How to determine if a creature has a heart?
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My party (lvl 7; Rogue, Cleric, Fighter, Paladin and Warlock) is investigating a demon portal, and we try to obtain as much info as possible before entering it. We learned that it is kept open by the magical force of something or someone, and it will probably close when we destroy that person or object. We've come to believe that the object might be the heart of an NPC. To make a long story short, she was cursed to do stuff for an evil God, and probably summoned some demons right before we broke the curse. Those demons opened the gate, but the NPC doesn't remember specifics of the time she was cursed, probably to repress all the horrible things she did with undead and stuff.
We felt her pulse, and she has none. But still, my party is in doubt - it might be because she has no heart, or it might be that she has a heart but it is just not beating.
Here an interesting discussion started regarding the use of Locate Object, with the conclusion that officially it is probably not allowed, but the rule of cool might apply.
This left me to wonder, what other methods would be available to a 7th level party to determine whether a (human) create has his/her heart on the right place (literally) which would not kill/do permanent damage to the creature?
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My party (lvl 7; Rogue, Cleric, Fighter, Paladin and Warlock) is investigating a demon portal, and we try to obtain as much info as possible before entering it. We learned that it is kept open by the magical force of something or someone, and it will probably close when we destroy that person or object. We've come to believe that the object might be the heart of an NPC. To make a long story short, she was cursed to do stuff for an evil God, and probably summoned some demons right before we broke the curse. Those demons opened the gate, but the NPC doesn't remember specifics of the time she was cursed, probably to repress all the horrible things she did with undead and stuff.
We felt her pulse, and she has none. But still, my party is in doubt - it might be because she has no heart, or it might be that she has a heart but it is just not beating.
Here an interesting discussion started regarding the use of Locate Object, with the conclusion that officially it is probably not allowed, but the rule of cool might apply.
This left me to wonder, what other methods would be available to a 7th level party to determine whether a (human) create has his/her heart on the right place (literally) which would not kill/do permanent damage to the creature?
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Knowing the exact party composition would help. Is outside help available (eg. casters for hire)? If yes, what type/power?
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– Szega
1 hour ago
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Temporary death is excluded as well?
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– AntiDrondert
1 hour ago
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There are couple o meanings of "creature has a heart": 1) This particular creature has heart inside 2) there exist a heart of this particular creature, somewhere, in some form 3) this race / monster is supposed to have a heart. Probably more. So which one is the one meaning your question is about? I'm not sure, sorry.
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– Mołot
1 hour ago
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Temporary death is an option (wouldn't be the first time for this particular NPC), but we have no way of bringing her back. The only high casting class in the neighbourhood has been killed by demons she summoned.
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– Hans Wouters
1 hour ago
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@Mołot We're trying to determine whether this female woman has her own heart inside of her body. Being human, we know she is supposed to have a heart.
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My party (lvl 7; Rogue, Cleric, Fighter, Paladin and Warlock) is investigating a demon portal, and we try to obtain as much info as possible before entering it. We learned that it is kept open by the magical force of something or someone, and it will probably close when we destroy that person or object. We've come to believe that the object might be the heart of an NPC. To make a long story short, she was cursed to do stuff for an evil God, and probably summoned some demons right before we broke the curse. Those demons opened the gate, but the NPC doesn't remember specifics of the time she was cursed, probably to repress all the horrible things she did with undead and stuff.
We felt her pulse, and she has none. But still, my party is in doubt - it might be because she has no heart, or it might be that she has a heart but it is just not beating.
Here an interesting discussion started regarding the use of Locate Object, with the conclusion that officially it is probably not allowed, but the rule of cool might apply.
This left me to wonder, what other methods would be available to a 7th level party to determine whether a (human) create has his/her heart on the right place (literally) which would not kill/do permanent damage to the creature?
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My party (lvl 7; Rogue, Cleric, Fighter, Paladin and Warlock) is investigating a demon portal, and we try to obtain as much info as possible before entering it. We learned that it is kept open by the magical force of something or someone, and it will probably close when we destroy that person or object. We've come to believe that the object might be the heart of an NPC. To make a long story short, she was cursed to do stuff for an evil God, and probably summoned some demons right before we broke the curse. Those demons opened the gate, but the NPC doesn't remember specifics of the time she was cursed, probably to repress all the horrible things she did with undead and stuff.
