A Number Game puzzle












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Our team has created 9 math puzzles with ranging difficulty. Let me share one of them.



At the beginning a number is given to you. Your objective is to get a different number by making choices. Here's the pseudo code.



Let's say your number is $3$ and you need to reach $56$.




Start



If your number is ODD.




  1. Mr. Black multiplies it by $3$


  2. Then you should add $2$ or add $3$


  3. Go back to Start with your new number



Else (your number is EVEN)




  1. Mrs. White offers you to divide it by $2$



  2. If you accept the offer




    1. Mrs. White divides your number by $2$


    2. Go back to Start with your new number



    Else




    1. Mr. Black multiplies your number by $3$


    2. Then you should add $2$ or add $3$


    3. Go back to Start with your new number







If you've managed to get $56$ in Start step of this algorithm, then puzzle is solved.



As an example, here's the evaluation




$3 to 9 to text{by adding 2} to 11 to 33 to text{by adding 3} to 36 to text{by accepting offer} to 18 to text{by declining offer} to 54 to text{by adding 2} to 56$




Here are some puzzles for you to think
$$3 to 1$$
$$65 to 9$$
$$15 to 128$$



My hypothesis is: You can reach from any natural number to any other natural number (so there can be infinite pack of "interesting" puzzles).
What I have noticed, the more these numbers are far from each other, the harder it is to reach to solution. The puzzle is inspired from well known problem :)



I have 3 questions:




  1. Can you solve all of them? :)


  2. Is there a strategy or an algorithm, by which you can always reach to solution with any given source and target numbers?


  3. Can you prove or disprove my hypothesis?



You can try this puzzle with a more interactive way here (since level 6)



P.S: This is my first puzzle question. Hopefully the formatting is correct.










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    I'm closing this question as off-topic because it's neither a puzzle nor a question about puzzles, but merely a link to puzzles elsewhere. That's not what PSE is for, I'm afraid. If you can revise this to be a self-contained question, then please go ahead and request that the question be reopened.
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    The above is a little unfair (but there's only a limited number of characters per comment). Of course you're also asking some questions about those puzzles. But the questions aren't meaningful without the puzzles themselves, which are located elsewhere. Questions here need to be self-contained, unless there are extraordinary circumstances making that possible, so that e.g. they don't become meaningless on account of other sites changing or disappearing.
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    @GarethMcCaughan sorry for wrong formatting. Let me know if the question still needs improvements.
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    Looks OK to me now. Reopened. Thanks, shcolf!
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    – Gareth McCaughan
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    The puzzle has a rather Collatz-y feel to it; if the answer is that you can get from anywhere to anywhere, it might be rather difficult to prove.
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    – Gareth McCaughan
    4 hours ago
















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$begingroup$


Our team has created 9 math puzzles with ranging difficulty. Let me share one of them.



At the beginning a number is given to you. Your objective is to get a different number by making choices. Here's the pseudo code.



Let's say your number is $3$ and you need to reach $56$.




Start



If your number is ODD.




  1. Mr. Black multiplies it by $3$


  2. Then you should add $2$ or add $3$


  3. Go back to Start with your new number



Else (your number is EVEN)




  1. Mrs. White offers you to divide it by $2$



  2. If you accept the offer




    1. Mrs. White divides your number by $2$


    2. Go back to Start with your new number



    Else




    1. Mr. Black multiplies your number by $3$


    2. Then you should add $2$ or add $3$


    3. Go back to Start with your new number







If you've managed to get $56$ in Start step of this algorithm, then puzzle is solved.



As an example, here's the evaluation




$3 to 9 to text{by adding 2} to 11 to 33 to text{by adding 3} to 36 to text{by accepting offer} to 18 to text{by declining offer} to 54 to text{by adding 2} to 56$




Here are some puzzles for you to think
$$3 to 1$$
$$65 to 9$$
$$15 to 128$$



My hypothesis is: You can reach from any natural number to any other natural number (so there can be infinite pack of "interesting" puzzles).
What I have noticed, the more these numbers are far from each other, the harder it is to reach to solution. The puzzle is inspired from well known problem :)



I have 3 questions:




  1. Can you solve all of them? :)


  2. Is there a strategy or an algorithm, by which you can always reach to solution with any given source and target numbers?


