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In Tokyo, I saw this sign next to the smoking area.
It says
Please smoke with good manners in the area surrounded by planters.
The part "with good manners" sounds a bit weird to me. Is it just me, or is it not idiomatic?
One can have/teach/forget manners
He dressed well and had impeccable manners.
They taught him his manners.
I'm sorry, I was forgetting my manners.
but "with manners" seems a bit off, doesn't it? How would you say it?
phrase-meaning phrase-choice idiomatic-language
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In Tokyo, I saw this sign next to the smoking area.
It says
Please smoke with good manners in the area surrounded by planters.
The part "with good manners" sounds a bit weird to me. Is it just me, or is it not idiomatic?
One can have/teach/forget manners
He dressed well and had impeccable manners.
They taught him his manners.
I'm sorry, I was forgetting my manners.
but "with manners" seems a bit off, doesn't it? How would you say it?
phrase-meaning phrase-choice idiomatic-language
asked 1 hour ago
Andrew TobilkoAndrew Tobilko
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In Tokyo, I saw this sign next to the smoking area.
It says
Please smoke with good manners in the area surrounded by planters.
The part "with good manners" sounds a bit weird to me. Is it just me, or is it not idiomatic?
One can have/teach/forget manners
He dressed well and had impeccable manners.
They taught him his manners.
I'm sorry, I was forgetting my manners.
but "with manners" seems a bit off, doesn't it? How would you say it?
phrase-meaning phrase-choice idiomatic-language
asked 1 hour ago
Andrew TobilkoAndrew Tobilko
2,4291825
In Tokyo, I saw this sign next to the smoking area.
It says
Please smoke with good manners in the area surrounded by planters.
The part "with good manners" sounds a bit weird to me. Is it just me, or is it not idiomatic?
One can have/teach/forget manners
He dressed well and had impeccable manners.
They taught him his manners.
I'm sorry, I was forgetting my manners.
but "with manners" seems a bit off, doesn't it? How would you say it?
phrase-meaning phrase-choice idiomatic-language
phrase-meaning phrase-choice idiomatic-language
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Andrew TobilkoAndrew Tobilko
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While you can do things with good manners, it is rare to direct someone to do so in imperatives. Unless addressing children, it is not required to remind people to be polite— a person with good upbringing has good manners out of habit; an poorly raised person cannot tell the difference, anyway.
This may reflect a difference of cultural perception, but I think more likely that it is simply a poor translation from Japanese. A search on "smoke with good manners" mostly returns results from Japan. Considerate would be the more idiomatic adjective to use to remind people to think of others, so a similar campaign in an English-speaking city might be please be a considerate smoker or please be considerate when smoking, phrasings which are common in such signs.
When speaking generally of politeness, consideration, and other positive social behavior, good manners are something you have, not something you do (as with one's habits or one's nature). Someone with good manners may be said to be well-mannered, and someone without good manners is ill-mannered; it is more usually expressed that someone has good manners, than that they do something with good manners.
answered 47 mins ago
chosterchoster
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I Googled the phrase as you suggest. And though it does seem to be a Japanese thing, very interestingly I found a page with this line: There are people who hate cigarette smoke, so please try to smoke with good manners. Apparently the blog belongs to an American living in Japan. So he must be the one that did all the signs in Japan. (jk)
– Eddie Kal
28 mins ago
great answer, thank you! If I changed "please be considerate of our residents" to "please be considerate to our residents", would it still be OK?
– Andrew Tobilko
23 mins ago
@AndrewTobilko I think either please be considerate of or please be considerate to would be acceptable. By no means is please be considerate the only phrasing in such signs; others might exhort the public to please respect our neighbors or to be a good neighbor, for example (or resident or "citizen" or member, etc. in place of neighbor where applicable).
– choster
5 mins ago
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It is not uncommon to see "with good manners". For example see Google and Google Books. You can learn good manners, practice good manners, or keep good manners.
answered 1 hour ago
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While you can do things with good manners, it is rare to direct someone to do so in imperatives. Unless addressing children, it is not required to remind people to be polite— a person with good upbringing has good manners out of habit; an poorly raised person cannot tell the difference, anyway.
This may reflect a difference of cultural perception, but I think more likely that it is simply a poor translation from Japanese. A search on "smoke with good manners" mostly returns results from Japan. Considerate would be the more idiomatic adjective to use to remind people to think of others, so a similar campaign in an English-speaking city might be please be a considerate smoker or please be considerate when smoking, phrasings which are common in such signs.
