When blogging recipes, how can I support both readers who want the narrative/journey and ones who want the...
Increasingly often, if you Google for a recipe your search results will be full of long, image-rich blog posts that, somewhere in there, have the actual recipe you were looking for. Many of these have a "printer-friendly version" link to make that easier; I can get the stuff I need in my kitchen on paper easily, but the author doesn't have to cut back on the part that is interesting when cooking is not imminent. Here's an example of the basic idea -- if you click on the "print" link it starts your browser print dialogue with a subset of the page's content. But that site made a separate page for the print version, and I want to post the recipe once not twice.
As somebody who sometimes posts about cooking, including recipes, on my blog, I'd like to be able to offer that printer-friendly version, too -- but I don't want to have to create the content twice. Is there some script or HTML magic that can help me? I write my blog posts in markdown and can include HTML tags. How do I modify my source to mark a portion of the post as content for a "print" link (and generate the link)?
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Increasingly often, if you Google for a recipe your search results will be full of long, image-rich blog posts that, somewhere in there, have the actual recipe you were looking for. Many of these have a "printer-friendly version" link to make that easier; I can get the stuff I need in my kitchen on paper easily, but the author doesn't have to cut back on the part that is interesting when cooking is not imminent. Here's an example of the basic idea -- if you click on the "print" link it starts your browser print dialogue with a subset of the page's content. But that site made a separate page for the print version, and I want to post the recipe once not twice.
As somebody who sometimes posts about cooking, including recipes, on my blog, I'd like to be able to offer that printer-friendly version, too -- but I don't want to have to create the content twice. Is there some script or HTML magic that can help me? I write my blog posts in markdown and can include HTML tags. How do I modify my source to mark a portion of the post as content for a "print" link (and generate the link)?
non-fiction tools blog food-writing
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I also blog recipes and want this feature! What a great question.
– Cyn
yesterday
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@bruglesco single-sourcing two versions would be ok if necessary, but sometimes I edit after posting so having it just there once, with the print view generated on demand, would be ideal.
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
2
@user2397282 first, as someone else said, our scope includes publishing (and we have whole tags about blogging, publishing, software tools, and more). Second, the question is about publishing; the answers happen to be about CSS/jQuery; my question would be shot down on SO. Third, sites have overlapping scope; SO doesn't send all its database questions to DBA and its emacs questions to Emacs, we don't send our questions about publishing on Amazon to EBooks, and Workplace doesn't send its questions about difficult coworkers to Interpersonal Skills. If you have concerns, please raise on meta.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
3
I agree this is an on topic question about publishing. Posts about details of blogs unrelated to Writing are off topic but this one is about the presentation of written material in interaction with the reader. I am voting "Leave Open."
– Cyn
13 hours ago
3
@undefined the answers here might lead me to ask followup questions on SO (especially since my CSS and JavaScript skills are somewhat limited). Questions sometimes end up having multiple pieces, not all of which necessarily belong on the same site; one of the strengths of the network, IMO, is that we can support that kind of multi-part question.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
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Increasingly often, if you Google for a recipe your search results will be full of long, image-rich blog posts that, somewhere in there, have the actual recipe you were looking for. Many of these have a "printer-friendly version" link to make that easier; I can get the stuff I need in my kitchen on paper easily, but the author doesn't have to cut back on the part that is interesting when cooking is not imminent. Here's an example of the basic idea -- if you click on the "print" link it starts your browser print dialogue with a subset of the page's content. But that site made a separate page for the print version, and I want to post the recipe once not twice.
As somebody who sometimes posts about cooking, including recipes, on my blog, I'd like to be able to offer that printer-friendly version, too -- but I don't want to have to create the content twice. Is there some script or HTML magic that can help me? I write my blog posts in markdown and can include HTML tags. How do I modify my source to mark a portion of the post as content for a "print" link (and generate the link)?
non-fiction tools blog food-writing
Increasingly often, if you Google for a recipe your search results will be full of long, image-rich blog posts that, somewhere in there, have the actual recipe you were looking for. Many of these have a "printer-friendly version" link to make that easier; I can get the stuff I need in my kitchen on paper easily, but the author doesn't have to cut back on the part that is interesting when cooking is not imminent. Here's an example of the basic idea -- if you click on the "print" link it starts your browser print dialogue with a subset of the page's content. But that site made a separate page for the print version, and I want to post the recipe once not twice.
As somebody who sometimes posts about cooking, including recipes, on my blog, I'd like to be able to offer that printer-friendly version, too -- but I don't want to have to create the content twice. Is there some script or HTML magic that can help me? I write my blog posts in markdown and can include HTML tags. How do I modify my source to mark a portion of the post as content for a "print" link (and generate the link)?
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I also blog recipes and want this feature! What a great question.
– Cyn
yesterday
2
@bruglesco single-sourcing two versions would be ok if necessary, but sometimes I edit after posting so having it just there once, with the print view generated on demand, would be ideal.
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
2
@user2397282 first, as someone else said, our scope includes publishing (and we have whole tags about blogging, publishing, software tools, and more). Second, the question is about publishing; the answers happen to be about CSS/jQuery; my question would be shot down on SO. Third, sites have overlapping scope; SO doesn't send all its database questions to DBA and its emacs questions to Emacs, we don't send our questions about publishing on Amazon to EBooks, and Workplace doesn't send its questions about difficult coworkers to Interpersonal Skills. If you have concerns, please raise on meta.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
3
I agree this is an on topic question about publishing. Posts about details of blogs unrelated to Writing are off topic but this one is about the presentation of written material in interaction with the reader. I am voting "Leave Open."
– Cyn
13 hours ago
3
@undefined the answers here might lead me to ask followup questions on SO (especially since my CSS and JavaScript skills are somewhat limited). Questions sometimes end up having multiple pieces, not all of which necessarily belong on the same site; one of the strengths of the network, IMO, is that we can support that kind of multi-part question.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
|
show 13 more comments
4
I also blog recipes and want this feature! What a great question.