  3. Can you prove or disprove my hypothesis?



You can try this puzzle with a more interactive way here (since level 6)



P.S: This is my first puzzle question. Hopefully the formatting is correct.










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    $begingroup$
    I'm closing this question as off-topic because it's neither a puzzle nor a question about puzzles, but merely a link to puzzles elsewhere. That's not what PSE is for, I'm afraid. If you can revise this to be a self-contained question, then please go ahead and request that the question be reopened.
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    – Gareth McCaughan
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The above is a little unfair (but there's only a limited number of characters per comment). Of course you're also asking some questions about those puzzles. But the questions aren't meaningful without the puzzles themselves, which are located elsewhere. Questions here need to be self-contained, unless there are extraordinary circumstances making that possible, so that e.g. they don't become meaningless on account of other sites changing or disappearing.
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    7 hours ago












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    @GarethMcCaughan sorry for wrong formatting. Let me know if the question still needs improvements.
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    – shcolf
    4 hours ago






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    Looks OK to me now. Reopened. Thanks, shcolf!
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    – Gareth McCaughan
    4 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    The puzzle has a rather Collatz-y feel to it; if the answer is that you can get from anywhere to anywhere, it might be rather difficult to prove.
    $endgroup$
    – Gareth McCaughan
    4 hours ago














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$begingroup$


Our team has created 9 math puzzles with ranging difficulty. Let me share one of them.



At the beginning a number is given to you. Your objective is to get a different number by making choices. Here's the pseudo code.



Let's say your number is $3$ and you need to reach $56$.




Start



If your number is ODD.




  1. Mr. Black multiplies it by $3$


  2. Then you should add $2$ or add $3$


  3. Go back to Start with your new number



Else (your number is EVEN)




  1. Mrs. White offers you to divide it by $2$



  2. If you accept the offer




    1. Mrs. White divides your number by $2$


    2. Go back to Start with your new number



    Else




    1. Mr. Black multiplies your number by $3$


    2. Then you should add $2$ or add $3$


    3. Go back to Start with your new number







If you've managed to get $56$ in Start step of this algorithm, then puzzle is solved.



As an example, here's the evaluation




$3 to 9 to text{by adding 2} to 11 to 33 to text{by adding 3} to 36 to text{by accepting offer} to 18 to text{by declining offer} to 54 to text{by adding 2} to 56$




Here are some puzzles for you to think
$$3 to 1$$
$$65 to 9$$
$$15 to 128$$



My hypothesis is: You can reach from any natural number to any other natural number (so there can be infinite pack of "interesting" puzzles).
What I have noticed, the more these numbers are far from each other, the harder it is to reach to solution. The puzzle is inspired from well known problem :)



I have 3 questions:




  1. Can you solve all of them? :)


  2. Is there a strategy or an algorithm, by which you can always reach to solution with any given source and target numbers?


  3. Can you prove or disprove my hypothesis?



You can try this puzzle with a more interactive way here (since level 6)



P.S: This is my first puzzle question. Hopefully the formatting is correct.










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Our team has created 9 math puzzles with ranging difficulty. Let me share one of them.



At the beginning a number is given to you. Your objective is to get a different number by making choices. Here's the pseudo code.



Let's say your number is $3$ and you need to reach $56$.




Start



If your number is ODD.




  1. Mr. Black multiplies it by $3$


  2. Then you should add $2$ or add $3$


  3. Go back to Start with your new number



Else (your number is EVEN)




  1. Mrs. White offers you to divide it by $2$



  2. If you accept the offer




    1. Mrs. White divides your number by $2$


    2. Go back to Start with your new number



    Else




    1. Mr. Black multiplies your number by $3$


    2. Then you should add $2$ or add $3$


    3. Go back to Start with your new number







If you've managed to get $56$ in Start step of this algorithm, then puzzle is solved.



