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3 dragons is nice. 100 dragons is better.



Is there some kind of reason that Daenerys is not breeding more dragons and taming them? Of course it costs food but it also gets more knees bent (because everybody in Westeros seems to have stiff knees), infact it turns them into jello.










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    Because all three dragons are male???

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    @Loki IIRC dragons don't have fixed genders. That might be a lie though.

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    They're only about five or six years old. What makes you think that's old enough for them to be of breeding age?

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    Because the people already hunted to extinction the storks large enough to deliver dragon eggs.

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3 dragons is nice. 100 dragons is better.



Is there some kind of reason that Daenerys is not breeding more dragons and taming them? Of course it costs food but it also gets more knees bent (because everybody in Westeros seems to have stiff knees), infact it turns them into jello.










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    @Loki IIRC dragons don't have fixed genders. That might be a lie though.

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    Because all three dragons are male???

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    @Loki IIRC dragons don't have fixed genders. That might be a lie though.

    – Edlothiad
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    They're only about five or six years old. What makes you think that's old enough for them to be of breeding age?

    – Mike Scott
    Aug 25 '17 at 9:08






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    @Edlothiad Is this true for GoT dragons? Can you back it up with some quote from the books/show?

    – Loki
    Aug 25 '17 at 9:10






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    Because the people already hunted to extinction the storks large enough to deliver dragon eggs.

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    Because all three dragons are male???

    – Loki
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    @Loki IIRC dragons don't have fixed genders. That might be a lie though.

    – Edlothiad
    Aug 25 '17 at 9:05






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    They're only about five or six years old. What makes you think that's old enough for them to be of breeding age?

    – Mike Scott
    Aug 25 '17 at 9:08






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    Aug 25 '17 at 9:10






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    Aug 25 '17 at 13:55








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They're only about five or six years old. What makes you think that's old enough for them to be of breeding age?

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Dragons can change their gender and as such don't have a true gender. Apparently certain Dragons are known to have been thought of as male or female though it is not known as to whether they kept the same gender for the whole of their lives.




Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame.
A Feast for Crows: Chapter 35, Samwell IV




For dragons to breed it appears a "female" lays eggs and then a "male" has to come along and fertilise them.



Now onto the question as to why they don't breed now as it appears they should be able to. Note that Dany's dragons are still very young only a few years old. It is possible that they just haven't developed the organs needed to breed yet.





The whole process around dragon breeding appears to be shrouded in a bit of a mystery but we could also speculate that dragons don't like to inbreed but I doubt that is the case.





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    @AnalysisStudent0414 I know but I doubted that part anyway. I only really put it in for completeness. Either way they could believe they are blood as they have the same mother even if they aren't physically.

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    As far as I'm aware, for external fertilisation, the egg laid by the female needs to be a "jelly" egg (cfr fish eggs), not a "shell" egg (cfr birds). That clashes with the almost stonelike dragon eggs, unless the egg hardens after fertilisation (it would then be weird for it to harden in a perfect egg-like shape). Is external fertilisation explicitly mentioned in the books?

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Still, dragons can live way older than humans, and may lay several clutches during its lifetime, but not that frequently (otherwise, the dragons would not be extinct). Dany's dragons are young, give them time.






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    Breeding more dragons



    Technically they should be able to breed eventually.



    A common misconception is that Daenerys' dragons are all males. That is not true.



    Dragons do not have a fixed gender1. They can change from male to female, and vice versa, at will.




    What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in
    from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw
    the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as
    flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is
    the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.
    AFFC - Samwell IV




    But we do not yet know when Dragons become capable of laying eggs and reproducing.



    Daenerys' dragons are a couple of years old, so they could be considered children among a species which lives for centuries.



    Presumably, they should be able to start reproducing at least after 10-20 years. Syrax was born in reign of King Jaehaerys I (Implied as Rhaenyra who was born in 97 AC during reign of the Old King and named the young dragon, which implies it was a hatchling and had no previous rider or name). It grew up during reign of King Viserys I and known to have laid eggs during that period. Viserys reigned from 103 AC to 129 AC for 26 years. If we assume that Syrax was born in 97 AC2 (As it existed back in the day of Jaehaerys I), Syrax must have been at least 10-20 years old when it first laid eggs in reign of King Viserys. It can't be emphasized enough that this is merely my speculation, Syrax could have been younger (could be more like <10 but that seems wrong given that dragons must have some stage in their early life when they are incapable of reproducing like all animals).



