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I have been experimenting with Ethereum and I achieved good results with Whisper in a private network. The main problem though is that it is pretty slow even when nodes are running in the same computer because messages take between 300-800ms to be received. What are some faster alternatives? My requirements are to be able to send small JSON messages as fast as possible.










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    I have been experimenting with Ethereum and I achieved good results with Whisper in a private network. The main problem though is that it is pretty slow even when nodes are running in the same computer because messages take between 300-800ms to be received. What are some faster alternatives? My requirements are to be able to send small JSON messages as fast as possible.










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      I have been experimenting with Ethereum and I achieved good results with Whisper in a private network. The main problem though is that it is pretty slow even when nodes are running in the same computer because messages take between 300-800ms to be received. What are some faster alternatives? My requirements are to be able to send small JSON messages as fast as possible.










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      I have been experimenting with Ethereum and I achieved good results with Whisper in a private network. The main problem though is that it is pretty slow even when nodes are running in the same computer because messages take between 300-800ms to be received. What are some faster alternatives? My requirements are to be able to send small JSON messages as fast as possible.







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          Whisper



          First of all, Whisper is kind of a database to spread announcements to the Ethereum network - or more precisely, to all geth nodes who have enabled Whisper. By default, Whisper is hidden behind a flag.



          Whisper can be used to send messages. Sending messages will have the following properties:




          • Receiver anonymity: no one knows who the actual receiver is


          • No sender anonymity: a global passive adversary (e. g. your network service provider) can see the origin of the message


          • Uncertainty whether a message reached its destination. You can increase the probability by using a higher TTL value but this comes with the drawback that you need to equip the message with a significantly more difficult proof of work.


          The problem of Whisper is that each message is flooded through the network until its TTL is reached - even if it has reached the desired destination. And to prevent people from spamming the the network, Whisper nodes only accept messages with a certain proof-of-work which is closely related to the TTL value.



          In private networks, this is not a problem. But the bigger the network becomes, the worse it gets.



          Anonymous / Privacy preserving communication



          There's the anonymity trilemma which states that you can achieve only two out of the following properties:




          • Strong anonymity

          • Low latency

          • High throughput


          So when, you want to send "messages as fast as possible" you need to live without strong anonymity.



          Alternatives



          At the moment, there something like a Whisper 2.0 for point-to-point messaging under development. The project is called hopr. Its goal is to have:




          • provable anonymity / privacy preserving communication as it uses the SPHINX packet format

          • incentivations for the parties / nodes that relay messages

          • adaptable anonymity - the user can choose to some extend the degree of privacy / anonymity by sacrificing


            • latency or

            • low relay fees or

            • privacy guarantees




          A working group has been formed, including Status.im, Validity Labs and Web3 Foundation.






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            PSS (Postal Service over Swarm) has no benchmarks, but it sends a message only to a registered node, so I assume it to be faster.



            Disclaimer: I work with the Swarm team.






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            Whisper



            First of all, Whisper is kind of a database to spread announcements to the Ethereum network - or more precisely, to all geth nodes who have enabled Whisper. By default, Whisper is hidden behind a flag.



            Whisper can be used to send messages. Sending messages will have the following properties:




            • Receiver anonymity: no one knows who the actual receiver is


            • No sender anonymity: a global passive adversary (e. g. your network service provider) can see the origin of the message


            • Uncertainty whether a message reached its destination. You can increase the probability by using a higher TTL value but this comes with the drawback that you need to equip the message with a significantly more difficult proof of work.


            The problem of Whisper is that each message is flooded through the network until its TTL is reached - even if it has reached the desired destination. And to prevent people from spamming the the network, Whisper nodes only accept messages with a certain proof-of-work which is closely related to the TTL value.



            In private networks, this is not a problem. But the bigger the network becomes, the worse it gets.



            Anonymous / Privacy preserving communication



            There's the anonymity trilemma which states that you can achieve only two out of the following properties:




            • Strong anonymity

            • Low latency

            • High throughput


            So when, you want to send "messages as fast as possible" you need to live without strong anonymity.



            Alternatives



            At the moment, there something like a Whisper 2.0 for point-to-point messaging under development. The project is called hopr. Its goal is to have:




            • provable anonymity / privacy preserving communication as it uses the SPHINX packet format

            • incentivations for the parties / nodes that relay messages

            • adaptable anonymity - the user can choose to some extend the degree of privacy / anonymity by sacrificing


              • latency or

              • low relay fees or

              • privacy guarantees




            A working group has been formed, including Status.im, Validity Labs and Web3 Foundation.






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              Whisper



              First of all, Whisper is kind of a database to spread announcements to the Ethereum network - or more precisely, to all geth nodes who have enabled Whisper. By default, Whisper is hidden behind a flag.



              Whisper can be used to send messages. Sending messages will have the following properties:




              • Receiver anonymity: no one knows who the actual receiver is


              • No sender anonymity: a global passive adversary (e. g. your network service provider) can see the origin of the message


              • Uncertainty whether a message reached its destination. You can increase the probability by using a higher TTL value but this comes with the drawback that you need to equip the message with a significantly more difficult proof of work.


              The problem of Whisper is that each message is flooded through the network until its TTL is reached - even if it has reached the desired destination. And to prevent people from spamming the the network, Whisper nodes only accept messages with a certain proof-of-work which is closely related to the TTL value.



              In private networks, this is not a problem. But the bigger the network becomes, the worse it gets.



              Anonymous / Privacy preserving communication



              There's the anonymity trilemma which states that you can achieve only two out of the following properties:




              • Strong anonymity

              • Low latency

              • High throughput


              So when, you want to send "messages as fast as possible" you need to live without strong anonymity.