As an example, here's the evaluation




$3 to 9 to text{by adding 2} to 11 to 33 to text{by adding 3} to 36 to text{by accepting offer} to 18 to text{by declining offer} to 54 to text{by adding 2} to 56$




Here are some puzzles for you to think
$$3 to 1$$
$$65 to 9$$
$$15 to 128$$



My hypothesis is: You can reach from any natural number to any other natural number (so there can be infinite pack of "interesting" puzzles).
What I have noticed, the more these numbers are far from each other, the harder it is to reach to solution. The puzzle is inspired from well known problem :)



I have 3 questions:




  1. Can you solve all of them? :)


  2. Is there a strategy or an algorithm, by which you can always reach to solution with any given source and target numbers?


  3. Can you prove or disprove my hypothesis?



You can try this puzzle with a more interactive way here (since level 6)



P.S: This is my first puzzle question. Hopefully the formatting is correct.







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    I'm closing this question as off-topic because it's neither a puzzle nor a question about puzzles, but merely a link to puzzles elsewhere. That's not what PSE is for, I'm afraid. If you can revise this to be a self-contained question, then please go ahead and request that the question be reopened.
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    $begingroup$
    The above is a little unfair (but there's only a limited number of characters per comment). Of course you're also asking some questions about those puzzles. But the questions aren't meaningful without the puzzles themselves, which are located elsewhere. Questions here need to be self-contained, unless there are extraordinary circumstances making that possible, so that e.g. they don't become meaningless on account of other sites changing or disappearing.
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    @GarethMcCaughan sorry for wrong formatting. Let me know if the question still needs improvements.
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    Looks OK to me now. Reopened. Thanks, shcolf!
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    The puzzle has a rather Collatz-y feel to it; if the answer is that you can get from anywhere to anywhere, it might be rather difficult to prove.
    $endgroup$
    – Gareth McCaughan
    4 hours ago














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    $begingroup$
    I'm closing this question as off-topic because it's neither a puzzle nor a question about puzzles, but merely a link to puzzles elsewhere. That's not what PSE is for, I'm afraid. If you can revise this to be a self-contained question, then please go ahead and request that the question be reopened.
    $endgroup$
    – Gareth McCaughan
    7 hours ago






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    $begingroup$
    The above is a little unfair (but there's only a limited number of characters per comment). Of course you're also asking some questions about those puzzles. But the questions aren't meaningful without the puzzles themselves, which are located elsewhere. Questions here need to be self-contained, unless there are extraordinary circumstances making that possible, so that e.g. they don't become meaningless on account of other sites changing or disappearing.
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    @GarethMcCaughan sorry for wrong formatting. Let me know if the question still needs improvements.
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    Looks OK to me now. Reopened. Thanks, shcolf!
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    – Gareth McCaughan
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    The puzzle has a rather Collatz-y feel to it; if the answer is that you can get from anywhere to anywhere, it might be rather difficult to prove.
    $endgroup$
    – Gareth McCaughan
    4 hours ago








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I'm closing this question as off-topic because it's neither a puzzle nor a question about puzzles, but merely a link to puzzles elsewhere. That's not what PSE is for, I'm afraid. If you can revise this to be a self-contained question, then please go ahead and request that the question be reopened.
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– Gareth McCaughan
7 hours ago




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I'm closing this question as off-topic because it's neither a puzzle nor a question about puzzles, but merely a link to puzzles elsewhere. That's not what PSE is for, I'm afraid. If you can revise this to be a self-contained question, then please go ahead and request that the question be reopened.
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– Gareth McCaughan
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$begingroup$
The above is a little unfair (but there's only a limited number of characters per comment). Of course you're also asking some questions about those puzzles. But the questions aren't meaningful without the puzzles themselves, which are located elsewhere. Questions here need to be self-contained, unless there are extraordinary circumstances making that possible, so that e.g. they don't become meaningless on account of other sites changing or disappearing.
$endgroup$
– Gareth McCaughan
7 hours ago






