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I have recently joined the cycling world after committing to losing weight. I am a heavy rider at about 28st (390 lbs) and have after some advice gone for a GT Avalanche. I have had the bike less than a month and only have around 15 miles on the bike.



I use the bike to travel to work which varies from light off road to road.



I was riding back from work and realised that the wheel had started to buckle. Upon getting home I have noticed that some of the spokes were loose. Is this normal and if not is it due to the weight the bike is being asked to carry? Will a home fix be enough to mend the issue?



Update:



I have contacted the seller who has advised me to get booked for their free 6 week service where they can service the bike and they can also true the wheels.



The question I have now is until I am able to get the bike serviced am I able as a temporary measure able to fix this at home and use it as I use the bike for getting to and from work?










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    Do you carry a backpack or any other items which can be left out? Your wheel is probably not rated for the requirements, so its failing slowly. On the other hand - you're doing the right thing with your commitments, which will help. Persevere with riding, don't let this put you off.

    – Criggie
    10 hours ago






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    I will note that the Avalanche appears to normally have 32 spoke wheels, pretty much the bare minimum for a bike subject to stressful riding (and a 390 pound rider is very stressful). Whoever gave you the "advice" to buy this bike was not very knowledgeable.

    – Daniel R Hicks
    10 hours ago






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    I never stop to be impressed how the imperial system is overly complex for nothing. Thank you for introducing me to yet another weight unit.

    – Puck
    9 hours ago






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    Bravo on your commitment to losing weight John! Chapeau.

    – Daniel Shillcock
    9 hours ago






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    @DanielRHicks In this particular case one might recommend at least 36-spoke wheels built with tandem-grade spokes, rims and hubs. Tandems or even triples have to cope with heavier loads than 390lbs.

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I have recently joined the cycling world after committing to losing weight. I am a heavy rider at about 28st (390 lbs) and have after some advice gone for a GT Avalanche. I have had the bike less than a month and only have around 15 miles on the bike.



I use the bike to travel to work which varies from light off road to road.



I was riding back from work and realised that the wheel had started to buckle. Upon getting home I have noticed that some of the spokes were loose. Is this normal and if not is it due to the weight the bike is being asked to carry? Will a home fix be enough to mend the issue?



Update:



I have contacted the seller who has advised me to get booked for their free 6 week service where they can service the bike and they can also true the wheels.



The question I have now is until I am able to get the bike serviced am I able as a temporary measure able to fix this at home and use it as I use the bike for getting to and from work?










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    Do you carry a backpack or any other items which can be left out? Your wheel is probably not rated for the requirements, so its failing slowly. On the other hand - you're doing the right thing with your commitments, which will help. Persevere with riding, don't let this put you off.

    – Criggie
    10 hours ago






  • 2





    I will note that the Avalanche appears to normally have 32 spoke wheels, pretty much the bare minimum for a bike subject to stressful riding (and a 390 pound rider is very stressful). Whoever gave you the "advice" to buy this bike was not very knowledgeable.

    – Daniel R Hicks
    10 hours ago






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    I never stop to be impressed how the imperial system is overly complex for nothing. Thank you for introducing me to yet another weight unit.

    – Puck
    9 hours ago






  • 2





    Bravo on your commitment to losing weight John! Chapeau.

    – Daniel Shillcock
    9 hours ago






  • 4





    @DanielRHicks In this particular case one might recommend at least 36-spoke wheels built with tandem-grade spokes, rims and hubs. Tandems or even triples have to cope with heavier loads than 390lbs.

    – Carel
    8 hours ago
















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I have recently joined the cycling world after committing to losing weight. I am a heavy rider at about 28st (390 lbs) and have after some advice gone for a GT Avalanche. I have had the bike less than a month and only have around 15 miles on the bike.



I use the bike to travel to work which varies from light off road to road.



I was riding back from work and realised that the wheel had started to buckle. Upon getting home I have noticed that some of the spokes were loose. Is this normal and if not is it due to the weight the bike is being asked to carry? Will a home fix be enough to mend the issue?



Update:



I have contacted the seller who has advised me to get booked for their free 6 week service where they can service the bike and they can also true the wheels.



The question I have now is until I am able to get the bike serviced am I able as a temporary measure able to fix this at home and use it as I use the bike for getting to and from work?










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I have recently joined the cycling world after committing to losing weight. I am a heavy rider at about 28st (390 lbs) and have after some advice gone for a GT Avalanche. I have had the bike less than a month and only have around 15 miles on the bike.



I use the bike to travel to work which varies from light off road to road.



I was riding back from work and realised that the wheel had started to buckle. Upon getting home I have noticed that some of the spokes were loose. Is this normal and if not is it due to the weight the bike is being asked to carry? Will a home fix be enough to mend the issue?



Update:



I have contacted the seller who has advised me to get booked for their free 6 week service where they can service the bike and they can also true the wheels.



The question I have now is until I am able to get the bike serviced am I able as a temporary measure able to fix this at home and use it as I use the bike for getting to and from work?







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    Do you carry a backpack or any other items which can be left out? Your wheel is probably not rated for the requirements, so its failing slowly. On the other hand - you're doing the right thing with your commitments, which will help. Persevere with riding, don't let this put you off.

    – Criggie
    10 hours ago






  • 2





    I will note that the Avalanche appears to normally have 32 spoke wheels, pretty much the bare minimum for a bike subject to stressful riding (and a 390 pound rider is very stressful). Whoever gave you the "advice" to buy this bike was not very knowledgeable.

    – Daniel R Hicks
    10 hours ago






  • 4





    I never stop to be impressed how the imperial system is overly complex for nothing. Thank you for introducing me to yet another weight unit.