    The secrets of Dragonkind were lost when King Baelor ordered Septon Barth's Unnatural History to be burnt through out the Kingdom. So as of now, their nature is a mystery.



    So in conclusion, while Dragons are not barred from breeding on account of their gender, they are apparently not breeding because they are still very young and can't actually breed just as yet. This is however an opinion, the real answer would be "We do not know" as of now.





    1. There are those who dispute it but Barth was the leading expert in Dragonlore in Westeros and he actually had a first hand chance to observe dragons during reign of Jaehaerys I. Maester Aemon is also a great scholar and if he agrees with Barth instead, So do I. Munkun only saw the extinction of Dragons and the only Dragons he ever observed were sickly and dying. Thomax on the other hand, we do not know when did he live so we can't speculate on accuracy of his views.



    2. 97 AC because that's when Rhaenyra was born, during the reign of Jaehaerys I. It was a custom of Targaryens to lay dragon eggs in cribs of new born Targaryens, and it would hatch and grow with the child.






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      In the short term, we can't say for sure. In fact, it's possible one is pregnant now, how would we know?



      Regarding long term breeding, 3 individuals is probably below the minimum viable population for Dragons. Below that level, you eventually get inbreeding, which seems to be what happened to the dragons in Westeros.



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      • Actually I think what happened to them was they were chained up like Rhaegal and Viserion. Thus causing them to wither down. I'm not sure that inbreeding works the same way for people and creatures from valyria.

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      How would she get the eggs to hatch? Remember that last time it required the sacrifices of both a king and a witch to hatch the eggs. Perhaps that was because the eggs were older. But even with fresh eggs, hatching requires fire and sacrifice.



      It is possible that the sacrifice must be a loved one of the person making the sacrifice. Certainly Drogo and Rhaego met that criterion. And the witch was someone that Daenerys had saved from death. Daenerys had trusted her and been betrayed. She may have counted enough for those purposes.



      If Daenerys is the only one who could make the sacrifice, she would have to deliberately sacrifice someone she loves to hatch a dragon. That's only about five people. Maybe it could grow to ten. Certainly not a hundred. I don't think that it's possible to fall in love with someone just to have someone to sacrifice.




      1. Jon Snow.

      2. Jorah Mormount.

      3. Grey Worm.

      4. Missandei.

      5. Daario Naharis.


      I'm not sure that Tyrion Lannister or Varys count at the moment, although they might get there. I guess that Daenerys killing herself might work.



      If we expand out, Jon Snow loves more people and might be able to hatch a dragon. Presumably his wolf counts, his three cousins, and people like Sam. If Tyrion is secretly Aerys' bastard, then he might be able to make sacrifices. Possibly Jaime, Bronn, and a couple others.



      So assuming the dragons are old enough to reproduce, it's not clear that they actually could do so without sacrificing someone. Perhaps if they had a dragon egg, they could have hatched it from Viserion's death. But hundreds of dragons seems unlikely, given the cost.



      Why didn't previous rulers hatch hundreds of dragons? It's an expensive act. We don't know what it might cost to produce eggs. But we do have some measure of the cost of hatching them. And it's not the kind of price that someone can pay lightly. Perhaps Stannis was willing to sacrifice his daughter for power. But it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that Daenerys and Jon would do.






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        Dragons can change their gender and as such don't have a true gender. Apparently certain Dragons are known to have been thought of as male or female though it is not known as to whether they kept the same gender for the whole of their lives.




        Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame.
        A Feast for Crows: Chapter 35, Samwell IV




        For dragons to breed it appears a "female" lays eggs and then a "male" has to come along and fertilise them.



        Now onto the question as to why they don't breed now as it appears they should be able to. Note that Dany's dragons are still very young only a few years old. It is possible that they just haven't developed the organs needed to breed yet.





        The whole process around dragon breeding appears to be shrouded in a bit of a mystery but we could also speculate that dragons don't like to inbreed but I doubt that is the case.





        Most of my information is from memory or this wiki link.






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          @AnalysisStudent0414 I know but I doubted that part anyway. I only really put it in for completeness. Either way they could believe they are blood as they have the same mother even if they aren't physically.

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          As far as I'm aware, for external fertilisation, the egg laid by the female needs to be a "jelly" egg (cfr fish eggs), not a "shell" egg (cfr birds). That clashes with the almost stonelike dragon eggs, unless the egg hardens after fertilisation (it would then be weird for it to harden in a perfect egg-like shape). Is external fertilisation explicitly mentioned in the books?