We felt her pulse, and she has none. But still, my party is in doubt - it might be because she has no heart, or it might be that she has a heart but it is just not beating.
Here an interesting discussion started regarding the use of Locate Object, with the conclusion that officially it is probably not allowed, but the rule of cool might apply.
This left me to wonder, what other methods would be available to a 7th level party to determine whether a (human) create has his/her heart on the right place (literally) which would not kill/do permanent damage to the creature?
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Knowing the exact party composition would help. Is outside help available (eg. casters for hire)? If yes, what type/power?
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– Szega
1 hour ago
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Temporary death is excluded as well?
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– AntiDrondert
1 hour ago
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There are couple o meanings of "creature has a heart": 1) This particular creature has heart inside 2) there exist a heart of this particular creature, somewhere, in some form 3) this race / monster is supposed to have a heart. Probably more. So which one is the one meaning your question is about? I'm not sure, sorry.
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– Mołot
1 hour ago
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Temporary death is an option (wouldn't be the first time for this particular NPC), but we have no way of bringing her back. The only high casting class in the neighbourhood has been killed by demons she summoned.
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– Hans Wouters
1 hour ago
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@Mołot We're trying to determine whether this female woman has her own heart inside of her body. Being human, we know she is supposed to have a heart.
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– Hans Wouters
1 hour ago
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Knowing the exact party composition would help. Is outside help available (eg. casters for hire)? If yes, what type/power?
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– Szega
1 hour ago
1
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Temporary death is excluded as well?
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– AntiDrondert
1 hour ago
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There are couple o meanings of "creature has a heart": 1) This particular creature has heart inside 2) there exist a heart of this particular creature, somewhere, in some form 3) this race / monster is supposed to have a heart. Probably more. So which one is the one meaning your question is about? I'm not sure, sorry.
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– Mołot
1 hour ago
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Temporary death is an option (wouldn't be the first time for this particular NPC), but we have no way of bringing her back. The only high casting class in the neighbourhood has been killed by demons she summoned.
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– Hans Wouters
1 hour ago
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@Mołot We're trying to determine whether this female woman has her own heart inside of her body. Being human, we know she is supposed to have a heart.
$endgroup$
– Hans Wouters
1 hour ago
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Knowing the exact party composition would help. Is outside help available (eg. casters for hire)? If yes, what type/power?
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– Szega
1 hour ago
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Knowing the exact party composition would help. Is outside help available (eg. casters for hire)? If yes, what type/power?
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– Szega
1 hour ago
1
1
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Temporary death is excluded as well?
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– AntiDrondert
1 hour ago
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Temporary death is excluded as well?
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
1 hour ago
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There are couple o meanings of "creature has a heart": 1) This particular creature has heart inside 2) there exist a heart of this particular creature, somewhere, in some form 3) this race / monster is supposed to have a heart. Probably more. So which one is the one meaning your question is about? I'm not sure, sorry.
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– Mołot
1 hour ago
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There are couple o meanings of "creature has a heart": 1) This particular creature has heart inside 2) there exist a heart of this particular creature, somewhere, in some form 3) this race / monster is supposed to have a heart. Probably more. So which one is the one meaning your question is about? I'm not sure, sorry.
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– Mołot
1 hour ago
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Temporary death is an option (wouldn't be the first time for this particular NPC), but we have no way of bringing her back. The only high casting class in the neighbourhood has been killed by demons she summoned.
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– Hans Wouters
1 hour ago
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Temporary death is an option (wouldn't be the first time for this particular NPC), but we have no way of bringing her back. The only high casting class in the neighbourhood has been killed by demons she summoned.
$endgroup$
– Hans Wouters
1 hour ago
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@Mołot We're trying to determine whether this female woman has her own heart inside of her body. Being human, we know she is supposed to have a heart.
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– Hans Wouters
1 hour ago
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@Mołot We're trying to determine whether this female woman has her own heart inside of her body. Being human, we know she is supposed to have a heart.