    – Puck
    9 hours ago






  • 2





    Bravo on your commitment to losing weight John! Chapeau.

    – Daniel Shillcock
    9 hours ago






  • 4





    @DanielRHicks In this particular case one might recommend at least 36-spoke wheels built with tandem-grade spokes, rims and hubs. Tandems or even triples have to cope with heavier loads than 390lbs.

    – Carel
    8 hours ago
















  • 3





    Do you carry a backpack or any other items which can be left out? Your wheel is probably not rated for the requirements, so its failing slowly. On the other hand - you're doing the right thing with your commitments, which will help. Persevere with riding, don't let this put you off.

    – Criggie
    10 hours ago






  • 2





    I will note that the Avalanche appears to normally have 32 spoke wheels, pretty much the bare minimum for a bike subject to stressful riding (and a 390 pound rider is very stressful). Whoever gave you the "advice" to buy this bike was not very knowledgeable.

    – Daniel R Hicks
    10 hours ago






  • 4





    I never stop to be impressed how the imperial system is overly complex for nothing. Thank you for introducing me to yet another weight unit.

    – Puck
    9 hours ago






  • 2





    Bravo on your commitment to losing weight John! Chapeau.

    – Daniel Shillcock
    9 hours ago






  • 4





    @DanielRHicks In this particular case one might recommend at least 36-spoke wheels built with tandem-grade spokes, rims and hubs. Tandems or even triples have to cope with heavier loads than 390lbs.

    – Carel
    8 hours ago










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Do you carry a backpack or any other items which can be left out? Your wheel is probably not rated for the requirements, so its failing slowly. On the other hand - you're doing the right thing with your commitments, which will help. Persevere with riding, don't let this put you off.

– Criggie
10 hours ago





Do you carry a backpack or any other items which can be left out? Your wheel is probably not rated for the requirements, so its failing slowly. On the other hand - you're doing the right thing with your commitments, which will help. Persevere with riding, don't let this put you off.

– Criggie
10 hours ago




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I will note that the Avalanche appears to normally have 32 spoke wheels, pretty much the bare minimum for a bike subject to stressful riding (and a 390 pound rider is very stressful). Whoever gave you the "advice" to buy this bike was not very knowledgeable.

– Daniel R Hicks
10 hours ago





I will note that the Avalanche appears to normally have 32 spoke wheels, pretty much the bare minimum for a bike subject to stressful riding (and a 390 pound rider is very stressful). Whoever gave you the "advice" to buy this bike was not very knowledgeable.

– Daniel R Hicks
10 hours ago




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I never stop to be impressed how the imperial system is overly complex for nothing. Thank you for introducing me to yet another weight unit.

– Puck
9 hours ago





I never stop to be impressed how the imperial system is overly complex for nothing. Thank you for introducing me to yet another weight unit.

– Puck
9 hours ago




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Bravo on your commitment to losing weight John! Chapeau.

– Daniel Shillcock
9 hours ago





Bravo on your commitment to losing weight John! Chapeau.

– Daniel Shillcock
9 hours ago




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@DanielRHicks In this particular case one might recommend at least 36-spoke wheels built with tandem-grade spokes, rims and hubs. Tandems or even triples have to cope with heavier loads than 390lbs.

– Carel
8 hours ago







@DanielRHicks In this particular case one might recommend at least 36-spoke wheels built with tandem-grade spokes, rims and hubs. Tandems or even triples have to cope with heavier loads than 390lbs.

– Carel
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Unfortunately, most bikes are only rated to 300lbs or less. However, if this is a new bike, you should take it back to the shop and get them to fix it. They can't claim they didn't know you were a heavy rider when they sold you the bike.



You might need to get more substantial wheels with more spokes. Wheels designed for touring bikes might be more appropriate. Also, when riding, you need to be careful to avoid potholes and other bumps in the road and don't go up and down kerbs. If you can't avoid a bump, lift your weight off the saddle so your legs and arms are acting as suspension – this applies to riders of any weight and it's more comfortable for you as well as the bike!






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  • You have a good point, would it not be worth trying to tighten or make sure they are tight before every journey or would this not have much of an impact?

    – John
    12 hours ago






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    I don't know a huge amount about wheels, to be honest. But having to tighten spokes regularly indicates that there's a deeper underlying problem. Hopefully somebody with more direct knowledge will chime in

    – David Richerby
    11 hours ago











  • Usually you’ll notice loose spokes because the wheel goes out of true. With rim brakes this is very noticeable because the rim will rub against the brakes.

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Spokes getting loose is not a laughing matter. The more spokes get loose or break, the more uneven the load is distributed to the spokes, and the more likely other spokes are to get loose or break. Accumulate enough failed spokes, and your wheel fails. And failed spokes after only 24km means that something is very wrong with the wheel's built.



As such, your wheel definitely needs to be rebuilt immediately.



When the wheel is rebuilt, it needs to be rebuilt such that no spoke can ever loose tension when you use it. Most importantly, that means that the spokes must have even tension, but also that their tension must be high enough. I'd recommend giving the wheel to a professional builder, and to tell them that the wheel is supposed to carry you. Hopefully, they'll be able to produce a built of high enough quality to avoid repetition of the failure.



What you can do to reduce the likelihood of failure, is to avoid accelerating too hard: The force you can put on the chain is much higher than the force a 70kg person can put on the chain. And that force on the chain is directly proportional to the torque that your spokes need to deliver to the rim. If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel. Just try to take acceleration a bit more slowly until you have lost weight.






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    "If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel." - over-egging the pudding here??

