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What is the earliest case of modern (1840+) published speculative fiction where evil wins?



I mean, not just that the hero dies or some tragedy takes place. I really mean a story in which the evil guy or the evil force (clearly delineated as pure evil, not evil from some point of view but not from others) finally wins against the good ones and no revenge, no redemption, takes place?






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  • Also you might want to look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banewreaker

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  • TVTropes's TheBadGuyWins is rather extensive

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    This question could be salvaged by the usual means, i.e. asking for the earliest instance of such a work. Given the heavy-handed censorship in the early days of cinema, the earliest sf movie where evil wins would make an interesting question. Frankenstein?

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    Aug 17 '14 at 0:06








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    2 clarifications are needed: (1) Is straight-out horror in scope? Most instances of this trope would probably be horror - I'm guessing HPL or Poe; and that would make the question boring. (2) Does a single work that's part of the series count if the evil loses in the previously-planned sequels? (e.g. Voldemort won in Goblet of Fire but lost the whole HP series. Gbaba won the prologue of Safehold series).

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What is the earliest case of modern (1840+) published speculative fiction where evil wins?



I mean, not just that the hero dies or some tragedy takes place. I really mean a story in which the evil guy or the evil force (clearly delineated as pure evil, not evil from some point of view but not from others) finally wins against the good ones and no revenge, no redemption, takes place?






novel history-of







share|improve this question

























  • imdb.com/title/tt0088846

    – Valorum
    Aug 16 '14 at 22:19











  • Also you might want to look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banewreaker

    – Valorum
    Aug 16 '14 at 22:22











  • TVTropes's TheBadGuyWins is rather extensive

    – Izkata
    Aug 16 '14 at 22:39






  • 1





    This question could be salvaged by the usual means, i.e. asking for the earliest instance of such a work. Given the heavy-handed censorship in the early days of cinema, the earliest sf movie where evil wins would make an interesting question. Frankenstein?

    – Kyle Jones
    Aug 17 '14 at 0:06








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    2 clarifications are needed: (1) Is straight-out horror in scope? Most instances of this trope would probably be horror - I'm guessing HPL or Poe; and that would make the question boring. (2) Does a single work that's part of the series count if the evil loses in the previously-planned sequels? (e.g. Voldemort won in Goblet of Fire but lost the whole HP series. Gbaba won the prologue of Safehold series).

    – DVK-on-Ahch-To
    Aug 17 '14 at 15:50
















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What is the earliest case of modern (1840+) published speculative fiction where evil wins?



I mean, not just that the hero dies or some tragedy takes place. I really mean a story in which the evil guy or the evil force (clearly delineated as pure evil, not evil from some point of view but not from others) finally wins against the good ones and no revenge, no redemption, takes place?






novel history-of







share|improve this question
















What is the earliest case of modern (1840+) published speculative fiction where evil wins?



I mean, not just that the hero dies or some tragedy takes place. I really mean a story in which the evil guy or the evil force (clearly delineated as pure evil, not evil from some point of view but not from others) finally wins against the good ones and no revenge, no redemption, takes place?






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  • imdb.com/title/tt0088846

    – Valorum
    Aug 16 '14 at 22:19











  • Also you might want to look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banewreaker

    – Valorum
    Aug 16 '14 at 22:22











  • TVTropes's TheBadGuyWins is rather extensive

    – Izkata
    Aug 16 '14 at 22:39






  • 1





    This question could be salvaged by the usual means, i.e. asking for the earliest instance of such a work. Given the heavy-handed censorship in the early days of cinema, the earliest sf movie where evil wins would make an interesting question. Frankenstein?

    – Kyle Jones
    Aug 17 '14 at 0:06








  • 2





    2 clarifications are needed: (1) Is straight-out horror in scope? Most instances of this trope would probably be horror - I'm guessing HPL or Poe; and that would make the question boring. (2) Does a single work that's part of the series count if the evil loses in the previously-planned sequels? (e.g. Voldemort won in Goblet of Fire but lost the whole HP series. Gbaba won the prologue of Safehold series).