– Cyn
yesterday
2
@bruglesco single-sourcing two versions would be ok if necessary, but sometimes I edit after posting so having it just there once, with the print view generated on demand, would be ideal.
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
2
@user2397282 first, as someone else said, our scope includes publishing (and we have whole tags about blogging, publishing, software tools, and more). Second, the question is about publishing; the answers happen to be about CSS/jQuery; my question would be shot down on SO. Third, sites have overlapping scope; SO doesn't send all its database questions to DBA and its emacs questions to Emacs, we don't send our questions about publishing on Amazon to EBooks, and Workplace doesn't send its questions about difficult coworkers to Interpersonal Skills. If you have concerns, please raise on meta.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
3
I agree this is an on topic question about publishing. Posts about details of blogs unrelated to Writing are off topic but this one is about the presentation of written material in interaction with the reader. I am voting "Leave Open."
– Cyn
13 hours ago
3
@undefined the answers here might lead me to ask followup questions on SO (especially since my CSS and JavaScript skills are somewhat limited). Questions sometimes end up having multiple pieces, not all of which necessarily belong on the same site; one of the strengths of the network, IMO, is that we can support that kind of multi-part question.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
4
4
I also blog recipes and want this feature! What a great question.
– Cyn
yesterday
I also blog recipes and want this feature! What a great question.
– Cyn
yesterday
2
2
@bruglesco single-sourcing two versions would be ok if necessary, but sometimes I edit after posting so having it just there once, with the print view generated on demand, would be ideal.
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
@bruglesco single-sourcing two versions would be ok if necessary, but sometimes I edit after posting so having it just there once, with the print view generated on demand, would be ideal.
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
2
2
@user2397282 first, as someone else said, our scope includes publishing (and we have whole tags about blogging, publishing, software tools, and more). Second, the question is about publishing; the answers happen to be about CSS/jQuery; my question would be shot down on SO. Third, sites have overlapping scope; SO doesn't send all its database questions to DBA and its emacs questions to Emacs, we don't send our questions about publishing on Amazon to EBooks, and Workplace doesn't send its questions about difficult coworkers to Interpersonal Skills. If you have concerns, please raise on meta.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
@user2397282 first, as someone else said, our scope includes publishing (and we have whole tags about blogging, publishing, software tools, and more). Second, the question is about publishing; the answers happen to be about CSS/jQuery; my question would be shot down on SO. Third, sites have overlapping scope; SO doesn't send all its database questions to DBA and its emacs questions to Emacs, we don't send our questions about publishing on Amazon to EBooks, and Workplace doesn't send its questions about difficult coworkers to Interpersonal Skills. If you have concerns, please raise on meta.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
3
3
I agree this is an on topic question about publishing. Posts about details of blogs unrelated to Writing are off topic but this one is about the presentation of written material in interaction with the reader. I am voting "Leave Open."
– Cyn
13 hours ago
I agree this is an on topic question about publishing. Posts about details of blogs unrelated to Writing are off topic but this one is about the presentation of written material in interaction with the reader. I am voting "Leave Open."
– Cyn
13 hours ago
3
3
@undefined the answers here might lead me to ask followup questions on SO (especially since my CSS and JavaScript skills are somewhat limited). Questions sometimes end up having multiple pieces, not all of which necessarily belong on the same site; one of the strengths of the network, IMO, is that we can support that kind of multi-part question.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
@undefined the answers here might lead me to ask followup questions on SO (especially since my CSS and JavaScript skills are somewhat limited). Questions sometimes end up having multiple pieces, not all of which necessarily belong on the same site; one of the strengths of the network, IMO, is that we can support that kind of multi-part question.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
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CSS supports media queries since Level 2, Revision 1. That's from way back in 2011, so any modern web browser should support it.
If you're able to specify custom CSS, and apply custom CSS classes to your content, then you can define a CSS class such that the pictures and other ancilliary content is shown on screen, but only the actual recipe is printed on paper.
This way, you don't need to have a separate "printer friendly" page, because you're using CSS to define what "printer friendly" means for your particular content. Of course, it assumes that you have control over the CSS in the first place! The person visiting your web site just prints via their browser's normal "print" function.
Specifically, as discussed on MDN, you can either target print
media, or a specific characteristic of a media (a feature). For the former, you'd add something like
@media print {
img.food-photo { display: none; }
body { color: black; }
}
to hide food-photo
class img
s and set the text color to black
when the rendering media is identified as print
.
For the latter, you can target non-color-capable media (whether screen, print, or otherwise) by writing something like
@media not color /* untested, but looks like it should work */ {
body { color: black; }
}
to set the text color to black
where color is not supported.
These can be combined to form even more complex rules, and of course the normal CSS inheritance rules apply as well, so you can override only those attributes that need to be different between, say, print and non-print.
You might also be interested in CSS feature queries, which look to be similar but geared toward even more specific feature support; for example, one example shows how to apply specific CSS depending on whether display: flex
is supported. This looks more useful for when you want to know that the user agent (browser) supports a feature, than for targetting specific media types or capabilities.
I came across a Stack Overflow question at What does @media screen and (max-width: 1024px) mean in CSS? which has some more complex examples that you may find enlightening.
I think that the biggest downside to using CSS for this is that it leaves the visitor with no easy way to print the whole page including the "narrative/journey" if that's what they want to do. There are tricks that one can use, but those by their very nature are rather technical.
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How can a reader discover that the page will print well? I'd cut and paste the relevant content into an editor and try to print from there, and only see if the print is tolerable if cut-and-paste is broken somehow.
– Jeffrey Bosboom
23 hours ago
2
@JeffreyBosboom If the user presses print preview, they will see a rendering first. This dialog can also be opened with a link, IIRC.
– Graipher
22 hours ago
5
I'd be very surprised if the page printed differently as it is shown on screen. The general expectation is that the "print" function will print the page as it is, and definitely not after stripping away certain parts (besides ads). Or consider what would happen if someone actually wanted to print the whole story with all the fluff and how would they achieve that.
