What does the “remote control” for a QF-4 look like?












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As I understand it a QF-4 is a Phantom which is converted to a remotely controlled plane for use in weapons testing.



(Apparently in non-destructive runs, a pilot is still on board for safety, convenience etc, but in actual "really shoot down the QF-4" runs, it is flown as a remotely controlled plane.)



I'd be amazed to see what the remote operator station for a QF-4 looks like.




  • Is it just a ... RC unit?


  • Is it just an ordinary PC, perhaps? Fly by mouse/keyboard?


  • I'm wondering is there a video feed from the pilot viewpoint included with the telemetry?


  • Is it perhaps flown from another chase plane?


  • Is it "control control" (the remote operator uses something to actually move the control surfaces, i.e. exactly as actually when flying a plane) or is it "concept control" (you just tell it, go to this point, this altitude etc and the software does that).


  • Can you land it using the remote system?


  • Do the operators of these get a chance to make any training flights, or is it just too expensive? The only time you get to take off, get shot at, and perhaps land is during actual runs as a target?



Again, I'd love to see a photo of what the control system/bay/iPhone app whatever looks like!




  • Footnote. I believe the QF-4 is retired? Question applies to a QF-4 replacement!






military unmanned-aerial-vehicle f-4 remote-pilot







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    I hope the USAF has paid for the ad-free version of the iPhone app!
    $endgroup$
    – David Richerby
    14 hours ago












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    LOl on that one DR !
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    14 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    The air force contracts with government contractors to do stuff like the QF-4. They are generally forced to chose the lowest bidder that meets the contract. If you were a government contractor who made the lowest bid, and had a bunch of programmers and engineers who grew up on PC's, what do you think you would use?
    $endgroup$
    – Sam
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$begingroup$


As I understand it a QF-4 is a Phantom which is converted to a remotely controlled plane for use in weapons testing.



(Apparently in non-destructive runs, a pilot is still on board for safety, convenience etc, but in actual "really shoot down the QF-4" runs, it is flown as a remotely controlled plane.)



I'd be amazed to see what the remote operator station for a QF-4 looks like.




  • Is it just a ... RC unit?


  • Is it just an ordinary PC, perhaps? Fly by mouse/keyboard?


  • I'm wondering is there a video feed from the pilot viewpoint included with the telemetry?


  • Is it perhaps flown from another chase plane?


  • Is it "control control" (the remote operator uses something to actually move the control surfaces, i.e. exactly as actually when flying a plane) or is it "concept control" (you just tell it, go to this point, this altitude etc and the software does that).


  • Can you land it using the remote system?


  • Do the operators of these get a chance to make any training flights, or is it just too expensive? The only time you get to take off, get shot at, and perhaps land is during actual runs as a target?



Again, I'd love to see a photo of what the control system/bay/iPhone app whatever looks like!




  • Footnote. I believe the QF-4 is retired? Question applies to a QF-4 replacement!






military unmanned-aerial-vehicle f-4 remote-pilot







share|improve this question











$endgroup$








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I hope the USAF has paid for the ad-free version of the iPhone app!
    $endgroup$
    – David Richerby
    14 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    LOl on that one DR !
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    14 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    The air force contracts with government contractors to do stuff like the QF-4. They are generally forced to chose the lowest bidder that meets the contract. If you were a government contractor who made the lowest bid, and had a bunch of programmers and engineers who grew up on PC's, what do you think you would use?
    $endgroup$
    – Sam
    3 hours ago














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$begingroup$


As I understand it a QF-4 is a Phantom which is converted to a remotely controlled plane for use in weapons testing.



(Apparently in non-destructive runs, a pilot is still on board for safety, convenience etc, but in actual "really shoot down the QF-4" runs, it is flown as a remotely controlled plane.)



I'd be amazed to see what the remote operator station for a QF-4 looks like.




  • Is it just a ... RC unit?


  • Is it just an ordinary PC, perhaps? Fly by mouse/keyboard?


  • I'm wondering is there a video feed from the pilot viewpoint included with the telemetry?


  • Is it perhaps flown from another chase plane?


  • Is it "control control" (the remote operator uses something to actually move the control surfaces, i.e. exactly as actually when flying a plane) or is it "concept control" (you just tell it, go to this point, this altitude etc and the software does that).


  • Can you land it using the remote system?


  • Do the operators of these get a chance to make any training flights, or is it just too expensive? The only time you get to take off, get shot at, and perhaps land is during actual runs as a target?



Again, I'd love to see a photo of what the control system/bay/iPhone app whatever looks like!




  • Footnote. I believe the QF-4 is retired? Question applies to a QF-4 replacement!






military unmanned-aerial-vehicle f-4 remote-pilot







share|improve this question











$endgroup$




As I understand it a QF-4 is a Phantom which is converted to a remotely controlled plane for use in weapons testing.



