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    This is NOT a duplicate of that question. That one is a "why?" question, and this one is a "is it possible?" question.

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    This is NOT a duplicate of that question. That one is a "why?" question, and this one is a "is it possible?" question.

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    This is NOT a duplicate of that question. That one is a "why?" question, and this one is a "is it possible?" question.

    – JBentley
    13 hours ago














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    This is NOT a duplicate of that question. That one is a "why?" question, and this one is a "is it possible?" question.

    – JBentley
    13 hours ago








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This is NOT a duplicate of that question. That one is a "why?" question, and this one is a "is it possible?" question.

– JBentley
13 hours ago





This is NOT a duplicate of that question. That one is a "why?" question, and this one is a "is it possible?" question.

– JBentley
13 hours ago










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No. The United Kingdom can hold as many referendums on this subject as it likes, as often as it likes. Obviously there are technicalities and bureaucratic measures that have to be accounted for, and some logistical concerns, but there are no legal restrictions to holding the same referendum after the same referendum again and again.






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    The main impediments to having a referendum at present are the lack of time before the Brexit deadline, and the determination of the Prime Minister not to have one.

    – John Dallman
    16 hours ago











  • +1 for addressing the actual question (the legality). I would suggest providing some explanation of the legal process (e.g. Parliamentary sovereignty, all that is required is an Act of parliament, etc.), but on the other hand this is not law.stackexchange, where the question really ought to have been posted.

    – JBentley
    14 hours ago











  • @JohnDallman Another problem is that the country is not facing precisely two options. They could try to stay in the UK, they could accept the deal on the table, they could try to keep negotiating a better deal, they could exit with no deal. It's not clear how to handle such a case with a referendum.

    – David Schwartz
    4 hours ago











  • @DavidSchwartz When you want to choose between multiple options with some of them being similar, then ranked choice voting is a possible option.

    – Philipp
    3 hours ago





















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The main issue with taking another referendum is not so much that they cannot, but rather that it opens the door to being accused of trying again until you get the outcome you want.



Anyone who is loudly in favor of a new referendum can similarly be accused of not wanting to enact the will of the people (i.e. the outcome of the first referendum). You only need a minority of "leave" voters who get offended enough to cause a significant uproar over your so-called undemocratic behavior.



If you ask the people for input, they give you an answer, and then you don't want to follow their answer, what is the point of asking them again? Either you're going to get the same answer (which means the second referendum was pointless), or you're going to get the answer you wanted so you can do the thing (remain in the EU) that you think is better (which means referendums are pointless if you're going to do what you want anyway, instead of listening to the people).

In either case, the second referendum always leads to a situation that suggests that the second referendum is pointless.



In short, the UK currently finds itself in a position where they're headed in a direction that (a significant subset of) people do not want to go, but everyone's apprehensive of changing direction because they don't want the backlash that comes with being the one who proposed changing direction.






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    If you ask the people again, and they give a different answer, that means they have changed their mind. If you do what they requested the second time, you are enacting the will of the people. I agree that people can be accused of not doing so (and probably would be), but it is factually incorrect to suggest that this is true. Democracy isn't frozen in time, it is an ongoing process. Counter example: general elections are held every 5 years, specifically in acknowledgement of the fact that the electorate can change it's mind.

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    @JBentley: I agree with your comment but the reality is that public perception and being open to rhetoric are actual drawbacks. Just because something is logical does not mean that this is easily proven to (a reasonable majority of) people.

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    @JBentley The reality was (and is) that the question in the first referendum was not one where one can "change ones mind" at will. But of course in a two-party system, the opposition will, almost by definition, oppose any government action - even though many Labour MPs were elected by constituencies which voted "leave".

    – alephzero
    13 hours ago






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    @JBentley A general election is not a referendum. Everyone knows that the results of an election can be overturned at the next election. There is no legal process for having regularly repeated elections (or referendums) to decide whether to leave or remain in the EU for the next 5 years, or some other fixed term.

