about that (i.e., born in 2018 or 2019), or haven't had enough income to be required to file, but your point is well taken for the few to whom it does apply.
– phoog
2 hours ago
You may actually be asked about the child's citizenship at the immigration checkpoint, since you've applied for the CRBA and the passport, and that could show up in the officer's database lookup. If that happens, the child should not be admitted under the visa waiver program but as a citizen. You can also bring it up yourself instead of waiting for the officer to do it.
– phoog
1 hour ago
I've edited the question to improve the terminology (the US is rather insistent that neither the VWP nor ESTA is a "visa"). If you have any questions about that, please let us know.
– phoog
35 mins ago
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I am American citizen. My daughter will be in America with me on the 90-day visa waiver program. During that time she will be receiving her Consular Report of Birth Abroad and her US passport in the mail to our Australian addresss/home.
Can she go into customs and show them her us passport and consular birth abroad and then be declared a US citizen, so she does not have to fly back to Australia just to come back through customs again and show them her US passport and consular birth abroad?
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I am American citizen. My daughter will be in America with me on the 90-day visa waiver program. During that time she will be receiving her Consular Report of Birth Abroad and her US passport in the mail to our Australian addresss/home.
Can she go into customs and show them her us passport and consular birth abroad and then be declared a US citizen, so she does not have to fly back to Australia just to come back through customs again and show them her US passport and consular birth abroad?
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then be declared a US citizen She does not have to go anywhere to be declared, she is. The CRBA is proof of that.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
1
If she has/will have a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, she was a US citizen at birth. So she should review her taxes file late tax returns with the IRS as necessary.
– Gerard Ashton
2 hours ago
2
@GerardAshton I suspect that most people in the daughter's circumstances are too young to have to worry about that (i.e., born in 2018 or 2019), or haven't had enough income to be required to file, but your point is well taken for the few to whom it does apply.
– phoog
2 hours ago
You may actually be asked about the child's citizenship at the immigration checkpoint, since you've applied for the CRBA and the passport, and that could show up in the officer's database lookup. If that happens, the child should not be admitted under the visa waiver program but as a citizen. You can also bring it up yourself instead of waiting for the officer to do it.
– phoog
1 hour ago
I've edited the question to improve the terminology (the US is rather insistent that neither the VWP nor ESTA is a "visa"). If you have any questions about that, please let us know.
– phoog
35 mins ago
|
show 2 more comments
3
then be declared a US citizen She does not have to go anywhere to be declared, she is. The CRBA is proof of that.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
1
If she has/will have a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, she was a US citizen at birth. So she should review her taxes file late tax returns with the IRS as necessary.
– Gerard Ashton
2 hours ago
2
@GerardAshton I suspect that most people in the daughter's circumstances are too young to have to worry about that (i.e., born in 2018 or 2019), or haven't had enough income to be required to file, but your point is well taken for the few to whom it does apply.
– phoog
2 hours ago
You may actually be asked about the child's citizenship at the immigration checkpoint, since you've applied for the CRBA and the passport, and that could show up in the officer's database lookup. If that happens, the child should not be admitted under the visa waiver program but as a citizen. You can also bring it up yourself instead of waiting for the officer to do it.
– phoog
1 hour ago
I've edited the question to improve the terminology (the US is rather insistent that neither the VWP nor ESTA is a "visa"). If you have any questions about that, please let us know.
– phoog
35 mins ago
3
3
then be declared a US citizen She does not have to go anywhere to be declared, she is. The CRBA is proof of that.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
then be declared a US citizen She does not have to go anywhere to be declared, she is. The CRBA is proof of that.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
1
1
If she has/will have a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, she was a US citizen at birth. So she should review her taxes file late tax returns with the IRS as necessary.
– Gerard Ashton
2 hours ago
If she has/will have a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, she was a US citizen at birth. So she should review her taxes file late tax returns with the IRS as necessary.
– Gerard Ashton
2 hours ago
2
2
@GerardAshton I suspect that most people in the daughter's circumstances are too young to have to worry about that (i.e., born in 2018 or 2019), or haven't had enough income to be required to file, but your point is well taken for the few to whom it does apply.
