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$$lim_{xto{infty}}frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}$$




I found that it diverges when $k$ is greater than $e$ and converges when smaller than $e$.



I want to know the reason!! Please help me!!










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    Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
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    yes. definitely
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    $x$ is natural number ?
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    real number maybe.
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I have this problem nowadays:




$$lim_{xto{infty}}frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}$$




I found that it diverges when $k$ is greater than $e$ and converges when smaller than $e$.



I want to know the reason!! Please help me!!










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    Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
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    yes. definitely
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    $x$ is natural number ?
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    real number maybe.
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    @dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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I have this problem nowadays:




$$lim_{xto{infty}}frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}$$




I found that it diverges when $k$ is greater than $e$ and converges when smaller than $e$.



I want to know the reason!! Please help me!!










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I have this problem nowadays:




$$lim_{xto{infty}}frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}$$




I found that it diverges when $k$ is greater than $e$ and converges when smaller than $e$.



I want to know the reason!! Please help me!!







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    Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
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    – Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
    14 hours ago










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    yes. definitely
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    – S. Yoo
    14 hours ago










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    $x$ is natural number ?
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    – dmtri
    14 hours ago










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    real number maybe.
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    – S. Yoo
    14 hours ago










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    @dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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    – Yanko
    14 hours ago


















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    Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
    $endgroup$
    – Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
    14 hours ago










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    yes. definitely
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    – S. Yoo
    14 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    $x$ is natural number ?
    $endgroup$
    – dmtri
    14 hours ago










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    real number maybe.
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    – S. Yoo
    14 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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    14 hours ago
















$begingroup$
Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
14 hours ago




$begingroup$
Is it $$lim_{xto infty}frac{k^xx!}{x^x}$$?
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
14 hours ago












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yes. definitely
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago




$begingroup$
yes. definitely
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago












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$x$ is natural number ?
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– dmtri
14 hours ago




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$x$ is natural number ?
$endgroup$
– dmtri
14 hours ago












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real number maybe.
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago




$begingroup$
real number maybe.
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– S. Yoo
14 hours ago












$begingroup$
@dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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– Yanko
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$begingroup$
@dmtri well $xrightarrowinfty$...
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It's simple.



Apply Stirling approximation to the factorial:



$$x! approx sqrt{2pi x} x^x e^{-x}$$



And substitute it into your limit. You simplify a bit and arranging you get



$$lim_{xto +infty} frac{k^x}{e^x}sqrt{2pi x}$$



Actually the $sqrt{2pi x}$ is quite irrelevant. What you notice is the previous term, which you can also write as



$$lim_{xto +infty} left(frac{k}{e}right)^x$$



It's rather obvious now, that if $k/e < 1$ the limit converges, and if $k/e >1$ it does diverge. Whence your claim.



Nota: The square root term is irrelevant for if $k/e > 1$ it does diverge no matter the root. if $k/e < 1$ it does converge also in virtue of the l'Hôpital rule, and the root becomes irrelevant.



Nota2: Stirling Approximation works well if indeed $x$ goes to the infinity. Actually it works quite well even for small values of $x$. Hence your safe.






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    Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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    @Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
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    Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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Hint (without Stirling). Consider the sequence $a_n=frac{n!k^n}{n^n}$ and find the limit
$$lim_{nto+infty}frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=lim_{nto+infty}frac{(n+1)!k^{n+1}}{(n+1)^{n+1}}cdot frac{n^n}{n!k^n}=kcdot lim_{nto+infty}frac{1}{(1+1/n)^n}$$
then use the ratio test for sequences (see Proof attempt to the ratio test for sequences).






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Very similar to Von Neumann's answer.



$$y=frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}implies log(y)=x log(k)+log(x!)-xlog(x)$$ Using Stirling, we have
$$log(y)=x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)+frac{1}{12
x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$
$$log(y)sim x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)$$
which makes
$$y sim sqrt{2 pi x }, e^{x (log (k)-1)}=sqrt{2 pi x },e^{xlog(frac k e)}$$






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    It's simple.



