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I used to write poems. I was in 4th grade, so I just wrote for fun. They didn't have any figurative language or symbols. My only goal was to make them rhyme. Here is an example of one of mine:




The topic was risky

The judge wasn’t blank, but picky.



My stomach was getting really funky,

My mind was full of question,

And when my belly was acting like a monkey,

I was full of tension.



Then it all struck me,

Just like an earthquake,

I wasn’t making a single mistake.

The idea was as easy to find as in my pocket,

The idea was obviously Sonny Crockett!




Now that we have read Shakespeare and Edgar Allan Poe, I know there is a lot more to writing a poem. For it to be a good poem.



So, I decided to write poems again, but it is really hard for me to think of a symbol, and put it into my writing without revealing too much, so I can let the reader infer, but revealing enough.



My question is: How can I give my poems more depth and symbolism?










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  • The underlying question is fine but the entire thing reads like you asking for a critique of your poem. Please round out the question to describe more of your thoughts on depth (how are you defining it, for instance?) and what you are looking for. Ironically, you are giving your question more depth and this is a technique you can also apply to your poetry.

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  • Well, after reading some answers, I realized this poem can't have more depth (and even if it could, there wouldn't be much or it wouldn't improve), but my question is how can I add symbolism and a deeper meaning. So, that is my question.

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    The worst mistake I see in younger poets tends to be obsession with rhyming.

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I used to write poems. I was in 4th grade, so I just wrote for fun. They didn't have any figurative language or symbols. My only goal was to make them rhyme. Here is an example of one of mine:




The topic was risky

The judge wasn’t blank, but picky.



My stomach was getting really funky,

My mind was full of question,

And when my belly was acting like a monkey,

I was full of tension.



Then it all struck me,

Just like an earthquake,

I wasn’t making a single mistake.

The idea was as easy to find as in my pocket,

The idea was obviously Sonny Crockett!




Now that we have read Shakespeare and Edgar Allan Poe, I know there is a lot more to writing a poem. For it to be a good poem.



So, I decided to write poems again, but it is really hard for me to think of a symbol, and put it into my writing without revealing too much, so I can let the reader infer, but revealing enough.



My question is: How can I give my poems more depth and symbolism?










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    Have it engraved! (or am I taking the question too literally? ;) )

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  • Great question!

    – repomonster
    23 hours ago











  • The underlying question is fine but the entire thing reads like you asking for a critique of your poem. Please round out the question to describe more of your thoughts on depth (how are you defining it, for instance?) and what you are looking for. Ironically, you are giving your question more depth and this is a technique you can also apply to your poetry.

    – Cyn
    23 hours ago











  • Well, after reading some answers, I realized this poem can't have more depth (and even if it could, there wouldn't be much or it wouldn't improve), but my question is how can I add symbolism and a deeper meaning. So, that is my question.

    – Marvin
    21 hours ago






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    The worst mistake I see in younger poets tends to be obsession with rhyming.

    – Redwolf Programs
    19 hours ago














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I used to write poems. I was in 4th grade, so I just wrote for fun. They didn't have any figurative language or symbols. My only goal was to make them rhyme. Here is an example of one of mine:




The topic was risky

The judge wasn’t blank, but picky.



My stomach was getting really funky,

My mind was full of question,

And when my belly was acting like a monkey,

I was full of tension.



Then it all struck me,

Just like an earthquake,

I wasn’t making a single mistake.

The idea was as easy to find as in my pocket,

The idea was obviously Sonny Crockett!




Now that we have read Shakespeare and Edgar Allan Poe, I know there is a lot more to writing a poem. For it to be a good poem.



So, I decided to write poems again, but it is really hard for me to think of a symbol, and put it into my writing without revealing too much, so I can let the reader infer, but revealing enough.



My question is: How can I give my poems more depth and symbolism?










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I used to write poems. I was in 4th grade, so I just wrote for fun. They didn't have any figurative language or symbols. My only goal was to make them rhyme. Here is an example of one of mine:




The topic was risky

The judge wasn’t blank, but picky.



My stomach was getting really funky,

My mind was full of question,

And when my belly was acting like a monkey,

I was full of tension.



Then it all struck me,

Just like an earthquake,

I wasn’t making a single mistake.