– phoog
2 hours ago
@GerardAshton I suspect that most people in the daughter's circumstances are too young to have to worry about that (i.e., born in 2018 or 2019), or haven't had enough income to be required to file, but your point is well taken for the few to whom it does apply.
– phoog
2 hours ago
You may actually be asked about the child's citizenship at the immigration checkpoint, since you've applied for the CRBA and the passport, and that could show up in the officer's database lookup. If that happens, the child should not be admitted under the visa waiver program but as a citizen. You can also bring it up yourself instead of waiting for the officer to do it.
– phoog
1 hour ago
You may actually be asked about the child's citizenship at the immigration checkpoint, since you've applied for the CRBA and the passport, and that could show up in the officer's database lookup. If that happens, the child should not be admitted under the visa waiver program but as a citizen. You can also bring it up yourself instead of waiting for the officer to do it.
– phoog
1 hour ago
I've edited the question to improve the terminology (the US is rather insistent that neither the VWP nor ESTA is a "visa"). If you have any questions about that, please let us know.
– phoog
35 mins ago
I've edited the question to improve the terminology (the US is rather insistent that neither the VWP nor ESTA is a "visa"). If you have any questions about that, please let us know.
– phoog
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Since you're making a consular record of birth abroad, presumably your daughter was a US citizen at birth. She can stay in the US as long as she wants. While she will get a stamp admitting her for 90 days in her Australian passport, this doesn't apply to her, as she is a US citizen.
Technically speaking, as a US citizen, she must enter the US using a US passport. However, breaking this law has no real penalty. See this answer, for an explanation of what could happen at the border.
So no, she neither needs to fly back to Australia, nor return to customs after arriving.
A significant difference here is that in the other question "nobody knows" that the child is a US citizen. In this case, it may be necessary to establish the child's citizenship at passport control.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog That's true, and I suppose any documents they might have to establish citizenship would have been the ones they sent off to get the passport. Hopefully the CBP officer is reasonable.
– MJeffryes
1 hour ago
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The premise of the question is that a US citizen has been admitted to the US under the visa waiver program and subsequently receives a US passport. In that circumstance, the other answer is correct, because as a matter of law, a US citizen cannot have any immigration status other than that of a US citizen. In fact, a US citizen who has been admitted under the VWP doesn't even need to get a US passport to remain in the US; any evidence of US citizenship will do.
The premise, however, is somewhat questionable. In other words, this sentence could be incorrect:
My daughter will be in America with me on the 90-day visa waiver program.
In fact, she might not be admitted on that basis. If your daughter's citizenship becomes apparent to the passport officer, she should be admitted as a US citizen even without a US passport. The officer could discover that your daughter is a US citizen in one of at least two ways:
- You mention it when you approach the passport inspection desk, or
- The officer finds a record of your daughter's passport application or CRBA application after scanning her Australian passport.
The second possibility is particularly likely if either application included your daughter's Australian passport number, but even if it did not, it's possible to match the records based on other biographical details, such as name and date and place of birth.
If this happens, the officer could give you a lecture about your daughter needing a US passport (or maybe not, since you've already applied for one). Then the officer should waive the requirement of 8 USC 1185(b), admitting your daughter as a US citizen. In that case, of course, there will be even less reason to do anything with regard to any record of her admission as an Australian citizen, because there would be no such record.
To prepare for this possibility, you may want to bring copies of the evidence you submitted with the CRBA application, in case the application hasn't yet been approved by the time you arrive in the US and the officer wants to have an independent look into the question of your daughter's citizenship.
add a comment |
If you are saying
1) the child will enter using an Aussie passport / visa and
2) while you are there the child will receive in the mail the birth record and also a US passport
Yes, it's all a non-issue. Do nothing.
Once the child receives the US passport, forget everything, she can stay in the US. (If she likes junk food :) )
Nothing to do or worry about there.
As a US citizen, she can stay in the US even if she never receives a US passport.
– phoog
1 min ago
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Since you're making a consular record of birth abroad, presumably your daughter was a US citizen at birth. She can stay in the US as long as she wants. While she will get a stamp admitting her for 90 days in her Australian passport, this doesn't apply to her, as she is a US citizen.