When speaking generally of politeness, consideration, and other positive social behavior, good manners are something you have, not something you do (as with one's habits or one's nature). Someone with good manners may be said to be well-mannered, and someone without good manners is ill-mannered; it is more usually expressed that someone has good manners, than that they do something with good manners.
answered 47 mins ago
chosterchoster
14.7k3664
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I Googled the phrase as you suggest. And though it does seem to be a Japanese thing, very interestingly I found a page with this line: There are people who hate cigarette smoke, so please try to smoke with good manners. Apparently the blog belongs to an American living in Japan. So he must be the one that did all the signs in Japan. (jk)
– Eddie Kal
28 mins ago
great answer, thank you! If I changed "please be considerate of our residents" to "please be considerate to our residents", would it still be OK?
– Andrew Tobilko
23 mins ago
@AndrewTobilko I think either please be considerate of or please be considerate to would be acceptable. By no means is please be considerate the only phrasing in such signs; others might exhort the public to please respect our neighbors or to be a good neighbor, for example (or resident or "citizen" or member, etc. in place of neighbor where applicable).
– choster
5 mins ago
add a comment |
While you can do things with good manners, it is rare to direct someone to do so in imperatives. Unless addressing children, it is not required to remind people to be polite— a person with good upbringing has good manners out of habit; an poorly raised person cannot tell the difference, anyway.
This may reflect a difference of cultural perception, but I think more likely that it is simply a poor translation from Japanese. A search on "smoke with good manners" mostly returns results from Japan. Considerate would be the more idiomatic adjective to use to remind people to think of others, so a similar campaign in an English-speaking city might be please be a considerate smoker or please be considerate when smoking, phrasings which are common in such signs.
When speaking generally of politeness, consideration, and other positive social behavior, good manners are something you have, not something you do (as with one's habits or one's nature). Someone with good manners may be said to be well-mannered, and someone without good manners is ill-mannered; it is more usually expressed that someone has good manners, than that they do something with good manners.
answered 47 mins ago
chosterchoster
14.7k3664
1
I Googled the phrase as you suggest. And though it does seem to be a Japanese thing, very interestingly I found a page with this line: There are people who hate cigarette smoke, so please try to smoke with good manners. Apparently the blog belongs to an American living in Japan. So he must be the one that did all the signs in Japan. (jk)
– Eddie Kal
28 mins ago
great answer, thank you! If I changed "please be considerate of our residents" to "please be considerate to our residents", would it still be OK?
– Andrew Tobilko
23 mins ago
@AndrewTobilko I think either please be considerate of or please be considerate to would be acceptable. By no means is please be considerate the only phrasing in such signs; others might exhort the public to please respect our neighbors or to be a good neighbor, for example (or resident or "citizen" or member, etc. in place of neighbor where applicable).
– choster
5 mins ago
add a comment |
While you can do things with good manners, it is rare to direct someone to do so in imperatives. Unless addressing children, it is not required to remind people to be polite— a person with good upbringing has good manners out of habit; an poorly raised person cannot tell the difference, anyway.
This may reflect a difference of cultural perception, but I think more likely that it is simply a poor translation from Japanese. A search on "smoke with good manners" mostly returns results from Japan. Considerate would be the more idiomatic adjective to use to remind people to think of others, so a similar campaign in an English-speaking city might be please be a considerate smoker or please be considerate when smoking, phrasings which are common in such signs.
When speaking generally of politeness, consideration, and other positive social behavior, good manners are something you have, not something you do (as with one's habits or one's nature). Someone with good manners may be said to be well-mannered, and someone without good manners is ill-mannered; it is more usually expressed that someone has good manners, than that they do something with good manners.
answered 47 mins ago
chosterchoster
14.7k3664
While you can do things with good manners, it is rare to direct someone to do so in imperatives. Unless addressing children, it is not required to remind people to be polite— a person with good upbringing has good manners out of habit; an poorly raised person cannot tell the difference, anyway.
This may reflect a difference of cultural perception, but I think more likely that it is simply a poor translation from Japanese. A search on "smoke with good manners" mostly returns results from Japan. Considerate would be the more idiomatic adjective to use to remind people to think of others, so a similar campaign in an English-speaking city might be please be a considerate smoker or please be considerate when smoking, phrasings which are common in such signs.