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    @LamarLatrell I know how I used to kill spokes until I learned to build my wheels with near perfect even tension, and the OP is a lot heavier than I ever was. If you assume that the chain-wheel radius is half the length of the crank, that's 353kg of tension on the chain. Multiply with a sprocket radius of 10cm, and you get 347Nm torque on the wheel. Assume 36 spokes at a 10% angle and an inner rim radius of 30cm, and you arrive at a dynamic load of about 320N per spoke (about 32kg). For the unloaded spokes to retain 60N tension, the loaded spokes must endure 700N. Much more for a dished wheel.

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  • Circumference of a 10cm radius rear cog = 2π100 = 628mm. 628/12.7mm = 49 tooth cog....

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  • @LamarLatrell Ok, it was a rough estimation. But the important point is, that a 176kg rider puts 176/70 = 2.5 times the dynamic tension on the spokes as a 70kg rider does. As I said: I used to kill a lot of spokes, and even though I'm much lighter than the OP, I always heard the "pang" of a breaking spoke when I was accelerating hard.

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Loose spokes and buckling wheels on a new bike are definitely not normal.



That could be incorrect assembly but may also be a result of the weight of the rider and not getting the right advice:



The design specifications in the GT tech manual book list "330 lbs / 150 kg" as the maximum weight limit for that model. Although not explicitly mentioned for the Avalanche I assume that is the limit for the combined weight of the rider and all gear.






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  • Okay, initially would a home fix work or would i need to get it looked at?

    – John
    12 hours ago






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    On a brand new bike I would expect a reputable seller to take responsibility for this and sort it out for you.

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  • I agree and i am in the process of getting them to sort it however i need to be able to ride the bike in the meantime as it's used for commuting to work

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  • I wouldn't bother with a home fix. It's dangerous if you don't know what you are doing and won't really help. Take the bike back to the shop asap! Ask them to help you straight away. It sucks not being to able to ride your new bike.

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It is possible to re-tension loose spokes at home, using a spoke key and the frame of the bicycle as a truing stand. In your case I would not do so.



If the wheel started to fail so quickly from new, I think it would fail again even faster with a home repair. In the worse case the wheel could fail catastrophically injuring you and damaging the bike. In the best case you get stranded.



When you take the bike in for service, the repair shop will hopefully be able to re-build the wheel. They may be able to build it to a higher strength than it was originally by increasing the spoke tension, but it may fail again of course. If the wheel can't be re-built or fails again, you can consider getting a stronger replacement wheel with a higher spoke count and heavier gauge spokes.






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    For your weight, you either need to find reliable wheel builder who will make wheels for you, or you need to become one. Possibly both in that order.



    Wheel will be most important part of your bicycle and you should strive to put best components in it, and be sure it is built with your weight in mind.



    Unwinding of spokes is almost certainly result of not enough of tension on them for your weight. To be able to put enough tension, you need as many spokes as you can, and very strong rim. It should have no less than 36 spokes, heavy duty rim like rigida sputnik or andre, and double butted spokes.






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      I completely agree with the accepted answer of @David Richerby from personal experience.



      As a heavier rider (~22 stone) for many years, I also found with a couple of different bicycles that the rear wheel tended to come out of true, especially when hitting bumps and potholes.



      My solution was to replace the rear wheel with a touring wheel with more spokes, and I can ride over speed bumps etc. with less worry, although I do ride them standing on the pedals to reduce the force through the seatpost.



      I also learned how to true a wheel reasonably, and to keep it trued and correctly tensioned, because shocks have less effect on a properly balanced wheel. It needs mostly patience and care, and something simple to act as a reference marker.






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      I would suggest that if visited the shop and they helped you choose the bike then they should exchange the bike for something more appropriate.
      Clearly the bike is not suitable otherwise the issue you raised would not have occurred.






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        Unfortunately, most bikes are only rated to 300lbs or less. However, if this is a new bike, you should take it back to the shop and get them to fix it. They can't claim they didn't know you were a heavy rider when they sold you the bike.



        You might need to get more substantial wheels with more spokes. Wheels designed for touring bikes might be more appropriate. Also, when riding, you need to be careful to avoid potholes and other bumps in the road and don't go up and down kerbs. If you can't avoid a bump, lift your weight off the saddle so your legs and arms are acting as suspension – this applies to riders of any weight and it's more comfortable for you as well as the bike!






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        • You have a good point, would it not be worth trying to tighten or make sure they are tight before every journey or would this not have much of an impact?

          – John
          12 hours ago






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          I don't know a huge amount about wheels, to be honest. But having to tighten spokes regularly indicates that there's a deeper underlying problem. Hopefully somebody with more direct knowledge will chime in

          – David Richerby
          11 hours ago











        • Usually you’ll notice loose spokes because the wheel goes out of true. With rim brakes this is very noticeable because the rim will rub against the brakes.

          – Michael
          7 hours ago


















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        Unfortunately, most bikes are only rated to 300lbs or less. However, if this is a new bike, you should take it back to the shop and get them to fix it. They can't claim they didn't know you were a heavy rider when they sold you the bike.



        You might need to get more substantial wheels with more spokes. Wheels designed for touring bikes might be more appropriate. Also, when riding, you need to be careful to avoid potholes and other bumps in the road and don't go up and down kerbs. If you can't avoid a bump, lift your weight off the saddle so your legs and arms are acting as suspension – this applies to riders of any weight and it's more comfortable for you as well as the bike!