    – alephzero
    13 hours ago






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    @alephzero Why was the referendum not something you can change your mind on? During the last two years, if became quite obvious that everything was based on lies and misconceptions. And that the implementation will leave much to be desired. Of course, one should never have started a referendum, if the could be so disastrous. For this special case, it could be argued that the conditions changed and a new referendum is acceptable, now that we all know better.

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    13 hours ago











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No. The United Kingdom can hold as many referendums on this subject as it likes, as often as it likes. Obviously there are technicalities and bureaucratic measures that have to be accounted for, and some logistical concerns, but there are no legal restrictions to holding the same referendum after the same referendum again and again.






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    The main impediments to having a referendum at present are the lack of time before the Brexit deadline, and the determination of the Prime Minister not to have one.

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  • +1 for addressing the actual question (the legality). I would suggest providing some explanation of the legal process (e.g. Parliamentary sovereignty, all that is required is an Act of parliament, etc.), but on the other hand this is not law.stackexchange, where the question really ought to have been posted.

    – JBentley
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  • @JohnDallman Another problem is that the country is not facing precisely two options. They could try to stay in the UK, they could accept the deal on the table, they could try to keep negotiating a better deal, they could exit with no deal. It's not clear how to handle such a case with a referendum.

    – David Schwartz
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  • @DavidSchwartz When you want to choose between multiple options with some of them being similar, then ranked choice voting is a possible option.

    – Philipp
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No. The United Kingdom can hold as many referendums on this subject as it likes, as often as it likes. Obviously there are technicalities and bureaucratic measures that have to be accounted for, and some logistical concerns, but there are no legal restrictions to holding the same referendum after the same referendum again and again.






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    The main impediments to having a referendum at present are the lack of time before the Brexit deadline, and the determination of the Prime Minister not to have one.

    – John Dallman
    16 hours ago











  • +1 for addressing the actual question (the legality). I would suggest providing some explanation of the legal process (e.g. Parliamentary sovereignty, all that is required is an Act of parliament, etc.), but on the other hand this is not law.stackexchange, where the question really ought to have been posted.

    – JBentley
    14 hours ago











  • @JohnDallman Another problem is that the country is not facing precisely two options. They could try to stay in the UK, they could accept the deal on the table, they could try to keep negotiating a better deal, they could exit with no deal. It's not clear how to handle such a case with a referendum.

    – David Schwartz
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  • @DavidSchwartz When you want to choose between multiple options with some of them being similar, then ranked choice voting is a possible option.

    – Philipp
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No. The United Kingdom can hold as many referendums on this subject as it likes, as often as it likes. Obviously there are technicalities and bureaucratic measures that have to be accounted for, and some logistical concerns, but there are no legal restrictions to holding the same referendum after the same referendum again and again.






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No. The United Kingdom can hold as many referendums on this subject as it likes, as often as it likes. Obviously there are technicalities and bureaucratic measures that have to be accounted for, and some logistical concerns, but there are no legal restrictions to holding the same referendum after the same referendum again and again.







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    The main impediments to having a referendum at present are the lack of time before the Brexit deadline, and the determination of the Prime Minister not to have one.

    – John Dallman
    16 hours ago











  • +1 for addressing the actual question (the legality). I would suggest providing some explanation of the legal process (e.g. Parliamentary sovereignty, all that is required is an Act of parliament, etc.), but on the other hand this is not law.stackexchange, where the question really ought to have been posted.

    – JBentley
    14 hours ago











  • @JohnDallman Another problem is that the country is not facing precisely two options. They could try to stay in the UK, they could accept the deal on the table, they could try to keep negotiating a better deal, they could exit with no deal. It's not clear how to handle such a case with a referendum.

    – David Schwartz
    4 hours ago











  • @DavidSchwartz When you want to choose between multiple options with some of them being similar, then ranked choice voting is a possible option.