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        Dragons can change their gender and as such don't have a true gender. Apparently certain Dragons are known to have been thought of as male or female though it is not known as to whether they kept the same gender for the whole of their lives.




        Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame.
        A Feast for Crows: Chapter 35, Samwell IV




        For dragons to breed it appears a "female" lays eggs and then a "male" has to come along and fertilise them.



        Now onto the question as to why they don't breed now as it appears they should be able to. Note that Dany's dragons are still very young only a few years old. It is possible that they just haven't developed the organs needed to breed yet.





        The whole process around dragon breeding appears to be shrouded in a bit of a mystery but we could also speculate that dragons don't like to inbreed but I doubt that is the case.





        Most of my information is from memory or this wiki link.






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          @AnalysisStudent0414 I know but I doubted that part anyway. I only really put it in for completeness. Either way they could believe they are blood as they have the same mother even if they aren't physically.

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          As far as I'm aware, for external fertilisation, the egg laid by the female needs to be a "jelly" egg (cfr fish eggs), not a "shell" egg (cfr birds). That clashes with the almost stonelike dragon eggs, unless the egg hardens after fertilisation (it would then be weird for it to harden in a perfect egg-like shape). Is external fertilisation explicitly mentioned in the books?

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        Dragons can change their gender and as such don't have a true gender. Apparently certain Dragons are known to have been thought of as male or female though it is not known as to whether they kept the same gender for the whole of their lives.




        Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame.
        A Feast for Crows: Chapter 35, Samwell IV




        For dragons to breed it appears a "female" lays eggs and then a "male" has to come along and fertilise them.



        Now onto the question as to why they don't breed now as it appears they should be able to. Note that Dany's dragons are still very young only a few years old. It is possible that they just haven't developed the organs needed to breed yet.





        The whole process around dragon breeding appears to be shrouded in a bit of a mystery but we could also speculate that dragons don't like to inbreed but I doubt that is the case.





        Most of my information is from memory or this wiki link.






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        Dragons can change their gender and as such don't have a true gender. Apparently certain Dragons are known to have been thought of as male or female though it is not known as to whether they kept the same gender for the whole of their lives.




        Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame.
        A Feast for Crows: Chapter 35, Samwell IV




        For dragons to breed it appears a "female" lays eggs and then a "male" has to come along and fertilise them.



        Now onto the question as to why they don't breed now as it appears they should be able to. Note that Dany's dragons are still very young only a few years old. It is possible that they just haven't developed the organs needed to breed yet.





        The whole process around dragon breeding appears to be shrouded in a bit of a mystery but we could also speculate that dragons don't like to inbreed but I doubt that is the case.





        Most of my information is from memory or this wiki link.







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          There is nothing that tells us that Dany's dragons are blood brothers though

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          @AnalysisStudent0414 I know but I doubted that part anyway. I only really put it in for completeness. Either way they could believe they are blood as they have the same mother even if they aren't physically.

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          As far as I'm aware, for external fertilisation, the egg laid by the female needs to be a "jelly" egg (cfr fish eggs), not a "shell" egg (cfr birds). That clashes with the almost stonelike dragon eggs, unless the egg hardens after fertilisation (it would then be weird for it to harden in a perfect egg-like shape). Is external fertilisation explicitly mentioned in the books?

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          @AnalysisStudent0414 I know but I doubted that part anyway. I only really put it in for completeness. Either way they could believe they are blood as they have the same mother even if they aren't physically.

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          Aug 25 '17 at 10:07






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          As far as I'm aware, for external fertilisation, the egg laid by the female needs to be a "jelly" egg (cfr fish eggs), not a "shell" egg (cfr birds). That clashes with the almost stonelike dragon eggs, unless the egg hardens after fertilisation (it would then be weird for it to harden in a perfect egg-like shape). Is external fertilisation explicitly mentioned in the books?

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        @AnalysisStudent0414 I know but I doubted that part anyway. I only really put it in for completeness. Either way they could believe they are blood as they have the same mother even if they aren't physically.

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        @AnalysisStudent0414 I know but I doubted that part anyway. I only really put it in for completeness. Either way they could believe they are blood as they have the same mother even if they aren't physically.