    – DVK-on-Ahch-To
    Aug 17 '14 at 15:50





















  • imdb.com/title/tt0088846

    – Valorum
    Aug 16 '14 at 22:19











  • Also you might want to look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banewreaker

    – Valorum
    Aug 16 '14 at 22:22











  • TVTropes's TheBadGuyWins is rather extensive

    – Izkata
    Aug 16 '14 at 22:39






  • 1





    This question could be salvaged by the usual means, i.e. asking for the earliest instance of such a work. Given the heavy-handed censorship in the early days of cinema, the earliest sf movie where evil wins would make an interesting question. Frankenstein?

    – Kyle Jones
    Aug 17 '14 at 0:06








  • 2





    2 clarifications are needed: (1) Is straight-out horror in scope? Most instances of this trope would probably be horror - I'm guessing HPL or Poe; and that would make the question boring. (2) Does a single work that's part of the series count if the evil loses in the previously-planned sequels? (e.g. Voldemort won in Goblet of Fire but lost the whole HP series. Gbaba won the prologue of Safehold series).

    – DVK-on-Ahch-To
    Aug 17 '14 at 15:50



















imdb.com/title/tt0088846

– Valorum
Aug 16 '14 at 22:19





imdb.com/title/tt0088846

– Valorum
Aug 16 '14 at 22:19













Also you might want to look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banewreaker

– Valorum
Aug 16 '14 at 22:22





Also you might want to look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banewreaker

– Valorum
Aug 16 '14 at 22:22













TVTropes's TheBadGuyWins is rather extensive

– Izkata
Aug 16 '14 at 22:39





TVTropes's TheBadGuyWins is rather extensive

– Izkata
Aug 16 '14 at 22:39




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This question could be salvaged by the usual means, i.e. asking for the earliest instance of such a work. Given the heavy-handed censorship in the early days of cinema, the earliest sf movie where evil wins would make an interesting question. Frankenstein?

– Kyle Jones
Aug 17 '14 at 0:06







This question could be salvaged by the usual means, i.e. asking for the earliest instance of such a work. Given the heavy-handed censorship in the early days of cinema, the earliest sf movie where evil wins would make an interesting question. Frankenstein?

– Kyle Jones
Aug 17 '14 at 0:06






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2 clarifications are needed: (1) Is straight-out horror in scope? Most instances of this trope would probably be horror - I'm guessing HPL or Poe; and that would make the question boring. (2) Does a single work that's part of the series count if the evil loses in the previously-planned sequels? (e.g. Voldemort won in Goblet of Fire but lost the whole HP series. Gbaba won the prologue of Safehold series).

– DVK-on-Ahch-To
Aug 17 '14 at 15:50







2 clarifications are needed: (1) Is straight-out horror in scope? Most instances of this trope would probably be horror - I'm guessing HPL or Poe; and that would make the question boring. (2) Does a single work that's part of the series count if the evil loses in the previously-planned sequels? (e.g. Voldemort won in Goblet of Fire but lost the whole HP series. Gbaba won the prologue of Safehold series).

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The Angry Planet (1945) by John Keir Cross? From a review by David Drake:




The really strange aspect–for a children’s book–is the theme. The Angry Planet is a clear story of the battle between Good and Evil. Evil wins.

The Terrible Ones attack the Beautiful People’s city. The Beautiful People warriors defend themselves bravely but are overwhelmed. The humans watch as a Terrible One in an act of pointless cruelty breaks in half a young female of the Beautiful People whom they’ve befriended. The spear of the chief of the Beautiful People slashes the leader of the Terrible Ones, a damaging but not fatal blow. The Terrible One leaps high and comes down on the chief, smashing him flat. During the battle a volcano erupts; the lava must inevitably destroy anything the Terrible Ones leave.

The humans escape with the only survivor of the Beautiful People’s community, a youth who’s a friend of the children. He sickens and dies on the voyage back; when the corpse starts to decay, they have to put it out the airlock. It floats outside the spaceship’s window all the way to Earth, where the children are forced to watch it burn up in the atmosphere.







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1984 (1949) by George Orwell. Big Brother wins completely, even in the mind of Winston. You could quibble about it being science fiction, but it has many of the elements of science fiction, certainly.