The idea was as easy to find as in my pocket,

The idea was obviously Sonny Crockett!




Now that we have read Shakespeare and Edgar Allan Poe, I know there is a lot more to writing a poem. For it to be a good poem.



So, I decided to write poems again, but it is really hard for me to think of a symbol, and put it into my writing without revealing too much, so I can let the reader infer, but revealing enough.



My question is: How can I give my poems more depth and symbolism?







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  • 5





    Have it engraved! (or am I taking the question too literally? ;) )

    – Alexandre Aubrey
    yesterday











  • Great question!

    – repomonster
    23 hours ago











  • The underlying question is fine but the entire thing reads like you asking for a critique of your poem. Please round out the question to describe more of your thoughts on depth (how are you defining it, for instance?) and what you are looking for. Ironically, you are giving your question more depth and this is a technique you can also apply to your poetry.

    – Cyn
    23 hours ago











  • Well, after reading some answers, I realized this poem can't have more depth (and even if it could, there wouldn't be much or it wouldn't improve), but my question is how can I add symbolism and a deeper meaning. So, that is my question.

    – Marvin
    21 hours ago






  • 1





    The worst mistake I see in younger poets tends to be obsession with rhyming.

    – Redwolf Programs
    19 hours ago














  • 5





    Have it engraved! (or am I taking the question too literally? ;) )

    – Alexandre Aubrey
    yesterday











  • Great question!

    – repomonster
    23 hours ago











  • The underlying question is fine but the entire thing reads like you asking for a critique of your poem. Please round out the question to describe more of your thoughts on depth (how are you defining it, for instance?) and what you are looking for. Ironically, you are giving your question more depth and this is a technique you can also apply to your poetry.

    – Cyn
    23 hours ago











  • Well, after reading some answers, I realized this poem can't have more depth (and even if it could, there wouldn't be much or it wouldn't improve), but my question is how can I add symbolism and a deeper meaning. So, that is my question.

    – Marvin
    21 hours ago






  • 1





    The worst mistake I see in younger poets tends to be obsession with rhyming.

    – Redwolf Programs
    19 hours ago








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5





Have it engraved! (or am I taking the question too literally? ;) )

– Alexandre Aubrey
yesterday





Have it engraved! (or am I taking the question too literally? ;) )

– Alexandre Aubrey
yesterday













Great question!

– repomonster
23 hours ago





Great question!

– repomonster
23 hours ago













The underlying question is fine but the entire thing reads like you asking for a critique of your poem. Please round out the question to describe more of your thoughts on depth (how are you defining it, for instance?) and what you are looking for. Ironically, you are giving your question more depth and this is a technique you can also apply to your poetry.

– Cyn
23 hours ago





The underlying question is fine but the entire thing reads like you asking for a critique of your poem. Please round out the question to describe more of your thoughts on depth (how are you defining it, for instance?) and what you are looking for. Ironically, you are giving your question more depth and this is a technique you can also apply to your poetry.

– Cyn
23 hours ago













Well, after reading some answers, I realized this poem can't have more depth (and even if it could, there wouldn't be much or it wouldn't improve), but my question is how can I add symbolism and a deeper meaning. So, that is my question.

– Marvin
21 hours ago





Well, after reading some answers, I realized this poem can't have more depth (and even if it could, there wouldn't be much or it wouldn't improve), but my question is how can I add symbolism and a deeper meaning. So, that is my question.

– Marvin
21 hours ago




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The worst mistake I see in younger poets tends to be obsession with rhyming.

– Redwolf Programs
19 hours ago





The worst mistake I see in younger poets tends to be obsession with rhyming.

– Redwolf Programs
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There is a character-building strategy that uses Theory of Mind where an important character is described only through the perception of another less-important character. It forces you to imagine someone through the eyes of another, limited by the secondary character's vocabulary and experience. Symbolism is one way to pass clues to the reader past the less-informed narrator, but it will also lead to a better narrative voice which can be disassociated from the subject.



A family holiday seen through the eyes of a child will be different than a grandparent and very different from a teenager. Poetry isn't just wordplay as you have realized, poetry can be uniquely non-narrative in the way it talks about subjects. You don't need to tell a "story" or even relate events in a naturalistic way, it can be loaded (or biased) heavily in one particular style or POV to the point where the "truth" is completely obscured, or at least less important than the impressions.



