$lim_{xto{infty}}frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}$ [on hold]
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I have this problem nowadays:
$$lim_{xto{infty}}frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}$$
I found that it diverges when $k$ is greater than $e$ and converges when smaller than $e$.
I want to know the reason!! Please help me!!
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I have this problem nowadays:
$$lim_{xto{infty}}frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}$$
I found that it diverges when $k$ is greater than $e$ and converges when smaller than $e$.
I want to know the reason!! Please help me!!
limits
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Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
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yes. definitely
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– S. Yoo
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$x$ is natural number ?
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– dmtri
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real number maybe.
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– S. Yoo
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@dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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I have this problem nowadays:
$$lim_{xto{infty}}frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}$$
I found that it diverges when $k$ is greater than $e$ and converges when smaller than $e$.
I want to know the reason!! Please help me!!
limits
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I have this problem nowadays:
$$lim_{xto{infty}}frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}$$
I found that it diverges when $k$ is greater than $e$ and converges when smaller than $e$.
I want to know the reason!! Please help me!!
limits
limits
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Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
14 hours ago
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yes. definitely
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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$x$ is natural number ?
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– dmtri
14 hours ago
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real number maybe.
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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@dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
14 hours ago
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yes. definitely
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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$x$ is natural number ?
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– dmtri
14 hours ago
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real number maybe.
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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@dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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– Yanko
14 hours ago
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Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
14 hours ago
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Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
14 hours ago
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yes. definitely
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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yes. definitely
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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$x$ is natural number ?
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– dmtri
14 hours ago
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$x$ is natural number ?
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– dmtri
14 hours ago
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real number maybe.
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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real number maybe.
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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@dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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– Yanko
14 hours ago
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@dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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It's simple.
Apply Stirling approximation to the factorial:
$$x! approx sqrt{2pi x} x^x e^{-x}$$
And substitute it into your limit. You simplify a bit and arranging you get
$$lim_{xto +infty} frac{k^x}{e^x}sqrt{2pi x}$$
Actually the $sqrt{2pi x}$ is quite irrelevant. What you notice is the previous term, which you can also write as
$$lim_{xto +infty} left(frac{k}{e}right)^x$$
It's rather obvious now, that if $k/e < 1$ the limit converges, and if $k/e >1$ it does diverge. Whence your claim.
Nota: The square root term is irrelevant for if $k/e > 1$ it does diverge no matter the root. if $k/e < 1$ it does converge also in virtue of the l'Hôpital rule, and the root becomes irrelevant.
Nota2: Stirling Approximation works well if indeed $x$ goes to the infinity. Actually it works quite well even for small values of $x$. Hence your safe.
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Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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– Yanko
14 hours ago
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@Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
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– Von Neumann
14 hours ago
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Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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Hint (without Stirling). Consider the sequence $a_n=frac{n!k^n}{n^n}$ and find the limit
$$lim_{nto+infty}frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=lim_{nto+infty}frac{(n+1)!k^{n+1}}{(n+1)^{n+1}}cdot frac{n^n}{n!k^n}=kcdot lim_{nto+infty}frac{1}{(1+1/n)^n}$$
then use the ratio test for sequences (see Proof attempt to the ratio test for sequences).
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thanks! I understood
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Very similar to Von Neumann's answer.
$$y=frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}implies log(y)=x log(k)+log(x!)-xlog(x)$$ Using Stirling, we have
$$log(y)=x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)+frac{1}{12
x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$ $$log(y)sim x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)$$ which makes
$$y sim sqrt{2 pi x }, e^{x (log (k)-1)}=sqrt{2 pi x },e^{xlog(frac k e)}$$
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It's simple.