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    Blood Meridian (1985) by Cormac McCarthy. It's about a group of scalp hunters in the American southwest before the start of the Civil War. None of the characters are at all good, and the worst of them are positively demonic. And it's based on a group of real people. At the end, evil has definitely won, although that would have been the case no matter how the book ended.






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    • A Clockwork Orange is older and evil wins there, too.

      – aramis
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    • I wouldn't put Clockwork Orange in that category. In the book, Alex grows older and has his own kids, and his own reflection on things...it's not that simple.

      – Chris B. Behrens
      Aug 23 '14 at 5:08











    • Black Easter by James Blish? "In the first book, a wealthy arms manufacturer, Dr. Baines, comes to a black magician, Theron Ware. Initially Baines tests Ware's credentials by asking for two people to be killed, first the Governor of California,Rogan and then a rival physicist.When this is accomplished to Baines' satisfaction, Baines reveals his real reason: he wishes to release all the demons from hell for one night to see what might happen. Black Easter ends with Baphomet announcing to the participants that the demons can not be compelled to return to hell: the War is over, and God is dead."

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    The Angry Planet (1945) by John Keir Cross? From a review by David Drake:




    The really strange aspect–for a children’s book–is the theme. The Angry Planet is a clear story of the battle between Good and Evil. Evil wins.

    The Terrible Ones attack the Beautiful People’s city. The Beautiful People warriors defend themselves bravely but are overwhelmed. The humans watch as a Terrible One in an act of pointless cruelty breaks in half a young female of the Beautiful People whom they’ve befriended. The spear of the chief of the Beautiful People slashes the leader of the Terrible Ones, a damaging but not fatal blow. The Terrible One leaps high and comes down on the chief, smashing him flat. During the battle a volcano erupts; the lava must inevitably destroy anything the Terrible Ones leave.

    The humans escape with the only survivor of the Beautiful People’s community, a youth who’s a friend of the children. He sickens and dies on the voyage back; when the corpse starts to decay, they have to put it out the airlock. It floats outside the spaceship’s window all the way to Earth, where the children are forced to watch it burn up in the atmosphere.







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      Blimey...great children's book.

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      Aug 23 '14 at 5:07
















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    The Angry Planet (1945) by John Keir Cross? From a review by David Drake:




    The really strange aspect–for a children’s book–is the theme. The Angry Planet is a clear story of the battle between Good and Evil. Evil wins.

    The Terrible Ones attack the Beautiful People’s city. The Beautiful People warriors defend themselves bravely but are overwhelmed. The humans watch as a Terrible One in an act of pointless cruelty breaks in half a young female of the Beautiful People whom they’ve befriended. The spear of the chief of the Beautiful People slashes the leader of the Terrible Ones, a damaging but not fatal blow. The Terrible One leaps high and comes down on the chief, smashing him flat. During the battle a volcano erupts; the lava must inevitably destroy anything the Terrible Ones leave.

    The humans escape with the only survivor of the Beautiful People’s community, a youth who’s a friend of the children. He sickens and dies on the voyage back; when the corpse starts to decay, they have to put it out the airlock. It floats outside the spaceship’s window all the way to Earth, where the children are forced to watch it burn up in the atmosphere.







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      Blimey...great children's book.

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    The Angry Planet (1945) by John Keir Cross? From a review by David Drake:




    The really strange aspect–for a children’s book–is the theme. The Angry Planet is a clear story of the battle between Good and Evil. Evil wins.

    The Terrible Ones attack the Beautiful People’s city. The Beautiful People warriors defend themselves bravely but are overwhelmed. The humans watch as a Terrible One in an act of pointless cruelty breaks in half a young female of the Beautiful People whom they’ve befriended. The spear of the chief of the Beautiful People slashes the leader of the Terrible Ones, a damaging but not fatal blow. The Terrible One leaps high and comes down on the chief, smashing him flat. During the battle a volcano erupts; the lava must inevitably destroy anything the Terrible Ones leave.

    The humans escape with the only survivor of the Beautiful People’s community, a youth who’s a friend of the children. He sickens and dies on the voyage back; when the corpse starts to decay, they have to put it out the airlock. It floats outside the spaceship’s window all the way to Earth, where the children are forced to watch it burn up in the atmosphere.