Theory of Mind is also a great way to explore an unreliable narrator, where the author still needs to convey an idea of what is true even when the narrator does not understand it.






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    The reason your 4th grade poems didn't have any depth is you weren't putting any in there. As you said, they were just fun bits of doggerel that rhymed. If you want deeper poetry, choose a deeper topic: Heartbreak, spirituality, acceptance, isolation, depression, love, hope, beauty, nostalgia, friendship, and so forth. In my experience, you'll typically do better in poetry with an emotion-driven topic than an intellectual or conceptual one.



    Next marry it to some specific sensory imagery or experiences --the feel of the weather outside the last time you saw someone, or the smell of childhood. Then decide what structure you want --something with strict rhythm and rhyme? Or free verse?



    The artistry comes in terms of how well and how naturally you bring those very different things together (topic/theme, imagery, formal structure).






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      +1, but note that a deep topic doesn't have to be negative, as most of your examples are. Love, hope, beauty, nostalgia - those could all be treated as deep subjects.

      – Galastel
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    • @Galastel Personally, I only tend to write poetry when I'm depressed :D But I edited your suggestions into my post

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    In my own very brief experimentation with poetry, I always found it helpful to start with the image, the symbolism, as it were. So I wouldn't be "giving my poem more symbolism" - I'd start with the picture in my mind, and write the poem around that. In that fashion, I could replace words with synonyms, shift words around, scrape everything and start from scratch with a different rhyming scheme, and the core idea of the poem would remain the same.



    So, for example, in this poem (written in highschool), I started with the image of "war orphan himself going to war - phoenix, dying so his son can be born":




    Like a phoenix, I was born from the ashes.

    When the fires of battle have died,

    In the air rang my life's first cry.



    I have never known my father -

    The phoenix is orphaned from birth,

    But I've been raised like all others,

    Learning both of sorrow and mirth.



    I have been like all other teenagers,

    Finding true love's kisses' first joy.

    I've got work, I am earning my wages,

    And my wife has begotten a boy.



    Lo! Of battle again rings the cry.

    In the fires of battle I die,

    But my son will be born from the ashes.




    It's not a good poem, but because it is not good, it is easy to see in it how everything is built on the image at the core. (In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first".)



    It's not an approach that would always work. For example, it might be that you are trying to tell a story in verse. In such a case, the story, not a particular picture, is at the heart of what you're writing, and everything else has to embellish that. But it is one approach, that you might find helpful, if only for practice.






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      'In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first"' - So true and helpful to understand how the best works are harder to take lessons from, because they are so well integrated it's difficult to understand each component on its own.

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    What is depth?

    Drag the bucket up;

    Sloshing water dripping darkly down,

    Back into the shadows of the well.



    Slake your thirst;

    Gulp the water down -

    Chilly and refreshing, drawn right up

    From the depths beneath - an endless well.



    If you say

    Only just one thing,

    Like a stone, that can't be anything

    But a stone, your words will have no depth.



    Tell a tale -

    What else does it mean?

    If there is no answer, then it means

    Only what you said - it has no depth.



    Metaphor,

    Archetypal shapes

    Lurking back behind the front-most shape -

    Will that give a poem deeper depth?



    What is depth?

    Drag the bucket up.

    Water which you did not draw before

    From the deep and shadowed selfsame well.






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      There is a character-building strategy that uses Theory of Mind where an important character is described only through the perception of another less-important character. It forces you to imagine someone through the eyes of another, limited by the secondary character's vocabulary and experience. Symbolism is one way to pass clues to the reader past the less-informed narrator, but it will also lead to a better narrative voice which can be disassociated from the subject.



      A family holiday seen through the eyes of a child will be different than a grandparent and very different from a teenager. Poetry isn't just wordplay as you have realized, poetry can be uniquely non-narrative in the way it talks about subjects. You don't need to tell a "story" or even relate events in a naturalistic way, it can be loaded (or biased) heavily in one particular style or POV to the point where the "truth" is completely obscured, or at least less important than the impressions.



      Theory of Mind is also a great way to explore an unreliable narrator, where the author still needs to convey an idea of what is true even when the narrator does not understand it.






