Memory control in the Matrix
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Do we have explicit confirmation that the machines in the Matrix are able to control human memory?
Is there anything that gives us proof positive, for example, that they can erase the memory of a particular encounter or implant fresh new memories into a human mind without the person knowing?
Please note that this question (and its answers) take for granted that it's possible but doesn't offer any specific proof that it's the case
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Do we have explicit confirmation that the machines in the Matrix are able to control human memory?
Is there anything that gives us proof positive, for example, that they can erase the memory of a particular encounter or implant fresh new memories into a human mind without the person knowing?
Please note that this question (and its answers) take for granted that it's possible but doesn't offer any specific proof that it's the case
the-matrix
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scifi.stackexchange.com/q/82015/31051?
– Jason Baker
Dec 6 '16 at 20:03
Beat me to it by 30 seconds!
– Gallifreyan
Dec 6 '16 at 20:04
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Actually, since you ask for explicit confirmation, you might end up with no answers. The Architect claims to reload Matrix, Smith claims he will fulfill his bargain with Cypher. But here's one thing - Morpheus and Co were able to insert the knowledge of martial arts into Neo; if they can do it, there's no reason to suggest Machines can't.
– Gallifreyan
Dec 6 '16 at 20:07
@Gallifreian - I'm reasonably sure that there's a canon confirmation somewhere in the Matrix Films & Animatrix.
– Valorum
Dec 6 '16 at 20:33
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– Möoz
Dec 6 '16 at 20:59
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Do we have explicit confirmation that the machines in the Matrix are able to control human memory?
Is there anything that gives us proof positive, for example, that they can erase the memory of a particular encounter or implant fresh new memories into a human mind without the person knowing?
Please note that this question (and its answers) take for granted that it's possible but doesn't offer any specific proof that it's the case
the-matrix
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:43
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asked Dec 6 '16 at 19:56
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Do we have explicit confirmation that the machines in the Matrix are able to control human memory?
Is there anything that gives us proof positive, for example, that they can erase the memory of a particular encounter or implant fresh new memories into a human mind without the person knowing?
Please note that this question (and its answers) take for granted that it's possible but doesn't offer any specific proof that it's the case
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scifi.stackexchange.com/q/82015/31051?
– Jason Baker
Dec 6 '16 at 20:03
Beat me to it by 30 seconds!
– Gallifreyan
Dec 6 '16 at 20:04
4
Actually, since you ask for explicit confirmation, you might end up with no answers. The Architect claims to reload Matrix, Smith claims he will fulfill his bargain with Cypher. But here's one thing - Morpheus and Co were able to insert the knowledge of martial arts into Neo; if they can do it, there's no reason to suggest Machines can't.
– Gallifreyan
Dec 6 '16 at 20:07
@Gallifreian - I'm reasonably sure that there's a canon confirmation somewhere in the Matrix Films & Animatrix.
– Valorum
Dec 6 '16 at 20:33
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– Möoz
Dec 6 '16 at 20:59
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scifi.stackexchange.com/q/82015/31051?
– Jason Baker
Dec 6 '16 at 20:03
Beat me to it by 30 seconds!
– Gallifreyan
Dec 6 '16 at 20:04
4
Actually, since you ask for explicit confirmation, you might end up with no answers. The Architect claims to reload Matrix, Smith claims he will fulfill his bargain with Cypher. But here's one thing - Morpheus and Co were able to insert the knowledge of martial arts into Neo; if they can do it, there's no reason to suggest Machines can't.
– Gallifreyan
Dec 6 '16 at 20:07
@Gallifreian - I'm reasonably sure that there's a canon confirmation somewhere in the Matrix Films & Animatrix.
– Valorum
Dec 6 '16 at 20:33
1
Related
– Möoz
Dec 6 '16 at 20:59
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scifi.stackexchange.com/q/82015/31051?
– Jason Baker
Dec 6 '16 at 20:03
scifi.stackexchange.com/q/82015/31051?
– Jason Baker
Dec 6 '16 at 20:03
Beat me to it by 30 seconds!
– Gallifreyan
Dec 6 '16 at 20:04
Beat me to it by 30 seconds!