– zovits
18 hours ago
1
@undefined At the start! The whole point of the exercise is so that people don't have to trawl through huge amounts of fluff to get to the information you need, and you're putting the information they need after all that fluff.
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
1
@JeffreyBosboom Every major browser has a print preview function.
– Polygnome
10 hours ago
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TL;DR: Put the important stuff atop.
This isn't the technical solution you were looking for, but it's another way to give both types of readers what they want.
Readers who want the full story will read your blog post regardless of where you place the actual recipe. So why not place it right atop, maybe prefaced with a "TL;DR" (too long; didn't read)? Busy readers who just came for the recipe will immediately find what they are looking for and read no further. They can also print your recipe by only selecting the first page.
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This also avoids any technical issues like disabled javascript, broken css, additional effort of learning how to do it etc. Btw, I love that your answer starts with a TL;DR
– lucidbrot
9 hours ago
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You can put your content into a <div id="recipeXYZ">
nested normally within your blog post. Then you can load the content to a print page dynamically. Now you can print from your original page, with its images and story, or from your print page, which is more printer friendly. You can also modify your recipe from one central location and have it update both pages as they both always receive their content from the same source.
To generate the print page just add the button:
<span id="printPreview">printer friendly version (requires javascript)</span>
$("#printPreview").click(function(){
var w = window.open(); // you can change the dimenstions of the window here.
w.document.open().write("#recipeXYZ");
// you probably want to create the actual print button here.
});
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If you go this route, please for the love of all things holy make sure it works with non-Javascript-enabled browsers. With all the carp that gets fed as Javascript these days, quite a number of users run their browsers with varying Javascript disabling extensions, including the ilk of NoScript and uMatrix. Graceful degredation can make a site using this technique at least usable to those users as well. (Obviously, disabling Javascript trades off some functionality, and anyone who does it likely realizes that -- but the main content should at least display without Javascript.)
– a CVn♦
21 hours ago
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– bruglesco
3 hours ago
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WordPress Answer
If you're using WordPress, I've got really good news for you. The example that you provided is using a WordPress plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/easyrecipe/
Adding a recipe and getting the Recipe View microdata correct is not
only time consuming but it’s also pretty geeky and most cooks prefer
to cook and share, not code webpages.
Enter EasyRecipe.
Non-Wordpress Answer
If you are not using Wordpress I would give you 3 suggestions
If I was blogging recipes, what I would do is that I would create a separate pdf of the easy view and just link to it. While that doesn't synchronize, that's what I would do.
If you really want an html page instead of a pdf, You can create a separate blog. And the "Image and wordy" blog can reference the "easy" recipe blog.
- Finally, if neither of those work because you REALLY want the data synced, I would use the other answers already given to use the @media print styling.
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You use @media
rules in your CSS style sheets to define which html tags you want to print and which are only visible on screen. E.g.
@media print {
.stuff-you-don't-want-to-print {
display: none;
}
}
To print the current browser window, you print it with JavaScript, e.g.
<a href="javascript:window.print()">Print</a>
The page you link to actually provides a separate web page to print. You can see that the URL of the page you print is different than the URL of the blog post. And if you look at the source code the pages are different. So in fact your "example" is an example of what you don't want, when you say that "[you] don't want to have to create the content twice". That page has created the content twice.
If you don't want to create the content twice, use media queries.
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About the example -- yeah, I meant that that's the effect I want, but not that implementation. I"ll clarify. As for your meta question, software questions about publishing are fine here; we even have a whole tag, plus several others (like scrivener and dita).
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
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In a lot of ways, quests on online games like RuneScape are very much like recipes. I think you could take a page out of their book. Compare the following two pages:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_Slayer
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_Slayer/Quick_guide
At the top of each is a snippet that explains that there is a quick guide, or if you're on the quick guide and want the fuller description, that that exists as well. I think this paradigm would work very well for the recipes.
One potential issue here is that you have to essentially maintain two separate articles. But one of them, by definition, is pretty slimmed down, so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. I know this is something you specifically said you didn't want, but I wanted to throw it out there as a form of "When this problem came up, here's a solution for it in the wild that seems to actually work well."
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CSS supports media queries since Level 2, Revision 1. That's from way back in 2011, so any modern web browser should support it.
If you're able to specify custom CSS, and apply custom CSS classes to your content, then you can define a CSS class such that the pictures and other ancilliary content is shown on screen, but only the actual recipe is printed on paper.
This way, you don't need to have a separate "printer friendly" page, because you're using CSS to define what "printer friendly" means for your particular content. Of course, it assumes that you have control over the CSS in the first place! The person visiting your web site just prints via their browser's normal "print" function.
Specifically, as discussed on MDN, you can either target print
media, or a specific characteristic of a media (a feature). For the former, you'd add something like
@media print {
img.food-photo { display: none; }
body { color: black; }
}
to hide food-photo
class img
s and set the text color to black
when the rendering media is identified as print
.
For the latter, you can target non-color-capable media (whether screen, print, or otherwise) by writing something like
@media not color /* untested, but looks like it should work */ {
body { color: black; }
}
to set the text color to black
where color is not supported.
These can be combined to form even more complex rules, and of course the normal CSS inheritance rules apply as well, so you can override only those attributes that need to be different between, say, print and non-print.
You might also be interested in CSS feature queries, which look to be similar but geared toward even more specific feature support; for example, one example shows how to apply specific CSS depending on whether display: flex
is supported. This looks more useful for when you want to know that the user agent (browser) supports a feature, than for targetting specific media types or capabilities.
I came across a Stack Overflow question at What does @media screen and (max-width: 1024px) mean in CSS? which has some more complex examples that you may find enlightening.
I think that the biggest downside to using CSS for this is that it leaves the visitor with no easy way to print the whole page including the "narrative/journey" if that's what they want to do. There are tricks that one can use, but those by their very nature are rather technical.