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          I don't know a huge amount about wheels, to be honest. But having to tighten spokes regularly indicates that there's a deeper underlying problem. Hopefully somebody with more direct knowledge will chime in

          – David Richerby
          11 hours ago











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        Unfortunately, most bikes are only rated to 300lbs or less. However, if this is a new bike, you should take it back to the shop and get them to fix it. They can't claim they didn't know you were a heavy rider when they sold you the bike.



        You might need to get more substantial wheels with more spokes. Wheels designed for touring bikes might be more appropriate. Also, when riding, you need to be careful to avoid potholes and other bumps in the road and don't go up and down kerbs. If you can't avoid a bump, lift your weight off the saddle so your legs and arms are acting as suspension – this applies to riders of any weight and it's more comfortable for you as well as the bike!






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        Unfortunately, most bikes are only rated to 300lbs or less. However, if this is a new bike, you should take it back to the shop and get them to fix it. They can't claim they didn't know you were a heavy rider when they sold you the bike.



        You might need to get more substantial wheels with more spokes. Wheels designed for touring bikes might be more appropriate. Also, when riding, you need to be careful to avoid potholes and other bumps in the road and don't go up and down kerbs. If you can't avoid a bump, lift your weight off the saddle so your legs and arms are acting as suspension – this applies to riders of any weight and it's more comfortable for you as well as the bike!







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        • You have a good point, would it not be worth trying to tighten or make sure they are tight before every journey or would this not have much of an impact?

          – John
          12 hours ago






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          I don't know a huge amount about wheels, to be honest. But having to tighten spokes regularly indicates that there's a deeper underlying problem. Hopefully somebody with more direct knowledge will chime in

          – David Richerby
          11 hours ago











        • Usually you’ll notice loose spokes because the wheel goes out of true. With rim brakes this is very noticeable because the rim will rub against the brakes.

          – Michael
          7 hours ago





















        • You have a good point, would it not be worth trying to tighten or make sure they are tight before every journey or would this not have much of an impact?

          – John
          12 hours ago






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          I don't know a huge amount about wheels, to be honest. But having to tighten spokes regularly indicates that there's a deeper underlying problem. Hopefully somebody with more direct knowledge will chime in

          – David Richerby
          11 hours ago











        • Usually you’ll notice loose spokes because the wheel goes out of true. With rim brakes this is very noticeable because the rim will rub against the brakes.

          – Michael
          7 hours ago



















        You have a good point, would it not be worth trying to tighten or make sure they are tight before every journey or would this not have much of an impact?

        – John
        12 hours ago





        You have a good point, would it not be worth trying to tighten or make sure they are tight before every journey or would this not have much of an impact?

        – John
        12 hours ago




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        I don't know a huge amount about wheels, to be honest. But having to tighten spokes regularly indicates that there's a deeper underlying problem. Hopefully somebody with more direct knowledge will chime in

        – David Richerby
        11 hours ago





        I don't know a huge amount about wheels, to be honest. But having to tighten spokes regularly indicates that there's a deeper underlying problem. Hopefully somebody with more direct knowledge will chime in

        – David Richerby
        11 hours ago













        Usually you’ll notice loose spokes because the wheel goes out of true. With rim brakes this is very noticeable because the rim will rub against the brakes.

        – Michael
        7 hours ago







        Usually you’ll notice loose spokes because the wheel goes out of true. With rim brakes this is very noticeable because the rim will rub against the brakes.

        – Michael
        7 hours ago













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        Spokes getting loose is not a laughing matter. The more spokes get loose or break, the more uneven the load is distributed to the spokes, and the more likely other spokes are to get loose or break. Accumulate enough failed spokes, and your wheel fails. And failed spokes after only 24km means that something is very wrong with the wheel's built.



        As such, your wheel definitely needs to be rebuilt immediately.



        When the wheel is rebuilt, it needs to be rebuilt such that no spoke can ever loose tension when you use it. Most importantly, that means that the spokes must have even tension, but also that their tension must be high enough. I'd recommend giving the wheel to a professional builder, and to tell them that the wheel is supposed to carry you. Hopefully, they'll be able to produce a built of high enough quality to avoid repetition of the failure.



        What you can do to reduce the likelihood of failure, is to avoid accelerating too hard: The force you can put on the chain is much higher than the force a 70kg person can put on the chain. And that force on the chain is directly proportional to the torque that your spokes need to deliver to the rim. If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel. Just try to take acceleration a bit more slowly until you have lost weight.






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          "If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel." - over-egging the pudding here??

          – Lamar Latrell
          11 hours ago






        • 1





          @LamarLatrell I know how I used to kill spokes until I learned to build my wheels with near perfect even tension, and the OP is a lot heavier than I ever was. If you assume that the chain-wheel radius is half the length of the crank, that's 353kg of tension on the chain. Multiply with a sprocket radius of 10cm, and you get 347Nm torque on the wheel. Assume 36 spokes at a 10% angle and an inner rim radius of 30cm, and you arrive at a dynamic load of about 320N per spoke (about 32kg). For the unloaded spokes to retain 60N tension, the loaded spokes must endure 700N. Much more for a dished wheel.

          – cmaster
          11 hours ago











        • Circumference of a 10cm radius rear cog = 2π100 = 628mm. 628/12.7mm = 49 tooth cog....

          – Lamar Latrell
          10 hours ago











        • @LamarLatrell Ok, it was a rough estimation. But the important point is, that a 176kg rider puts 176/70 = 2.5 times the dynamic tension on the spokes as a 70kg rider does. As I said: I used to kill a lot of spokes, and even though I'm much lighter than the OP, I always heard the "pang" of a breaking spoke when I was accelerating hard.

          – cmaster
          9 hours ago






        • 1





          An explanation for the downvotes would be nice...