– Gallifreyan
Dec 6 '16 at 20:04
4
4
Actually, since you ask for explicit confirmation, you might end up with no answers. The Architect claims to reload Matrix, Smith claims he will fulfill his bargain with Cypher. But here's one thing - Morpheus and Co were able to insert the knowledge of martial arts into Neo; if they can do it, there's no reason to suggest Machines can't.
– Gallifreyan
Dec 6 '16 at 20:07
Actually, since you ask for explicit confirmation, you might end up with no answers. The Architect claims to reload Matrix, Smith claims he will fulfill his bargain with Cypher. But here's one thing - Morpheus and Co were able to insert the knowledge of martial arts into Neo; if they can do it, there's no reason to suggest Machines can't.
– Gallifreyan
Dec 6 '16 at 20:07
@Gallifreian - I'm reasonably sure that there's a canon confirmation somewhere in the Matrix Films & Animatrix.
– Valorum
Dec 6 '16 at 20:33
@Gallifreian - I'm reasonably sure that there's a canon confirmation somewhere in the Matrix Films & Animatrix.
– Valorum
Dec 6 '16 at 20:33
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1
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– Möoz
Dec 6 '16 at 20:59
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When Neo is captured and interrogated by Smith and Co. on the first movie, he remembers them bugging him. If they could manipulate memory, they'd bug him, and erase the memory of the action, lest they risk him telling the Resistance he was bugged. So, this at least points to the fact they can't change memory at a fine level.
Cypher was asking for a whole wipe though. He wanted essentially to forget everything since he was in his pre-teens when he joined Morpheus - which might be easier to do, since we know people can suffer from amnesia in real life and forget pretty much everything. Set up his new identity, and let humanity take the wheel. "Hello Mr. rich guy, we thought we lost you there." Can they cause amnesia though? We don't know.
answered Dec 7 '16 at 11:44
CyberClawCyberClaw
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Well, it shows that it's perhaps non-trivial to do it.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 12:59
They were hunting Morpheus. It was their number one target (as per the news Neo is reading), and Neo was their bait. So I doubt they'd spare time/expenses readying the bait. If it was within their power they'd have done it.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:15
Morpheus says that they're underestimating Neo's importance.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 13:36
I'll use just the first movie for my argument here. They use him as bait to catch Morpheus, when they don't realize he is destined to become more dangerous than Morpheus. They only care about Morpheus, or the codes to Zion in particular. If you count the sequels, they were just playing their role to lead the One to the source - we never know exactly how much they know, while playing their role. Do they know about the prophecy and that it was a machine creation? Either way, my point remains. Morpheus was their no1 target, so they should pull all the tricks up their sleeves.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:55
1
@Valorum - Re. perhaps non-trivial - "Christ! That thing is real?" suggests that they didn't need to. Anything else is further speculation. The agents might be underestimating Neo's importance, but the system, by design, knows better than to, F with his brain, pal; it ain't worth it. 'The codes' are a red-herring-plot-coupon which became invalid with the release of the second and third movies.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:45
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Yes. The machines are shown to be able to remove memories
In the Animatrix short "World Record" an athlete sees the truth of the Matrix as a result of pushing his body to the limits of human endurance. Afterwards we see him in hospital. An agent notes that his memories have been altered and redacted.
Agent [VO]: An interesting case, but nothing to be concerned about.
His memory of the race was expunged with no residual effects.
answered Dec 17 '16 at 19:28
ValorumValorum
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The closing moments after the next line "He will never run again. He will never walk again.", with the athlete breaking his wheelchair and walking to escape on his damaged legs, saying "Free. Free!", with the nurse and agent rushing to stop him, always indicated to me that the procedure wasn't as successful as the agent thought. Seems to support the other answers that it's not easily or lightly done and the Matrix doesn't have total, exact control.
– Dacio
11 hours ago
@Dacio - Exactly so. They would hardly have lost "entire crops" if the procedure was trivially effective.
– Valorum
10 hours ago
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Implant: sure, why not? Don't you know Kungfu?
Erase: doubtful. Why would they have lost entire crops if they only needed to sedate people and then try again?
You just get flushed.