              Alternatives



              At the moment, there something like a Whisper 2.0 for point-to-point messaging under development. The project is called hopr. Its goal is to have:




              • provable anonymity / privacy preserving communication as it uses the SPHINX packet format

              • incentivations for the parties / nodes that relay messages

              • adaptable anonymity - the user can choose to some extend the degree of privacy / anonymity by sacrificing


                • latency or

                • low relay fees or

                • privacy guarantees




              A working group has been formed, including Status.im, Validity Labs and Web3 Foundation.






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                Whisper



                First of all, Whisper is kind of a database to spread announcements to the Ethereum network - or more precisely, to all geth nodes who have enabled Whisper. By default, Whisper is hidden behind a flag.



                Whisper can be used to send messages. Sending messages will have the following properties:




                • Receiver anonymity: no one knows who the actual receiver is


                • No sender anonymity: a global passive adversary (e. g. your network service provider) can see the origin of the message


                • Uncertainty whether a message reached its destination. You can increase the probability by using a higher TTL value but this comes with the drawback that you need to equip the message with a significantly more difficult proof of work.


                The problem of Whisper is that each message is flooded through the network until its TTL is reached - even if it has reached the desired destination. And to prevent people from spamming the the network, Whisper nodes only accept messages with a certain proof-of-work which is closely related to the TTL value.



                In private networks, this is not a problem. But the bigger the network becomes, the worse it gets.



                Anonymous / Privacy preserving communication



                There's the anonymity trilemma which states that you can achieve only two out of the following properties:




                • Strong anonymity

                • Low latency

                • High throughput


                So when, you want to send "messages as fast as possible" you need to live without strong anonymity.



                Alternatives



                At the moment, there something like a Whisper 2.0 for point-to-point messaging under development. The project is called hopr. Its goal is to have:




                • provable anonymity / privacy preserving communication as it uses the SPHINX packet format

                • incentivations for the parties / nodes that relay messages

                • adaptable anonymity - the user can choose to some extend the degree of privacy / anonymity by sacrificing


                  • latency or

                  • low relay fees or

                  • privacy guarantees




                A working group has been formed, including Status.im, Validity Labs and Web3 Foundation.






                share|improve this answer















                Whisper



                First of all, Whisper is kind of a database to spread announcements to the Ethereum network - or more precisely, to all geth nodes who have enabled Whisper. By default, Whisper is hidden behind a flag.



                Whisper can be used to send messages. Sending messages will have the following properties:




                • Receiver anonymity: no one knows who the actual receiver is


                • No sender anonymity: a global passive adversary (e. g. your network service provider) can see the origin of the message


                • Uncertainty whether a message reached its destination. You can increase the probability by using a higher TTL value but this comes with the drawback that you need to equip the message with a significantly more difficult proof of work.


                The problem of Whisper is that each message is flooded through the network until its TTL is reached - even if it has reached the desired destination. And to prevent people from spamming the the network, Whisper nodes only accept messages with a certain proof-of-work which is closely related to the TTL value.



                In private networks, this is not a problem. But the bigger the network becomes, the worse it gets.



                Anonymous / Privacy preserving communication



                There's the anonymity trilemma which states that you can achieve only two out of the following properties:




                • Strong anonymity

                • Low latency

                • High throughput


                So when, you want to send "messages as fast as possible" you need to live without strong anonymity.



                Alternatives



                At the moment, there something like a Whisper 2.0 for point-to-point messaging under development. The project is called hopr. Its goal is to have:




                • provable anonymity / privacy preserving communication as it uses the SPHINX packet format

                • incentivations for the parties / nodes that relay messages

                • adaptable anonymity - the user can choose to some extend the degree of privacy / anonymity by sacrificing


                  • latency or

                  • low relay fees or

                  • privacy guarantees




                A working group has been formed, including Status.im, Validity Labs and Web3 Foundation.







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                    PSS (Postal Service over Swarm) has no benchmarks, but it sends a message only to a registered node, so I assume it to be faster.



                    Disclaimer: I work with the Swarm team.






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                    PSS (Postal Service over Swarm) has no benchmarks, but it sends a message only to a registered node, so I assume it to be faster.



                    Disclaimer: I work with the Swarm team.






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                    • Not at the moment. We're working on introducing an incentivisation model.

                      – Adam Schmideg
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                    PSS (Postal Service over Swarm) has no benchmarks, but it sends a message only to a registered node, so I assume it to be faster.



                    Disclaimer: I work with the Swarm team.






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                    PSS (Postal Service over Swarm) has no benchmarks, but it sends a message only to a registered node, so I assume it to be faster.



                    Disclaimer: I work with the Swarm team.







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                    • That's interesting. Is there any fee to use PSS?

                      – David
                      11 hours ago











                    • Not at the moment. We're working on introducing an incentivisation model.

                      – Adam Schmideg
                      11 hours ago



















                    • That's interesting. Is there any fee to use PSS?

                      – David
                      11 hours ago











                    • Not at the moment. We're working on introducing an incentivisation model.

                      – Adam Schmideg
                      11 hours ago

















                    That's interesting. Is there any fee to use PSS?

                    – David
                    11 hours ago





                    That's interesting. Is there any fee to use PSS?

                    – David
                    11 hours ago













                    Not at the moment. We're working on introducing an incentivisation model.

                    – Adam Schmideg
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                    Not at the moment. We're working on introducing an incentivisation model.

                    – Adam Schmideg
                    11 hours ago


















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