(Apparently in non-destructive runs, a pilot is still on board for safety, convenience etc, but in actual "really shoot down the QF-4" runs, it is flown as a remotely controlled plane.)



I'd be amazed to see what the remote operator station for a QF-4 looks like.




  • Is it just a ... RC unit?


  • Is it just an ordinary PC, perhaps? Fly by mouse/keyboard?


  • I'm wondering is there a video feed from the pilot viewpoint included with the telemetry?


  • Is it perhaps flown from another chase plane?


  • Is it "control control" (the remote operator uses something to actually move the control surfaces, i.e. exactly as actually when flying a plane) or is it "concept control" (you just tell it, go to this point, this altitude etc and the software does that).


  • Can you land it using the remote system?


  • Do the operators of these get a chance to make any training flights, or is it just too expensive? The only time you get to take off, get shot at, and perhaps land is during actual runs as a target?



Again, I'd love to see a photo of what the control system/bay/iPhone app whatever looks like!




  • Footnote. I believe the QF-4 is retired? Question applies to a QF-4 replacement!






military unmanned-aerial-vehicle f-4 remote-pilot




military unmanned-aerial-vehicle f-4 remote-pilot






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    $begingroup$
    I hope the USAF has paid for the ad-free version of the iPhone app!
    $endgroup$
    – David Richerby
    14 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    LOl on that one DR !
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    14 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    The air force contracts with government contractors to do stuff like the QF-4. They are generally forced to chose the lowest bidder that meets the contract. If you were a government contractor who made the lowest bid, and had a bunch of programmers and engineers who grew up on PC's, what do you think you would use?
    $endgroup$
    – Sam
    3 hours ago














  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I hope the USAF has paid for the ad-free version of the iPhone app!
    $endgroup$
    – David Richerby
    14 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    LOl on that one DR !
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    14 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    The air force contracts with government contractors to do stuff like the QF-4. They are generally forced to chose the lowest bidder that meets the contract. If you were a government contractor who made the lowest bid, and had a bunch of programmers and engineers who grew up on PC's, what do you think you would use?
    $endgroup$
    – Sam
    3 hours ago








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$begingroup$
I hope the USAF has paid for the ad-free version of the iPhone app!
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
14 hours ago






$begingroup$
I hope the USAF has paid for the ad-free version of the iPhone app!
$endgroup$
– David Richerby
14 hours ago














$begingroup$
LOl on that one DR !
$endgroup$
– Fattie
14 hours ago






$begingroup$
LOl on that one DR !
$endgroup$
– Fattie
14 hours ago














$begingroup$
The air force contracts with government contractors to do stuff like the QF-4. They are generally forced to chose the lowest bidder that meets the contract. If you were a government contractor who made the lowest bid, and had a bunch of programmers and engineers who grew up on PC's, what do you think you would use?
$endgroup$
– Sam
3 hours ago




$begingroup$
The air force contracts with government contractors to do stuff like the QF-4. They are generally forced to chose the lowest bidder that meets the contract. If you were a government contractor who made the lowest bid, and had a bunch of programmers and engineers who grew up on PC's, what do you think you would use?
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Here's a photo:



QF-4 remote operation. U.S. Air Force photo/Sara Vidoni (from Wikimedia Commons)

Retired Lt. Col. Thomas Mudge, a ground controller for the 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron, remotely pilots a QF-4 during a Combat Archer mission May 12, 2015 at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla.



QF-4s were retired in 2016. They are now flying the QF-16.






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    $begingroup$
    Whoa !! Say, the image on the left under the man's arm: is that a camera (looking downwards at a bay/beach it looks like) or is that just mapping, I can't tell ... thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    16 hours ago






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    @Fattie Most likely it is just satellite imagery. I doubt they have a high-altitude chase plane/drone to follow around and beam real-time images (which would be affected by things like clouds or smog).
    $endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    14 hours ago










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    @RonBeyer - indeed, what I was wondering (my "point 3") - do these aircraft have a camera, which, feeds to the operator on the ground. Perhaps answered Gerry knows - it looks like "no" in this example anyway?
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    14 hours ago






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    @Fattie The QF-4 can fly manned or unmanned. Usually the remote pilot only controls it for landing/take-off and then hands control over to an automated system. The automated system, when flown unmanned, can also blow up the aircraft if it becomes uncontrollable (explosives are loaded for this purpose). There is a chase plane when the QF-4 is transiting to the mission area and back for safety reasons.
    $endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    14 hours ago






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    I don't believe it counts toward "ace" when the plane shot down is yours.
    $endgroup$
    – Harper
    9 hours ago












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Here's a photo:



QF-4 remote operation. U.S. Air Force photo/Sara Vidoni (from Wikimedia Commons)

Retired Lt. Col. Thomas Mudge, a ground controller for the 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron, remotely pilots a QF-4 during a Combat Archer mission May 12, 2015 at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla.