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        There is a character-building strategy that uses Theory of Mind where an important character is described only through the perception of another less-important character. It forces you to imagine someone through the eyes of another, limited by the secondary character's vocabulary and experience. Symbolism is one way to pass clues to the reader past the less-informed narrator, but it will also lead to a better narrative voice which can be disassociated from the subject.



        A family holiday seen through the eyes of a child will be different than a grandparent and very different from a teenager. Poetry isn't just wordplay as you have realized, poetry can be uniquely non-narrative in the way it talks about subjects. You don't need to tell a "story" or even relate events in a naturalistic way, it can be loaded (or biased) heavily in one particular style or POV to the point where the "truth" is completely obscured, or at least less important than the impressions.



        Theory of Mind is also a great way to explore an unreliable narrator, where the author still needs to convey an idea of what is true even when the narrator does not understand it.






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          There is a character-building strategy that uses Theory of Mind where an important character is described only through the perception of another less-important character. It forces you to imagine someone through the eyes of another, limited by the secondary character's vocabulary and experience. Symbolism is one way to pass clues to the reader past the less-informed narrator, but it will also lead to a better narrative voice which can be disassociated from the subject.



          A family holiday seen through the eyes of a child will be different than a grandparent and very different from a teenager. Poetry isn't just wordplay as you have realized, poetry can be uniquely non-narrative in the way it talks about subjects. You don't need to tell a "story" or even relate events in a naturalistic way, it can be loaded (or biased) heavily in one particular style or POV to the point where the "truth" is completely obscured, or at least less important than the impressions.



          Theory of Mind is also a great way to explore an unreliable narrator, where the author still needs to convey an idea of what is true even when the narrator does not understand it.






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          There is a character-building strategy that uses Theory of Mind where an important character is described only through the perception of another less-important character. It forces you to imagine someone through the eyes of another, limited by the secondary character's vocabulary and experience. Symbolism is one way to pass clues to the reader past the less-informed narrator, but it will also lead to a better narrative voice which can be disassociated from the subject.



          A family holiday seen through the eyes of a child will be different than a grandparent and very different from a teenager. Poetry isn't just wordplay as you have realized, poetry can be uniquely non-narrative in the way it talks about subjects. You don't need to tell a "story" or even relate events in a naturalistic way, it can be loaded (or biased) heavily in one particular style or POV to the point where the "truth" is completely obscured, or at least less important than the impressions.



          Theory of Mind is also a great way to explore an unreliable narrator, where the author still needs to convey an idea of what is true even when the narrator does not understand it.







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              The reason your 4th grade poems didn't have any depth is you weren't putting any in there. As you said, they were just fun bits of doggerel that rhymed. If you want deeper poetry, choose a deeper topic: Heartbreak, spirituality, acceptance, isolation, depression, love, hope, beauty, nostalgia, friendship, and so forth. In my experience, you'll typically do better in poetry with an emotion-driven topic than an intellectual or conceptual one.



              Next marry it to some specific sensory imagery or experiences --the feel of the weather outside the last time you saw someone, or the smell of childhood. Then decide what structure you want --something with strict rhythm and rhyme? Or free verse?



              The artistry comes in terms of how well and how naturally you bring those very different things together (topic/theme, imagery, formal structure).






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                +1, but note that a deep topic doesn't have to be negative, as most of your examples are. Love, hope, beauty, nostalgia - those could all be treated as deep subjects.

                – Galastel
                yesterday











              • @Galastel Personally, I only tend to write poetry when I'm depressed :D But I edited your suggestions into my post

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              The reason your 4th grade poems didn't have any depth is you weren't putting any in there. As you said, they were just fun bits of doggerel that rhymed. If you want deeper poetry, choose a deeper topic: Heartbreak, spirituality, acceptance, isolation, depression, love, hope, beauty, nostalgia, friendship, and so forth. In my experience, you'll typically do better in poetry with an emotion-driven topic than an intellectual or conceptual one.



              Next marry it to some specific sensory imagery or experiences --the feel of the weather outside the last time you saw someone, or the smell of childhood. Then decide what structure you want --something with strict rhythm and rhyme? Or free verse?



