Can we use decreasing step size to replace mini-batch in SGD?
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As far as I know, mini-batch can be used to reduce the variance of the gradient, but I am also considering if we can achieve the same result if we use the decreasing step size and only single sample in each iteration? Can we compare the convergence rate of them?
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As far as I know, mini-batch can be used to reduce the variance of the gradient, but I am also considering if we can achieve the same result if we use the decreasing step size and only single sample in each iteration? Can we compare the convergence rate of them?
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As far as I know, mini-batch can be used to reduce the variance of the gradient, but I am also considering if we can achieve the same result if we use the decreasing step size and only single sample in each iteration? Can we compare the convergence rate of them?
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As far as I know, mini-batch can be used to reduce the variance of the gradient, but I am also considering if we can achieve the same result if we use the decreasing step size and only single sample in each iteration? Can we compare the convergence rate of them?
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Generally answer is "it's not known". Similarity of effects of increasing minibatches size and decreasing learning rate is mostly empirical, there is no known asymptotic formula for it. Also effect of small LR and big minibatch is not the same. For example batch normalization layer would act completely different on those two approaches. Probabilistic distribution of gradients produced by minibatches and single sample (or mb of significantly different size) would be also quite different
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Generally answer is "it's not known". Similarity of effects of increasing minibatches size and decreasing learning rate is mostly empirical, there is no known asymptotic formula for it. Also effect of small LR and big minibatch is not the same. For example batch normalization layer would act completely different on those two approaches. Probabilistic distribution of gradients produced by minibatches and single sample (or mb of significantly different size) would be also quite different
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Generally answer is "it's not known". Similarity of effects of increasing minibatches size and decreasing learning rate is mostly empirical, there is no known asymptotic formula for it. Also effect of small LR and big minibatch is not the same. For example batch normalization layer would act completely different on those two approaches. Probabilistic distribution of gradients produced by minibatches and single sample (or mb of significantly different size) would be also quite different
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Generally answer is "it's not known". Similarity of effects of increasing minibatches size and decreasing learning rate is mostly empirical, there is no known asymptotic formula for it. Also effect of small LR and big minibatch is not the same. For example batch normalization layer would act completely different on those two approaches. Probabilistic distribution of gradients produced by minibatches and single sample (or mb of significantly different size) would be also quite different
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Generally answer is "it's not known". Similarity of effects of increasing minibatches size and decreasing learning rate is mostly empirical, there is no known asymptotic formula for it. Also effect of small LR and big minibatch is not the same. For example batch normalization layer would act completely different on those two approaches. Probabilistic distribution of gradients produced by minibatches and single sample (or mb of significantly different size) would be also quite different
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