What we do see on-screen is that any time something extremely fishy is seen going on, that person is immediately overtaken by an agent. For example, the bum in the subway and the helicopter pilot. We are left to speculate that should the original person who was overtaken happen to live long enough to be released, they wouldn't remember what transpired, but that never happened in the trilogy.
answered Dec 7 '16 at 3:52
MazuraMazura
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IMO, and in most people's it seems, the original trilogy itself rapidly declines in canonical worth as it carries onward. Be forewarned that if you find an acceptable answer citing anything but the movies, I'll downvote your question ;) Or at the very least, vie to close it as a dupe of the Cypher question. You might ask Biology.SE if you can un-lobotomise someone, but I doubt it.
– Mazura
Dec 7 '16 at 3:55
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they may not have the ability to totally wipe memory but they can certainly tweak it if neo had taken the other pill (blue) he would have woken up thinking it was all just an intense dream (his dealings with Morpheus) the same way he woke up in his bed after been taken to the police station and bugged, he thought it was just a dream remember his reaction when they get it out of him in car "that things real!!!"
answered Dec 12 '16 at 0:00
tim cottertim cotter
873
Well, he appears to have become unconscious and been taken to his apartment where he awoke. I'm not sure that's "memory control"
– Valorum
Dec 12 '16 at 0:05
1
"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe." - IMO that couldn't be closer to reality and as good of an answer as this question's going to get. Plus one.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:51
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When Neo is captured and interrogated by Smith and Co. on the first movie, he remembers them bugging him. If they could manipulate memory, they'd bug him, and erase the memory of the action, lest they risk him telling the Resistance he was bugged. So, this at least points to the fact they can't change memory at a fine level.
Cypher was asking for a whole wipe though. He wanted essentially to forget everything since he was in his pre-teens when he joined Morpheus - which might be easier to do, since we know people can suffer from amnesia in real life and forget pretty much everything. Set up his new identity, and let humanity take the wheel. "Hello Mr. rich guy, we thought we lost you there." Can they cause amnesia though? We don't know.
answered Dec 7 '16 at 11:44
CyberClawCyberClaw
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Well, it shows that it's perhaps non-trivial to do it.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 12:59
They were hunting Morpheus. It was their number one target (as per the news Neo is reading), and Neo was their bait. So I doubt they'd spare time/expenses readying the bait. If it was within their power they'd have done it.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:15
Morpheus says that they're underestimating Neo's importance.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 13:36
I'll use just the first movie for my argument here. They use him as bait to catch Morpheus, when they don't realize he is destined to become more dangerous than Morpheus. They only care about Morpheus, or the codes to Zion in particular. If you count the sequels, they were just playing their role to lead the One to the source - we never know exactly how much they know, while playing their role. Do they know about the prophecy and that it was a machine creation? Either way, my point remains. Morpheus was their no1 target, so they should pull all the tricks up their sleeves.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:55
1
@Valorum - Re. perhaps non-trivial - "Christ! That thing is real?" suggests that they didn't need to. Anything else is further speculation. The agents might be underestimating Neo's importance, but the system, by design, knows better than to, F with his brain, pal; it ain't worth it. 'The codes' are a red-herring-plot-coupon which became invalid with the release of the second and third movies.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:45
|
show 4 more comments
When Neo is captured and interrogated by Smith and Co. on the first movie, he remembers them bugging him. If they could manipulate memory, they'd bug him, and erase the memory of the action, lest they risk him telling the Resistance he was bugged. So, this at least points to the fact they can't change memory at a fine level.
Cypher was asking for a whole wipe though. He wanted essentially to forget everything since he was in his pre-teens when he joined Morpheus - which might be easier to do, since we know people can suffer from amnesia in real life and forget pretty much everything. Set up his new identity, and let humanity take the wheel. "Hello Mr. rich guy, we thought we lost you there." Can they cause amnesia though? We don't know.