QF-4s were retired in 2016. They are now flying the QF-16.






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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Whoa !! Say, the image on the left under the man's arm: is that a camera (looking downwards at a bay/beach it looks like) or is that just mapping, I can't tell ... thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    16 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Fattie Most likely it is just satellite imagery. I doubt they have a high-altitude chase plane/drone to follow around and beam real-time images (which would be affected by things like clouds or smog).
    $endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    14 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @RonBeyer - indeed, what I was wondering (my "point 3") - do these aircraft have a camera, which, feeds to the operator on the ground. Perhaps answered Gerry knows - it looks like "no" in this example anyway?
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    14 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Fattie The QF-4 can fly manned or unmanned. Usually the remote pilot only controls it for landing/take-off and then hands control over to an automated system. The automated system, when flown unmanned, can also blow up the aircraft if it becomes uncontrollable (explosives are loaded for this purpose). There is a chase plane when the QF-4 is transiting to the mission area and back for safety reasons.
    $endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    14 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I don't believe it counts toward "ace" when the plane shot down is yours.
    $endgroup$
    – Harper
    9 hours ago
















19












$begingroup$

Here's a photo:



QF-4 remote operation. U.S. Air Force photo/Sara Vidoni (from Wikimedia Commons)

Retired Lt. Col. Thomas Mudge, a ground controller for the 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron, remotely pilots a QF-4 during a Combat Archer mission May 12, 2015 at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla.



QF-4s were retired in 2016. They are now flying the QF-16.






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$









  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Whoa !! Say, the image on the left under the man's arm: is that a camera (looking downwards at a bay/beach it looks like) or is that just mapping, I can't tell ... thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    16 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Fattie Most likely it is just satellite imagery. I doubt they have a high-altitude chase plane/drone to follow around and beam real-time images (which would be affected by things like clouds or smog).
    $endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    14 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @RonBeyer - indeed, what I was wondering (my "point 3") - do these aircraft have a camera, which, feeds to the operator on the ground. Perhaps answered Gerry knows - it looks like "no" in this example anyway?
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    14 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Fattie The QF-4 can fly manned or unmanned. Usually the remote pilot only controls it for landing/take-off and then hands control over to an automated system. The automated system, when flown unmanned, can also blow up the aircraft if it becomes uncontrollable (explosives are loaded for this purpose). There is a chase plane when the QF-4 is transiting to the mission area and back for safety reasons.
    $endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    14 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I don't believe it counts toward "ace" when the plane shot down is yours.
    $endgroup$
    – Harper
    9 hours ago














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$begingroup$

Here's a photo:



QF-4 remote operation. U.S. Air Force photo/Sara Vidoni (from Wikimedia Commons)

Retired Lt. Col. Thomas Mudge, a ground controller for the 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron, remotely pilots a QF-4 during a Combat Archer mission May 12, 2015 at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla.



QF-4s were retired in 2016. They are now flying the QF-16.






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$



Here's a photo:



QF-4 remote operation. U.S. Air Force photo/Sara Vidoni (from Wikimedia Commons)

Retired Lt. Col. Thomas Mudge, a ground controller for the 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron, remotely pilots a QF-4 during a Combat Archer mission May 12, 2015 at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla.



QF-4s were retired in 2016. They are now flying the QF-16.







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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Whoa !! Say, the image on the left under the man's arm: is that a camera (looking downwards at a bay/beach it looks like) or is that just mapping, I can't tell ... thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    16 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Fattie Most likely it is just satellite imagery. I doubt they have a high-altitude chase plane/drone to follow around and beam real-time images (which would be affected by things like clouds or smog).
    $endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    14 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @RonBeyer - indeed, what I was wondering (my "point 3") - do these aircraft have a camera, which, feeds to the operator on the ground. Perhaps answered Gerry knows - it looks like "no" in this example anyway?
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    14 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Fattie The QF-4 can fly manned or unmanned. Usually the remote pilot only controls it for landing/take-off and then hands control over to an automated system. The automated system, when flown unmanned, can also blow up the aircraft if it becomes uncontrollable (explosives are loaded for this purpose). There is a chase plane when the QF-4 is transiting to the mission area and back for safety reasons.
    $endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    14 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I don't believe it counts toward "ace" when the plane shot down is yours.
    $endgroup$
    – Harper
    9 hours ago














