Is Elizabeth and Will's marriage legitimate?
During the climax of Pirates of the Carribbean: At World's End, Will and Elizabeth are married onboard The Black Pearl. The fact is Barbossa's first mutiny should have prevented him to be the "real" captain of the Pearl, but putting this aside I'm fairly sure that when Jack's right in the next ship fighting Jones, Barbossa couldn't be the offical captain of the Pearl. Therefore he shouldn't have the power to perform any marriage ceremony.
What I concluded from this is that their marriage may be in fact unofficial according to the maritime law, making that whole scene pointless. Even if they knew this, it would still disturb me that they consider Barbossa to be the real captain of the Pearl just because it serves them better at that moment. Either way this is one unnecessary plothole. Are they actually married?
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During the climax of Pirates of the Carribbean: At World's End, Will and Elizabeth are married onboard The Black Pearl. The fact is Barbossa's first mutiny should have prevented him to be the "real" captain of the Pearl, but putting this aside I'm fairly sure that when Jack's right in the next ship fighting Jones, Barbossa couldn't be the offical captain of the Pearl. Therefore he shouldn't have the power to perform any marriage ceremony.
What I concluded from this is that their marriage may be in fact unofficial according to the maritime law, making that whole scene pointless. Even if they knew this, it would still disturb me that they consider Barbossa to be the real captain of the Pearl just because it serves them better at that moment. Either way this is one unnecessary plothole. Are they actually married?
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Ways of getting married have changed through history. For a lot of time there was no need for priests or public servants to certify a marriage; e.g. in Bocaccio's Decameron a couple gets married just by the groom giving a ring to the bride as a token of marriage and the bride accepting it, both alone in their chamber (at conveniently dark so that the groom is not actually who the bride believed to be but one of his friends who fancied her). Not an answer because I am not so sure about the regulations at the time POTC is supposed to be.
– SJuan76
28 mins ago
This is essentially breaks down into two questions; who was captain of the Pearl at that given moment? and how does marriage works under maritime law? An answer to both of these reveals if the marriage was legitimate.
– Ongo
28 mins ago
Do people you're sword fighting count as witnesses?
– Arcanist Lupus
7 mins ago
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During the climax of Pirates of the Carribbean: At World's End, Will and Elizabeth are married onboard The Black Pearl. The fact is Barbossa's first mutiny should have prevented him to be the "real" captain of the Pearl, but putting this aside I'm fairly sure that when Jack's right in the next ship fighting Jones, Barbossa couldn't be the offical captain of the Pearl. Therefore he shouldn't have the power to perform any marriage ceremony.
What I concluded from this is that their marriage may be in fact unofficial according to the maritime law, making that whole scene pointless. Even if they knew this, it would still disturb me that they consider Barbossa to be the real captain of the Pearl just because it serves them better at that moment. Either way this is one unnecessary plothole. Are they actually married?
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During the climax of Pirates of the Carribbean: At World's End, Will and Elizabeth are married onboard The Black Pearl. The fact is Barbossa's first mutiny should have prevented him to be the "real" captain of the Pearl, but putting this aside I'm fairly sure that when Jack's right in the next ship fighting Jones, Barbossa couldn't be the offical captain of the Pearl. Therefore he shouldn't have the power to perform any marriage ceremony.
What I concluded from this is that their marriage may be in fact unofficial according to the maritime law, making that whole scene pointless. Even if they knew this, it would still disturb me that they consider Barbossa to be the real captain of the Pearl just because it serves them better at that moment. Either way this is one unnecessary plothole. Are they actually married?
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Ways of getting married have changed through history. For a lot of time there was no need for priests or public servants to certify a marriage; e.g. in Bocaccio's Decameron a couple gets married just by the groom giving a ring to the bride as a token of marriage and the bride accepting it, both alone in their chamber (at conveniently dark so that the groom is not actually who the bride believed to be but one of his friends who fancied her). Not an answer because I am not so sure about the regulations at the time POTC is supposed to be.
– SJuan76
28 mins ago
This is essentially breaks down into two questions; who was captain of the Pearl at that given moment? and how does marriage works under maritime law? An answer to both of these reveals if the marriage was legitimate.
– Ongo
28 mins ago
Do people you're sword fighting count as witnesses?
– Arcanist Lupus
7 mins ago
add a comment |
Ways of getting married have changed through history. For a lot of time there was no need for priests or public servants to certify a marriage; e.g. in Bocaccio's Decameron a couple gets married just by the groom giving a ring to the bride as a token of marriage and the bride accepting it, both alone in their chamber (at conveniently dark so that the groom is not actually who the bride believed to be but one of his friends who fancied her). Not an answer because I am not so sure about the regulations at the time POTC is supposed to be.
– SJuan76
28 mins ago
This is essentially breaks down into two questions; who was captain of the Pearl at that given moment? and how does marriage works under maritime law? An answer to both of these reveals if the marriage was legitimate.
– Ongo
28 mins ago
Do people you're sword fighting count as witnesses?
– Arcanist Lupus
7 mins ago
Ways of getting married have changed through history. For a lot of time there was no need for priests or public servants to certify a marriage; e.g. in Bocaccio's Decameron a couple gets married just by the groom giving a ring to the bride as a token of marriage and the bride accepting it, both alone in their chamber (at conveniently dark so that the groom is not actually who the bride believed to be but one of his friends who fancied her). Not an answer because I am not so sure about the regulations at the time POTC is supposed to be.