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        As far as I'm aware, for external fertilisation, the egg laid by the female needs to be a "jelly" egg (cfr fish eggs), not a "shell" egg (cfr birds). That clashes with the almost stonelike dragon eggs, unless the egg hardens after fertilisation (it would then be weird for it to harden in a perfect egg-like shape). Is external fertilisation explicitly mentioned in the books?

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        As far as I'm aware, for external fertilisation, the egg laid by the female needs to be a "jelly" egg (cfr fish eggs), not a "shell" egg (cfr birds). That clashes with the almost stonelike dragon eggs, unless the egg hardens after fertilisation (it would then be weird for it to harden in a perfect egg-like shape). Is external fertilisation explicitly mentioned in the books?

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        Still, dragons can live way older than humans, and may lay several clutches during its lifetime, but not that frequently (otherwise, the dragons would not be extinct). Dany's dragons are young, give them time.






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          Still, dragons can live way older than humans, and may lay several clutches during its lifetime, but not that frequently (otherwise, the dragons would not be extinct). Dany's dragons are young, give them time.






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            Still, dragons can live way older than humans, and may lay several clutches during its lifetime, but not that frequently (otherwise, the dragons would not be extinct). Dany's dragons are young, give them time.






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            We don't know a lot about dragon's reproduction



            Still, dragons can live way older than humans, and may lay several clutches during its lifetime, but not that frequently (otherwise, the dragons would not be extinct). Dany's dragons are young, give them time.







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                Breeding more dragons



                Technically they should be able to breed eventually.



                A common misconception is that Daenerys' dragons are all males. That is not true.



                Dragons do not have a fixed gender1. They can change from male to female, and vice versa, at will.




                What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in
                from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw
                the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as
                flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is
                the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.
                AFFC - Samwell IV




                But we do not yet know when Dragons become capable of laying eggs and reproducing.



                Daenerys' dragons are a couple of years old, so they could be considered children among a species which lives for centuries.



                Presumably, they should be able to start reproducing at least after 10-20 years. Syrax was born in reign of King Jaehaerys I (Implied as Rhaenyra who was born in 97 AC during reign of the Old King and named the young dragon, which implies it was a hatchling and had no previous rider or name). It grew up during reign of King Viserys I and known to have laid eggs during that period. Viserys reigned from 103 AC to 129 AC for 26 years. If we assume that Syrax was born in 97 AC2 (As it existed back in the day of Jaehaerys I), Syrax must have been at least 10-20 years old when it first laid eggs in reign of King Viserys. It can't be emphasized enough that this is merely my speculation, Syrax could have been younger (could be more like <10 but that seems wrong given that dragons must have some stage in their early life when they are incapable of reproducing like all animals).



                The secrets of Dragonkind were lost when King Baelor ordered Septon Barth's Unnatural History to be burnt through out the Kingdom. So as of now, their nature is a mystery.



                So in conclusion, while Dragons are not barred from breeding on account of their gender, they are apparently not breeding because they are still very young and can't actually breed just as yet. This is however an opinion, the real answer would be "We do not know" as of now.





                1. There are those who dispute it but Barth was the leading expert in Dragonlore in Westeros and he actually had a first hand chance to observe dragons during reign of Jaehaerys I. Maester Aemon is also a great scholar and if he agrees with Barth instead, So do I. Munkun only saw the extinction of Dragons and the only Dragons he ever observed were sickly and dying. Thomax on the other hand, we do not know when did he live so we can't speculate on accuracy of his views.



                2. 97 AC because that's when Rhaenyra was born, during the reign of Jaehaerys I. It was a custom of Targaryens to lay dragon eggs in cribs of new born Targaryens, and it would hatch and grow with the child.






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                  Breeding more dragons



                  Technically they should be able to breed eventually.



                  A common misconception is that Daenerys' dragons are all males. That is not true.



                  Dragons do not have a fixed gender1. They can change from male to female, and vice versa, at will.




                  What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in
                  from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw
                  the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as
                  flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is
                  the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.
                  AFFC - Samwell IV




                  But we do not yet know when Dragons become capable of laying eggs and reproducing.



                  Daenerys' dragons are a couple of years old, so they could be considered children among a species which lives for centuries.