          – cmaster
          6 hours ago
















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        Spokes getting loose is not a laughing matter. The more spokes get loose or break, the more uneven the load is distributed to the spokes, and the more likely other spokes are to get loose or break. Accumulate enough failed spokes, and your wheel fails. And failed spokes after only 24km means that something is very wrong with the wheel's built.



        As such, your wheel definitely needs to be rebuilt immediately.



        When the wheel is rebuilt, it needs to be rebuilt such that no spoke can ever loose tension when you use it. Most importantly, that means that the spokes must have even tension, but also that their tension must be high enough. I'd recommend giving the wheel to a professional builder, and to tell them that the wheel is supposed to carry you. Hopefully, they'll be able to produce a built of high enough quality to avoid repetition of the failure.



        What you can do to reduce the likelihood of failure, is to avoid accelerating too hard: The force you can put on the chain is much higher than the force a 70kg person can put on the chain. And that force on the chain is directly proportional to the torque that your spokes need to deliver to the rim. If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel. Just try to take acceleration a bit more slowly until you have lost weight.






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        • 2





          "If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel." - over-egging the pudding here??

          – Lamar Latrell
          11 hours ago






        • 1





          @LamarLatrell I know how I used to kill spokes until I learned to build my wheels with near perfect even tension, and the OP is a lot heavier than I ever was. If you assume that the chain-wheel radius is half the length of the crank, that's 353kg of tension on the chain. Multiply with a sprocket radius of 10cm, and you get 347Nm torque on the wheel. Assume 36 spokes at a 10% angle and an inner rim radius of 30cm, and you arrive at a dynamic load of about 320N per spoke (about 32kg). For the unloaded spokes to retain 60N tension, the loaded spokes must endure 700N. Much more for a dished wheel.

          – cmaster
          11 hours ago











        • Circumference of a 10cm radius rear cog = 2π100 = 628mm. 628/12.7mm = 49 tooth cog....

          – Lamar Latrell
          10 hours ago











        • @LamarLatrell Ok, it was a rough estimation. But the important point is, that a 176kg rider puts 176/70 = 2.5 times the dynamic tension on the spokes as a 70kg rider does. As I said: I used to kill a lot of spokes, and even though I'm much lighter than the OP, I always heard the "pang" of a breaking spoke when I was accelerating hard.

          – cmaster
          9 hours ago






        • 1





          An explanation for the downvotes would be nice...

          – cmaster
          6 hours ago














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        Spokes getting loose is not a laughing matter. The more spokes get loose or break, the more uneven the load is distributed to the spokes, and the more likely other spokes are to get loose or break. Accumulate enough failed spokes, and your wheel fails. And failed spokes after only 24km means that something is very wrong with the wheel's built.



        As such, your wheel definitely needs to be rebuilt immediately.



        When the wheel is rebuilt, it needs to be rebuilt such that no spoke can ever loose tension when you use it. Most importantly, that means that the spokes must have even tension, but also that their tension must be high enough. I'd recommend giving the wheel to a professional builder, and to tell them that the wheel is supposed to carry you. Hopefully, they'll be able to produce a built of high enough quality to avoid repetition of the failure.



        What you can do to reduce the likelihood of failure, is to avoid accelerating too hard: The force you can put on the chain is much higher than the force a 70kg person can put on the chain. And that force on the chain is directly proportional to the torque that your spokes need to deliver to the rim. If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel. Just try to take acceleration a bit more slowly until you have lost weight.






        share|improve this answer













        Spokes getting loose is not a laughing matter. The more spokes get loose or break, the more uneven the load is distributed to the spokes, and the more likely other spokes are to get loose or break. Accumulate enough failed spokes, and your wheel fails. And failed spokes after only 24km means that something is very wrong with the wheel's built.



        As such, your wheel definitely needs to be rebuilt immediately.



        When the wheel is rebuilt, it needs to be rebuilt such that no spoke can ever loose tension when you use it. Most importantly, that means that the spokes must have even tension, but also that their tension must be high enough. I'd recommend giving the wheel to a professional builder, and to tell them that the wheel is supposed to carry you. Hopefully, they'll be able to produce a built of high enough quality to avoid repetition of the failure.



        What you can do to reduce the likelihood of failure, is to avoid accelerating too hard: The force you can put on the chain is much higher than the force a 70kg person can put on the chain. And that force on the chain is directly proportional to the torque that your spokes need to deliver to the rim. If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel. Just try to take acceleration a bit more slowly until you have lost weight.







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        answered 12 hours ago









        cmastercmaster

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        • 2





          "If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel." - over-egging the pudding here??

          – Lamar Latrell
          11 hours ago






        • 1





          @LamarLatrell I know how I used to kill spokes until I learned to build my wheels with near perfect even tension, and the OP is a lot heavier than I ever was. If you assume that the chain-wheel radius is half the length of the crank, that's 353kg of tension on the chain. Multiply with a sprocket radius of 10cm, and you get 347Nm torque on the wheel. Assume 36 spokes at a 10% angle and an inner rim radius of 30cm, and you arrive at a dynamic load of about 320N per spoke (about 32kg). For the unloaded spokes to retain 60N tension, the loaded spokes must endure 700N. Much more for a dished wheel.

          – cmaster
          11 hours ago











        • Circumference of a 10cm radius rear cog = 2π100 = 628mm. 628/12.7mm = 49 tooth cog....

          – Lamar Latrell
          10 hours ago











        • @LamarLatrell Ok, it was a rough estimation. But the important point is, that a 176kg rider puts 176/70 = 2.5 times the dynamic tension on the spokes as a 70kg rider does. As I said: I used to kill a lot of spokes, and even though I'm much lighter than the OP, I always heard the "pang" of a breaking spoke when I was accelerating hard.