When speaking generally of politeness, consideration, and other positive social behavior, good manners are something you have, not something you do (as with one's habits or one's nature). Someone with good manners may be said to be well-mannered, and someone without good manners is ill-mannered; it is more usually expressed that someone has good manners, than that they do something with good manners.
answered 47 mins ago
chosterchoster
14.7k3664
answered 47 mins ago
chosterchoster
14.7k3664
answered 47 mins ago
chosterchoster
14.7k3664
answered 47 mins ago
chosterchoster
14.7k3664
14.7k3664
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I Googled the phrase as you suggest. And though it does seem to be a Japanese thing, very interestingly I found a page with this line: There are people who hate cigarette smoke, so please try to smoke with good manners. Apparently the blog belongs to an American living in Japan. So he must be the one that did all the signs in Japan. (jk)
– Eddie Kal
28 mins ago
great answer, thank you! If I changed "please be considerate of our residents" to "please be considerate to our residents", would it still be OK?
– Andrew Tobilko
23 mins ago
@AndrewTobilko I think either please be considerate of or please be considerate to would be acceptable. By no means is please be considerate the only phrasing in such signs; others might exhort the public to please respect our neighbors or to be a good neighbor, for example (or resident or "citizen" or member, etc. in place of neighbor where applicable).
– choster
5 mins ago
add a comment |
1
I Googled the phrase as you suggest. And though it does seem to be a Japanese thing, very interestingly I found a page with this line: There are people who hate cigarette smoke, so please try to smoke with good manners. Apparently the blog belongs to an American living in Japan. So he must be the one that did all the signs in Japan. (jk)
– Eddie Kal
28 mins ago
great answer, thank you! If I changed "please be considerate of our residents" to "please be considerate to our residents", would it still be OK?
– Andrew Tobilko
23 mins ago
@AndrewTobilko I think either please be considerate of or please be considerate to would be acceptable. By no means is please be considerate the only phrasing in such signs; others might exhort the public to please respect our neighbors or to be a good neighbor, for example (or resident or "citizen" or member, etc. in place of neighbor where applicable).
– choster
5 mins ago
1
1
I Googled the phrase as you suggest. And though it does seem to be a Japanese thing, very interestingly I found a page with this line: There are people who hate cigarette smoke, so please try to smoke with good manners. Apparently the blog belongs to an American living in Japan. So he must be the one that did all the signs in Japan. (jk)
– Eddie Kal
28 mins ago
I Googled the phrase as you suggest. And though it does seem to be a Japanese thing, very interestingly I found a page with this line: There are people who hate cigarette smoke, so please try to smoke with good manners. Apparently the blog belongs to an American living in Japan. So he must be the one that did all the signs in Japan. (jk)
– Eddie Kal
28 mins ago
great answer, thank you! If I changed "please be considerate of our residents" to "please be considerate to our residents", would it still be OK?
– Andrew Tobilko
23 mins ago
great answer, thank you! If I changed "please be considerate of our residents" to "please be considerate to our residents", would it still be OK?
– Andrew Tobilko
23 mins ago
@AndrewTobilko I think either please be considerate of or please be considerate to would be acceptable. By no means is please be considerate the only phrasing in such signs; others might exhort the public to please respect our neighbors or to be a good neighbor, for example (or resident or "citizen" or member, etc. in place of neighbor where applicable).
– choster
5 mins ago
@AndrewTobilko I think either please be considerate of or please be considerate to would be acceptable. By no means is please be considerate the only phrasing in such signs; others might exhort the public to please respect our neighbors or to be a good neighbor, for example (or resident or "citizen" or member, etc. in place of neighbor where applicable).
– choster
5 mins ago
add a comment |
It is not uncommon to see "with good manners". For example see Google and Google Books. You can learn good manners, practice good manners, or keep good manners.
answered 1 hour ago
Eddie KalEddie Kal
8,39862968
add a comment |
It is not uncommon to see "with good manners". For example see Google and Google Books. You can learn good manners, practice good manners, or keep good manners.
answered 1 hour ago
Eddie KalEddie Kal
8,39862968
add a comment |
It is not uncommon to see "with good manners". For example see Google and Google Books. You can learn good manners, practice good manners, or keep good manners.
answered 1 hour ago
Eddie KalEddie Kal
8,39862968
It is not uncommon to see "with good manners". For example see Google and Google Books. You can learn good manners, practice good manners, or keep good manners.
answered 1 hour ago
Eddie KalEddie Kal
8,39862968
answered 1 hour ago
Eddie KalEddie Kal
8,39862968
answered 1 hour ago
Eddie KalEddie Kal
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answered 1 hour ago
Eddie KalEddie Kal
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