    – Philipp
    3 hours ago
















  • 2





    The main impediments to having a referendum at present are the lack of time before the Brexit deadline, and the determination of the Prime Minister not to have one.

    – John Dallman
    16 hours ago











  • +1 for addressing the actual question (the legality). I would suggest providing some explanation of the legal process (e.g. Parliamentary sovereignty, all that is required is an Act of parliament, etc.), but on the other hand this is not law.stackexchange, where the question really ought to have been posted.

    – JBentley
    14 hours ago











  • @JohnDallman Another problem is that the country is not facing precisely two options. They could try to stay in the UK, they could accept the deal on the table, they could try to keep negotiating a better deal, they could exit with no deal. It's not clear how to handle such a case with a referendum.

    – David Schwartz
    4 hours ago











  • @DavidSchwartz When you want to choose between multiple options with some of them being similar, then ranked choice voting is a possible option.

    – Philipp
    3 hours ago










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The main impediments to having a referendum at present are the lack of time before the Brexit deadline, and the determination of the Prime Minister not to have one.

– John Dallman
16 hours ago





The main impediments to having a referendum at present are the lack of time before the Brexit deadline, and the determination of the Prime Minister not to have one.

– John Dallman
16 hours ago













+1 for addressing the actual question (the legality). I would suggest providing some explanation of the legal process (e.g. Parliamentary sovereignty, all that is required is an Act of parliament, etc.), but on the other hand this is not law.stackexchange, where the question really ought to have been posted.

– JBentley
14 hours ago





+1 for addressing the actual question (the legality). I would suggest providing some explanation of the legal process (e.g. Parliamentary sovereignty, all that is required is an Act of parliament, etc.), but on the other hand this is not law.stackexchange, where the question really ought to have been posted.

– JBentley
14 hours ago













@JohnDallman Another problem is that the country is not facing precisely two options. They could try to stay in the UK, they could accept the deal on the table, they could try to keep negotiating a better deal, they could exit with no deal. It's not clear how to handle such a case with a referendum.

– David Schwartz
4 hours ago





@JohnDallman Another problem is that the country is not facing precisely two options. They could try to stay in the UK, they could accept the deal on the table, they could try to keep negotiating a better deal, they could exit with no deal. It's not clear how to handle such a case with a referendum.

– David Schwartz
4 hours ago













@DavidSchwartz When you want to choose between multiple options with some of them being similar, then ranked choice voting is a possible option.

– Philipp
3 hours ago







@DavidSchwartz When you want to choose between multiple options with some of them being similar, then ranked choice voting is a possible option.

– Philipp
3 hours ago













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The main issue with taking another referendum is not so much that they cannot, but rather that it opens the door to being accused of trying again until you get the outcome you want.



Anyone who is loudly in favor of a new referendum can similarly be accused of not wanting to enact the will of the people (i.e. the outcome of the first referendum). You only need a minority of "leave" voters who get offended enough to cause a significant uproar over your so-called undemocratic behavior.



If you ask the people for input, they give you an answer, and then you don't want to follow their answer, what is the point of asking them again? Either you're going to get the same answer (which means the second referendum was pointless), or you're going to get the answer you wanted so you can do the thing (remain in the EU) that you think is better (which means referendums are pointless if you're going to do what you want anyway, instead of listening to the people).

In either case, the second referendum always leads to a situation that suggests that the second referendum is pointless.



In short, the UK currently finds itself in a position where they're headed in a direction that (a significant subset of) people do not want to go, but everyone's apprehensive of changing direction because they don't want the backlash that comes with being the one who proposed changing direction.






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    If you ask the people again, and they give a different answer, that means they have changed their mind. If you do what they requested the second time, you are enacting the will of the people. I agree that people can be accused of not doing so (and probably would be), but it is factually incorrect to suggest that this is true. Democracy isn't frozen in time, it is an ongoing process. Counter example: general elections are held every 5 years, specifically in acknowledgement of the fact that the electorate can change it's mind.