          – cmaster
          9 hours ago






        • 1





          An explanation for the downvotes would be nice...

          – cmaster
          6 hours ago














        • 2





          "If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel." - over-egging the pudding here??

          – Lamar Latrell
          11 hours ago






        • 1





          @LamarLatrell I know how I used to kill spokes until I learned to build my wheels with near perfect even tension, and the OP is a lot heavier than I ever was. If you assume that the chain-wheel radius is half the length of the crank, that's 353kg of tension on the chain. Multiply with a sprocket radius of 10cm, and you get 347Nm torque on the wheel. Assume 36 spokes at a 10% angle and an inner rim radius of 30cm, and you arrive at a dynamic load of about 320N per spoke (about 32kg). For the unloaded spokes to retain 60N tension, the loaded spokes must endure 700N. Much more for a dished wheel.

          – cmaster
          11 hours ago











        • Circumference of a 10cm radius rear cog = 2π100 = 628mm. 628/12.7mm = 49 tooth cog....

          – Lamar Latrell
          10 hours ago











        • @LamarLatrell Ok, it was a rough estimation. But the important point is, that a 176kg rider puts 176/70 = 2.5 times the dynamic tension on the spokes as a 70kg rider does. As I said: I used to kill a lot of spokes, and even though I'm much lighter than the OP, I always heard the "pang" of a breaking spoke when I was accelerating hard.

          – cmaster
          9 hours ago






        • 1





          An explanation for the downvotes would be nice...

          – cmaster
          6 hours ago








        2




        2





        "If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel." - over-egging the pudding here??

        – Lamar Latrell
        11 hours ago





        "If you put your bike in first gear and then stand on your pedal to accelerate, you'll pretty much kill any rear wheel." - over-egging the pudding here??

        – Lamar Latrell
        11 hours ago




        1




        1





        @LamarLatrell I know how I used to kill spokes until I learned to build my wheels with near perfect even tension, and the OP is a lot heavier than I ever was. If you assume that the chain-wheel radius is half the length of the crank, that's 353kg of tension on the chain. Multiply with a sprocket radius of 10cm, and you get 347Nm torque on the wheel. Assume 36 spokes at a 10% angle and an inner rim radius of 30cm, and you arrive at a dynamic load of about 320N per spoke (about 32kg). For the unloaded spokes to retain 60N tension, the loaded spokes must endure 700N. Much more for a dished wheel.

        – cmaster
        11 hours ago





        @LamarLatrell I know how I used to kill spokes until I learned to build my wheels with near perfect even tension, and the OP is a lot heavier than I ever was. If you assume that the chain-wheel radius is half the length of the crank, that's 353kg of tension on the chain. Multiply with a sprocket radius of 10cm, and you get 347Nm torque on the wheel. Assume 36 spokes at a 10% angle and an inner rim radius of 30cm, and you arrive at a dynamic load of about 320N per spoke (about 32kg). For the unloaded spokes to retain 60N tension, the loaded spokes must endure 700N. Much more for a dished wheel.

        – cmaster
        11 hours ago













        Circumference of a 10cm radius rear cog = 2π100 = 628mm. 628/12.7mm = 49 tooth cog....

        – Lamar Latrell
        10 hours ago





        Circumference of a 10cm radius rear cog = 2π100 = 628mm. 628/12.7mm = 49 tooth cog....

        – Lamar Latrell
        10 hours ago













        @LamarLatrell Ok, it was a rough estimation. But the important point is, that a 176kg rider puts 176/70 = 2.5 times the dynamic tension on the spokes as a 70kg rider does. As I said: I used to kill a lot of spokes, and even though I'm much lighter than the OP, I always heard the "pang" of a breaking spoke when I was accelerating hard.

        – cmaster
        9 hours ago





        @LamarLatrell Ok, it was a rough estimation. But the important point is, that a 176kg rider puts 176/70 = 2.5 times the dynamic tension on the spokes as a 70kg rider does. As I said: I used to kill a lot of spokes, and even though I'm much lighter than the OP, I always heard the "pang" of a breaking spoke when I was accelerating hard.

        – cmaster
        9 hours ago




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        An explanation for the downvotes would be nice...

        – cmaster
        6 hours ago





        An explanation for the downvotes would be nice...

        – cmaster
        6 hours ago











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        Loose spokes and buckling wheels on a new bike are definitely not normal.



        That could be incorrect assembly but may also be a result of the weight of the rider and not getting the right advice:



        The design specifications in the GT tech manual book list "330 lbs / 150 kg" as the maximum weight limit for that model. Although not explicitly mentioned for the Avalanche I assume that is the limit for the combined weight of the rider and all gear.






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        • Okay, initially would a home fix work or would i need to get it looked at?

          – John
          12 hours ago






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          On a brand new bike I would expect a reputable seller to take responsibility for this and sort it out for you.

          – HBruijn
          12 hours ago











        • I agree and i am in the process of getting them to sort it however i need to be able to ride the bike in the meantime as it's used for commuting to work

          – John
          11 hours ago











        • I wouldn't bother with a home fix. It's dangerous if you don't know what you are doing and won't really help. Take the bike back to the shop asap! Ask them to help you straight away. It sucks not being to able to ride your new bike.

          – user2705196
          6 hours ago
















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        Loose spokes and buckling wheels on a new bike are definitely not normal.



        That could be incorrect assembly but may also be a result of the weight of the rider and not getting the right advice:



        The design specifications in the GT tech manual book list "330 lbs / 150 kg" as the maximum weight limit for that model. Although not explicitly mentioned for the Avalanche I assume that is the limit for the combined weight of the rider and all gear.