                  Presumably, they should be able to start reproducing at least after 10-20 years. Syrax was born in reign of King Jaehaerys I (Implied as Rhaenyra who was born in 97 AC during reign of the Old King and named the young dragon, which implies it was a hatchling and had no previous rider or name). It grew up during reign of King Viserys I and known to have laid eggs during that period. Viserys reigned from 103 AC to 129 AC for 26 years. If we assume that Syrax was born in 97 AC2 (As it existed back in the day of Jaehaerys I), Syrax must have been at least 10-20 years old when it first laid eggs in reign of King Viserys. It can't be emphasized enough that this is merely my speculation, Syrax could have been younger (could be more like <10 but that seems wrong given that dragons must have some stage in their early life when they are incapable of reproducing like all animals).



                  The secrets of Dragonkind were lost when King Baelor ordered Septon Barth's Unnatural History to be burnt through out the Kingdom. So as of now, their nature is a mystery.



                  So in conclusion, while Dragons are not barred from breeding on account of their gender, they are apparently not breeding because they are still very young and can't actually breed just as yet. This is however an opinion, the real answer would be "We do not know" as of now.





                  1. There are those who dispute it but Barth was the leading expert in Dragonlore in Westeros and he actually had a first hand chance to observe dragons during reign of Jaehaerys I. Maester Aemon is also a great scholar and if he agrees with Barth instead, So do I. Munkun only saw the extinction of Dragons and the only Dragons he ever observed were sickly and dying. Thomax on the other hand, we do not know when did he live so we can't speculate on accuracy of his views.



                  2. 97 AC because that's when Rhaenyra was born, during the reign of Jaehaerys I. It was a custom of Targaryens to lay dragon eggs in cribs of new born Targaryens, and it would hatch and grow with the child.






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                    Breeding more dragons



                    Technically they should be able to breed eventually.



                    A common misconception is that Daenerys' dragons are all males. That is not true.



                    Dragons do not have a fixed gender1. They can change from male to female, and vice versa, at will.




                    What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in
                    from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw
                    the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as
                    flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is
                    the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.
                    AFFC - Samwell IV




                    But we do not yet know when Dragons become capable of laying eggs and reproducing.



                    Daenerys' dragons are a couple of years old, so they could be considered children among a species which lives for centuries.



                    Presumably, they should be able to start reproducing at least after 10-20 years. Syrax was born in reign of King Jaehaerys I (Implied as Rhaenyra who was born in 97 AC during reign of the Old King and named the young dragon, which implies it was a hatchling and had no previous rider or name). It grew up during reign of King Viserys I and known to have laid eggs during that period. Viserys reigned from 103 AC to 129 AC for 26 years. If we assume that Syrax was born in 97 AC2 (As it existed back in the day of Jaehaerys I), Syrax must have been at least 10-20 years old when it first laid eggs in reign of King Viserys. It can't be emphasized enough that this is merely my speculation, Syrax could have been younger (could be more like <10 but that seems wrong given that dragons must have some stage in their early life when they are incapable of reproducing like all animals).



                    The secrets of Dragonkind were lost when King Baelor ordered Septon Barth's Unnatural History to be burnt through out the Kingdom. So as of now, their nature is a mystery.



                    So in conclusion, while Dragons are not barred from breeding on account of their gender, they are apparently not breeding because they are still very young and can't actually breed just as yet. This is however an opinion, the real answer would be "We do not know" as of now.





                    1. There are those who dispute it but Barth was the leading expert in Dragonlore in Westeros and he actually had a first hand chance to observe dragons during reign of Jaehaerys I. Maester Aemon is also a great scholar and if he agrees with Barth instead, So do I. Munkun only saw the extinction of Dragons and the only Dragons he ever observed were sickly and dying. Thomax on the other hand, we do not know when did he live so we can't speculate on accuracy of his views.



                    2. 97 AC because that's when Rhaenyra was born, during the reign of Jaehaerys I. It was a custom of Targaryens to lay dragon eggs in cribs of new born Targaryens, and it would hatch and grow with the child.






                    share|improve this answer















                    Breeding more dragons



                    Technically they should be able to breed eventually.



                    A common misconception is that Daenerys' dragons are all males. That is not true.



                    Dragons do not have a fixed gender1. They can change from male to female, and vice versa, at will.




                    What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in
                    from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw
                    the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as
                    flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is
                    the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.
                    AFFC - Samwell IV




                    But we do not yet know when Dragons become capable of laying eggs and reproducing.



                    Daenerys' dragons are a couple of years old, so they could be considered children among a species which lives for centuries.