Technically speaking, as a US citizen, she must enter the US using a US passport. However, breaking this law has no real penalty. See this answer, for an explanation of what could happen at the border.
So no, she neither needs to fly back to Australia, nor return to customs after arriving.
A significant difference here is that in the other question "nobody knows" that the child is a US citizen. In this case, it may be necessary to establish the child's citizenship at passport control.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog That's true, and I suppose any documents they might have to establish citizenship would have been the ones they sent off to get the passport. Hopefully the CBP officer is reasonable.
– MJeffryes
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Since you're making a consular record of birth abroad, presumably your daughter was a US citizen at birth. She can stay in the US as long as she wants. While she will get a stamp admitting her for 90 days in her Australian passport, this doesn't apply to her, as she is a US citizen.
Technically speaking, as a US citizen, she must enter the US using a US passport. However, breaking this law has no real penalty. See this answer, for an explanation of what could happen at the border.
So no, she neither needs to fly back to Australia, nor return to customs after arriving.
A significant difference here is that in the other question "nobody knows" that the child is a US citizen. In this case, it may be necessary to establish the child's citizenship at passport control.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog That's true, and I suppose any documents they might have to establish citizenship would have been the ones they sent off to get the passport. Hopefully the CBP officer is reasonable.
– MJeffryes
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Since you're making a consular record of birth abroad, presumably your daughter was a US citizen at birth. She can stay in the US as long as she wants. While she will get a stamp admitting her for 90 days in her Australian passport, this doesn't apply to her, as she is a US citizen.
Technically speaking, as a US citizen, she must enter the US using a US passport. However, breaking this law has no real penalty. See this answer, for an explanation of what could happen at the border.
So no, she neither needs to fly back to Australia, nor return to customs after arriving.
Since you're making a consular record of birth abroad, presumably your daughter was a US citizen at birth. She can stay in the US as long as she wants. While she will get a stamp admitting her for 90 days in her Australian passport, this doesn't apply to her, as she is a US citizen.
Technically speaking, as a US citizen, she must enter the US using a US passport. However, breaking this law has no real penalty. See this answer, for an explanation of what could happen at the border.
So no, she neither needs to fly back to Australia, nor return to customs after arriving.
edited 4 hours ago
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A significant difference here is that in the other question "nobody knows" that the child is a US citizen. In this case, it may be necessary to establish the child's citizenship at passport control.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog That's true, and I suppose any documents they might have to establish citizenship would have been the ones they sent off to get the passport. Hopefully the CBP officer is reasonable.
– MJeffryes
1 hour ago
add a comment |
A significant difference here is that in the other question "nobody knows" that the child is a US citizen. In this case, it may be necessary to establish the child's citizenship at passport control.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog That's true, and I suppose any documents they might have to establish citizenship would have been the ones they sent off to get the passport. Hopefully the CBP officer is reasonable.
– MJeffryes
1 hour ago
A significant difference here is that in the other question "nobody knows" that the child is a US citizen. In this case, it may be necessary to establish the child's citizenship at passport control.
– phoog
1 hour ago
A significant difference here is that in the other question "nobody knows" that the child is a US citizen. In this case, it may be necessary to establish the child's citizenship at passport control.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog That's true, and I suppose any documents they might have to establish citizenship would have been the ones they sent off to get the passport. Hopefully the CBP officer is reasonable.
– MJeffryes
1 hour ago
@phoog That's true, and I suppose any documents they might have to establish citizenship would have been the ones they sent off to get the passport. Hopefully the CBP officer is reasonable.
– MJeffryes
1 hour ago
add a comment |
The premise of the question is that a US citizen has been admitted to the US under the visa waiver program and subsequently receives a US passport. In that circumstance, the other answer is correct, because as a matter of law, a US citizen cannot have any immigration status other than that of a US citizen. In fact, a US citizen who has been admitted under the VWP doesn't even need to get a US passport to remain in the US; any evidence of US citizenship will do.
The premise, however, is somewhat questionable. In other words, this sentence could be incorrect:
My daughter will be in America with me on the 90-day visa waiver program.