    Apply Stirling approximation to the factorial:



    $$x! approx sqrt{2pi x} x^x e^{-x}$$



    And substitute it into your limit. You simplify a bit and arranging you get



    $$lim_{xto +infty} frac{k^x}{e^x}sqrt{2pi x}$$



    Actually the $sqrt{2pi x}$ is quite irrelevant. What you notice is the previous term, which you can also write as



    $$lim_{xto +infty} left(frac{k}{e}right)^x$$



    It's rather obvious now, that if $k/e < 1$ the limit converges, and if $k/e >1$ it does diverge. Whence your claim.



    Nota: The square root term is irrelevant for if $k/e > 1$ it does diverge no matter the root. if $k/e < 1$ it does converge also in virtue of the l'Hôpital rule, and the root becomes irrelevant.



    Nota2: Stirling Approximation works well if indeed $x$ goes to the infinity. Actually it works quite well even for small values of $x$. Hence your safe.






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      Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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      @Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
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      Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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    It's simple.



    Apply Stirling approximation to the factorial:



    $$x! approx sqrt{2pi x} x^x e^{-x}$$



    And substitute it into your limit. You simplify a bit and arranging you get



    $$lim_{xto +infty} frac{k^x}{e^x}sqrt{2pi x}$$



    Actually the $sqrt{2pi x}$ is quite irrelevant. What you notice is the previous term, which you can also write as



    $$lim_{xto +infty} left(frac{k}{e}right)^x$$



    It's rather obvious now, that if $k/e < 1$ the limit converges, and if $k/e >1$ it does diverge. Whence your claim.



    Nota: The square root term is irrelevant for if $k/e > 1$ it does diverge no matter the root. if $k/e < 1$ it does converge also in virtue of the l'Hôpital rule, and the root becomes irrelevant.



    Nota2: Stirling Approximation works well if indeed $x$ goes to the infinity. Actually it works quite well even for small values of $x$. Hence your safe.






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      Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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      – Yanko
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      @Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
      $endgroup$
      – Von Neumann
      14 hours ago










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      Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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      – S. Yoo
      14 hours ago














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    It's simple.



    Apply Stirling approximation to the factorial:



    $$x! approx sqrt{2pi x} x^x e^{-x}$$



    And substitute it into your limit. You simplify a bit and arranging you get



    $$lim_{xto +infty} frac{k^x}{e^x}sqrt{2pi x}$$



    Actually the $sqrt{2pi x}$ is quite irrelevant. What you notice is the previous term, which you can also write as



    $$lim_{xto +infty} left(frac{k}{e}right)^x$$



    It's rather obvious now, that if $k/e < 1$ the limit converges, and if $k/e >1$ it does diverge. Whence your claim.



    Nota: The square root term is irrelevant for if $k/e > 1$ it does diverge no matter the root. if $k/e < 1$ it does converge also in virtue of the l'Hôpital rule, and the root becomes irrelevant.



    Nota2: Stirling Approximation works well if indeed $x$ goes to the infinity. Actually it works quite well even for small values of $x$. Hence your safe.






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    It's simple.



    Apply Stirling approximation to the factorial:



    $$x! approx sqrt{2pi x} x^x e^{-x}$$



    And substitute it into your limit. You simplify a bit and arranging you get



    $$lim_{xto +infty} frac{k^x}{e^x}sqrt{2pi x}$$



    Actually the $sqrt{2pi x}$ is quite irrelevant. What you notice is the previous term, which you can also write as



    $$lim_{xto +infty} left(frac{k}{e}right)^x$$



    It's rather obvious now, that if $k/e < 1$ the limit converges, and if $k/e >1$ it does diverge. Whence your claim.



    Nota: The square root term is irrelevant for if $k/e > 1$ it does diverge no matter the root. if $k/e < 1$ it does converge also in virtue of the l'Hôpital rule, and the root becomes irrelevant.



    Nota2: Stirling Approximation works well if indeed $x$ goes to the infinity. Actually it works quite well even for small values of $x$. Hence your safe.