                    Presumably, they should be able to start reproducing at least after 10-20 years. Syrax was born in reign of King Jaehaerys I (Implied as Rhaenyra who was born in 97 AC during reign of the Old King and named the young dragon, which implies it was a hatchling and had no previous rider or name). It grew up during reign of King Viserys I and known to have laid eggs during that period. Viserys reigned from 103 AC to 129 AC for 26 years. If we assume that Syrax was born in 97 AC2 (As it existed back in the day of Jaehaerys I), Syrax must have been at least 10-20 years old when it first laid eggs in reign of King Viserys. It can't be emphasized enough that this is merely my speculation, Syrax could have been younger (could be more like <10 but that seems wrong given that dragons must have some stage in their early life when they are incapable of reproducing like all animals).



                    The secrets of Dragonkind were lost when King Baelor ordered Septon Barth's Unnatural History to be burnt through out the Kingdom. So as of now, their nature is a mystery.



                    So in conclusion, while Dragons are not barred from breeding on account of their gender, they are apparently not breeding because they are still very young and can't actually breed just as yet. This is however an opinion, the real answer would be "We do not know" as of now.





                    1. There are those who dispute it but Barth was the leading expert in Dragonlore in Westeros and he actually had a first hand chance to observe dragons during reign of Jaehaerys I. Maester Aemon is also a great scholar and if he agrees with Barth instead, So do I. Munkun only saw the extinction of Dragons and the only Dragons he ever observed were sickly and dying. Thomax on the other hand, we do not know when did he live so we can't speculate on accuracy of his views.



                    2. 97 AC because that's when Rhaenyra was born, during the reign of Jaehaerys I. It was a custom of Targaryens to lay dragon eggs in cribs of new born Targaryens, and it would hatch and grow with the child.







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                        In the short term, we can't say for sure. In fact, it's possible one is pregnant now, how would we know?



                        Regarding long term breeding, 3 individuals is probably below the minimum viable population for Dragons. Below that level, you eventually get inbreeding, which seems to be what happened to the dragons in Westeros.



                        https://www.britannica.com/science/minimum-viable-population






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                        • Actually I think what happened to them was they were chained up like Rhaegal and Viserion. Thus causing them to wither down. I'm not sure that inbreeding works the same way for people and creatures from valyria.

                          – Trevor Wood
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                        • @TrevorWood is correct, it's mentioned directly at least in the show that keeping them as pets was what made they get small and weak

                          – GordonBennett
                          14 hours ago
















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                        In the short term, we can't say for sure. In fact, it's possible one is pregnant now, how would we know?



                        Regarding long term breeding, 3 individuals is probably below the minimum viable population for Dragons. Below that level, you eventually get inbreeding, which seems to be what happened to the dragons in Westeros.



                        https://www.britannica.com/science/minimum-viable-population






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                        • Actually I think what happened to them was they were chained up like Rhaegal and Viserion. Thus causing them to wither down. I'm not sure that inbreeding works the same way for people and creatures from valyria.

                          – Trevor Wood
                          Aug 29 '17 at 0:20











                        • @TrevorWood is correct, it's mentioned directly at least in the show that keeping them as pets was what made they get small and weak

                          – GordonBennett
                          14 hours ago














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                        In the short term, we can't say for sure. In fact, it's possible one is pregnant now, how would we know?



                        Regarding long term breeding, 3 individuals is probably below the minimum viable population for Dragons. Below that level, you eventually get inbreeding, which seems to be what happened to the dragons in Westeros.



                        https://www.britannica.com/science/minimum-viable-population






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                        In the short term, we can't say for sure. In fact, it's possible one is pregnant now, how would we know?



                        Regarding long term breeding, 3 individuals is probably below the minimum viable population for Dragons. Below that level, you eventually get inbreeding, which seems to be what happened to the dragons in Westeros.



                        https://www.britannica.com/science/minimum-viable-population







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                        • Actually I think what happened to them was they were chained up like Rhaegal and Viserion. Thus causing them to wither down. I'm not sure that inbreeding works the same way for people and creatures from valyria.

                          – Trevor Wood
                          Aug 29 '17 at 0:20











                        • @TrevorWood is correct, it's mentioned directly at least in the show that keeping them as pets was what made they get small and weak

                          – GordonBennett
                          14 hours ago



















                        • Actually I think what happened to them was they were chained up like Rhaegal and Viserion. Thus causing them to wither down. I'm not sure that inbreeding works the same way for people and creatures from valyria.