    – JBentley
    14 hours ago








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    @JBentley: I agree with your comment but the reality is that public perception and being open to rhetoric are actual drawbacks. Just because something is logical does not mean that this is easily proven to (a reasonable majority of) people.

    – Flater
    14 hours ago






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    @JBentley The reality was (and is) that the question in the first referendum was not one where one can "change ones mind" at will. But of course in a two-party system, the opposition will, almost by definition, oppose any government action - even though many Labour MPs were elected by constituencies which voted "leave".

    – alephzero
    13 hours ago






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    @JBentley A general election is not a referendum. Everyone knows that the results of an election can be overturned at the next election. There is no legal process for having regularly repeated elections (or referendums) to decide whether to leave or remain in the EU for the next 5 years, or some other fixed term.

    – alephzero
    13 hours ago






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    @alephzero Why was the referendum not something you can change your mind on? During the last two years, if became quite obvious that everything was based on lies and misconceptions. And that the implementation will leave much to be desired. Of course, one should never have started a referendum, if the could be so disastrous. For this special case, it could be argued that the conditions changed and a new referendum is acceptable, now that we all know better.

    – Chieron
    13 hours ago
















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The main issue with taking another referendum is not so much that they cannot, but rather that it opens the door to being accused of trying again until you get the outcome you want.



Anyone who is loudly in favor of a new referendum can similarly be accused of not wanting to enact the will of the people (i.e. the outcome of the first referendum). You only need a minority of "leave" voters who get offended enough to cause a significant uproar over your so-called undemocratic behavior.



If you ask the people for input, they give you an answer, and then you don't want to follow their answer, what is the point of asking them again? Either you're going to get the same answer (which means the second referendum was pointless), or you're going to get the answer you wanted so you can do the thing (remain in the EU) that you think is better (which means referendums are pointless if you're going to do what you want anyway, instead of listening to the people).

In either case, the second referendum always leads to a situation that suggests that the second referendum is pointless.



In short, the UK currently finds itself in a position where they're headed in a direction that (a significant subset of) people do not want to go, but everyone's apprehensive of changing direction because they don't want the backlash that comes with being the one who proposed changing direction.






share|improve this answer





















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    If you ask the people again, and they give a different answer, that means they have changed their mind. If you do what they requested the second time, you are enacting the will of the people. I agree that people can be accused of not doing so (and probably would be), but it is factually incorrect to suggest that this is true. Democracy isn't frozen in time, it is an ongoing process. Counter example: general elections are held every 5 years, specifically in acknowledgement of the fact that the electorate can change it's mind.

    – JBentley
    14 hours ago








  • 3





    @JBentley: I agree with your comment but the reality is that public perception and being open to rhetoric are actual drawbacks. Just because something is logical does not mean that this is easily proven to (a reasonable majority of) people.

    – Flater
    14 hours ago






  • 2





    @JBentley The reality was (and is) that the question in the first referendum was not one where one can "change ones mind" at will. But of course in a two-party system, the opposition will, almost by definition, oppose any government action - even though many Labour MPs were elected by constituencies which voted "leave".

    – alephzero
    13 hours ago






  • 2





    @JBentley A general election is not a referendum. Everyone knows that the results of an election can be overturned at the next election. There is no legal process for having regularly repeated elections (or referendums) to decide whether to leave or remain in the EU for the next 5 years, or some other fixed term.

    – alephzero
    13 hours ago






  • 6





    @alephzero Why was the referendum not something you can change your mind on? During the last two years, if became quite obvious that everything was based on lies and misconceptions. And that the implementation will leave much to be desired. Of course, one should never have started a referendum, if the could be so disastrous. For this special case, it could be argued that the conditions changed and a new referendum is acceptable, now that we all know better.

    – Chieron
    13 hours ago














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The main issue with taking another referendum is not so much that they cannot, but rather that it opens the door to being accused of trying again until you get the outcome you want.