$begingroup$
The above is a little unfair (but there's only a limited number of characters per comment). Of course you're also asking some questions about those puzzles. But the questions aren't meaningful without the puzzles themselves, which are located elsewhere. Questions here need to be self-contained, unless there are extraordinary circumstances making that possible, so that e.g. they don't become meaningless on account of other sites changing or disappearing.
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7 hours ago














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@GarethMcCaughan sorry for wrong formatting. Let me know if the question still needs improvements.
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@GarethMcCaughan sorry for wrong formatting. Let me know if the question still needs improvements.
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Looks OK to me now. Reopened. Thanks, shcolf!
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Looks OK to me now. Reopened. Thanks, shcolf!
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– Gareth McCaughan
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The puzzle has a rather Collatz-y feel to it; if the answer is that you can get from anywhere to anywhere, it might be rather difficult to prove.
$endgroup$
– Gareth McCaughan
4 hours ago




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The puzzle has a rather Collatz-y feel to it; if the answer is that you can get from anywhere to anywhere, it might be rather difficult to prove.
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[EDITED to add: When I wrote this, the original statement of the problem had an error in it. That's now been fixed but what follows hasn't, so far, been updated accordingly.]



The most interesting of the questions originally asked is the third: is it possible to get from any number to any other number by this process?



The answer is




no, there are some $x,y$ for which you can't do $xrightarrow y$.




Here's a way to see that.




Call a number good if it's a multiple of 3 OR it's a power of 2 times a number of the form $6k-1$. Suppose $n$ is good; then if it's odd you can replace it with $3n+2$ which you can easily see is of the form $6k-1$, or with $3k+3$ which is a multiple of 3. And if it's (good and) even you can replace it with $n/2$ or $3n$, and clearly both of these are good since $n$ is. Therefore, if you start with a good number then you can only ever reach good numbers. Since some numbers are good and some aren't, it follows that we can't reach every number from every number.




I wonder, though, whether either I have misunderstood the question or OP hasn't asked quite the question they intended to, because




in particular this shows that you can't get from 3 to 1, which is one of the specific puzzles posed; I wouldn't expect OP to be conjecturing that you can get from any number to any other if they'd tried to get from 3 to 1 and failed...







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    Ohh.. I just noticed that I forgot 1 key step to put in the algorithm :( Really sorry about that. Now it is fixed.
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    I wondered :-).
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[EDITED to add: When I wrote this, the original statement of the problem had an error in it. That's now been fixed but what follows hasn't, so far, been updated accordingly.]



The most interesting of the questions originally asked is the third: is it possible to get from any number to any other number by this process?



The answer is




no, there are some $x,y$ for which you can't do $xrightarrow y$.




Here's a way to see that.




Call a number good if it's a multiple of 3 OR it's a power of 2 times a number of the form $6k-1$. Suppose $n$ is good; then if it's odd you can replace it with $3n+2$ which you can easily see is of the form $6k-1$, or with $3k+3$ which is a multiple of 3. And if it's (good and) even you can replace it with $n/2$ or $3n$, and clearly both of these are good since $n$ is. Therefore, if you start with a good number then you can only ever reach good numbers. Since some numbers are good and some aren't, it follows that we can't reach every number from every number.




I wonder, though, whether either I have misunderstood the question or OP hasn't asked quite the question they intended to, because




in particular this shows that you can't get from 3 to 1, which is one of the specific puzzles posed; I wouldn't expect OP to be conjecturing that you can get from any number to any other if they'd tried to get from 3 to 1 and failed...







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    Ohh.. I just noticed that I forgot 1 key step to put in the algorithm :( Really sorry about that. Now it is fixed.
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    I wondered :-).
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$begingroup$

[EDITED to add: When I wrote this, the original statement of the problem had an error in it. That's now been fixed but what follows hasn't, so far, been updated accordingly.]



The most interesting of the questions originally asked is the third: is it possible to get from any number to any other number by this process?



The answer is




no, there are some $x,y$ for which you can't do $xrightarrow y$.




Here's a way to see that.