answered Dec 7 '16 at 11:44
CyberClawCyberClaw
1,24628
Well, it shows that it's perhaps non-trivial to do it.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 12:59
They were hunting Morpheus. It was their number one target (as per the news Neo is reading), and Neo was their bait. So I doubt they'd spare time/expenses readying the bait. If it was within their power they'd have done it.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:15
Morpheus says that they're underestimating Neo's importance.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 13:36
I'll use just the first movie for my argument here. They use him as bait to catch Morpheus, when they don't realize he is destined to become more dangerous than Morpheus. They only care about Morpheus, or the codes to Zion in particular. If you count the sequels, they were just playing their role to lead the One to the source - we never know exactly how much they know, while playing their role. Do they know about the prophecy and that it was a machine creation? Either way, my point remains. Morpheus was their no1 target, so they should pull all the tricks up their sleeves.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:55
1
@Valorum - Re. perhaps non-trivial - "Christ! That thing is real?" suggests that they didn't need to. Anything else is further speculation. The agents might be underestimating Neo's importance, but the system, by design, knows better than to, F with his brain, pal; it ain't worth it. 'The codes' are a red-herring-plot-coupon which became invalid with the release of the second and third movies.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:45
|
show 4 more comments
When Neo is captured and interrogated by Smith and Co. on the first movie, he remembers them bugging him. If they could manipulate memory, they'd bug him, and erase the memory of the action, lest they risk him telling the Resistance he was bugged. So, this at least points to the fact they can't change memory at a fine level.
Cypher was asking for a whole wipe though. He wanted essentially to forget everything since he was in his pre-teens when he joined Morpheus - which might be easier to do, since we know people can suffer from amnesia in real life and forget pretty much everything. Set up his new identity, and let humanity take the wheel. "Hello Mr. rich guy, we thought we lost you there." Can they cause amnesia though? We don't know.
answered Dec 7 '16 at 11:44
CyberClawCyberClaw
1,24628
When Neo is captured and interrogated by Smith and Co. on the first movie, he remembers them bugging him. If they could manipulate memory, they'd bug him, and erase the memory of the action, lest they risk him telling the Resistance he was bugged. So, this at least points to the fact they can't change memory at a fine level.
Cypher was asking for a whole wipe though. He wanted essentially to forget everything since he was in his pre-teens when he joined Morpheus - which might be easier to do, since we know people can suffer from amnesia in real life and forget pretty much everything. Set up his new identity, and let humanity take the wheel. "Hello Mr. rich guy, we thought we lost you there." Can they cause amnesia though? We don't know.
answered Dec 7 '16 at 11:44
CyberClawCyberClaw
1,24628
answered Dec 7 '16 at 11:44
CyberClawCyberClaw
1,24628
answered Dec 7 '16 at 11:44
CyberClawCyberClaw
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answered Dec 7 '16 at 11:44
CyberClawCyberClaw
1,24628
1,24628
Well, it shows that it's perhaps non-trivial to do it.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 12:59
They were hunting Morpheus. It was their number one target (as per the news Neo is reading), and Neo was their bait. So I doubt they'd spare time/expenses readying the bait. If it was within their power they'd have done it.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:15
Morpheus says that they're underestimating Neo's importance.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 13:36
I'll use just the first movie for my argument here. They use him as bait to catch Morpheus, when they don't realize he is destined to become more dangerous than Morpheus. They only care about Morpheus, or the codes to Zion in particular. If you count the sequels, they were just playing their role to lead the One to the source - we never know exactly how much they know, while playing their role. Do they know about the prophecy and that it was a machine creation? Either way, my point remains. Morpheus was their no1 target, so they should pull all the tricks up their sleeves.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:55
1
@Valorum - Re. perhaps non-trivial - "Christ! That thing is real?" suggests that they didn't need to. Anything else is further speculation. The agents might be underestimating Neo's importance, but the system, by design, knows better than to, F with his brain, pal; it ain't worth it. 'The codes' are a red-herring-plot-coupon which became invalid with the release of the second and third movies.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:45
|
show 4 more comments
Well, it shows that it's perhaps non-trivial to do it.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 12:59
They were hunting Morpheus. It was their number one target (as per the news Neo is reading), and Neo was their bait. So I doubt they'd spare time/expenses readying the bait. If it was within their power they'd have done it.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:15