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      Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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      – Yanko
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      @Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
      $endgroup$
      – Von Neumann
      14 hours ago










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      Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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      – S. Yoo
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      Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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      – Yanko
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      @Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
      $endgroup$
      – Von Neumann
      14 hours ago










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      Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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      – S. Yoo
      14 hours ago








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    Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
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    – Yanko
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    Nice answer. One small thing, you can take a weak inequality here: $k/e leq 1$ the limit converges.
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    14 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    @Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
    $endgroup$
    – Von Neumann
    14 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    @Yanko Ahh you're right indeed! I'll leave this as a comment. Your credit!
    $endgroup$
    – Von Neumann
    14 hours ago












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    Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
    $endgroup$
    – S. Yoo
    14 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Thanks! I'm going to learn about Stirling approximation!
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    – S. Yoo
    14 hours ago











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    Hint (without Stirling). Consider the sequence $a_n=frac{n!k^n}{n^n}$ and find the limit
    $$lim_{nto+infty}frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=lim_{nto+infty}frac{(n+1)!k^{n+1}}{(n+1)^{n+1}}cdot frac{n^n}{n!k^n}=kcdot lim_{nto+infty}frac{1}{(1+1/n)^n}$$
    then use the ratio test for sequences (see Proof attempt to the ratio test for sequences).






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    Hint (without Stirling). Consider the sequence $a_n=frac{n!k^n}{n^n}$ and find the limit
    $$lim_{nto+infty}frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=lim_{nto+infty}frac{(n+1)!k^{n+1}}{(n+1)^{n+1}}cdot frac{n^n}{n!k^n}=kcdot lim_{nto+infty}frac{1}{(1+1/n)^n}$$
    then use the ratio test for sequences (see Proof attempt to the ratio test for sequences).






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      thanks! I understood
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    Hint (without Stirling). Consider the sequence $a_n=frac{n!k^n}{n^n}$ and find the limit
    $$lim_{nto+infty}frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=lim_{nto+infty}frac{(n+1)!k^{n+1}}{(n+1)^{n+1}}cdot frac{n^n}{n!k^n}=kcdot lim_{nto+infty}frac{1}{(1+1/n)^n}$$
    then use the ratio test for sequences (see Proof attempt to the ratio test for sequences).






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    Hint (without Stirling). Consider the sequence $a_n=frac{n!k^n}{n^n}$ and find the limit
    $$lim_{nto+infty}frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=lim_{nto+infty}frac{(n+1)!k^{n+1}}{(n+1)^{n+1}}cdot frac{n^n}{n!k^n}=kcdot lim_{nto+infty}frac{1}{(1+1/n)^n}$$
    then use the ratio test for sequences (see Proof attempt to the ratio test for sequences).







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    thanks! I understood
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    Very similar to Von Neumann's answer.



    $$y=frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}implies log(y)=x log(k)+log(x!)-xlog(x)$$ Using Stirling, we have
    $$log(y)=x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
    left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)+frac{1}{12
    x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$
    $$log(y)sim x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
    left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)$$
    which makes
    $$y sim sqrt{2 pi x }, e^{x (log (k)-1)}=sqrt{2 pi x },e^{xlog(frac k e)}$$






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      Very similar to Von Neumann's answer.



      $$y=frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}implies log(y)=x log(k)+log(x!)-xlog(x)$$ Using Stirling, we have
      $$log(y)=x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
      left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)+frac{1}{12
      x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$
      $$log(y)sim x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
      left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)$$
      which makes
      $$y sim sqrt{2 pi x }, e^{x (log (k)-1)}=sqrt{2 pi x },e^{xlog(frac k e)}$$






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        Very similar to Von Neumann's answer.



        $$y=frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}implies log(y)=x log(k)+log(x!)-xlog(x)$$ Using Stirling, we have
        $$log(y)=x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
        left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)+frac{1}{12
        x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$
        $$log(y)sim x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
        left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)$$
        which makes
        $$y sim sqrt{2 pi x }, e^{x (log (k)-1)}=sqrt{2 pi x },e^{xlog(frac k e)}$$






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        Very similar to Von Neumann's answer.



        $$y=frac{k^{x}x!}{x^x}implies log(y)=x log(k)+log(x!)-xlog(x)$$ Using Stirling, we have
        $$log(y)=x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
        left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)+frac{1}{12
        x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$
        $$log(y)sim x left(log (k)-1right)+frac{1}{2}
        left(log (2 pi )+log left({x}right)right)$$
        which makes
        $$y sim sqrt{2 pi x }, e^{x (log (k)-1)}=sqrt{2 pi x },e^{xlog(frac k e)}$$







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