Anyone who is loudly in favor of a new referendum can similarly be accused of not wanting to enact the will of the people (i.e. the outcome of the first referendum). You only need a minority of "leave" voters who get offended enough to cause a significant uproar over your so-called undemocratic behavior.



If you ask the people for input, they give you an answer, and then you don't want to follow their answer, what is the point of asking them again? Either you're going to get the same answer (which means the second referendum was pointless), or you're going to get the answer you wanted so you can do the thing (remain in the EU) that you think is better (which means referendums are pointless if you're going to do what you want anyway, instead of listening to the people).

In either case, the second referendum always leads to a situation that suggests that the second referendum is pointless.



In short, the UK currently finds itself in a position where they're headed in a direction that (a significant subset of) people do not want to go, but everyone's apprehensive of changing direction because they don't want the backlash that comes with being the one who proposed changing direction.






share|improve this answer















The main issue with taking another referendum is not so much that they cannot, but rather that it opens the door to being accused of trying again until you get the outcome you want.



Anyone who is loudly in favor of a new referendum can similarly be accused of not wanting to enact the will of the people (i.e. the outcome of the first referendum). You only need a minority of "leave" voters who get offended enough to cause a significant uproar over your so-called undemocratic behavior.



If you ask the people for input, they give you an answer, and then you don't want to follow their answer, what is the point of asking them again? Either you're going to get the same answer (which means the second referendum was pointless), or you're going to get the answer you wanted so you can do the thing (remain in the EU) that you think is better (which means referendums are pointless if you're going to do what you want anyway, instead of listening to the people).

In either case, the second referendum always leads to a situation that suggests that the second referendum is pointless.



In short, the UK currently finds itself in a position where they're headed in a direction that (a significant subset of) people do not want to go, but everyone's apprehensive of changing direction because they don't want the backlash that comes with being the one who proposed changing direction.







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    If you ask the people again, and they give a different answer, that means they have changed their mind. If you do what they requested the second time, you are enacting the will of the people. I agree that people can be accused of not doing so (and probably would be), but it is factually incorrect to suggest that this is true. Democracy isn't frozen in time, it is an ongoing process. Counter example: general elections are held every 5 years, specifically in acknowledgement of the fact that the electorate can change it's mind.

    – JBentley
    14 hours ago








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    @JBentley: I agree with your comment but the reality is that public perception and being open to rhetoric are actual drawbacks. Just because something is logical does not mean that this is easily proven to (a reasonable majority of) people.

    – Flater
    14 hours ago






  • 2





    @JBentley The reality was (and is) that the question in the first referendum was not one where one can "change ones mind" at will. But of course in a two-party system, the opposition will, almost by definition, oppose any government action - even though many Labour MPs were elected by constituencies which voted "leave".

    – alephzero
    13 hours ago






  • 2





    @JBentley A general election is not a referendum. Everyone knows that the results of an election can be overturned at the next election. There is no legal process for having regularly repeated elections (or referendums) to decide whether to leave or remain in the EU for the next 5 years, or some other fixed term.

    – alephzero
    13 hours ago






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    @alephzero Why was the referendum not something you can change your mind on? During the last two years, if became quite obvious that everything was based on lies and misconceptions. And that the implementation will leave much to be desired. Of course, one should never have started a referendum, if the could be so disastrous. For this special case, it could be argued that the conditions changed and a new referendum is acceptable, now that we all know better.

    – Chieron
    13 hours ago














  • 19





    If you ask the people again, and they give a different answer, that means they have changed their mind. If you do what they requested the second time, you are enacting the will of the people. I agree that people can be accused of not doing so (and probably would be), but it is factually incorrect to suggest that this is true. Democracy isn't frozen in time, it is an ongoing process. Counter example: general elections are held every 5 years, specifically in acknowledgement of the fact that the electorate can change it's mind.

    – JBentley
    14 hours ago








  • 3





    @JBentley: I agree with your comment but the reality is that public perception and being open to rhetoric are actual drawbacks. Just because something is logical does not mean that this is easily proven to (a reasonable majority of) people.