Morpheus says that they're underestimating Neo's importance.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 13:36
I'll use just the first movie for my argument here. They use him as bait to catch Morpheus, when they don't realize he is destined to become more dangerous than Morpheus. They only care about Morpheus, or the codes to Zion in particular. If you count the sequels, they were just playing their role to lead the One to the source - we never know exactly how much they know, while playing their role. Do they know about the prophecy and that it was a machine creation? Either way, my point remains. Morpheus was their no1 target, so they should pull all the tricks up their sleeves.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:55
1
@Valorum - Re. perhaps non-trivial - "Christ! That thing is real?" suggests that they didn't need to. Anything else is further speculation. The agents might be underestimating Neo's importance, but the system, by design, knows better than to, F with his brain, pal; it ain't worth it. 'The codes' are a red-herring-plot-coupon which became invalid with the release of the second and third movies.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:45
Well, it shows that it's perhaps non-trivial to do it.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 12:59
Well, it shows that it's perhaps non-trivial to do it.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 12:59
They were hunting Morpheus. It was their number one target (as per the news Neo is reading), and Neo was their bait. So I doubt they'd spare time/expenses readying the bait. If it was within their power they'd have done it.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:15
They were hunting Morpheus. It was their number one target (as per the news Neo is reading), and Neo was their bait. So I doubt they'd spare time/expenses readying the bait. If it was within their power they'd have done it.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:15
Morpheus says that they're underestimating Neo's importance.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 13:36
Morpheus says that they're underestimating Neo's importance.
– Valorum
Dec 7 '16 at 13:36
I'll use just the first movie for my argument here. They use him as bait to catch Morpheus, when they don't realize he is destined to become more dangerous than Morpheus. They only care about Morpheus, or the codes to Zion in particular. If you count the sequels, they were just playing their role to lead the One to the source - we never know exactly how much they know, while playing their role. Do they know about the prophecy and that it was a machine creation? Either way, my point remains. Morpheus was their no1 target, so they should pull all the tricks up their sleeves.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:55
I'll use just the first movie for my argument here. They use him as bait to catch Morpheus, when they don't realize he is destined to become more dangerous than Morpheus. They only care about Morpheus, or the codes to Zion in particular. If you count the sequels, they were just playing their role to lead the One to the source - we never know exactly how much they know, while playing their role. Do they know about the prophecy and that it was a machine creation? Either way, my point remains. Morpheus was their no1 target, so they should pull all the tricks up their sleeves.
– CyberClaw
Dec 7 '16 at 13:55
1
1
@Valorum - Re. perhaps non-trivial - "Christ! That thing is real?" suggests that they didn't need to. Anything else is further speculation. The agents might be underestimating Neo's importance, but the system, by design, knows better than to, F with his brain, pal; it ain't worth it. 'The codes' are a red-herring-plot-coupon which became invalid with the release of the second and third movies.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:45
@Valorum - Re. perhaps non-trivial - "Christ! That thing is real?" suggests that they didn't need to. Anything else is further speculation. The agents might be underestimating Neo's importance, but the system, by design, knows better than to, F with his brain, pal; it ain't worth it. 'The codes' are a red-herring-plot-coupon which became invalid with the release of the second and third movies.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:45
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Yes. The machines are shown to be able to remove memories
In the Animatrix short "World Record" an athlete sees the truth of the Matrix as a result of pushing his body to the limits of human endurance. Afterwards we see him in hospital. An agent notes that his memories have been altered and redacted.
Agent [VO]: An interesting case, but nothing to be concerned about.
His memory of the race was expunged with no residual effects.
answered Dec 17 '16 at 19:28
ValorumValorum
414k11330123234
The closing moments after the next line "He will never run again. He will never walk again.", with the athlete breaking his wheelchair and walking to escape on his damaged legs, saying "Free. Free!", with the nurse and agent rushing to stop him, always indicated to me that the procedure wasn't as successful as the agent thought. Seems to support the other answers that it's not easily or lightly done and the Matrix doesn't have total, exact control.
– Dacio
11 hours ago
@Dacio - Exactly so. They would hardly have lost "entire crops" if the procedure was trivially effective.