9
How can a reader discover that the page will print well? I'd cut and paste the relevant content into an editor and try to print from there, and only see if the print is tolerable if cut-and-paste is broken somehow.
– Jeffrey Bosboom
23 hours ago
2
@JeffreyBosboom If the user presses print preview, they will see a rendering first. This dialog can also be opened with a link, IIRC.
– Graipher
22 hours ago
5
I'd be very surprised if the page printed differently as it is shown on screen. The general expectation is that the "print" function will print the page as it is, and definitely not after stripping away certain parts (besides ads). Or consider what would happen if someone actually wanted to print the whole story with all the fluff and how would they achieve that.
– zovits
18 hours ago
1
@undefined At the start! The whole point of the exercise is so that people don't have to trawl through huge amounts of fluff to get to the information you need, and you're putting the information they need after all that fluff.
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
1
@JeffreyBosboom Every major browser has a print preview function.
– Polygnome
10 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
CSS supports media queries since Level 2, Revision 1. That's from way back in 2011, so any modern web browser should support it.
If you're able to specify custom CSS, and apply custom CSS classes to your content, then you can define a CSS class such that the pictures and other ancilliary content is shown on screen, but only the actual recipe is printed on paper.
This way, you don't need to have a separate "printer friendly" page, because you're using CSS to define what "printer friendly" means for your particular content. Of course, it assumes that you have control over the CSS in the first place! The person visiting your web site just prints via their browser's normal "print" function.
Specifically, as discussed on MDN, you can either target print
media, or a specific characteristic of a media (a feature). For the former, you'd add something like
@media print {
img.food-photo { display: none; }
body { color: black; }
}
to hide food-photo
class img
s and set the text color to black
when the rendering media is identified as print
.
For the latter, you can target non-color-capable media (whether screen, print, or otherwise) by writing something like
@media not color /* untested, but looks like it should work */ {
body { color: black; }
}
to set the text color to black
where color is not supported.
These can be combined to form even more complex rules, and of course the normal CSS inheritance rules apply as well, so you can override only those attributes that need to be different between, say, print and non-print.
You might also be interested in CSS feature queries, which look to be similar but geared toward even more specific feature support; for example, one example shows how to apply specific CSS depending on whether display: flex
is supported. This looks more useful for when you want to know that the user agent (browser) supports a feature, than for targetting specific media types or capabilities.
I came across a Stack Overflow question at What does @media screen and (max-width: 1024px) mean in CSS? which has some more complex examples that you may find enlightening.
I think that the biggest downside to using CSS for this is that it leaves the visitor with no easy way to print the whole page including the "narrative/journey" if that's what they want to do. There are tricks that one can use, but those by their very nature are rather technical.
9
How can a reader discover that the page will print well? I'd cut and paste the relevant content into an editor and try to print from there, and only see if the print is tolerable if cut-and-paste is broken somehow.
– Jeffrey Bosboom
23 hours ago
2
@JeffreyBosboom If the user presses print preview, they will see a rendering first. This dialog can also be opened with a link, IIRC.
– Graipher
22 hours ago
5
I'd be very surprised if the page printed differently as it is shown on screen. The general expectation is that the "print" function will print the page as it is, and definitely not after stripping away certain parts (besides ads). Or consider what would happen if someone actually wanted to print the whole story with all the fluff and how would they achieve that.
– zovits
18 hours ago
1
@undefined At the start! The whole point of the exercise is so that people don't have to trawl through huge amounts of fluff to get to the information you need, and you're putting the information they need after all that fluff.
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
1
@JeffreyBosboom Every major browser has a print preview function.
– Polygnome
10 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
CSS supports media queries since Level 2, Revision 1. That's from way back in 2011, so any modern web browser should support it.
If you're able to specify custom CSS, and apply custom CSS classes to your content, then you can define a CSS class such that the pictures and other ancilliary content is shown on screen, but only the actual recipe is printed on paper.
This way, you don't need to have a separate "printer friendly" page, because you're using CSS to define what "printer friendly" means for your particular content. Of course, it assumes that you have control over the CSS in the first place! The person visiting your web site just prints via their browser's normal "print" function.
Specifically, as discussed on MDN, you can either target print
media, or a specific characteristic of a media (a feature). For the former, you'd add something like
@media print {
img.food-photo { display: none; }
body { color: black; }
}
to hide food-photo
class img
s and set the text color to black
when the rendering media is identified as print
.
For the latter, you can target non-color-capable media (whether screen, print, or otherwise) by writing something like
@media not color /* untested, but looks like it should work */ {
body { color: black; }
}
to set the text color to black
where color is not supported.
These can be combined to form even more complex rules, and of course the normal CSS inheritance rules apply as well, so you can override only those attributes that need to be different between, say, print and non-print.
You might also be interested in CSS feature queries, which look to be similar but geared toward even more specific feature support; for example, one example shows how to apply specific CSS depending on whether display: flex
is supported. This looks more useful for when you want to know that the user agent (browser) supports a feature, than for targetting specific media types or capabilities.
I came across a Stack Overflow question at What does @media screen and (max-width: 1024px) mean in CSS? which has some more complex examples that you may find enlightening.
I think that the biggest downside to using CSS for this is that it leaves the visitor with no easy way to print the whole page including the "narrative/journey" if that's what they want to do. There are tricks that one can use, but those by their very nature are rather technical.
CSS supports media queries since Level 2, Revision 1. That's from way back in 2011, so any modern web browser should support it.
If you're able to specify custom CSS, and apply custom CSS classes to your content, then you can define a CSS class such that the pictures and other ancilliary content is shown on screen, but only the actual recipe is printed on paper.
This way, you don't need to have a separate "printer friendly" page, because you're using CSS to define what "printer friendly" means for your particular content. Of course, it assumes that you have control over the CSS in the first place! The person visiting your web site just prints via their browser's normal "print" function.
Specifically, as discussed on MDN, you can either target print
media, or a specific characteristic of a media (a feature). For the former, you'd add something like
@media print {
img.food-photo { display: none; }
body { color: black; }
}
to hide food-photo
class img
s and set the text color to black
when the rendering media is identified as print
.