In fact, she might not be admitted on that basis. If your daughter's citizenship becomes apparent to the passport officer, she should be admitted as a US citizen even without a US passport. The officer could discover that your daughter is a US citizen in one of at least two ways:
- You mention it when you approach the passport inspection desk, or
- The officer finds a record of your daughter's passport application or CRBA application after scanning her Australian passport.
The second possibility is particularly likely if either application included your daughter's Australian passport number, but even if it did not, it's possible to match the records based on other biographical details, such as name and date and place of birth.
If this happens, the officer could give you a lecture about your daughter needing a US passport (or maybe not, since you've already applied for one). Then the officer should waive the requirement of 8 USC 1185(b), admitting your daughter as a US citizen. In that case, of course, there will be even less reason to do anything with regard to any record of her admission as an Australian citizen, because there would be no such record.
To prepare for this possibility, you may want to bring copies of the evidence you submitted with the CRBA application, in case the application hasn't yet been approved by the time you arrive in the US and the officer wants to have an independent look into the question of your daughter's citizenship.
add a comment |
The premise of the question is that a US citizen has been admitted to the US under the visa waiver program and subsequently receives a US passport. In that circumstance, the other answer is correct, because as a matter of law, a US citizen cannot have any immigration status other than that of a US citizen. In fact, a US citizen who has been admitted under the VWP doesn't even need to get a US passport to remain in the US; any evidence of US citizenship will do.
The premise, however, is somewhat questionable. In other words, this sentence could be incorrect:
My daughter will be in America with me on the 90-day visa waiver program.
In fact, she might not be admitted on that basis. If your daughter's citizenship becomes apparent to the passport officer, she should be admitted as a US citizen even without a US passport. The officer could discover that your daughter is a US citizen in one of at least two ways:
- You mention it when you approach the passport inspection desk, or
- The officer finds a record of your daughter's passport application or CRBA application after scanning her Australian passport.
The second possibility is particularly likely if either application included your daughter's Australian passport number, but even if it did not, it's possible to match the records based on other biographical details, such as name and date and place of birth.
If this happens, the officer could give you a lecture about your daughter needing a US passport (or maybe not, since you've already applied for one). Then the officer should waive the requirement of 8 USC 1185(b), admitting your daughter as a US citizen. In that case, of course, there will be even less reason to do anything with regard to any record of her admission as an Australian citizen, because there would be no such record.
To prepare for this possibility, you may want to bring copies of the evidence you submitted with the CRBA application, in case the application hasn't yet been approved by the time you arrive in the US and the officer wants to have an independent look into the question of your daughter's citizenship.
add a comment |
The premise of the question is that a US citizen has been admitted to the US under the visa waiver program and subsequently receives a US passport. In that circumstance, the other answer is correct, because as a matter of law, a US citizen cannot have any immigration status other than that of a US citizen. In fact, a US citizen who has been admitted under the VWP doesn't even need to get a US passport to remain in the US; any evidence of US citizenship will do.
The premise, however, is somewhat questionable. In other words, this sentence could be incorrect:
My daughter will be in America with me on the 90-day visa waiver program.
In fact, she might not be admitted on that basis. If your daughter's citizenship becomes apparent to the passport officer, she should be admitted as a US citizen even without a US passport. The officer could discover that your daughter is a US citizen in one of at least two ways:
- You mention it when you approach the passport inspection desk, or
- The officer finds a record of your daughter's passport application or CRBA application after scanning her Australian passport.
The second possibility is particularly likely if either application included your daughter's Australian passport number, but even if it did not, it's possible to match the records based on other biographical details, such as name and date and place of birth.
If this happens, the officer could give you a lecture about your daughter needing a US passport (or maybe not, since you've already applied for one). Then the officer should waive the requirement of 8 USC 1185(b), admitting your daughter as a US citizen. In that case, of course, there will be even less reason to do anything with regard to any record of her admission as an Australian citizen, because there would be no such record.
To prepare for this possibility, you may want to bring copies of the evidence you submitted with the CRBA application, in case the application hasn't yet been approved by the time you arrive in the US and the officer wants to have an independent look into the question of your daughter's citizenship.
The premise of the question is that a US citizen has been admitted to the US under the visa waiver program and subsequently receives a US passport. In that circumstance, the other answer is correct, because as a matter of law, a US citizen cannot have any immigration status other than that of a US citizen. In fact, a US citizen who has been admitted under the VWP doesn't even need to get a US passport to remain in the US; any evidence of US citizenship will do.