– Valorum
10 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes. The machines are shown to be able to remove memories
In the Animatrix short "World Record" an athlete sees the truth of the Matrix as a result of pushing his body to the limits of human endurance. Afterwards we see him in hospital. An agent notes that his memories have been altered and redacted.
Agent [VO]: An interesting case, but nothing to be concerned about.
His memory of the race was expunged with no residual effects.
answered Dec 17 '16 at 19:28
ValorumValorum
414k11330123234
The closing moments after the next line "He will never run again. He will never walk again.", with the athlete breaking his wheelchair and walking to escape on his damaged legs, saying "Free. Free!", with the nurse and agent rushing to stop him, always indicated to me that the procedure wasn't as successful as the agent thought. Seems to support the other answers that it's not easily or lightly done and the Matrix doesn't have total, exact control.
– Dacio
11 hours ago
@Dacio - Exactly so. They would hardly have lost "entire crops" if the procedure was trivially effective.
– Valorum
10 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes. The machines are shown to be able to remove memories
In the Animatrix short "World Record" an athlete sees the truth of the Matrix as a result of pushing his body to the limits of human endurance. Afterwards we see him in hospital. An agent notes that his memories have been altered and redacted.
Agent [VO]: An interesting case, but nothing to be concerned about.
His memory of the race was expunged with no residual effects.
answered Dec 17 '16 at 19:28
ValorumValorum
414k11330123234
Yes. The machines are shown to be able to remove memories
In the Animatrix short "World Record" an athlete sees the truth of the Matrix as a result of pushing his body to the limits of human endurance. Afterwards we see him in hospital. An agent notes that his memories have been altered and redacted.
Agent [VO]: An interesting case, but nothing to be concerned about.
His memory of the race was expunged with no residual effects.
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The closing moments after the next line "He will never run again. He will never walk again.", with the athlete breaking his wheelchair and walking to escape on his damaged legs, saying "Free. Free!", with the nurse and agent rushing to stop him, always indicated to me that the procedure wasn't as successful as the agent thought. Seems to support the other answers that it's not easily or lightly done and the Matrix doesn't have total, exact control.
– Dacio
11 hours ago
@Dacio - Exactly so. They would hardly have lost "entire crops" if the procedure was trivially effective.
– Valorum
10 hours ago
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The closing moments after the next line "He will never run again. He will never walk again.", with the athlete breaking his wheelchair and walking to escape on his damaged legs, saying "Free. Free!", with the nurse and agent rushing to stop him, always indicated to me that the procedure wasn't as successful as the agent thought. Seems to support the other answers that it's not easily or lightly done and the Matrix doesn't have total, exact control.
– Dacio
11 hours ago
@Dacio - Exactly so. They would hardly have lost "entire crops" if the procedure was trivially effective.
– Valorum
10 hours ago
The closing moments after the next line "He will never run again. He will never walk again.", with the athlete breaking his wheelchair and walking to escape on his damaged legs, saying "Free. Free!", with the nurse and agent rushing to stop him, always indicated to me that the procedure wasn't as successful as the agent thought. Seems to support the other answers that it's not easily or lightly done and the Matrix doesn't have total, exact control.
– Dacio
11 hours ago
The closing moments after the next line "He will never run again. He will never walk again.", with the athlete breaking his wheelchair and walking to escape on his damaged legs, saying "Free. Free!", with the nurse and agent rushing to stop him, always indicated to me that the procedure wasn't as successful as the agent thought. Seems to support the other answers that it's not easily or lightly done and the Matrix doesn't have total, exact control.
– Dacio
11 hours ago
@Dacio - Exactly so. They would hardly have lost "entire crops" if the procedure was trivially effective.
– Valorum
10 hours ago
@Dacio - Exactly so. They would hardly have lost "entire crops" if the procedure was trivially effective.
– Valorum
10 hours ago
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Implant: sure, why not? Don't you know Kungfu?
Erase: doubtful. Why would they have lost entire crops if they only needed to sedate people and then try again?
You just get flushed.