Apply Stirling approximation to the factorial:
$$x! approx sqrt{2pi x} x^x e^{-x}$$
And substitute it into your limit. You simplify a bit and arranging you get
$$lim_{xto +infty} frac{k^x}{e^x}sqrt{2pi x}$$
Actually the $sqrt{2pi x}$ is quite irrelevant. What you notice is the previous term, which you can also write as
$$lim_{xto +infty} left(frac{k}{e}right)^x$$
It's rather obvious now, that if $k/e < 1$ the limit converges, and if $k/e >1$ it does diverge. Whence your claim.
Nota: The square root term is irrelevant for if $k/e > 1$ it does diverge no matter the root. if $k/e < 1$ it does converge also in virtue of the l'Hôpital rule, and the root becomes irrelevant.
Nota2: Stirling Approximation works well if indeed $x$ goes to the infinity. Actually it works quite well even for small values of $x$. Hence your safe.
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Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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– Yanko
14 hours ago
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@Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
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– Von Neumann
14 hours ago
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Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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It's simple.
Apply Stirling approximation to the factorial:
$$x! approx sqrt{2pi x} x^x e^{-x}$$
And substitute it into your limit. You simplify a bit and arranging you get
$$lim_{xto +infty} frac{k^x}{e^x}sqrt{2pi x}$$
Actually the $sqrt{2pi x}$ is quite irrelevant. What you notice is the previous term, which you can also write as
$$lim_{xto +infty} left(frac{k}{e}right)^x$$
It's rather obvious now, that if $k/e < 1$ the limit converges, and if $k/e >1$ it does diverge. Whence your claim.
Nota: The square root term is irrelevant for if $k/e > 1$ it does diverge no matter the root. if $k/e < 1$ it does converge also in virtue of the l'Hôpital rule, and the root becomes irrelevant.
Nota2: Stirling Approximation works well if indeed $x$ goes to the infinity. Actually it works quite well even for small values of $x$. Hence your safe.
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Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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– Yanko
14 hours ago
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@Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
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– Von Neumann
14 hours ago
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Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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It's simple.
Apply Stirling approximation to the factorial:
$$x! approx sqrt{2pi x} x^x e^{-x}$$
And substitute it into your limit. You simplify a bit and arranging you get
$$lim_{xto +infty} frac{k^x}{e^x}sqrt{2pi x}$$
Actually the $sqrt{2pi x}$ is quite irrelevant. What you notice is the previous term, which you can also write as
$$lim_{xto +infty} left(frac{k}{e}right)^x$$
It's rather obvious now, that if $k/e < 1$ the limit converges, and if $k/e >1$ it does diverge. Whence your claim.
Nota: The square root term is irrelevant for if $k/e > 1$ it does diverge no matter the root. if $k/e < 1$ it does converge also in virtue of the l'Hôpital rule, and the root becomes irrelevant.
Nota2: Stirling Approximation works well if indeed $x$ goes to the infinity. Actually it works quite well even for small values of $x$. Hence your safe.
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It's simple.
Apply Stirling approximation to the factorial:
$$x! approx sqrt{2pi x} x^x e^{-x}$$
And substitute it into your limit. You simplify a bit and arranging you get
$$lim_{xto +infty} frac{k^x}{e^x}sqrt{2pi x}$$
Actually the $sqrt{2pi x}$ is quite irrelevant. What you notice is the previous term, which you can also write as
$$lim_{xto +infty} left(frac{k}{e}right)^x$$
It's rather obvious now, that if $k/e < 1$ the limit converges, and if $k/e >1$ it does diverge. Whence your claim.
Nota: The square root term is irrelevant for if $k/e > 1$ it does diverge no matter the root. if $k/e < 1$ it does converge also in virtue of the l'Hôpital rule, and the root becomes irrelevant.
Nota2: Stirling Approximation works well if indeed $x$ goes to the infinity. Actually it works quite well even for small values of $x$. Hence your safe.