              The artistry comes in terms of how well and how naturally you bring those very different things together (topic/theme, imagery, formal structure).






              share|improve this answer





















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                +1, but note that a deep topic doesn't have to be negative, as most of your examples are. Love, hope, beauty, nostalgia - those could all be treated as deep subjects.

                – Galastel
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              • @Galastel Personally, I only tend to write poetry when I'm depressed :D But I edited your suggestions into my post

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              The reason your 4th grade poems didn't have any depth is you weren't putting any in there. As you said, they were just fun bits of doggerel that rhymed. If you want deeper poetry, choose a deeper topic: Heartbreak, spirituality, acceptance, isolation, depression, love, hope, beauty, nostalgia, friendship, and so forth. In my experience, you'll typically do better in poetry with an emotion-driven topic than an intellectual or conceptual one.



              Next marry it to some specific sensory imagery or experiences --the feel of the weather outside the last time you saw someone, or the smell of childhood. Then decide what structure you want --something with strict rhythm and rhyme? Or free verse?



              The artistry comes in terms of how well and how naturally you bring those very different things together (topic/theme, imagery, formal structure).






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              The reason your 4th grade poems didn't have any depth is you weren't putting any in there. As you said, they were just fun bits of doggerel that rhymed. If you want deeper poetry, choose a deeper topic: Heartbreak, spirituality, acceptance, isolation, depression, love, hope, beauty, nostalgia, friendship, and so forth. In my experience, you'll typically do better in poetry with an emotion-driven topic than an intellectual or conceptual one.



              Next marry it to some specific sensory imagery or experiences --the feel of the weather outside the last time you saw someone, or the smell of childhood. Then decide what structure you want --something with strict rhythm and rhyme? Or free verse?



              The artistry comes in terms of how well and how naturally you bring those very different things together (topic/theme, imagery, formal structure).







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                +1, but note that a deep topic doesn't have to be negative, as most of your examples are. Love, hope, beauty, nostalgia - those could all be treated as deep subjects.

                – Galastel
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              • @Galastel Personally, I only tend to write poetry when I'm depressed :D But I edited your suggestions into my post

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                +1, but note that a deep topic doesn't have to be negative, as most of your examples are. Love, hope, beauty, nostalgia - those could all be treated as deep subjects.

                – Galastel
                yesterday











              • @Galastel Personally, I only tend to write poetry when I'm depressed :D But I edited your suggestions into my post

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              +1, but note that a deep topic doesn't have to be negative, as most of your examples are. Love, hope, beauty, nostalgia - those could all be treated as deep subjects.

              – Galastel
              yesterday





              +1, but note that a deep topic doesn't have to be negative, as most of your examples are. Love, hope, beauty, nostalgia - those could all be treated as deep subjects.

              – Galastel
              yesterday













              @Galastel Personally, I only tend to write poetry when I'm depressed :D But I edited your suggestions into my post

              – Chris Sunami
              yesterday





              @Galastel Personally, I only tend to write poetry when I'm depressed :D But I edited your suggestions into my post

              – Chris Sunami
              yesterday











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              In my own very brief experimentation with poetry, I always found it helpful to start with the image, the symbolism, as it were. So I wouldn't be "giving my poem more symbolism" - I'd start with the picture in my mind, and write the poem around that. In that fashion, I could replace words with synonyms, shift words around, scrape everything and start from scratch with a different rhyming scheme, and the core idea of the poem would remain the same.



              So, for example, in this poem (written in highschool), I started with the image of "war orphan himself going to war - phoenix, dying so his son can be born":




              Like a phoenix, I was born from the ashes.

              When the fires of battle have died,

              In the air rang my life's first cry.



              I have never known my father -

              The phoenix is orphaned from birth,

              But I've been raised like all others,

              Learning both of sorrow and mirth.



              I have been like all other teenagers,

              Finding true love's kisses' first joy.

              I've got work, I am earning my wages,

              And my wife has begotten a boy.



              Lo! Of battle again rings the cry.

              In the fires of battle I die,

              But my son will be born from the ashes.




              It's not a good poem, but because it is not good, it is easy to see in it how everything is built on the image at the core. (In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first".)