The premise, however, is somewhat questionable. In other words, this sentence could be incorrect:
My daughter will be in America with me on the 90-day visa waiver program.
In fact, she might not be admitted on that basis. If your daughter's citizenship becomes apparent to the passport officer, she should be admitted as a US citizen even without a US passport. The officer could discover that your daughter is a US citizen in one of at least two ways:
- You mention it when you approach the passport inspection desk, or
- The officer finds a record of your daughter's passport application or CRBA application after scanning her Australian passport.
The second possibility is particularly likely if either application included your daughter's Australian passport number, but even if it did not, it's possible to match the records based on other biographical details, such as name and date and place of birth.
If this happens, the officer could give you a lecture about your daughter needing a US passport (or maybe not, since you've already applied for one). Then the officer should waive the requirement of 8 USC 1185(b), admitting your daughter as a US citizen. In that case, of course, there will be even less reason to do anything with regard to any record of her admission as an Australian citizen, because there would be no such record.
To prepare for this possibility, you may want to bring copies of the evidence you submitted with the CRBA application, in case the application hasn't yet been approved by the time you arrive in the US and the officer wants to have an independent look into the question of your daughter's citizenship.
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If you are saying
1) the child will enter using an Aussie passport / visa and
2) while you are there the child will receive in the mail the birth record and also a US passport
Yes, it's all a non-issue. Do nothing.
Once the child receives the US passport, forget everything, she can stay in the US. (If she likes junk food :) )
Nothing to do or worry about there.
As a US citizen, she can stay in the US even if she never receives a US passport.
– phoog
1 min ago
add a comment |
If you are saying
1) the child will enter using an Aussie passport / visa and
2) while you are there the child will receive in the mail the birth record and also a US passport
Yes, it's all a non-issue. Do nothing.
Once the child receives the US passport, forget everything, she can stay in the US. (If she likes junk food :) )
Nothing to do or worry about there.
As a US citizen, she can stay in the US even if she never receives a US passport.
– phoog
1 min ago
add a comment |
If you are saying
1) the child will enter using an Aussie passport / visa and
2) while you are there the child will receive in the mail the birth record and also a US passport
Yes, it's all a non-issue. Do nothing.
Once the child receives the US passport, forget everything, she can stay in the US. (If she likes junk food :) )
Nothing to do or worry about there.
If you are saying
1) the child will enter using an Aussie passport / visa and
2) while you are there the child will receive in the mail the birth record and also a US passport
Yes, it's all a non-issue. Do nothing.
Once the child receives the US passport, forget everything, she can stay in the US. (If she likes junk food :) )
Nothing to do or worry about there.
answered 3 mins ago
FattieFattie
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As a US citizen, she can stay in the US even if she never receives a US passport.
– phoog
1 min ago
add a comment |
As a US citizen, she can stay in the US even if she never receives a US passport.
– phoog
1 min ago
As a US citizen, she can stay in the US even if she never receives a US passport.
– phoog
1 min ago
As a US citizen, she can stay in the US even if she never receives a US passport.
– phoog
1 min ago
add a comment |
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then be declared a US citizen She does not have to go anywhere to be declared, she is. The CRBA is proof of that.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
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If she has/will have a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, she was a US citizen at birth. So she should review her taxes file late tax returns with the IRS as necessary.
– Gerard Ashton
2 hours ago
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@GerardAshton I suspect that most people in the daughter's circumstances are too young to have to worry about that (i.e., born in 2018 or 2019), or haven't had enough income to be required to file, but your point is well taken for the few to whom it does apply.
– phoog
2 hours ago
You may actually be asked about the child's citizenship at the immigration checkpoint, since you've applied for the CRBA and the passport, and that could show up in the officer's database lookup. If that happens, the child should not be admitted under the visa waiver program but as a citizen. You can also bring it up yourself instead of waiting for the officer to do it.
– phoog
1 hour ago
I've edited the question to improve the terminology (the US is rather insistent that neither the VWP nor ESTA is a "visa"). If you have any questions about that, please let us know.
– phoog
35 mins ago