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1 hour ago
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Divination spell
Level 7 Cleric has access to the Divination spell, which allows them to "ask a single question concerning a specific goal":
Your magic and an offering put you in contact with a god or a god's servants. You ask a single question concerning a specific goal, event, or activity to occur within 7 days. The GM offers a truthful reply. The reply might be a short phrase, a cryptic rhyme, or an omen.
Unless you ask out of pure curiosity, I guess you have a specific goal considering her heart. Ask about this goal ("what happens if we do X"). The GM must answer truthfuly.
answered 52 mins ago
enkryptorenkryptor
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Another application of divination magic is Augury, you can try to foretell it as "if we kill her and perform an autopsy, will we find a heart?".
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– AntiDrondert
38 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert Augury doesn't answer "yes" or "no", it says about "good" or "bad" results about actions you are planning, which is unclear in the given context. That's why I didn't include it.
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– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert Augury is about "specific course of action that you plan to take within the next 30 minutes.". If they do not really plan to kill NPC within next 30 minutes, augury will provide no answer.
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– Mołot
27 mins ago
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@Mołot IMO, Augury is specificaly designed to help people to avoid making suboptimal decisions, so it should give the answer nonetheless. They can devise a plan, but not execute it.
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– AntiDrondert
24 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert yes, it is designed to allow for change of plans. It just do not work for actions no one is planning to do anyway. And form the question, party is planning not to kill NPC.
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There are options that might work, except Divination in another answer:
A Wisdom (Medicine) check - it allows diagnosing illness. If you can diagnose heart illness with it, diagnosing heart presence should be possible as well. Of course, this is DM-dependent, and magical reasons may render it impossible.
Detect Magic - if it's human and there is no magic, then she has a working heart, so at the very least it can prove existence, even if it can't prove nonexistence of heart. Of course, you will also have to be sure she is human.
Commune spell - similar to Divination. Would require magic item (scroll looks easiest) to use as you probably don't have access yet.
Legend Lore - in a very, very specific case it all happened before and there was a legend about it.
Cutting someone open under Regeneration spell - again DM-dependant because there simply are no rules about such surgeries. Looks reasonable, given that severed limbs reattach immediately under this spell, and all you need is to take one little peak.
In previous editions there also used to be spells specifically targeting heart of a target creature, but it looks like they are gone now.
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Commune is a 5-level spell, inaccessible for a 7-level Cleric.
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– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@enkryptor looks like it might be, from a scroll rpg.stackexchange.com/a/76897/10642 Added note in my answer.
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24 mins ago
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Divination spell
Level 7 Cleric has access to the Divination spell, which allows them to "ask a single question concerning a specific goal":
Your magic and an offering put you in contact with a god or a god's servants. You ask a single question concerning a specific goal, event, or activity to occur within 7 days. The GM offers a truthful reply. The reply might be a short phrase, a cryptic rhyme, or an omen.
Unless you ask out of pure curiosity, I guess you have a specific goal considering her heart. Ask about this goal ("what happens if we do X"). The GM must answer truthfuly.
answered 52 mins ago
enkryptorenkryptor
25.1k1288203
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Another application of divination magic is Augury, you can try to foretell it as "if we kill her and perform an autopsy, will we find a heart?".
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– AntiDrondert
38 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert Augury doesn't answer "yes" or "no", it says about "good" or "bad" results about actions you are planning, which is unclear in the given context. That's why I didn't include it.
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– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert Augury is about "specific course of action that you plan to take within the next 30 minutes.". If they do not really plan to kill NPC within next 30 minutes, augury will provide no answer.
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– Mołot
27 mins ago
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@Mołot IMO, Augury is specificaly designed to help people to avoid making suboptimal decisions, so it should give the answer nonetheless. They can devise a plan, but not execute it.
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– AntiDrondert
24 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert yes, it is designed to allow for change of plans. It just do not work for actions no one is planning to do anyway. And form the question, party is planning not to kill NPC.
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– Mołot
22 mins ago
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Divination spell
Level 7 Cleric has access to the Divination spell, which allows them to "ask a single question concerning a specific goal":
Your magic and an offering put you in contact with a god or a god's servants. You ask a single question concerning a specific goal, event, or activity to occur within 7 days. The GM offers a truthful reply. The reply might be a short phrase, a cryptic rhyme, or an omen.