For the latter, you can target non-color-capable media (whether screen, print, or otherwise) by writing something like
@media not color /* untested, but looks like it should work */ {
body { color: black; }
}
to set the text color to black
where color is not supported.
These can be combined to form even more complex rules, and of course the normal CSS inheritance rules apply as well, so you can override only those attributes that need to be different between, say, print and non-print.
You might also be interested in CSS feature queries, which look to be similar but geared toward even more specific feature support; for example, one example shows how to apply specific CSS depending on whether display: flex
is supported. This looks more useful for when you want to know that the user agent (browser) supports a feature, than for targetting specific media types or capabilities.
I came across a Stack Overflow question at What does @media screen and (max-width: 1024px) mean in CSS? which has some more complex examples that you may find enlightening.
I think that the biggest downside to using CSS for this is that it leaves the visitor with no easy way to print the whole page including the "narrative/journey" if that's what they want to do. There are tricks that one can use, but those by their very nature are rather technical.
edited yesterday
answered yesterday
a CVn♦a CVn
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How can a reader discover that the page will print well? I'd cut and paste the relevant content into an editor and try to print from there, and only see if the print is tolerable if cut-and-paste is broken somehow.
– Jeffrey Bosboom
23 hours ago
2
@JeffreyBosboom If the user presses print preview, they will see a rendering first. This dialog can also be opened with a link, IIRC.
– Graipher
22 hours ago
5
I'd be very surprised if the page printed differently as it is shown on screen. The general expectation is that the "print" function will print the page as it is, and definitely not after stripping away certain parts (besides ads). Or consider what would happen if someone actually wanted to print the whole story with all the fluff and how would they achieve that.
– zovits
18 hours ago
1
@undefined At the start! The whole point of the exercise is so that people don't have to trawl through huge amounts of fluff to get to the information you need, and you're putting the information they need after all that fluff.
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
1
@JeffreyBosboom Every major browser has a print preview function.
– Polygnome
10 hours ago
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How can a reader discover that the page will print well? I'd cut and paste the relevant content into an editor and try to print from there, and only see if the print is tolerable if cut-and-paste is broken somehow.
– Jeffrey Bosboom
23 hours ago
2
@JeffreyBosboom If the user presses print preview, they will see a rendering first. This dialog can also be opened with a link, IIRC.
– Graipher
22 hours ago
5
I'd be very surprised if the page printed differently as it is shown on screen. The general expectation is that the "print" function will print the page as it is, and definitely not after stripping away certain parts (besides ads). Or consider what would happen if someone actually wanted to print the whole story with all the fluff and how would they achieve that.
– zovits
18 hours ago
1
@undefined At the start! The whole point of the exercise is so that people don't have to trawl through huge amounts of fluff to get to the information you need, and you're putting the information they need after all that fluff.
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
1
@JeffreyBosboom Every major browser has a print preview function.
– Polygnome
10 hours ago
9
9
How can a reader discover that the page will print well? I'd cut and paste the relevant content into an editor and try to print from there, and only see if the print is tolerable if cut-and-paste is broken somehow.
– Jeffrey Bosboom
23 hours ago
How can a reader discover that the page will print well? I'd cut and paste the relevant content into an editor and try to print from there, and only see if the print is tolerable if cut-and-paste is broken somehow.
– Jeffrey Bosboom
23 hours ago
2
2
@JeffreyBosboom If the user presses print preview, they will see a rendering first. This dialog can also be opened with a link, IIRC.
– Graipher
22 hours ago
@JeffreyBosboom If the user presses print preview, they will see a rendering first. This dialog can also be opened with a link, IIRC.
– Graipher
22 hours ago
5
5
I'd be very surprised if the page printed differently as it is shown on screen. The general expectation is that the "print" function will print the page as it is, and definitely not after stripping away certain parts (besides ads). Or consider what would happen if someone actually wanted to print the whole story with all the fluff and how would they achieve that.
– zovits
18 hours ago
I'd be very surprised if the page printed differently as it is shown on screen. The general expectation is that the "print" function will print the page as it is, and definitely not after stripping away certain parts (besides ads). Or consider what would happen if someone actually wanted to print the whole story with all the fluff and how would they achieve that.
– zovits
18 hours ago
1
1
@undefined At the start! The whole point of the exercise is so that people don't have to trawl through huge amounts of fluff to get to the information you need, and you're putting the information they need after all that fluff.
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
@undefined At the start! The whole point of the exercise is so that people don't have to trawl through huge amounts of fluff to get to the information you need, and you're putting the information they need after all that fluff.
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
1
1
@JeffreyBosboom Every major browser has a print preview function.
– Polygnome
10 hours ago
@JeffreyBosboom Every major browser has a print preview function.
– Polygnome
10 hours ago
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TL;DR: Put the important stuff atop.
This isn't the technical solution you were looking for, but it's another way to give both types of readers what they want.
Readers who want the full story will read your blog post regardless of where you place the actual recipe. So why not place it right atop, maybe prefaced with a "TL;DR" (too long; didn't read)? Busy readers who just came for the recipe will immediately find what they are looking for and read no further. They can also print your recipe by only selecting the first page.
New contributor
1
This also avoids any technical issues like disabled javascript, broken css, additional effort of learning how to do it etc. Btw, I love that your answer starts with a TL;DR
– lucidbrot
9 hours ago
add a comment |
TL;DR: Put the important stuff atop.
This isn't the technical solution you were looking for, but it's another way to give both types of readers what they want.
Readers who want the full story will read your blog post regardless of where you place the actual recipe. So why not place it right atop, maybe prefaced with a "TL;DR" (too long; didn't read)? Busy readers who just came for the recipe will immediately find what they are looking for and read no further. They can also print your recipe by only selecting the first page.