What we do see on-screen is that any time something extremely fishy is seen going on, that person is immediately overtaken by an agent. For example, the bum in the subway and the helicopter pilot. We are left to speculate that should the original person who was overtaken happen to live long enough to be released, they wouldn't remember what transpired, but that never happened in the trilogy.
answered Dec 7 '16 at 3:52
MazuraMazura
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IMO, and in most people's it seems, the original trilogy itself rapidly declines in canonical worth as it carries onward. Be forewarned that if you find an acceptable answer citing anything but the movies, I'll downvote your question ;) Or at the very least, vie to close it as a dupe of the Cypher question. You might ask Biology.SE if you can un-lobotomise someone, but I doubt it.
– Mazura
Dec 7 '16 at 3:55
add a comment |
Implant: sure, why not? Don't you know Kungfu?
Erase: doubtful. Why would they have lost entire crops if they only needed to sedate people and then try again?
You just get flushed.
What we do see on-screen is that any time something extremely fishy is seen going on, that person is immediately overtaken by an agent. For example, the bum in the subway and the helicopter pilot. We are left to speculate that should the original person who was overtaken happen to live long enough to be released, they wouldn't remember what transpired, but that never happened in the trilogy.
answered Dec 7 '16 at 3:52
MazuraMazura
5,2651846
IMO, and in most people's it seems, the original trilogy itself rapidly declines in canonical worth as it carries onward. Be forewarned that if you find an acceptable answer citing anything but the movies, I'll downvote your question ;) Or at the very least, vie to close it as a dupe of the Cypher question. You might ask Biology.SE if you can un-lobotomise someone, but I doubt it.
– Mazura
Dec 7 '16 at 3:55
add a comment |
Implant: sure, why not? Don't you know Kungfu?
Erase: doubtful. Why would they have lost entire crops if they only needed to sedate people and then try again?
You just get flushed.
What we do see on-screen is that any time something extremely fishy is seen going on, that person is immediately overtaken by an agent. For example, the bum in the subway and the helicopter pilot. We are left to speculate that should the original person who was overtaken happen to live long enough to be released, they wouldn't remember what transpired, but that never happened in the trilogy.
answered Dec 7 '16 at 3:52
MazuraMazura
5,2651846
Implant: sure, why not? Don't you know Kungfu?
Erase: doubtful. Why would they have lost entire crops if they only needed to sedate people and then try again?
You just get flushed.
What we do see on-screen is that any time something extremely fishy is seen going on, that person is immediately overtaken by an agent. For example, the bum in the subway and the helicopter pilot. We are left to speculate that should the original person who was overtaken happen to live long enough to be released, they wouldn't remember what transpired, but that never happened in the trilogy.
answered Dec 7 '16 at 3:52
MazuraMazura
5,2651846
answered Dec 7 '16 at 3:52
MazuraMazura
5,2651846
answered Dec 7 '16 at 3:52
MazuraMazura
5,2651846
answered Dec 7 '16 at 3:52
MazuraMazura
5,2651846
5,2651846
IMO, and in most people's it seems, the original trilogy itself rapidly declines in canonical worth as it carries onward. Be forewarned that if you find an acceptable answer citing anything but the movies, I'll downvote your question ;) Or at the very least, vie to close it as a dupe of the Cypher question. You might ask Biology.SE if you can un-lobotomise someone, but I doubt it.
– Mazura
Dec 7 '16 at 3:55
add a comment |
IMO, and in most people's it seems, the original trilogy itself rapidly declines in canonical worth as it carries onward. Be forewarned that if you find an acceptable answer citing anything but the movies, I'll downvote your question ;) Or at the very least, vie to close it as a dupe of the Cypher question. You might ask Biology.SE if you can un-lobotomise someone, but I doubt it.
– Mazura
Dec 7 '16 at 3:55
IMO, and in most people's it seems, the original trilogy itself rapidly declines in canonical worth as it carries onward. Be forewarned that if you find an acceptable answer citing anything but the movies, I'll downvote your question ;) Or at the very least, vie to close it as a dupe of the Cypher question. You might ask Biology.SE if you can un-lobotomise someone, but I doubt it.
– Mazura
Dec 7 '16 at 3:55
IMO, and in most people's it seems, the original trilogy itself rapidly declines in canonical worth as it carries onward. Be forewarned that if you find an acceptable answer citing anything but the movies, I'll downvote your question ;) Or at the very least, vie to close it as a dupe of the Cypher question. You might ask Biology.SE if you can un-lobotomise someone, but I doubt it.