                          – Trevor Wood
                          Aug 29 '17 at 0:20











                        • @TrevorWood is correct, it's mentioned directly at least in the show that keeping them as pets was what made they get small and weak

                          – GordonBennett
                          14 hours ago

















                        Actually I think what happened to them was they were chained up like Rhaegal and Viserion. Thus causing them to wither down. I'm not sure that inbreeding works the same way for people and creatures from valyria.

                        – Trevor Wood
                        Aug 29 '17 at 0:20





                        Actually I think what happened to them was they were chained up like Rhaegal and Viserion. Thus causing them to wither down. I'm not sure that inbreeding works the same way for people and creatures from valyria.

                        – Trevor Wood
                        Aug 29 '17 at 0:20













                        @TrevorWood is correct, it's mentioned directly at least in the show that keeping them as pets was what made they get small and weak

                        – GordonBennett
                        14 hours ago





                        @TrevorWood is correct, it's mentioned directly at least in the show that keeping them as pets was what made they get small and weak

                        – GordonBennett
                        14 hours ago











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                        Is there some kind of reason that Daenerys is not breeding more dragons and taming them?




                        How would she get the eggs to hatch? Remember that last time it required the sacrifices of both a king and a witch to hatch the eggs. Perhaps that was because the eggs were older. But even with fresh eggs, hatching requires fire and sacrifice.



                        It is possible that the sacrifice must be a loved one of the person making the sacrifice. Certainly Drogo and Rhaego met that criterion. And the witch was someone that Daenerys had saved from death. Daenerys had trusted her and been betrayed. She may have counted enough for those purposes.



                        If Daenerys is the only one who could make the sacrifice, she would have to deliberately sacrifice someone she loves to hatch a dragon. That's only about five people. Maybe it could grow to ten. Certainly not a hundred. I don't think that it's possible to fall in love with someone just to have someone to sacrifice.




                        1. Jon Snow.

                        2. Jorah Mormount.

                        3. Grey Worm.

                        4. Missandei.

                        5. Daario Naharis.


                        I'm not sure that Tyrion Lannister or Varys count at the moment, although they might get there. I guess that Daenerys killing herself might work.



                        If we expand out, Jon Snow loves more people and might be able to hatch a dragon. Presumably his wolf counts, his three cousins, and people like Sam. If Tyrion is secretly Aerys' bastard, then he might be able to make sacrifices. Possibly Jaime, Bronn, and a couple others.



                        So assuming the dragons are old enough to reproduce, it's not clear that they actually could do so without sacrificing someone. Perhaps if they had a dragon egg, they could have hatched it from Viserion's death. But hundreds of dragons seems unlikely, given the cost.



                        Why didn't previous rulers hatch hundreds of dragons? It's an expensive act. We don't know what it might cost to produce eggs. But we do have some measure of the cost of hatching them. And it's not the kind of price that someone can pay lightly. Perhaps Stannis was willing to sacrifice his daughter for power. But it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that Daenerys and Jon would do.






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                          Is there some kind of reason that Daenerys is not breeding more dragons and taming them?




                          How would she get the eggs to hatch? Remember that last time it required the sacrifices of both a king and a witch to hatch the eggs. Perhaps that was because the eggs were older. But even with fresh eggs, hatching requires fire and sacrifice.



                          It is possible that the sacrifice must be a loved one of the person making the sacrifice. Certainly Drogo and Rhaego met that criterion. And the witch was someone that Daenerys had saved from death. Daenerys had trusted her and been betrayed. She may have counted enough for those purposes.



                          If Daenerys is the only one who could make the sacrifice, she would have to deliberately sacrifice someone she loves to hatch a dragon. That's only about five people. Maybe it could grow to ten. Certainly not a hundred. I don't think that it's possible to fall in love with someone just to have someone to sacrifice.




                          1. Jon Snow.

                          2. Jorah Mormount.

                          3. Grey Worm.

                          4. Missandei.

                          5. Daario Naharis.


                          I'm not sure that Tyrion Lannister or Varys count at the moment, although they might get there. I guess that Daenerys killing herself might work.



                          If we expand out, Jon Snow loves more people and might be able to hatch a dragon. Presumably his wolf counts, his three cousins, and people like Sam. If Tyrion is secretly Aerys' bastard, then he might be able to make sacrifices. Possibly Jaime, Bronn, and a couple others.