New contributor
1
This also avoids any technical issues like disabled javascript, broken css, additional effort of learning how to do it etc. Btw, I love that your answer starts with a TL;DR
– lucidbrot
9 hours ago
add a comment |
TL;DR: Put the important stuff atop.
This isn't the technical solution you were looking for, but it's another way to give both types of readers what they want.
Readers who want the full story will read your blog post regardless of where you place the actual recipe. So why not place it right atop, maybe prefaced with a "TL;DR" (too long; didn't read)? Busy readers who just came for the recipe will immediately find what they are looking for and read no further. They can also print your recipe by only selecting the first page.
New contributor
TL;DR: Put the important stuff atop.
This isn't the technical solution you were looking for, but it's another way to give both types of readers what they want.
Readers who want the full story will read your blog post regardless of where you place the actual recipe. So why not place it right atop, maybe prefaced with a "TL;DR" (too long; didn't read)? Busy readers who just came for the recipe will immediately find what they are looking for and read no further. They can also print your recipe by only selecting the first page.
New contributor
edited 11 hours ago
New contributor
answered 12 hours ago
henninghenning
1614
1614
New contributor
New contributor
1
This also avoids any technical issues like disabled javascript, broken css, additional effort of learning how to do it etc. Btw, I love that your answer starts with a TL;DR
– lucidbrot
9 hours ago
add a comment |
1
This also avoids any technical issues like disabled javascript, broken css, additional effort of learning how to do it etc. Btw, I love that your answer starts with a TL;DR
– lucidbrot
9 hours ago
1
1
This also avoids any technical issues like disabled javascript, broken css, additional effort of learning how to do it etc. Btw, I love that your answer starts with a TL;DR
– lucidbrot
9 hours ago
This also avoids any technical issues like disabled javascript, broken css, additional effort of learning how to do it etc. Btw, I love that your answer starts with a TL;DR
– lucidbrot
9 hours ago
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You can put your content into a <div id="recipeXYZ">
nested normally within your blog post. Then you can load the content to a print page dynamically. Now you can print from your original page, with its images and story, or from your print page, which is more printer friendly. You can also modify your recipe from one central location and have it update both pages as they both always receive their content from the same source.
To generate the print page just add the button:
<span id="printPreview">printer friendly version (requires javascript)</span>
$("#printPreview").click(function(){
var w = window.open(); // you can change the dimenstions of the window here.
w.document.open().write("#recipeXYZ");
// you probably want to create the actual print button here.
});
8
If you go this route, please for the love of all things holy make sure it works with non-Javascript-enabled browsers. With all the carp that gets fed as Javascript these days, quite a number of users run their browsers with varying Javascript disabling extensions, including the ilk of NoScript and uMatrix. Graceful degredation can make a site using this technique at least usable to those users as well. (Obviously, disabling Javascript trades off some functionality, and anyone who does it likely realizes that -- but the main content should at least display without Javascript.)
– a CVn♦
21 hours ago
@aCVn updated answer
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
add a comment |
You can put your content into a <div id="recipeXYZ">
nested normally within your blog post. Then you can load the content to a print page dynamically. Now you can print from your original page, with its images and story, or from your print page, which is more printer friendly. You can also modify your recipe from one central location and have it update both pages as they both always receive their content from the same source.
To generate the print page just add the button:
<span id="printPreview">printer friendly version (requires javascript)</span>
$("#printPreview").click(function(){
var w = window.open(); // you can change the dimenstions of the window here.
w.document.open().write("#recipeXYZ");
// you probably want to create the actual print button here.
});
8
If you go this route, please for the love of all things holy make sure it works with non-Javascript-enabled browsers. With all the carp that gets fed as Javascript these days, quite a number of users run their browsers with varying Javascript disabling extensions, including the ilk of NoScript and uMatrix. Graceful degredation can make a site using this technique at least usable to those users as well. (Obviously, disabling Javascript trades off some functionality, and anyone who does it likely realizes that -- but the main content should at least display without Javascript.)
– a CVn♦
21 hours ago
@aCVn updated answer
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
add a comment |
You can put your content into a <div id="recipeXYZ">
nested normally within your blog post. Then you can load the content to a print page dynamically. Now you can print from your original page, with its images and story, or from your print page, which is more printer friendly. You can also modify your recipe from one central location and have it update both pages as they both always receive their content from the same source.
To generate the print page just add the button:
<span id="printPreview">printer friendly version (requires javascript)</span>
$("#printPreview").click(function(){
var w = window.open(); // you can change the dimenstions of the window here.
w.document.open().write("#recipeXYZ");
// you probably want to create the actual print button here.
});
You can put your content into a <div id="recipeXYZ">
nested normally within your blog post. Then you can load the content to a print page dynamically. Now you can print from your original page, with its images and story, or from your print page, which is more printer friendly. You can also modify your recipe from one central location and have it update both pages as they both always receive their content from the same source.
To generate the print page just add the button:
<span id="printPreview">printer friendly version (requires javascript)</span>
$("#printPreview").click(function(){
var w = window.open(); // you can change the dimenstions of the window here.
w.document.open().write("#recipeXYZ");
// you probably want to create the actual print button here.
});
edited 1 hour ago
answered yesterday
bruglescobruglesco
2,526742
2,526742
8
If you go this route, please for the love of all things holy make sure it works with non-Javascript-enabled browsers. With all the carp that gets fed as Javascript these days, quite a number of users run their browsers with varying Javascript disabling extensions, including the ilk of NoScript and uMatrix. Graceful degredation can make a site using this technique at least usable to those users as well. (Obviously, disabling Javascript trades off some functionality, and anyone who does it likely realizes that -- but the main content should at least display without Javascript.)
– a CVn♦
21 hours ago
@aCVn updated answer
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
add a comment |
8
If you go this route, please for the love of all things holy make sure it works with non-Javascript-enabled browsers. With all the carp that gets fed as Javascript these days, quite a number of users run their browsers with varying Javascript disabling extensions, including the ilk of NoScript and uMatrix. Graceful degredation can make a site using this technique at least usable to those users as well. (Obviously, disabling Javascript trades off some functionality, and anyone who does it likely realizes that -- but the main content should at least display without Javascript.)