Unless you ask out of pure curiosity, I guess you have a specific goal considering her heart. Ask about this goal ("what happens if we do X"). The GM must answer truthfuly.
answered 52 mins ago
enkryptorenkryptor
25.1k1288203
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Another application of divination magic is Augury, you can try to foretell it as "if we kill her and perform an autopsy, will we find a heart?".
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
38 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert Augury doesn't answer "yes" or "no", it says about "good" or "bad" results about actions you are planning, which is unclear in the given context. That's why I didn't include it.
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– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert Augury is about "specific course of action that you plan to take within the next 30 minutes.". If they do not really plan to kill NPC within next 30 minutes, augury will provide no answer.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
27 mins ago
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@Mołot IMO, Augury is specificaly designed to help people to avoid making suboptimal decisions, so it should give the answer nonetheless. They can devise a plan, but not execute it.
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
24 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert yes, it is designed to allow for change of plans. It just do not work for actions no one is planning to do anyway. And form the question, party is planning not to kill NPC.
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– Mołot
22 mins ago
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show 1 more comment
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Divination spell
Level 7 Cleric has access to the Divination spell, which allows them to "ask a single question concerning a specific goal":
Your magic and an offering put you in contact with a god or a god's servants. You ask a single question concerning a specific goal, event, or activity to occur within 7 days. The GM offers a truthful reply. The reply might be a short phrase, a cryptic rhyme, or an omen.
Unless you ask out of pure curiosity, I guess you have a specific goal considering her heart. Ask about this goal ("what happens if we do X"). The GM must answer truthfuly.
answered 52 mins ago
enkryptorenkryptor
25.1k1288203
$endgroup$
Divination spell
Level 7 Cleric has access to the Divination spell, which allows them to "ask a single question concerning a specific goal":
Your magic and an offering put you in contact with a god or a god's servants. You ask a single question concerning a specific goal, event, or activity to occur within 7 days. The GM offers a truthful reply. The reply might be a short phrase, a cryptic rhyme, or an omen.
Unless you ask out of pure curiosity, I guess you have a specific goal considering her heart. Ask about this goal ("what happens if we do X"). The GM must answer truthfuly.
answered 52 mins ago
enkryptorenkryptor
25.1k1288203
answered 52 mins ago
enkryptorenkryptor
25.1k1288203
answered 52 mins ago
enkryptorenkryptor
25.1k1288203
answered 52 mins ago
enkryptorenkryptor
25.1k1288203
25.1k1288203
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Another application of divination magic is Augury, you can try to foretell it as "if we kill her and perform an autopsy, will we find a heart?".
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
38 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert Augury doesn't answer "yes" or "no", it says about "good" or "bad" results about actions you are planning, which is unclear in the given context. That's why I didn't include it.
$endgroup$
– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert Augury is about "specific course of action that you plan to take within the next 30 minutes.". If they do not really plan to kill NPC within next 30 minutes, augury will provide no answer.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
27 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Mołot IMO, Augury is specificaly designed to help people to avoid making suboptimal decisions, so it should give the answer nonetheless. They can devise a plan, but not execute it.
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
24 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert yes, it is designed to allow for change of plans. It just do not work for actions no one is planning to do anyway. And form the question, party is planning not to kill NPC.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
22 mins ago
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show 1 more comment
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Another application of divination magic is Augury, you can try to foretell it as "if we kill her and perform an autopsy, will we find a heart?".
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
38 mins ago
$begingroup$
@AntiDrondert Augury doesn't answer "yes" or "no", it says about "good" or "bad" results about actions you are planning, which is unclear in the given context. That's why I didn't include it.
$endgroup$
– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert Augury is about "specific course of action that you plan to take within the next 30 minutes.". If they do not really plan to kill NPC within next 30 minutes, augury will provide no answer.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
27 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Mołot IMO, Augury is specificaly designed to help people to avoid making suboptimal decisions, so it should give the answer nonetheless. They can devise a plan, but not execute it.