                          So assuming the dragons are old enough to reproduce, it's not clear that they actually could do so without sacrificing someone. Perhaps if they had a dragon egg, they could have hatched it from Viserion's death. But hundreds of dragons seems unlikely, given the cost.



                          Why didn't previous rulers hatch hundreds of dragons? It's an expensive act. We don't know what it might cost to produce eggs. But we do have some measure of the cost of hatching them. And it's not the kind of price that someone can pay lightly. Perhaps Stannis was willing to sacrifice his daughter for power. But it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that Daenerys and Jon would do.






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                            Is there some kind of reason that Daenerys is not breeding more dragons and taming them?




                            How would she get the eggs to hatch? Remember that last time it required the sacrifices of both a king and a witch to hatch the eggs. Perhaps that was because the eggs were older. But even with fresh eggs, hatching requires fire and sacrifice.



                            It is possible that the sacrifice must be a loved one of the person making the sacrifice. Certainly Drogo and Rhaego met that criterion. And the witch was someone that Daenerys had saved from death. Daenerys had trusted her and been betrayed. She may have counted enough for those purposes.



                            If Daenerys is the only one who could make the sacrifice, she would have to deliberately sacrifice someone she loves to hatch a dragon. That's only about five people. Maybe it could grow to ten. Certainly not a hundred. I don't think that it's possible to fall in love with someone just to have someone to sacrifice.




                            1. Jon Snow.

                            2. Jorah Mormount.

                            3. Grey Worm.

                            4. Missandei.

                            5. Daario Naharis.


                            I'm not sure that Tyrion Lannister or Varys count at the moment, although they might get there. I guess that Daenerys killing herself might work.



                            If we expand out, Jon Snow loves more people and might be able to hatch a dragon. Presumably his wolf counts, his three cousins, and people like Sam. If Tyrion is secretly Aerys' bastard, then he might be able to make sacrifices. Possibly Jaime, Bronn, and a couple others.



                            So assuming the dragons are old enough to reproduce, it's not clear that they actually could do so without sacrificing someone. Perhaps if they had a dragon egg, they could have hatched it from Viserion's death. But hundreds of dragons seems unlikely, given the cost.



                            Why didn't previous rulers hatch hundreds of dragons? It's an expensive act. We don't know what it might cost to produce eggs. But we do have some measure of the cost of hatching them. And it's not the kind of price that someone can pay lightly. Perhaps Stannis was willing to sacrifice his daughter for power. But it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that Daenerys and Jon would do.






                            share|improve this answer














                            Is there some kind of reason that Daenerys is not breeding more dragons and taming them?




                            How would she get the eggs to hatch? Remember that last time it required the sacrifices of both a king and a witch to hatch the eggs. Perhaps that was because the eggs were older. But even with fresh eggs, hatching requires fire and sacrifice.



                            It is possible that the sacrifice must be a loved one of the person making the sacrifice. Certainly Drogo and Rhaego met that criterion. And the witch was someone that Daenerys had saved from death. Daenerys had trusted her and been betrayed. She may have counted enough for those purposes.



                            If Daenerys is the only one who could make the sacrifice, she would have to deliberately sacrifice someone she loves to hatch a dragon. That's only about five people. Maybe it could grow to ten. Certainly not a hundred. I don't think that it's possible to fall in love with someone just to have someone to sacrifice.




                            1. Jon Snow.

                            2. Jorah Mormount.

                            3. Grey Worm.

                            4. Missandei.

                            5. Daario Naharis.


                            I'm not sure that Tyrion Lannister or Varys count at the moment, although they might get there. I guess that Daenerys killing herself might work.



                            If we expand out, Jon Snow loves more people and might be able to hatch a dragon. Presumably his wolf counts, his three cousins, and people like Sam. If Tyrion is secretly Aerys' bastard, then he might be able to make sacrifices. Possibly Jaime, Bronn, and a couple others.



                            So assuming the dragons are old enough to reproduce, it's not clear that they actually could do so without sacrificing someone. Perhaps if they had a dragon egg, they could have hatched it from Viserion's death. But hundreds of dragons seems unlikely, given the cost.



                            Why didn't previous rulers hatch hundreds of dragons? It's an expensive act. We don't know what it might cost to produce eggs. But we do have some measure of the cost of hatching them. And it's not the kind of price that someone can pay lightly. Perhaps Stannis was willing to sacrifice his daughter for power. But it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that Daenerys and Jon would do.







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