– a CVn♦
21 hours ago
@aCVn updated answer
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
8
8
If you go this route, please for the love of all things holy make sure it works with non-Javascript-enabled browsers. With all the carp that gets fed as Javascript these days, quite a number of users run their browsers with varying Javascript disabling extensions, including the ilk of NoScript and uMatrix. Graceful degredation can make a site using this technique at least usable to those users as well. (Obviously, disabling Javascript trades off some functionality, and anyone who does it likely realizes that -- but the main content should at least display without Javascript.)
– a CVn♦
21 hours ago
If you go this route, please for the love of all things holy make sure it works with non-Javascript-enabled browsers. With all the carp that gets fed as Javascript these days, quite a number of users run their browsers with varying Javascript disabling extensions, including the ilk of NoScript and uMatrix. Graceful degredation can make a site using this technique at least usable to those users as well. (Obviously, disabling Javascript trades off some functionality, and anyone who does it likely realizes that -- but the main content should at least display without Javascript.)
– a CVn♦
21 hours ago
@aCVn updated answer
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
@aCVn updated answer
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
add a comment |
WordPress Answer
If you're using WordPress, I've got really good news for you. The example that you provided is using a WordPress plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/easyrecipe/
Adding a recipe and getting the Recipe View microdata correct is not
only time consuming but it’s also pretty geeky and most cooks prefer
to cook and share, not code webpages.
Enter EasyRecipe.
Non-Wordpress Answer
If you are not using Wordpress I would give you 3 suggestions
If I was blogging recipes, what I would do is that I would create a separate pdf of the easy view and just link to it. While that doesn't synchronize, that's what I would do.
If you really want an html page instead of a pdf, You can create a separate blog. And the "Image and wordy" blog can reference the "easy" recipe blog.
- Finally, if neither of those work because you REALLY want the data synced, I would use the other answers already given to use the @media print styling.
add a comment |
WordPress Answer
If you're using WordPress, I've got really good news for you. The example that you provided is using a WordPress plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/easyrecipe/
Adding a recipe and getting the Recipe View microdata correct is not
only time consuming but it’s also pretty geeky and most cooks prefer
to cook and share, not code webpages.
Enter EasyRecipe.
Non-Wordpress Answer
If you are not using Wordpress I would give you 3 suggestions
If I was blogging recipes, what I would do is that I would create a separate pdf of the easy view and just link to it. While that doesn't synchronize, that's what I would do.
If you really want an html page instead of a pdf, You can create a separate blog. And the "Image and wordy" blog can reference the "easy" recipe blog.
- Finally, if neither of those work because you REALLY want the data synced, I would use the other answers already given to use the @media print styling.
add a comment |
WordPress Answer
If you're using WordPress, I've got really good news for you. The example that you provided is using a WordPress plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/easyrecipe/
Adding a recipe and getting the Recipe View microdata correct is not
only time consuming but it’s also pretty geeky and most cooks prefer
to cook and share, not code webpages.
Enter EasyRecipe.
Non-Wordpress Answer
If you are not using Wordpress I would give you 3 suggestions
If I was blogging recipes, what I would do is that I would create a separate pdf of the easy view and just link to it. While that doesn't synchronize, that's what I would do.
If you really want an html page instead of a pdf, You can create a separate blog. And the "Image and wordy" blog can reference the "easy" recipe blog.
- Finally, if neither of those work because you REALLY want the data synced, I would use the other answers already given to use the @media print styling.
WordPress Answer
If you're using WordPress, I've got really good news for you. The example that you provided is using a WordPress plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/easyrecipe/
Adding a recipe and getting the Recipe View microdata correct is not
only time consuming but it’s also pretty geeky and most cooks prefer
to cook and share, not code webpages.
Enter EasyRecipe.
Non-Wordpress Answer
If you are not using Wordpress I would give you 3 suggestions
If I was blogging recipes, what I would do is that I would create a separate pdf of the easy view and just link to it. While that doesn't synchronize, that's what I would do.
If you really want an html page instead of a pdf, You can create a separate blog. And the "Image and wordy" blog can reference the "easy" recipe blog.
- Finally, if neither of those work because you REALLY want the data synced, I would use the other answers already given to use the @media print styling.
answered 12 hours ago
DustinDustin
1713
1713
add a comment |
add a comment |
You use @media
rules in your CSS style sheets to define which html tags you want to print and which are only visible on screen. E.g.
@media print {
.stuff-you-don't-want-to-print {
display: none;
}
}
To print the current browser window, you print it with JavaScript, e.g.
<a href="javascript:window.print()">Print</a>
The page you link to actually provides a separate web page to print. You can see that the URL of the page you print is different than the URL of the blog post. And if you look at the source code the pages are different. So in fact your "example" is an example of what you don't want, when you say that "[you] don't want to have to create the content twice". That page has created the content twice.
If you don't want to create the content twice, use media queries.
1
About the example -- yeah, I meant that that's the effect I want, but not that implementation. I"ll clarify. As for your meta question, software questions about publishing are fine here; we even have a whole tag, plus several others (like scrivener and dita).
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
add a comment |
You use @media
rules in your CSS style sheets to define which html tags you want to print and which are only visible on screen. E.g.
@media print {
.stuff-you-don't-want-to-print {
display: none;
}
}
To print the current browser window, you print it with JavaScript, e.g.
<a href="javascript:window.print()">Print</a>
The page you link to actually provides a separate web page to print. You can see that the URL of the page you print is different than the URL of the blog post. And if you look at the source code the pages are different. So in fact your "example" is an example of what you don't want, when you say that "[you] don't want to have to create the content twice". That page has created the content twice.
If you don't want to create the content twice, use media queries.
1
About the example -- yeah, I meant that that's the effect I want, but not that implementation. I"ll clarify. As for your meta question, software questions about publishing are fine here; we even have a whole tag, plus several others (like scrivener and dita).