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        • Okay, initially would a home fix work or would i need to get it looked at?

          – John
          12 hours ago






        • 1





          On a brand new bike I would expect a reputable seller to take responsibility for this and sort it out for you.

          – HBruijn
          12 hours ago











        • I agree and i am in the process of getting them to sort it however i need to be able to ride the bike in the meantime as it's used for commuting to work

          – John
          11 hours ago











        • I wouldn't bother with a home fix. It's dangerous if you don't know what you are doing and won't really help. Take the bike back to the shop asap! Ask them to help you straight away. It sucks not being to able to ride your new bike.

          – user2705196
          6 hours ago














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        3







        Loose spokes and buckling wheels on a new bike are definitely not normal.



        That could be incorrect assembly but may also be a result of the weight of the rider and not getting the right advice:



        The design specifications in the GT tech manual book list "330 lbs / 150 kg" as the maximum weight limit for that model. Although not explicitly mentioned for the Avalanche I assume that is the limit for the combined weight of the rider and all gear.






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        Loose spokes and buckling wheels on a new bike are definitely not normal.



        That could be incorrect assembly but may also be a result of the weight of the rider and not getting the right advice:



        The design specifications in the GT tech manual book list "330 lbs / 150 kg" as the maximum weight limit for that model. Although not explicitly mentioned for the Avalanche I assume that is the limit for the combined weight of the rider and all gear.







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        answered 12 hours ago









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        • Okay, initially would a home fix work or would i need to get it looked at?

          – John
          12 hours ago






        • 1





          On a brand new bike I would expect a reputable seller to take responsibility for this and sort it out for you.

          – HBruijn
          12 hours ago











        • I agree and i am in the process of getting them to sort it however i need to be able to ride the bike in the meantime as it's used for commuting to work

          – John
          11 hours ago











        • I wouldn't bother with a home fix. It's dangerous if you don't know what you are doing and won't really help. Take the bike back to the shop asap! Ask them to help you straight away. It sucks not being to able to ride your new bike.

          – user2705196
          6 hours ago



















        • Okay, initially would a home fix work or would i need to get it looked at?

          – John
          12 hours ago






        • 1





          On a brand new bike I would expect a reputable seller to take responsibility for this and sort it out for you.

          – HBruijn
          12 hours ago











        • I agree and i am in the process of getting them to sort it however i need to be able to ride the bike in the meantime as it's used for commuting to work

          – John
          11 hours ago











        • I wouldn't bother with a home fix. It's dangerous if you don't know what you are doing and won't really help. Take the bike back to the shop asap! Ask them to help you straight away. It sucks not being to able to ride your new bike.

          – user2705196
          6 hours ago

















        Okay, initially would a home fix work or would i need to get it looked at?

        – John
        12 hours ago





        Okay, initially would a home fix work or would i need to get it looked at?

        – John
        12 hours ago




        1




        1





        On a brand new bike I would expect a reputable seller to take responsibility for this and sort it out for you.

        – HBruijn
        12 hours ago





        On a brand new bike I would expect a reputable seller to take responsibility for this and sort it out for you.

        – HBruijn
        12 hours ago













        I agree and i am in the process of getting them to sort it however i need to be able to ride the bike in the meantime as it's used for commuting to work

        – John
        11 hours ago





        I agree and i am in the process of getting them to sort it however i need to be able to ride the bike in the meantime as it's used for commuting to work

        – John
        11 hours ago













        I wouldn't bother with a home fix. It's dangerous if you don't know what you are doing and won't really help. Take the bike back to the shop asap! Ask them to help you straight away. It sucks not being to able to ride your new bike.

        – user2705196
        6 hours ago





        I wouldn't bother with a home fix. It's dangerous if you don't know what you are doing and won't really help. Take the bike back to the shop asap! Ask them to help you straight away. It sucks not being to able to ride your new bike.

        – user2705196
        6 hours ago











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        It is possible to re-tension loose spokes at home, using a spoke key and the frame of the bicycle as a truing stand. In your case I would not do so.



        If the wheel started to fail so quickly from new, I think it would fail again even faster with a home repair. In the worse case the wheel could fail catastrophically injuring you and damaging the bike. In the best case you get stranded.



        When you take the bike in for service, the repair shop will hopefully be able to re-build the wheel. They may be able to build it to a higher strength than it was originally by increasing the spoke tension, but it may fail again of course. If the wheel can't be re-built or fails again, you can consider getting a stronger replacement wheel with a higher spoke count and heavier gauge spokes.






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          It is possible to re-tension loose spokes at home, using a spoke key and the frame of the bicycle as a truing stand. In your case I would not do so.



          If the wheel started to fail so quickly from new, I think it would fail again even faster with a home repair. In the worse case the wheel could fail catastrophically injuring you and damaging the bike. In the best case you get stranded.



          When you take the bike in for service, the repair shop will hopefully be able to re-build the wheel. They may be able to build it to a higher strength than it was originally by increasing the spoke tension, but it may fail again of course. If the wheel can't be re-built or fails again, you can consider getting a stronger replacement wheel with a higher spoke count and heavier gauge spokes.






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            It is possible to re-tension loose spokes at home, using a spoke key and the frame of the bicycle as a truing stand. In your case I would not do so.



            If the wheel started to fail so quickly from new, I think it would fail again even faster with a home repair. In the worse case the wheel could fail catastrophically injuring you and damaging the bike. In the best case you get stranded.