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    The Angry Planet (1945) by John Keir Cross? From a review by David Drake:




    The really strange aspect–for a children’s book–is the theme. The Angry Planet is a clear story of the battle between Good and Evil. Evil wins.

    The Terrible Ones attack the Beautiful People’s city. The Beautiful People warriors defend themselves bravely but are overwhelmed. The humans watch as a Terrible One in an act of pointless cruelty breaks in half a young female of the Beautiful People whom they’ve befriended. The spear of the chief of the Beautiful People slashes the leader of the Terrible Ones, a damaging but not fatal blow. The Terrible One leaps high and comes down on the chief, smashing him flat. During the battle a volcano erupts; the lava must inevitably destroy anything the Terrible Ones leave.

    The humans escape with the only survivor of the Beautiful People’s community, a youth who’s a friend of the children. He sickens and dies on the voyage back; when the corpse starts to decay, they have to put it out the airlock. It floats outside the spaceship’s window all the way to Earth, where the children are forced to watch it burn up in the atmosphere.








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      Blimey...great children's book.

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      Blimey...great children's book.

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    Blimey...great children's book.

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    1984 (1949) by George Orwell. Big Brother wins completely, even in the mind of Winston. You could quibble about it being science fiction, but it has many of the elements of science fiction, certainly.






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      1984 (1949) by George Orwell. Big Brother wins completely, even in the mind of Winston. You could quibble about it being science fiction, but it has many of the elements of science fiction, certainly.






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        1984 (1949) by George Orwell. Big Brother wins completely, even in the mind of Winston. You could quibble about it being science fiction, but it has many of the elements of science fiction, certainly.






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        1984 (1949) by George Orwell. Big Brother wins completely, even in the mind of Winston. You could quibble about it being science fiction, but it has many of the elements of science fiction, certainly.







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            Blood Meridian (1985) by Cormac McCarthy. It's about a group of scalp hunters in the American southwest before the start of the Civil War. None of the characters are at all good, and the worst of them are positively demonic. And it's based on a group of real people. At the end, evil has definitely won, although that would have been the case no matter how the book ended.






            share|improve this answer


























            • A Clockwork Orange is older and evil wins there, too.

              – aramis
              Aug 19 '14 at 20:05











            • I wouldn't put Clockwork Orange in that category. In the book, Alex grows older and has his own kids, and his own reflection on things...it's not that simple.

              – Chris B. Behrens
              Aug 23 '14 at 5:08











            • Black Easter by James Blish? "In the first book, a wealthy arms manufacturer, Dr. Baines, comes to a black magician, Theron Ware. Initially Baines tests Ware's credentials by asking for two people to be killed, first the Governor of California,Rogan and then a rival physicist.When this is accomplished to Baines' satisfaction, Baines reveals his real reason: he wishes to release all the demons from hell for one night to see what might happen. Black Easter ends with Baphomet announcing to the participants that the demons can not be compelled to return to hell: the War is over, and God is dead."

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            Blood Meridian (1985) by Cormac McCarthy. It's about a group of scalp hunters in the American southwest before the start of the Civil War. None of the characters are at all good, and the worst of them are positively demonic. And it's based on a group of real people. At the end, evil has definitely won, although that would have been the case no matter how the book ended.






            share|improve this answer


























            • A Clockwork Orange is older and evil wins there, too.

              – aramis
              Aug 19 '14 at 20:05











            • I wouldn't put Clockwork Orange in that category. In the book, Alex grows older and has his own kids, and his own reflection on things...it's not that simple.

              – Chris B. Behrens
              Aug 23 '14 at 5:08











            • Black Easter by James Blish? "In the first book, a wealthy arms manufacturer, Dr. Baines, comes to a black magician, Theron Ware. Initially Baines tests Ware's credentials by asking for two people to be killed, first the Governor of California,Rogan and then a rival physicist.When this is accomplished to Baines' satisfaction, Baines reveals his real reason: he wishes to release all the demons from hell for one night to see what might happen. Black Easter ends with Baphomet announcing to the participants that the demons can not be compelled to return to hell: the War is over, and God is dead."