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
24 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert yes, it is designed to allow for change of plans. It just do not work for actions no one is planning to do anyway. And form the question, party is planning not to kill NPC.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
22 mins ago
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Another application of divination magic is Augury, you can try to foretell it as "if we kill her and perform an autopsy, will we find a heart?".
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
38 mins ago
$begingroup$
Another application of divination magic is Augury, you can try to foretell it as "if we kill her and perform an autopsy, will we find a heart?".
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
38 mins ago
$begingroup$
@AntiDrondert Augury doesn't answer "yes" or "no", it says about "good" or "bad" results about actions you are planning, which is unclear in the given context. That's why I didn't include it.
$endgroup$
– enkryptor
28 mins ago
$begingroup$
@AntiDrondert Augury doesn't answer "yes" or "no", it says about "good" or "bad" results about actions you are planning, which is unclear in the given context. That's why I didn't include it.
$endgroup$
– enkryptor
28 mins ago
$begingroup$
@AntiDrondert Augury is about "specific course of action that you plan to take within the next 30 minutes.". If they do not really plan to kill NPC within next 30 minutes, augury will provide no answer.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
27 mins ago
$begingroup$
@AntiDrondert Augury is about "specific course of action that you plan to take within the next 30 minutes.". If they do not really plan to kill NPC within next 30 minutes, augury will provide no answer.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
27 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Mołot IMO, Augury is specificaly designed to help people to avoid making suboptimal decisions, so it should give the answer nonetheless. They can devise a plan, but not execute it.
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
24 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Mołot IMO, Augury is specificaly designed to help people to avoid making suboptimal decisions, so it should give the answer nonetheless. They can devise a plan, but not execute it.
$endgroup$
– AntiDrondert
24 mins ago
$begingroup$
@AntiDrondert yes, it is designed to allow for change of plans. It just do not work for actions no one is planning to do anyway. And form the question, party is planning not to kill NPC.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
22 mins ago
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@AntiDrondert yes, it is designed to allow for change of plans. It just do not work for actions no one is planning to do anyway. And form the question, party is planning not to kill NPC.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
22 mins ago
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There are options that might work, except Divination in another answer:
A Wisdom (Medicine) check - it allows diagnosing illness. If you can diagnose heart illness with it, diagnosing heart presence should be possible as well. Of course, this is DM-dependent, and magical reasons may render it impossible.
Detect Magic - if it's human and there is no magic, then she has a working heart, so at the very least it can prove existence, even if it can't prove nonexistence of heart. Of course, you will also have to be sure she is human.
Commune spell - similar to Divination. Would require magic item (scroll looks easiest) to use as you probably don't have access yet.
Legend Lore - in a very, very specific case it all happened before and there was a legend about it.
Cutting someone open under Regeneration spell - again DM-dependant because there simply are no rules about such surgeries. Looks reasonable, given that severed limbs reattach immediately under this spell, and all you need is to take one little peak.
In previous editions there also used to be spells specifically targeting heart of a target creature, but it looks like they are gone now.
answered 43 mins ago
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Commune is a 5-level spell, inaccessible for a 7-level Cleric.
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– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@enkryptor looks like it might be, from a scroll rpg.stackexchange.com/a/76897/10642 Added note in my answer.
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– Mołot
24 mins ago
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There are options that might work, except Divination in another answer:
A Wisdom (Medicine) check - it allows diagnosing illness. If you can diagnose heart illness with it, diagnosing heart presence should be possible as well. Of course, this is DM-dependent, and magical reasons may render it impossible.
Detect Magic - if it's human and there is no magic, then she has a working heart, so at the very least it can prove existence, even if it can't prove nonexistence of heart. Of course, you will also have to be sure she is human.
Commune spell - similar to Divination. Would require magic item (scroll looks easiest) to use as you probably don't have access yet.
Legend Lore - in a very, very specific case it all happened before and there was a legend about it.
Cutting someone open under Regeneration spell - again DM-dependant because there simply are no rules about such surgeries. Looks reasonable, given that severed limbs reattach immediately under this spell, and all you need is to take one little peak.
In previous editions there also used to be spells specifically targeting heart of a target creature, but it looks like they are gone now.
answered 43 mins ago
MołotMołot
5,45213160
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Commune is a 5-level spell, inaccessible for a 7-level Cleric.