– SJuan76
28 mins ago
Ways of getting married have changed through history. For a lot of time there was no need for priests or public servants to certify a marriage; e.g. in Bocaccio's Decameron a couple gets married just by the groom giving a ring to the bride as a token of marriage and the bride accepting it, both alone in their chamber (at conveniently dark so that the groom is not actually who the bride believed to be but one of his friends who fancied her). Not an answer because I am not so sure about the regulations at the time POTC is supposed to be.
– SJuan76
28 mins ago
This is essentially breaks down into two questions; who was captain of the Pearl at that given moment? and how does marriage works under maritime law? An answer to both of these reveals if the marriage was legitimate.
– Ongo
28 mins ago
This is essentially breaks down into two questions; who was captain of the Pearl at that given moment? and how does marriage works under maritime law? An answer to both of these reveals if the marriage was legitimate.
– Ongo
28 mins ago
Do people you're sword fighting count as witnesses?
– Arcanist Lupus
7 mins ago
Do people you're sword fighting count as witnesses?
– Arcanist Lupus
7 mins ago
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The inherent question you need to ask is, by what standard are you considering legitimacy?
It's a common myth that "maritime law" permits captains to marry couples in a legal sense by virtue of being captains. However, as per SJuan76's statement, the Catholic position (which was retained by much of Christianity) since the Council of Trent is that marriage is a sacrament entered into by the couple in question and that all that a priest or minister does is witness it and enter it into the records to ensure that someone does not marry multiple people and that all parties are honest in their intentions and not under coercion.
So, from that perspective, the marriage is completely valid in the eyes of the Holy Church, and would likely be considered valid within the government and the secular church with them simply stating upon their return that they went through the marriage ceremony with an officiant, and that marriage being put down into records.
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The inherent question you need to ask is, by what standard are you considering legitimacy?
It's a common myth that "maritime law" permits captains to marry couples in a legal sense by virtue of being captains. However, as per SJuan76's statement, the Catholic position (which was retained by much of Christianity) since the Council of Trent is that marriage is a sacrament entered into by the couple in question and that all that a priest or minister does is witness it and enter it into the records to ensure that someone does not marry multiple people and that all parties are honest in their intentions and not under coercion.
So, from that perspective, the marriage is completely valid in the eyes of the Holy Church, and would likely be considered valid within the government and the secular church with them simply stating upon their return that they went through the marriage ceremony with an officiant, and that marriage being put down into records.
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The inherent question you need to ask is, by what standard are you considering legitimacy?
It's a common myth that "maritime law" permits captains to marry couples in a legal sense by virtue of being captains. However, as per SJuan76's statement, the Catholic position (which was retained by much of Christianity) since the Council of Trent is that marriage is a sacrament entered into by the couple in question and that all that a priest or minister does is witness it and enter it into the records to ensure that someone does not marry multiple people and that all parties are honest in their intentions and not under coercion.
So, from that perspective, the marriage is completely valid in the eyes of the Holy Church, and would likely be considered valid within the government and the secular church with them simply stating upon their return that they went through the marriage ceremony with an officiant, and that marriage being put down into records.
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The inherent question you need to ask is, by what standard are you considering legitimacy?
It's a common myth that "maritime law" permits captains to marry couples in a legal sense by virtue of being captains. However, as per SJuan76's statement, the Catholic position (which was retained by much of Christianity) since the Council of Trent is that marriage is a sacrament entered into by the couple in question and that all that a priest or minister does is witness it and enter it into the records to ensure that someone does not marry multiple people and that all parties are honest in their intentions and not under coercion.
So, from that perspective, the marriage is completely valid in the eyes of the Holy Church, and would likely be considered valid within the government and the secular church with them simply stating upon their return that they went through the marriage ceremony with an officiant, and that marriage being put down into records.
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The inherent question you need to ask is, by what standard are you considering legitimacy?
It's a common myth that "maritime law" permits captains to marry couples in a legal sense by virtue of being captains. However, as per SJuan76's statement, the Catholic position (which was retained by much of Christianity) since the Council of Trent is that marriage is a sacrament entered into by the couple in question and that all that a priest or minister does is witness it and enter it into the records to ensure that someone does not marry multiple people and that all parties are honest in their intentions and not under coercion.
So, from that perspective, the marriage is completely valid in the eyes of the Holy Church, and would likely be considered valid within the government and the secular church with them simply stating upon their return that they went through the marriage ceremony with an officiant, and that marriage being put down into records.
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Ways of getting married have changed through history. For a lot of time there was no need for priests or public servants to certify a marriage; e.g. in Bocaccio's Decameron a couple gets married just by the groom giving a ring to the bride as a token of marriage and the bride accepting it, both alone in their chamber (at conveniently dark so that the groom is not actually who the bride believed to be but one of his friends who fancied her). Not an answer because I am not so sure about the regulations at the time POTC is supposed to be.
– SJuan76
28 mins ago
This is essentially breaks down into two questions; who was captain of the Pearl at that given moment? and how does marriage works under maritime law? An answer to both of these reveals if the marriage was legitimate.
– Ongo
28 mins ago
Do people you're sword fighting count as witnesses?
– Arcanist Lupus
7 mins ago