              It's not an approach that would always work. For example, it might be that you are trying to tell a story in verse. In such a case, the story, not a particular picture, is at the heart of what you're writing, and everything else has to embellish that. But it is one approach, that you might find helpful, if only for practice.






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                'In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first"' - So true and helpful to understand how the best works are harder to take lessons from, because they are so well integrated it's difficult to understand each component on its own.

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              In my own very brief experimentation with poetry, I always found it helpful to start with the image, the symbolism, as it were. So I wouldn't be "giving my poem more symbolism" - I'd start with the picture in my mind, and write the poem around that. In that fashion, I could replace words with synonyms, shift words around, scrape everything and start from scratch with a different rhyming scheme, and the core idea of the poem would remain the same.



              So, for example, in this poem (written in highschool), I started with the image of "war orphan himself going to war - phoenix, dying so his son can be born":




              Like a phoenix, I was born from the ashes.

              When the fires of battle have died,

              In the air rang my life's first cry.



              I have never known my father -

              The phoenix is orphaned from birth,

              But I've been raised like all others,

              Learning both of sorrow and mirth.



              I have been like all other teenagers,

              Finding true love's kisses' first joy.

              I've got work, I am earning my wages,

              And my wife has begotten a boy.



              Lo! Of battle again rings the cry.

              In the fires of battle I die,

              But my son will be born from the ashes.




              It's not a good poem, but because it is not good, it is easy to see in it how everything is built on the image at the core. (In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first".)



              It's not an approach that would always work. For example, it might be that you are trying to tell a story in verse. In such a case, the story, not a particular picture, is at the heart of what you're writing, and everything else has to embellish that. But it is one approach, that you might find helpful, if only for practice.






              share|improve this answer



















              • 1





                'In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first"' - So true and helpful to understand how the best works are harder to take lessons from, because they are so well integrated it's difficult to understand each component on its own.

                – Todd Wilcox
                22 hours ago














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              In my own very brief experimentation with poetry, I always found it helpful to start with the image, the symbolism, as it were. So I wouldn't be "giving my poem more symbolism" - I'd start with the picture in my mind, and write the poem around that. In that fashion, I could replace words with synonyms, shift words around, scrape everything and start from scratch with a different rhyming scheme, and the core idea of the poem would remain the same.



              So, for example, in this poem (written in highschool), I started with the image of "war orphan himself going to war - phoenix, dying so his son can be born":




              Like a phoenix, I was born from the ashes.

              When the fires of battle have died,

              In the air rang my life's first cry.



              I have never known my father -

              The phoenix is orphaned from birth,

              But I've been raised like all others,

              Learning both of sorrow and mirth.



              I have been like all other teenagers,

              Finding true love's kisses' first joy.

              I've got work, I am earning my wages,

              And my wife has begotten a boy.



              Lo! Of battle again rings the cry.

              In the fires of battle I die,

              But my son will be born from the ashes.




              It's not a good poem, but because it is not good, it is easy to see in it how everything is built on the image at the core. (In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first".)



              It's not an approach that would always work. For example, it might be that you are trying to tell a story in verse. In such a case, the story, not a particular picture, is at the heart of what you're writing, and everything else has to embellish that. But it is one approach, that you might find helpful, if only for practice.






              share|improve this answer













              In my own very brief experimentation with poetry, I always found it helpful to start with the image, the symbolism, as it were. So I wouldn't be "giving my poem more symbolism" - I'd start with the picture in my mind, and write the poem around that. In that fashion, I could replace words with synonyms, shift words around, scrape everything and start from scratch with a different rhyming scheme, and the core idea of the poem would remain the same.



              So, for example, in this poem (written in highschool), I started with the image of "war orphan himself going to war - phoenix, dying so his son can be born":




              Like a phoenix, I was born from the ashes.

              When the fires of battle have died,

              In the air rang my life's first cry.



              I have never known my father -

              The phoenix is orphaned from birth,

              But I've been raised like all others,

              Learning both of sorrow and mirth.



              I have been like all other teenagers,

              Finding true love's kisses' first joy.

              I've got work, I am earning my wages,

              And my wife has begotten a boy.



              Lo! Of battle again rings the cry.

              In the fires of battle I die,

              But my son will be born from the ashes.




              It's not a good poem, but because it is not good, it is easy to see in it how everything is built on the image at the core. (In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first".)



