Do I need to cite a working paper that was written after I wrote/presented my manuscript?
I need some help deciding how to cite a paper that is rather similar to my own. I wrote a paper in Nov 2017 and presented it at conference that year when I was 8 months pregnant. Then I went and had a baby. I didn't submit it, because I was a bit overwhelmed and I felt like noone else was doing work on this problem so the paper was "safe." (I didn't get maternity leave so I just had to keep teaching my full load with a newborn - not something I would recommend.)
I presented a follow-up paper at Nov 2018 conferences and one of the other papers on my panel was VERY similar to my 2017 paper. It seems somewhat like an extension of my work, although they were not aware of my work. (Which seems a bit ridiculous because we go to overlapping conferences.) At least one of the authors on the other paper is senior/famous.
Now, I am pushing hard to submit my 2017 paper to an Economics journal this month. How should I cite/discuss their paper? Right now, I am leaning toward not talking about their paper but instead putting a note about their work in my comments to the editor and letting the editor decide how it should be included.
Since seeing my 2018 presentation, they added the following to their paper's conclusions: "During the course of writing this paper, we became aware of a working paper that [general topic] (see ...). [Then they explain in two sentences how their work is distinct, of course making my work sound a bit more basic than theirs.]"
Do I need to do something like this in my text? It feels a bit unfair since I demonstrably had the idea first.
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I need some help deciding how to cite a paper that is rather similar to my own. I wrote a paper in Nov 2017 and presented it at conference that year when I was 8 months pregnant. Then I went and had a baby. I didn't submit it, because I was a bit overwhelmed and I felt like noone else was doing work on this problem so the paper was "safe." (I didn't get maternity leave so I just had to keep teaching my full load with a newborn - not something I would recommend.)
I presented a follow-up paper at Nov 2018 conferences and one of the other papers on my panel was VERY similar to my 2017 paper. It seems somewhat like an extension of my work, although they were not aware of my work. (Which seems a bit ridiculous because we go to overlapping conferences.) At least one of the authors on the other paper is senior/famous.
Now, I am pushing hard to submit my 2017 paper to an Economics journal this month. How should I cite/discuss their paper? Right now, I am leaning toward not talking about their paper but instead putting a note about their work in my comments to the editor and letting the editor decide how it should be included.
Since seeing my 2018 presentation, they added the following to their paper's conclusions: "During the course of writing this paper, we became aware of a working paper that [general topic] (see ...). [Then they explain in two sentences how their work is distinct, of course making my work sound a bit more basic than theirs.]"
Do I need to do something like this in my text? It feels a bit unfair since I demonstrably had the idea first.
publications ethics paper-submission etiquitte
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I need some help deciding how to cite a paper that is rather similar to my own. I wrote a paper in Nov 2017 and presented it at conference that year when I was 8 months pregnant. Then I went and had a baby. I didn't submit it, because I was a bit overwhelmed and I felt like noone else was doing work on this problem so the paper was "safe." (I didn't get maternity leave so I just had to keep teaching my full load with a newborn - not something I would recommend.)
I presented a follow-up paper at Nov 2018 conferences and one of the other papers on my panel was VERY similar to my 2017 paper. It seems somewhat like an extension of my work, although they were not aware of my work. (Which seems a bit ridiculous because we go to overlapping conferences.) At least one of the authors on the other paper is senior/famous.
Now, I am pushing hard to submit my 2017 paper to an Economics journal this month. How should I cite/discuss their paper? Right now, I am leaning toward not talking about their paper but instead putting a note about their work in my comments to the editor and letting the editor decide how it should be included.
Since seeing my 2018 presentation, they added the following to their paper's conclusions: "During the course of writing this paper, we became aware of a working paper that [general topic] (see ...). [Then they explain in two sentences how their work is distinct, of course making my work sound a bit more basic than theirs.]"
Do I need to do something like this in my text? It feels a bit unfair since I demonstrably had the idea first.
publications ethics paper-submission etiquitte
I need some help deciding how to cite a paper that is rather similar to my own. I wrote a paper in Nov 2017 and presented it at conference that year when I was 8 months pregnant. Then I went and had a baby. I didn't submit it, because I was a bit overwhelmed and I felt like noone else was doing work on this problem so the paper was "safe." (I didn't get maternity leave so I just had to keep teaching my full load with a newborn - not something I would recommend.)
I presented a follow-up paper at Nov 2018 conferences and one of the other papers on my panel was VERY similar to my 2017 paper. It seems somewhat like an extension of my work, although they were not aware of my work. (Which seems a bit ridiculous because we go to overlapping conferences.) At least one of the authors on the other paper is senior/famous.
Now, I am pushing hard to submit my 2017 paper to an Economics journal this month. How should I cite/discuss their paper? Right now, I am leaning toward not talking about their paper but instead putting a note about their work in my comments to the editor and letting the editor decide how it should be included.
Since seeing my 2018 presentation, they added the following to their paper's conclusions: "During the course of writing this paper, we became aware of a working paper that [general topic] (see ...). [Then they explain in two sentences how their work is distinct, of course making my work sound a bit more basic than theirs.]"
Do I need to do something like this in my text? It feels a bit unfair since I demonstrably had the idea first.
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Asking your editor is a good solution to an unusual situation. You could also include a note at the end of your paper citing the more recent work and giving an explanation that is complementary to the note in the other paper.
But someone who reads either of the papers would want to be apprised of the other, so the citation would be useful to researchers.
I think the priority of your work is clear, from what you say, and is recognized by the other authors, so there is no reason to disguise or omit any information.
See you can "get away with it". There is a graceful way to make these comments and it is not so strange. See this in the literature.
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I would say something similar to what they did. You do need to cite their paper since you know about it (don't need to say your work only came from theirs).