– Mazura
Dec 7 '16 at 3:55
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they may not have the ability to totally wipe memory but they can certainly tweak it if neo had taken the other pill (blue) he would have woken up thinking it was all just an intense dream (his dealings with Morpheus) the same way he woke up in his bed after been taken to the police station and bugged, he thought it was just a dream remember his reaction when they get it out of him in car "that things real!!!"
answered Dec 12 '16 at 0:00
tim cottertim cotter
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Well, he appears to have become unconscious and been taken to his apartment where he awoke. I'm not sure that's "memory control"
– Valorum
Dec 12 '16 at 0:05
1
"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe." - IMO that couldn't be closer to reality and as good of an answer as this question's going to get. Plus one.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:51
add a comment |
they may not have the ability to totally wipe memory but they can certainly tweak it if neo had taken the other pill (blue) he would have woken up thinking it was all just an intense dream (his dealings with Morpheus) the same way he woke up in his bed after been taken to the police station and bugged, he thought it was just a dream remember his reaction when they get it out of him in car "that things real!!!"
answered Dec 12 '16 at 0:00
tim cottertim cotter
873
Well, he appears to have become unconscious and been taken to his apartment where he awoke. I'm not sure that's "memory control"
– Valorum
Dec 12 '16 at 0:05
1
"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe." - IMO that couldn't be closer to reality and as good of an answer as this question's going to get. Plus one.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:51
add a comment |
they may not have the ability to totally wipe memory but they can certainly tweak it if neo had taken the other pill (blue) he would have woken up thinking it was all just an intense dream (his dealings with Morpheus) the same way he woke up in his bed after been taken to the police station and bugged, he thought it was just a dream remember his reaction when they get it out of him in car "that things real!!!"
answered Dec 12 '16 at 0:00
tim cottertim cotter
873
they may not have the ability to totally wipe memory but they can certainly tweak it if neo had taken the other pill (blue) he would have woken up thinking it was all just an intense dream (his dealings with Morpheus) the same way he woke up in his bed after been taken to the police station and bugged, he thought it was just a dream remember his reaction when they get it out of him in car "that things real!!!"
answered Dec 12 '16 at 0:00
tim cottertim cotter
873
answered Dec 12 '16 at 0:00
tim cottertim cotter
873
answered Dec 12 '16 at 0:00
tim cottertim cotter
873
answered Dec 12 '16 at 0:00
tim cottertim cotter
873
873
Well, he appears to have become unconscious and been taken to his apartment where he awoke. I'm not sure that's "memory control"
– Valorum
Dec 12 '16 at 0:05
1
"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe." - IMO that couldn't be closer to reality and as good of an answer as this question's going to get. Plus one.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:51
add a comment |
Well, he appears to have become unconscious and been taken to his apartment where he awoke. I'm not sure that's "memory control"
– Valorum
Dec 12 '16 at 0:05
1
"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe." - IMO that couldn't be closer to reality and as good of an answer as this question's going to get. Plus one.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:51
Well, he appears to have become unconscious and been taken to his apartment where he awoke. I'm not sure that's "memory control"
– Valorum
Dec 12 '16 at 0:05
Well, he appears to have become unconscious and been taken to his apartment where he awoke. I'm not sure that's "memory control"
– Valorum
Dec 12 '16 at 0:05
1
1
"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe." - IMO that couldn't be closer to reality and as good of an answer as this question's going to get. Plus one.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:51
"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe." - IMO that couldn't be closer to reality and as good of an answer as this question's going to get. Plus one.
– Mazura
Dec 12 '16 at 1:51
add a comment |
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Beat me to it by 30 seconds!
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Actually, since you ask for explicit confirmation, you might end up with no answers. The Architect claims to reload Matrix, Smith claims he will fulfill his bargain with Cypher. But here's one thing - Morpheus and Co were able to insert the knowledge of martial arts into Neo; if they can do it, there's no reason to suggest Machines can't.
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@Gallifreian - I'm reasonably sure that there's a canon confirmation somewhere in the Matrix Films & Animatrix.
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