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            Blood Meridian (1985) by Cormac McCarthy. It's about a group of scalp hunters in the American southwest before the start of the Civil War. None of the characters are at all good, and the worst of them are positively demonic. And it's based on a group of real people. At the end, evil has definitely won, although that would have been the case no matter how the book ended.






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            Blood Meridian (1985) by Cormac McCarthy. It's about a group of scalp hunters in the American southwest before the start of the Civil War. None of the characters are at all good, and the worst of them are positively demonic. And it's based on a group of real people. At the end, evil has definitely won, although that would have been the case no matter how the book ended.







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            • A Clockwork Orange is older and evil wins there, too.

              – aramis
              Aug 19 '14 at 20:05











            • I wouldn't put Clockwork Orange in that category. In the book, Alex grows older and has his own kids, and his own reflection on things...it's not that simple.

              – Chris B. Behrens
              Aug 23 '14 at 5:08











            • Black Easter by James Blish? "In the first book, a wealthy arms manufacturer, Dr. Baines, comes to a black magician, Theron Ware. Initially Baines tests Ware's credentials by asking for two people to be killed, first the Governor of California,Rogan and then a rival physicist.When this is accomplished to Baines' satisfaction, Baines reveals his real reason: he wishes to release all the demons from hell for one night to see what might happen. Black Easter ends with Baphomet announcing to the participants that the demons can not be compelled to return to hell: the War is over, and God is dead."

              – sueelleker
              Aug 23 '14 at 7:25





















            • A Clockwork Orange is older and evil wins there, too.

              – aramis
              Aug 19 '14 at 20:05











            • I wouldn't put Clockwork Orange in that category. In the book, Alex grows older and has his own kids, and his own reflection on things...it's not that simple.

              – Chris B. Behrens
              Aug 23 '14 at 5:08











            • Black Easter by James Blish? "In the first book, a wealthy arms manufacturer, Dr. Baines, comes to a black magician, Theron Ware. Initially Baines tests Ware's credentials by asking for two people to be killed, first the Governor of California,Rogan and then a rival physicist.When this is accomplished to Baines' satisfaction, Baines reveals his real reason: he wishes to release all the demons from hell for one night to see what might happen. Black Easter ends with Baphomet announcing to the participants that the demons can not be compelled to return to hell: the War is over, and God is dead."

              – sueelleker
              Aug 23 '14 at 7:25



















            A Clockwork Orange is older and evil wins there, too.

            – aramis
            Aug 19 '14 at 20:05





            A Clockwork Orange is older and evil wins there, too.

            – aramis
            Aug 19 '14 at 20:05













            I wouldn't put Clockwork Orange in that category. In the book, Alex grows older and has his own kids, and his own reflection on things...it's not that simple.

            – Chris B. Behrens
            Aug 23 '14 at 5:08





            I wouldn't put Clockwork Orange in that category. In the book, Alex grows older and has his own kids, and his own reflection on things...it's not that simple.

            – Chris B. Behrens
            Aug 23 '14 at 5:08













            Black Easter by James Blish? "In the first book, a wealthy arms manufacturer, Dr. Baines, comes to a black magician, Theron Ware. Initially Baines tests Ware's credentials by asking for two people to be killed, first the Governor of California,Rogan and then a rival physicist.When this is accomplished to Baines' satisfaction, Baines reveals his real reason: he wishes to release all the demons from hell for one night to see what might happen. Black Easter ends with Baphomet announcing to the participants that the demons can not be compelled to return to hell: the War is over, and God is dead."

            – sueelleker
            Aug 23 '14 at 7:25







            Black Easter by James Blish? "In the first book, a wealthy arms manufacturer, Dr. Baines, comes to a black magician, Theron Ware. Initially Baines tests Ware's credentials by asking for two people to be killed, first the Governor of California,Rogan and then a rival physicist.When this is accomplished to Baines' satisfaction, Baines reveals his real reason: he wishes to release all the demons from hell for one night to see what might happen. Black Easter ends with Baphomet announcing to the participants that the demons can not be compelled to return to hell: the War is over, and God is dead."

            – sueelleker
            Aug 23 '14 at 7:25




















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