It is possible that it may be hard to get what you have done, published, given that the field has moved on. But you probably can. There are so many journals out there. And there will be some differences. And the working paper was running around. But move fast. Time's wasting.
Also, let it be a lesson on getting scooped. But I hope the pregnancy went well! I probably wouldn't literally trade my firstborn for a pub count. ;-) But still, you will find in your life that there are times when you can't finish something or do it exactly how you wanted to (for example funding runs out, other things call). In those cases, I recommend to try for a fast, simple publication. Perhaps in a bit lower tier journal. But don't wait. (See E. Bright Wilson On Scientific Research for some explanation of this attitude. It is not sleazy but reasonable.)
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Asking your editor is a good solution to an unusual situation. You could also include a note at the end of your paper citing the more recent work and giving an explanation that is complementary to the note in the other paper.
But someone who reads either of the papers would want to be apprised of the other, so the citation would be useful to researchers.
I think the priority of your work is clear, from what you say, and is recognized by the other authors, so there is no reason to disguise or omit any information.
See you can "get away with it". There is a graceful way to make these comments and it is not so strange. See this in the literature.
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Asking your editor is a good solution to an unusual situation. You could also include a note at the end of your paper citing the more recent work and giving an explanation that is complementary to the note in the other paper.
But someone who reads either of the papers would want to be apprised of the other, so the citation would be useful to researchers.
I think the priority of your work is clear, from what you say, and is recognized by the other authors, so there is no reason to disguise or omit any information.
See you can "get away with it". There is a graceful way to make these comments and it is not so strange. See this in the literature.
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Asking your editor is a good solution to an unusual situation. You could also include a note at the end of your paper citing the more recent work and giving an explanation that is complementary to the note in the other paper.
But someone who reads either of the papers would want to be apprised of the other, so the citation would be useful to researchers.
I think the priority of your work is clear, from what you say, and is recognized by the other authors, so there is no reason to disguise or omit any information.
Asking your editor is a good solution to an unusual situation. You could also include a note at the end of your paper citing the more recent work and giving an explanation that is complementary to the note in the other paper.
But someone who reads either of the papers would want to be apprised of the other, so the citation would be useful to researchers.
I think the priority of your work is clear, from what you say, and is recognized by the other authors, so there is no reason to disguise or omit any information.
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See you can "get away with it". There is a graceful way to make these comments and it is not so strange. See this in the literature.
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See you can "get away with it". There is a graceful way to make these comments and it is not so strange. See this in the literature.
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See you can "get away with it". There is a graceful way to make these comments and it is not so strange. See this in the literature.
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See you can "get away with it". There is a graceful way to make these comments and it is not so strange. See this in the literature.
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I would say something similar to what they did. You do need to cite their paper since you know about it (don't need to say your work only came from theirs).
It is possible that it may be hard to get what you have done, published, given that the field has moved on. But you probably can. There are so many journals out there. And there will be some differences. And the working paper was running around. But move fast. Time's wasting.
Also, let it be a lesson on getting scooped. But I hope the pregnancy went well! I probably wouldn't literally trade my firstborn for a pub count. ;-) But still, you will find in your life that there are times when you can't finish something or do it exactly how you wanted to (for example funding runs out, other things call). In those cases, I recommend to try for a fast, simple publication. Perhaps in a bit lower tier journal. But don't wait. (See E. Bright Wilson On Scientific Research for some explanation of this attitude. It is not sleazy but reasonable.)
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I would say something similar to what they did. You do need to cite their paper since you know about it (don't need to say your work only came from theirs).
It is possible that it may be hard to get what you have done, published, given that the field has moved on. But you probably can. There are so many journals out there. And there will be some differences. And the working paper was running around. But move fast. Time's wasting.
Also, let it be a lesson on getting scooped. But I hope the pregnancy went well! I probably wouldn't literally trade my firstborn for a pub count. ;-) But still, you will find in your life that there are times when you can't finish something or do it exactly how you wanted to (for example funding runs out, other things call). In those cases, I recommend to try for a fast, simple publication. Perhaps in a bit lower tier journal. But don't wait. (See E. Bright Wilson On Scientific Research for some explanation of this attitude. It is not sleazy but reasonable.)
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I would say something similar to what they did. You do need to cite their paper since you know about it (don't need to say your work only came from theirs).
It is possible that it may be hard to get what you have done, published, given that the field has moved on. But you probably can. There are so many journals out there. And there will be some differences. And the working paper was running around. But move fast. Time's wasting.
Also, let it be a lesson on getting scooped. But I hope the pregnancy went well! I probably wouldn't literally trade my firstborn for a pub count. ;-) But still, you will find in your life that there are times when you can't finish something or do it exactly how you wanted to (for example funding runs out, other things call). In those cases, I recommend to try for a fast, simple publication. Perhaps in a bit lower tier journal. But don't wait. (See E. Bright Wilson On Scientific Research for some explanation of this attitude. It is not sleazy but reasonable.)
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I would say something similar to what they did. You do need to cite their paper since you know about it (don't need to say your work only came from theirs).
It is possible that it may be hard to get what you have done, published, given that the field has moved on. But you probably can. There are so many journals out there. And there will be some differences. And the working paper was running around. But move fast. Time's wasting.
Also, let it be a lesson on getting scooped. But I hope the pregnancy went well! I probably wouldn't literally trade my firstborn for a pub count. ;-) But still, you will find in your life that there are times when you can't finish something or do it exactly how you wanted to (for example funding runs out, other things call). In those cases, I recommend to try for a fast, simple publication. Perhaps in a bit lower tier journal. But don't wait. (See E. Bright Wilson On Scientific Research for some explanation of this attitude. It is not sleazy but reasonable.)
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