Suffixes -unt and -ut-












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I just discovered the two conditional suffixes on vortaro.net:





  • -ut- : la ofendutoj pardonu!


  • -unt- : eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!


But I don't understand the given exemples. Can someone help me translate, please ?






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    I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all

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I just discovered the two conditional suffixes on vortaro.net:





  • -ut- : la ofendutoj pardonu!


  • -unt- : eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!


But I don't understand the given exemples. Can someone help me translate, please ?






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    I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all

    – Cyril Robert Brosch
    9 hours ago














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I just discovered the two conditional suffixes on vortaro.net:





  • -ut- : la ofendutoj pardonu!


  • -unt- : eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!


But I don't understand the given exemples. Can someone help me translate, please ?






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I just discovered the two conditional suffixes on vortaro.net:





  • -ut- : la ofendutoj pardonu!


  • -unt- : eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!


But I don't understand the given exemples. Can someone help me translate, please ?






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    I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all

    – Cyril Robert Brosch
    9 hours ago














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    I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all

    – Cyril Robert Brosch
    9 hours ago








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I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all

– Cyril Robert Brosch
9 hours ago





I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all

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la ofendutoj pardonu




According to the definition in PIV, and much like other participles, ofenduto means iu, kiun oni ofendus; just like ofendito means iu, kiun oni ofendis. Thus la ofendutoj pardonu means more or less ‘Those who would be offended should forgive.’




eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!




I have no idea what this means either, even without the -unt-participle. But perfidunta means ‘such that it would betray’. So perfidunta homo = homo, kiu perfidus iun.



EDIT: As Vincent Oostelbos pointed out, the example sentence probably should be parsed as follows:




Mi volas ŝin, eĉ perfiduntan, mia!




Thus this would mean something like: ‘I want her to be mine, even if she would betray me.’






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    I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!

    – Vincent Oostelbos
    yesterday








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    Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.

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la ofendutoj pardonu




According to the definition in PIV, and much like other participles, ofenduto means iu, kiun oni ofendus; just like ofendito means iu, kiun oni ofendis. Thus la ofendutoj pardonu means more or less ‘Those who would be offended should forgive.’




eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!




I have no idea what this means either, even without the -unt-participle. But perfidunta means ‘such that it would betray’. So perfidunta homo = homo, kiu perfidus iun.



EDIT: As Vincent Oostelbos pointed out, the example sentence probably should be parsed as follows:




Mi volas ŝin, eĉ perfiduntan, mia!




Thus this would mean something like: ‘I want her to be mine, even if she would betray me.’






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    I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!

    – Vincent Oostelbos
    yesterday








  • 1





    Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.

    – Joffysloffy
    yesterday


















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la ofendutoj pardonu




According to the definition in PIV, and much like other participles, ofenduto means iu, kiun oni ofendus; just like ofendito means iu, kiun oni ofendis. Thus la ofendutoj pardonu means more or less ‘Those who would be offended should forgive.’




eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!




I have no idea what this means either, even without the -unt-participle. But perfidunta means ‘such that it would betray’. So perfidunta homo = homo, kiu perfidus iun.



EDIT: As Vincent Oostelbos pointed out, the example sentence probably should be parsed as follows:




Mi volas ŝin, eĉ perfiduntan, mia!




Thus this would mean something like: ‘I want her to be mine, even if she would betray me.’






share|improve this answer





















  • 1





    I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!

    – Vincent Oostelbos
    yesterday








  • 1





    Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.

    – Joffysloffy
    yesterday
















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la ofendutoj pardonu




According to the definition in PIV, and much like other participles, ofenduto means iu, kiun oni ofendus; just like ofendito means iu, kiun oni ofendis. Thus la ofendutoj pardonu means more or less ‘Those who would be offended should forgive.’




eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!




I have no idea what this means either, even without the -unt-participle. But perfidunta means ‘such that it would betray’. So perfidunta homo = homo, kiu perfidus iun.



EDIT: As Vincent Oostelbos pointed out, the example sentence probably should be parsed as follows:




Mi volas ŝin, eĉ perfiduntan, mia!




Thus this would mean something like: ‘I want her to be mine, even if she would betray me.’






share|improve this answer
















la ofendutoj pardonu




According to the definition in PIV, and much like other participles, ofenduto means iu, kiun oni ofendus; just like ofendito means iu, kiun oni ofendis. Thus la ofendutoj pardonu means more or less ‘Those who would be offended should forgive.’




eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!




I have no idea what this means either, even without the -unt-participle. But perfidunta means ‘such that it would betray’. So perfidunta homo = homo, kiu perfidus iun.



EDIT: As Vincent Oostelbos pointed out, the example sentence probably should be parsed as follows:




Mi volas ŝin, eĉ perfiduntan, mia!




Thus this would mean something like: ‘I want her to be mine, even if she would betray me.’







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    I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!

    – Vincent Oostelbos
    yesterday








  • 1





    Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.

    – Joffysloffy
    yesterday
















  • 1





    I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!

    – Vincent Oostelbos
    yesterday








  • 1





    Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.

    – Joffysloffy
    yesterday










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I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!

– Vincent Oostelbos
yesterday







I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!

– Vincent Oostelbos
yesterday






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Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.

– Joffysloffy
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Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.

– Joffysloffy
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