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Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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– Yanko
14 hours ago
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@Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
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– Von Neumann
14 hours ago
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Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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– S. Yoo
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Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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– Yanko
14 hours ago
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@Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
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– Von Neumann
14 hours ago
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Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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– Yanko
14 hours ago
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Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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– Yanko
14 hours ago
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@Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
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– Von Neumann
14 hours ago
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@Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
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– Von Neumann
14 hours ago
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Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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Hint (without Stirling). Consider the sequence $a_n=frac{n!k^n}{n^n}$ and find the limit
$$lim_{nto+infty}frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=lim_{nto+infty}frac{(n+1)!k^{n+1}}{(n+1)^{n+1}}cdot frac{n^n}{n!k^n}=kcdot lim_{nto+infty}frac{1}{(1+1/n)^n}$$
then use the ratio test for sequences (see Proof attempt to the ratio test for sequences).
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thanks! I understood
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– S. Yoo
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Hint (without Stirling). Consider the sequence $a_n=frac{n!k^n}{n^n}$ and find the limit
$$lim_{nto+infty}frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=lim_{nto+infty}frac{(n+1)!k^{n+1}}{(n+1)^{n+1}}cdot frac{n^n}{n!k^n}=kcdot lim_{nto+infty}frac{1}{(1+1/n)^n}$$
then use the ratio test for sequences (see Proof attempt to the ratio test for sequences).
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thanks! I understood
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– S. Yoo
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Hint (without Stirling). Consider the sequence $a_n=frac{n!k^n}{n^n}$ and find the limit
$$lim_{nto+infty}frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=lim_{nto+infty}frac{(n+1)!k^{n+1}}{(n+1)^{n+1}}cdot frac{n^n}{n!k^n}=kcdot lim_{nto+infty}frac{1}{(1+1/n)^n}$$
then use the ratio test for sequences (see Proof attempt to the ratio test for sequences).
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Hint (without Stirling). Consider the sequence $a_n=frac{n!k^n}{n^n}$ and find the limit
$$lim_{nto+infty}frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=lim_{nto+infty}frac{(n+1)!k^{n+1}}{(n+1)^{n+1}}cdot frac{n^n}{n!k^n}=kcdot lim_{nto+infty}frac{1}{(1+1/n)^n}$$
then use the ratio test for sequences (see Proof attempt to the ratio test for sequences).
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thanks! I understood
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thanks! I understood
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thanks! I understood
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Very similar to Von Neumann's answer.
$$y=frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}implies log(y)=x log(k)+log(x!)-xlog(x)$$ Using Stirling, we have
$$log(y)=x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)+frac{1}{12
x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$ $$log(y)sim x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)$$ which makes
$$y sim sqrt{2 pi x }, e^{x (log (k)-1)}=sqrt{2 pi x },e^{xlog(frac k e)}$$
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Very similar to Von Neumann's answer.
$$y=frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}implies log(y)=x log(k)+log(x!)-xlog(x)$$ Using Stirling, we have
$$log(y)=x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)+frac{1}{12
x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$ $$log(y)sim x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)$$ which makes
$$y sim sqrt{2 pi x }, e^{x (log (k)-1)}=sqrt{2 pi x },e^{xlog(frac k e)}$$
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Very similar to Von Neumann's answer.
$$y=frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}implies log(y)=x log(k)+log(x!)-xlog(x)$$ Using Stirling, we have
$$log(y)=x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)+frac{1}{12
x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$ $$log(y)sim x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)$$ which makes
$$y sim sqrt{2 pi x }, e^{x (log (k)-1)}=sqrt{2 pi x },e^{xlog(frac k e)}$$
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Very similar to Von Neumann's answer.
$$y=frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}implies log(y)=x log(k)+log(x!)-xlog(x)$$ Using Stirling, we have
$$log(y)=x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)+frac{1}{12
x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$ $$log(y)sim x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)$$ which makes
$$y sim sqrt{2 pi x }, e^{x (log (k)-1)}=sqrt{2 pi x },e^{xlog(frac k e)}$$
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Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
14 hours ago
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yes. definitely
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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$x$ is natural number ?
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– dmtri
14 hours ago
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real number maybe.
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago
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@dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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– Yanko
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