              It's not an approach that would always work. For example, it might be that you are trying to tell a story in verse. In such a case, the story, not a particular picture, is at the heart of what you're writing, and everything else has to embellish that. But it is one approach, that you might find helpful, if only for practice.







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              • 1





                'In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first"' - So true and helpful to understand how the best works are harder to take lessons from, because they are so well integrated it's difficult to understand each component on its own.

                – Todd Wilcox
                22 hours ago














              • 1





                'In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first"' - So true and helpful to understand how the best works are harder to take lessons from, because they are so well integrated it's difficult to understand each component on its own.

                – Todd Wilcox
                22 hours ago








              1




              1





              'In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first"' - So true and helpful to understand how the best works are harder to take lessons from, because they are so well integrated it's difficult to understand each component on its own.

              – Todd Wilcox
              22 hours ago





              'In Shakespeare's work, everything fits together perfectly and seamlessly, so it's harder to pick it apart and say "this came first"' - So true and helpful to understand how the best works are harder to take lessons from, because they are so well integrated it's difficult to understand each component on its own.

              – Todd Wilcox
              22 hours ago











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              What is depth?

              Drag the bucket up;

              Sloshing water dripping darkly down,

              Back into the shadows of the well.



              Slake your thirst;

              Gulp the water down -

              Chilly and refreshing, drawn right up

              From the depths beneath - an endless well.



              If you say

              Only just one thing,

              Like a stone, that can't be anything

              But a stone, your words will have no depth.



              Tell a tale -

              What else does it mean?

              If there is no answer, then it means

              Only what you said - it has no depth.



              Metaphor,

              Archetypal shapes

              Lurking back behind the front-most shape -

              Will that give a poem deeper depth?



              What is depth?

              Drag the bucket up.

              Water which you did not draw before

              From the deep and shadowed selfsame well.






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                What is depth?

                Drag the bucket up;

                Sloshing water dripping darkly down,

                Back into the shadows of the well.



                Slake your thirst;

                Gulp the water down -

                Chilly and refreshing, drawn right up

                From the depths beneath - an endless well.



                If you say

                Only just one thing,

                Like a stone, that can't be anything

                But a stone, your words will have no depth.



                Tell a tale -

                What else does it mean?

                If there is no answer, then it means

                Only what you said - it has no depth.



                Metaphor,

                Archetypal shapes

                Lurking back behind the front-most shape -

                Will that give a poem deeper depth?



                What is depth?

                Drag the bucket up.

                Water which you did not draw before

                From the deep and shadowed selfsame well.






                share|improve this answer


























                  2












                  2








                  2







                  What is depth?

                  Drag the bucket up;

                  Sloshing water dripping darkly down,

                  Back into the shadows of the well.



                  Slake your thirst;

                  Gulp the water down -

                  Chilly and refreshing, drawn right up

                  From the depths beneath - an endless well.



                  If you say

                  Only just one thing,

                  Like a stone, that can't be anything

                  But a stone, your words will have no depth.



                  Tell a tale -

                  What else does it mean?

                  If there is no answer, then it means

                  Only what you said - it has no depth.



                  Metaphor,

                  Archetypal shapes

                  Lurking back behind the front-most shape -

                  Will that give a poem deeper depth?



                  What is depth?

                  Drag the bucket up.

                  Water which you did not draw before

                  From the deep and shadowed selfsame well.






                  share|improve this answer













                  What is depth?

                  Drag the bucket up;

                  Sloshing water dripping darkly down,

                  Back into the shadows of the well.



                  Slake your thirst;

                  Gulp the water down -

                  Chilly and refreshing, drawn right up

                  From the depths beneath - an endless well.



                  If you say

                  Only just one thing,

                  Like a stone, that can't be anything

                  But a stone, your words will have no depth.



                  Tell a tale -

                  What else does it mean?

                  If there is no answer, then it means

                  Only what you said - it has no depth.



                  Metaphor,

                  Archetypal shapes

                  Lurking back behind the front-most shape -

                  Will that give a poem deeper depth?



                  What is depth?

                  Drag the bucket up.

                  Water which you did not draw before

                  From the deep and shadowed selfsame well.







                  share|improve this answer












                  share|improve this answer



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