  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Whoa !! Say, the image on the left under the man's arm: is that a camera (looking downwards at a bay/beach it looks like) or is that just mapping, I can't tell ... thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    16 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Fattie Most likely it is just satellite imagery. I doubt they have a high-altitude chase plane/drone to follow around and beam real-time images (which would be affected by things like clouds or smog).
    $endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    14 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @RonBeyer - indeed, what I was wondering (my "point 3") - do these aircraft have a camera, which, feeds to the operator on the ground. Perhaps answered Gerry knows - it looks like "no" in this example anyway?
    $endgroup$
    – Fattie
    14 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @Fattie The QF-4 can fly manned or unmanned. Usually the remote pilot only controls it for landing/take-off and then hands control over to an automated system. The automated system, when flown unmanned, can also blow up the aircraft if it becomes uncontrollable (explosives are loaded for this purpose). There is a chase plane when the QF-4 is transiting to the mission area and back for safety reasons.
    $endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    14 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I don't believe it counts toward "ace" when the plane shot down is yours.
    $endgroup$
    – Harper
    9 hours ago








1




1




$begingroup$
Whoa !! Say, the image on the left under the man's arm: is that a camera (looking downwards at a bay/beach it looks like) or is that just mapping, I can't tell ... thanks!
$endgroup$
– Fattie
16 hours ago




$begingroup$
Whoa !! Say, the image on the left under the man's arm: is that a camera (looking downwards at a bay/beach it looks like) or is that just mapping, I can't tell ... thanks!
$endgroup$
– Fattie
16 hours ago




2




2




$begingroup$
@Fattie Most likely it is just satellite imagery. I doubt they have a high-altitude chase plane/drone to follow around and beam real-time images (which would be affected by things like clouds or smog).
$endgroup$
– Ron Beyer
14 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Fattie Most likely it is just satellite imagery. I doubt they have a high-altitude chase plane/drone to follow around and beam real-time images (which would be affected by things like clouds or smog).
$endgroup$
– Ron Beyer
14 hours ago












$begingroup$
@RonBeyer - indeed, what I was wondering (my "point 3") - do these aircraft have a camera, which, feeds to the operator on the ground. Perhaps answered Gerry knows - it looks like "no" in this example anyway?
$endgroup$
– Fattie
14 hours ago




$begingroup$
@RonBeyer - indeed, what I was wondering (my "point 3") - do these aircraft have a camera, which, feeds to the operator on the ground. Perhaps answered Gerry knows - it looks like "no" in this example anyway?
$endgroup$
– Fattie
14 hours ago




2




2




$begingroup$
@Fattie The QF-4 can fly manned or unmanned. Usually the remote pilot only controls it for landing/take-off and then hands control over to an automated system. The automated system, when flown unmanned, can also blow up the aircraft if it becomes uncontrollable (explosives are loaded for this purpose). There is a chase plane when the QF-4 is transiting to the mission area and back for safety reasons.
$endgroup$
– Ron Beyer
14 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Fattie The QF-4 can fly manned or unmanned. Usually the remote pilot only controls it for landing/take-off and then hands control over to an automated system. The automated system, when flown unmanned, can also blow up the aircraft if it becomes uncontrollable (explosives are loaded for this purpose). There is a chase plane when the QF-4 is transiting to the mission area and back for safety reasons.
$endgroup$
– Ron Beyer
14 hours ago




2




2




$begingroup$
I don't believe it counts toward "ace" when the plane shot down is yours.
$endgroup$
– Harper
9 hours ago




$begingroup$
I don't believe it counts toward "ace" when the plane shot down is yours.
$endgroup$
– Harper
9 hours ago


















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Tabula multilinguis Rosettana in Museo Britannico ostenditur. Tabula Rosettana, [1] etiam titulo OGIS 90 agnita, est stela decreto de rebus sacris in Aegypto anno 196 a.C.n. lato inscripta. Tabula iuxta Rosettam Aegypti, urbem in delta Nili et ad oram maris Mediterranei iacentem, anno 1799 a milite Francico reperta est. Inventio stelae, linguis duabus scripturisque tribus inscriptae, eruditis Instituti Aegypti statim nuntiata est; ibi enim iussu imperatoris Napoleonis eruditi omnium scientiarum (sub aegide Commissionis Scientiarum et Artium) properaverant cum expeditione Francica. Qua a Britannis mox debellata, tabula Rosettana Londinium missa hodie apud Museum Britannicum iacet. Textus Graecus cito lectus interpretationi textuum Aegyptiorum (in formis hieroglyphica et demotica expressorum) gradatim adiuvit. Denique textum plene interpretatus est Ioannes Franciscus Champollion. Ab opere eruditorum cumulativo coepit hodiernus scripturae hieroglyphicae linguaeque Aegyptiae a...
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