            When you take the bike in for service, the repair shop will hopefully be able to re-build the wheel. They may be able to build it to a higher strength than it was originally by increasing the spoke tension, but it may fail again of course. If the wheel can't be re-built or fails again, you can consider getting a stronger replacement wheel with a higher spoke count and heavier gauge spokes.






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            It is possible to re-tension loose spokes at home, using a spoke key and the frame of the bicycle as a truing stand. In your case I would not do so.



            If the wheel started to fail so quickly from new, I think it would fail again even faster with a home repair. In the worse case the wheel could fail catastrophically injuring you and damaging the bike. In the best case you get stranded.



            When you take the bike in for service, the repair shop will hopefully be able to re-build the wheel. They may be able to build it to a higher strength than it was originally by increasing the spoke tension, but it may fail again of course. If the wheel can't be re-built or fails again, you can consider getting a stronger replacement wheel with a higher spoke count and heavier gauge spokes.







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            answered 10 hours ago









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                For your weight, you either need to find reliable wheel builder who will make wheels for you, or you need to become one. Possibly both in that order.



                Wheel will be most important part of your bicycle and you should strive to put best components in it, and be sure it is built with your weight in mind.



                Unwinding of spokes is almost certainly result of not enough of tension on them for your weight. To be able to put enough tension, you need as many spokes as you can, and very strong rim. It should have no less than 36 spokes, heavy duty rim like rigida sputnik or andre, and double butted spokes.






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                  For your weight, you either need to find reliable wheel builder who will make wheels for you, or you need to become one. Possibly both in that order.



                  Wheel will be most important part of your bicycle and you should strive to put best components in it, and be sure it is built with your weight in mind.



                  Unwinding of spokes is almost certainly result of not enough of tension on them for your weight. To be able to put enough tension, you need as many spokes as you can, and very strong rim. It should have no less than 36 spokes, heavy duty rim like rigida sputnik or andre, and double butted spokes.






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                    For your weight, you either need to find reliable wheel builder who will make wheels for you, or you need to become one. Possibly both in that order.



                    Wheel will be most important part of your bicycle and you should strive to put best components in it, and be sure it is built with your weight in mind.



                    Unwinding of spokes is almost certainly result of not enough of tension on them for your weight. To be able to put enough tension, you need as many spokes as you can, and very strong rim. It should have no less than 36 spokes, heavy duty rim like rigida sputnik or andre, and double butted spokes.






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                    For your weight, you either need to find reliable wheel builder who will make wheels for you, or you need to become one. Possibly both in that order.



                    Wheel will be most important part of your bicycle and you should strive to put best components in it, and be sure it is built with your weight in mind.



                    Unwinding of spokes is almost certainly result of not enough of tension on them for your weight. To be able to put enough tension, you need as many spokes as you can, and very strong rim. It should have no less than 36 spokes, heavy duty rim like rigida sputnik or andre, and double butted spokes.







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                    answered 9 hours ago









                    Davorin RuševljanDavorin Ruševljan

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                        I completely agree with the accepted answer of @David Richerby from personal experience.



                        As a heavier rider (~22 stone) for many years, I also found with a couple of different bicycles that the rear wheel tended to come out of true, especially when hitting bumps and potholes.



                        My solution was to replace the rear wheel with a touring wheel with more spokes, and I can ride over speed bumps etc. with less worry, although I do ride them standing on the pedals to reduce the force through the seatpost.



                        I also learned how to true a wheel reasonably, and to keep it trued and correctly tensioned, because shocks have less effect on a properly balanced wheel. It needs mostly patience and care, and something simple to act as a reference marker.






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                          7 hours ago
















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                        I completely agree with the accepted answer of @David Richerby from personal experience.



                        As a heavier rider (~22 stone) for many years, I also found with a couple of different bicycles that the rear wheel tended to come out of true, especially when hitting bumps and potholes.



                        My solution was to replace the rear wheel with a touring wheel with more spokes, and I can ride over speed bumps etc. with less worry, although I do ride them standing on the pedals to reduce the force through the seatpost.



                        I also learned how to true a wheel reasonably, and to keep it trued and correctly tensioned, because shocks have less effect on a properly balanced wheel. It needs mostly patience and care, and something simple to act as a reference marker.






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                        • And I agree with your answer. 😀 Welcome to the site!

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                        I completely agree with the accepted answer of @David Richerby from personal experience.



                        As a heavier rider (~22 stone) for many years, I also found with a couple of different bicycles that the rear wheel tended to come out of true, especially when hitting bumps and potholes.



                        My solution was to replace the rear wheel with a touring wheel with more spokes, and I can ride over speed bumps etc. with less worry, although I do ride them standing on the pedals to reduce the force through the seatpost.



                        I also learned how to true a wheel reasonably, and to keep it trued and correctly tensioned, because shocks have less effect on a properly balanced wheel. It needs mostly patience and care, and something simple to act as a reference marker.






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                        I completely agree with the accepted answer of @David Richerby from personal experience.



                        As a heavier rider (~22 stone) for many years, I also found with a couple of different bicycles that the rear wheel tended to come out of true, especially when hitting bumps and potholes.



                        My solution was to replace the rear wheel with a touring wheel with more spokes, and I can ride over speed bumps etc. with less worry, although I do ride them standing on the pedals to reduce the force through the seatpost.



                        I also learned how to true a wheel reasonably, and to keep it trued and correctly tensioned, because shocks have less effect on a properly balanced wheel. It needs mostly patience and care, and something simple to act as a reference marker.







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                        I would suggest that if visited the shop and they helped you choose the bike then they should exchange the bike for something more appropriate.
                        Clearly the bike is not suitable otherwise the issue you raised would not have occurred.






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