    – Flater
    14 hours ago






  • 2





    @JBentley The reality was (and is) that the question in the first referendum was not one where one can "change ones mind" at will. But of course in a two-party system, the opposition will, almost by definition, oppose any government action - even though many Labour MPs were elected by constituencies which voted "leave".

    – alephzero
    13 hours ago






  • 2





    @JBentley A general election is not a referendum. Everyone knows that the results of an election can be overturned at the next election. There is no legal process for having regularly repeated elections (or referendums) to decide whether to leave or remain in the EU for the next 5 years, or some other fixed term.

    – alephzero
    13 hours ago






  • 6





    @alephzero Why was the referendum not something you can change your mind on? During the last two years, if became quite obvious that everything was based on lies and misconceptions. And that the implementation will leave much to be desired. Of course, one should never have started a referendum, if the could be so disastrous. For this special case, it could be argued that the conditions changed and a new referendum is acceptable, now that we all know better.

    – Chieron
    13 hours ago








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If you ask the people again, and they give a different answer, that means they have changed their mind. If you do what they requested the second time, you are enacting the will of the people. I agree that people can be accused of not doing so (and probably would be), but it is factually incorrect to suggest that this is true. Democracy isn't frozen in time, it is an ongoing process. Counter example: general elections are held every 5 years, specifically in acknowledgement of the fact that the electorate can change it's mind.

– JBentley
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If you ask the people again, and they give a different answer, that means they have changed their mind. If you do what they requested the second time, you are enacting the will of the people. I agree that people can be accused of not doing so (and probably would be), but it is factually incorrect to suggest that this is true. Democracy isn't frozen in time, it is an ongoing process. Counter example: general elections are held every 5 years, specifically in acknowledgement of the fact that the electorate can change it's mind.

– JBentley
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@JBentley: I agree with your comment but the reality is that public perception and being open to rhetoric are actual drawbacks. Just because something is logical does not mean that this is easily proven to (a reasonable majority of) people.

– Flater
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@JBentley: I agree with your comment but the reality is that public perception and being open to rhetoric are actual drawbacks. Just because something is logical does not mean that this is easily proven to (a reasonable majority of) people.

– Flater
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@JBentley The reality was (and is) that the question in the first referendum was not one where one can "change ones mind" at will. But of course in a two-party system, the opposition will, almost by definition, oppose any government action - even though many Labour MPs were elected by constituencies which voted "leave".

– alephzero
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@JBentley The reality was (and is) that the question in the first referendum was not one where one can "change ones mind" at will. But of course in a two-party system, the opposition will, almost by definition, oppose any government action - even though many Labour MPs were elected by constituencies which voted "leave".

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@JBentley A general election is not a referendum. Everyone knows that the results of an election can be overturned at the next election. There is no legal process for having regularly repeated elections (or referendums) to decide whether to leave or remain in the EU for the next 5 years, or some other fixed term.

– alephzero
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@JBentley A general election is not a referendum. Everyone knows that the results of an election can be overturned at the next election. There is no legal process for having regularly repeated elections (or referendums) to decide whether to leave or remain in the EU for the next 5 years, or some other fixed term.

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@alephzero Why was the referendum not something you can change your mind on? During the last two years, if became quite obvious that everything was based on lies and misconceptions. And that the implementation will leave much to be desired. Of course, one should never have started a referendum, if the could be so disastrous. For this special case, it could be argued that the conditions changed and a new referendum is acceptable, now that we all know better.

– Chieron
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@alephzero Why was the referendum not something you can change your mind on? During the last two years, if became quite obvious that everything was based on lies and misconceptions. And that the implementation will leave much to be desired. Of course, one should never have started a referendum, if the could be so disastrous. For this special case, it could be argued that the conditions changed and a new referendum is acceptable, now that we all know better.

– Chieron
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