Call a number good if it's a multiple of 3 OR it's a power of 2 times a number of the form $6k-1$. Suppose $n$ is good; then if it's odd you can replace it with $3n+2$ which you can easily see is of the form $6k-1$, or with $3k+3$ which is a multiple of 3. And if it's (good and) even you can replace it with $n/2$ or $3n$, and clearly both of these are good since $n$ is. Therefore, if you start with a good number then you can only ever reach good numbers. Since some numbers are good and some aren't, it follows that we can't reach every number from every number.




I wonder, though, whether either I have misunderstood the question or OP hasn't asked quite the question they intended to, because




in particular this shows that you can't get from 3 to 1, which is one of the specific puzzles posed; I wouldn't expect OP to be conjecturing that you can get from any number to any other if they'd tried to get from 3 to 1 and failed...







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    Ohh.. I just noticed that I forgot 1 key step to put in the algorithm :( Really sorry about that. Now it is fixed.
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    I wondered :-).
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$begingroup$

[EDITED to add: When I wrote this, the original statement of the problem had an error in it. That's now been fixed but what follows hasn't, so far, been updated accordingly.]



The most interesting of the questions originally asked is the third: is it possible to get from any number to any other number by this process?



The answer is




no, there are some $x,y$ for which you can't do $xrightarrow y$.




Here's a way to see that.




Call a number good if it's a multiple of 3 OR it's a power of 2 times a number of the form $6k-1$. Suppose $n$ is good; then if it's odd you can replace it with $3n+2$ which you can easily see is of the form $6k-1$, or with $3k+3$ which is a multiple of 3. And if it's (good and) even you can replace it with $n/2$ or $3n$, and clearly both of these are good since $n$ is. Therefore, if you start with a good number then you can only ever reach good numbers. Since some numbers are good and some aren't, it follows that we can't reach every number from every number.




I wonder, though, whether either I have misunderstood the question or OP hasn't asked quite the question they intended to, because




in particular this shows that you can't get from 3 to 1, which is one of the specific puzzles posed; I wouldn't expect OP to be conjecturing that you can get from any number to any other if they'd tried to get from 3 to 1 and failed...







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[EDITED to add: When I wrote this, the original statement of the problem had an error in it. That's now been fixed but what follows hasn't, so far, been updated accordingly.]



The most interesting of the questions originally asked is the third: is it possible to get from any number to any other number by this process?



The answer is




no, there are some $x,y$ for which you can't do $xrightarrow y$.




Here's a way to see that.




Call a number good if it's a multiple of 3 OR it's a power of 2 times a number of the form $6k-1$. Suppose $n$ is good; then if it's odd you can replace it with $3n+2$ which you can easily see is of the form $6k-1$, or with $3k+3$ which is a multiple of 3. And if it's (good and) even you can replace it with $n/2$ or $3n$, and clearly both of these are good since $n$ is. Therefore, if you start with a good number then you can only ever reach good numbers. Since some numbers are good and some aren't, it follows that we can't reach every number from every number.




I wonder, though, whether either I have misunderstood the question or OP hasn't asked quite the question they intended to, because




in particular this shows that you can't get from 3 to 1, which is one of the specific puzzles posed; I wouldn't expect OP to be conjecturing that you can get from any number to any other if they'd tried to get from 3 to 1 and failed...








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    Ohh.. I just noticed that I forgot 1 key step to put in the algorithm :( Really sorry about that. Now it is fixed.
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    I wondered :-).
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    Ohh.. I just noticed that I forgot 1 key step to put in the algorithm :( Really sorry about that. Now it is fixed.
    $endgroup$
    – shcolf
    3 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    I wondered :-).
    $endgroup$
    – Gareth McCaughan
    1 hour ago
















$begingroup$
Ohh.. I just noticed that I forgot 1 key step to put in the algorithm :( Really sorry about that. Now it is fixed.
$endgroup$
– shcolf
3 hours ago






$begingroup$
Ohh.. I just noticed that I forgot 1 key step to put in the algorithm :( Really sorry about that. Now it is fixed.
$endgroup$
– shcolf
3 hours ago














$begingroup$
I wondered :-).
$endgroup$
– Gareth McCaughan
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
I wondered :-).
$endgroup$
– Gareth McCaughan
1 hour ago










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