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– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@enkryptor looks like it might be, from a scroll rpg.stackexchange.com/a/76897/10642 Added note in my answer.
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– Mołot
24 mins ago
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There are options that might work, except Divination in another answer:
A Wisdom (Medicine) check - it allows diagnosing illness. If you can diagnose heart illness with it, diagnosing heart presence should be possible as well. Of course, this is DM-dependent, and magical reasons may render it impossible.
Detect Magic - if it's human and there is no magic, then she has a working heart, so at the very least it can prove existence, even if it can't prove nonexistence of heart. Of course, you will also have to be sure she is human.
Commune spell - similar to Divination. Would require magic item (scroll looks easiest) to use as you probably don't have access yet.
Legend Lore - in a very, very specific case it all happened before and there was a legend about it.
Cutting someone open under Regeneration spell - again DM-dependant because there simply are no rules about such surgeries. Looks reasonable, given that severed limbs reattach immediately under this spell, and all you need is to take one little peak.
In previous editions there also used to be spells specifically targeting heart of a target creature, but it looks like they are gone now.
answered 43 mins ago
MołotMołot
5,45213160
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There are options that might work, except Divination in another answer:
A Wisdom (Medicine) check - it allows diagnosing illness. If you can diagnose heart illness with it, diagnosing heart presence should be possible as well. Of course, this is DM-dependent, and magical reasons may render it impossible.
Detect Magic - if it's human and there is no magic, then she has a working heart, so at the very least it can prove existence, even if it can't prove nonexistence of heart. Of course, you will also have to be sure she is human.
Commune spell - similar to Divination. Would require magic item (scroll looks easiest) to use as you probably don't have access yet.
Legend Lore - in a very, very specific case it all happened before and there was a legend about it.
Cutting someone open under Regeneration spell - again DM-dependant because there simply are no rules about such surgeries. Looks reasonable, given that severed limbs reattach immediately under this spell, and all you need is to take one little peak.
In previous editions there also used to be spells specifically targeting heart of a target creature, but it looks like they are gone now.
answered 43 mins ago
MołotMołot
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answered 43 mins ago
MołotMołot
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answered 43 mins ago
MołotMołot
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answered 43 mins ago
MołotMołot
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5,45213160
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Commune is a 5-level spell, inaccessible for a 7-level Cleric.
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– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@enkryptor looks like it might be, from a scroll rpg.stackexchange.com/a/76897/10642 Added note in my answer.
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– Mołot
24 mins ago
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Commune is a 5-level spell, inaccessible for a 7-level Cleric.
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– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@enkryptor looks like it might be, from a scroll rpg.stackexchange.com/a/76897/10642 Added note in my answer.
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– Mołot
24 mins ago
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Commune is a 5-level spell, inaccessible for a 7-level Cleric.
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– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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Commune is a 5-level spell, inaccessible for a 7-level Cleric.
$endgroup$
– enkryptor
28 mins ago
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@enkryptor looks like it might be, from a scroll rpg.stackexchange.com/a/76897/10642 Added note in my answer.
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– Mołot
24 mins ago
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@enkryptor looks like it might be, from a scroll rpg.stackexchange.com/a/76897/10642 Added note in my answer.
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– Mołot
24 mins ago
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Knowing the exact party composition would help. Is outside help available (eg. casters for hire)? If yes, what type/power?
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– Szega
1 hour ago
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Temporary death is excluded as well?
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– AntiDrondert
1 hour ago
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There are couple o meanings of "creature has a heart": 1) This particular creature has heart inside 2) there exist a heart of this particular creature, somewhere, in some form 3) this race / monster is supposed to have a heart. Probably more. So which one is the one meaning your question is about? I'm not sure, sorry.
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– Mołot
1 hour ago
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Temporary death is an option (wouldn't be the first time for this particular NPC), but we have no way of bringing her back. The only high casting class in the neighbourhood has been killed by demons she summoned.
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– Hans Wouters
1 hour ago
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@Mołot We're trying to determine whether this female woman has her own heart inside of her body. Being human, we know she is supposed to have a heart.
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– Hans Wouters
1 hour ago