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
add a comment |
You use @media
rules in your CSS style sheets to define which html tags you want to print and which are only visible on screen. E.g.
@media print {
.stuff-you-don't-want-to-print {
display: none;
}
}
To print the current browser window, you print it with JavaScript, e.g.
<a href="javascript:window.print()">Print</a>
The page you link to actually provides a separate web page to print. You can see that the URL of the page you print is different than the URL of the blog post. And if you look at the source code the pages are different. So in fact your "example" is an example of what you don't want, when you say that "[you] don't want to have to create the content twice". That page has created the content twice.
If you don't want to create the content twice, use media queries.
You use @media
rules in your CSS style sheets to define which html tags you want to print and which are only visible on screen. E.g.
@media print {
.stuff-you-don't-want-to-print {
display: none;
}
}
To print the current browser window, you print it with JavaScript, e.g.
<a href="javascript:window.print()">Print</a>
The page you link to actually provides a separate web page to print. You can see that the URL of the page you print is different than the URL of the blog post. And if you look at the source code the pages are different. So in fact your "example" is an example of what you don't want, when you say that "[you] don't want to have to create the content twice". That page has created the content twice.
If you don't want to create the content twice, use media queries.
edited yesterday
bruglesco
2,526742
2,526742
answered yesterday
user37740
1
About the example -- yeah, I meant that that's the effect I want, but not that implementation. I"ll clarify. As for your meta question, software questions about publishing are fine here; we even have a whole tag, plus several others (like scrivener and dita).
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
add a comment |
1
About the example -- yeah, I meant that that's the effect I want, but not that implementation. I"ll clarify. As for your meta question, software questions about publishing are fine here; we even have a whole tag, plus several others (like scrivener and dita).
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
1
1
About the example -- yeah, I meant that that's the effect I want, but not that implementation. I"ll clarify. As for your meta question, software questions about publishing are fine here; we even have a whole tag, plus several others (like scrivener and dita).
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
About the example -- yeah, I meant that that's the effect I want, but not that implementation. I"ll clarify. As for your meta question, software questions about publishing are fine here; we even have a whole tag, plus several others (like scrivener and dita).
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
add a comment |
In a lot of ways, quests on online games like RuneScape are very much like recipes. I think you could take a page out of their book. Compare the following two pages:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_Slayer
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_Slayer/Quick_guide
At the top of each is a snippet that explains that there is a quick guide, or if you're on the quick guide and want the fuller description, that that exists as well. I think this paradigm would work very well for the recipes.
One potential issue here is that you have to essentially maintain two separate articles. But one of them, by definition, is pretty slimmed down, so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. I know this is something you specifically said you didn't want, but I wanted to throw it out there as a form of "When this problem came up, here's a solution for it in the wild that seems to actually work well."
add a comment |
In a lot of ways, quests on online games like RuneScape are very much like recipes. I think you could take a page out of their book. Compare the following two pages:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_Slayer
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_Slayer/Quick_guide
At the top of each is a snippet that explains that there is a quick guide, or if you're on the quick guide and want the fuller description, that that exists as well. I think this paradigm would work very well for the recipes.
One potential issue here is that you have to essentially maintain two separate articles. But one of them, by definition, is pretty slimmed down, so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. I know this is something you specifically said you didn't want, but I wanted to throw it out there as a form of "When this problem came up, here's a solution for it in the wild that seems to actually work well."
add a comment |
In a lot of ways, quests on online games like RuneScape are very much like recipes. I think you could take a page out of their book. Compare the following two pages:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_Slayer
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_Slayer/Quick_guide
At the top of each is a snippet that explains that there is a quick guide, or if you're on the quick guide and want the fuller description, that that exists as well. I think this paradigm would work very well for the recipes.
One potential issue here is that you have to essentially maintain two separate articles. But one of them, by definition, is pretty slimmed down, so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. I know this is something you specifically said you didn't want, but I wanted to throw it out there as a form of "When this problem came up, here's a solution for it in the wild that seems to actually work well."
In a lot of ways, quests on online games like RuneScape are very much like recipes. I think you could take a page out of their book. Compare the following two pages:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_Slayer
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_Slayer/Quick_guide
At the top of each is a snippet that explains that there is a quick guide, or if you're on the quick guide and want the fuller description, that that exists as well. I think this paradigm would work very well for the recipes.
One potential issue here is that you have to essentially maintain two separate articles. But one of them, by definition, is pretty slimmed down, so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. I know this is something you specifically said you didn't want, but I wanted to throw it out there as a form of "When this problem came up, here's a solution for it in the wild that seems to actually work well."
answered 43 mins ago
corsiKacorsiKa
35115
35115
add a comment |
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I also blog recipes and want this feature! What a great question.
– Cyn
yesterday
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@bruglesco single-sourcing two versions would be ok if necessary, but sometimes I edit after posting so having it just there once, with the print view generated on demand, would be ideal.
– Monica Cellio♦
yesterday
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@user2397282 first, as someone else said, our scope includes publishing (and we have whole tags about blogging, publishing, software tools, and more). Second, the question is about publishing; the answers happen to be about CSS/jQuery; my question would be shot down on SO. Third, sites have overlapping scope; SO doesn't send all its database questions to DBA and its emacs questions to Emacs, we don't send our questions about publishing on Amazon to EBooks, and Workplace doesn't send its questions about difficult coworkers to Interpersonal Skills. If you have concerns, please raise on meta.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
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I agree this is an on topic question about publishing. Posts about details of blogs unrelated to Writing are off topic but this one is about the presentation of written material in interaction with the reader. I am voting "Leave Open."
– Cyn
13 hours ago
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@undefined the answers here might lead me to ask followup questions on SO (especially since my CSS and JavaScript skills are somewhat limited). Questions sometimes end up having multiple pieces, not all of which necessarily belong on the same site; one of the strengths of the network, IMO, is that we can support that kind of multi-part question.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago