Does becoming a Turaga automatically make one “old” and wise?
When we first meet the original Turaga (Vakama, Nokama, etc), they have lived on Mata Nui for over 1,000 years, and have built their civilization effectively from scratch there while under constant attack from Rahi controlled by Makuta Teridax. As such, I always assumed their general wisdom, apparent physical frailty, and role as village elders were the natural results of their great age and accumulated experience and knowledge. This seems to be supported by the fact that they were the only inhabitants of the island (besides the Makuta) who were aware of the wider universe beyond Mata Nui for over a thousand years.
But in the second movie, we see Toa Lhikan transform from a Toa into a Turaga and immediately assume the role of a wise guide for the Toa Metru. Admittedly, Lhikan was presumably thousands of years old by the time of the events in the film. But the change in his personality is dramatic. At the beginning of the film, he seems to be a stereotypical Toa of fire; he is fiercely protective of Vakama, quick to anger against Nidhiki, and somewhat blunt and gruff towards the other Matoran while distributing Toa Stones ("Don't archive/break it!")
But the next time we see him, in the prison in Po-Metru, he uses his staff like a cane to walk and speaks and acts with a serene calm even when his own life and the fate of his entire world are at stake. He also continuously spouts such incredibly profound wisdoms as:
"Do not rely on your memory. Look beyond your history, and see what is."
This is at the very most mere weeks after his transformation into a Turaga, which presumably occurred when the Matoran placed his Toa Stones into the Toa Suva in the Great Temple.
So, is the apparent great age and wisdom of the Turaga actually the result of their long life? Or does the transformation immediately change their personality and outlook to satisfy the requirements of the role of an elder adviser?
Considering that it was eventually revealed that
the Matoran, Toa, Turaga, and Makuta were all created by the Great Beings to maintain the operations of the enormous space robot known as Mata Nui, whose body they inhabit,
it seems reasonable that their biomechanics could be "prefabricated" for this role. But I'd like to know if there's any more evidence I've overlooked.
bionicle
add a comment |
When we first meet the original Turaga (Vakama, Nokama, etc), they have lived on Mata Nui for over 1,000 years, and have built their civilization effectively from scratch there while under constant attack from Rahi controlled by Makuta Teridax. As such, I always assumed their general wisdom, apparent physical frailty, and role as village elders were the natural results of their great age and accumulated experience and knowledge. This seems to be supported by the fact that they were the only inhabitants of the island (besides the Makuta) who were aware of the wider universe beyond Mata Nui for over a thousand years.
But in the second movie, we see Toa Lhikan transform from a Toa into a Turaga and immediately assume the role of a wise guide for the Toa Metru. Admittedly, Lhikan was presumably thousands of years old by the time of the events in the film. But the change in his personality is dramatic. At the beginning of the film, he seems to be a stereotypical Toa of fire; he is fiercely protective of Vakama, quick to anger against Nidhiki, and somewhat blunt and gruff towards the other Matoran while distributing Toa Stones ("Don't archive/break it!")
But the next time we see him, in the prison in Po-Metru, he uses his staff like a cane to walk and speaks and acts with a serene calm even when his own life and the fate of his entire world are at stake. He also continuously spouts such incredibly profound wisdoms as:
"Do not rely on your memory. Look beyond your history, and see what is."
This is at the very most mere weeks after his transformation into a Turaga, which presumably occurred when the Matoran placed his Toa Stones into the Toa Suva in the Great Temple.
So, is the apparent great age and wisdom of the Turaga actually the result of their long life? Or does the transformation immediately change their personality and outlook to satisfy the requirements of the role of an elder adviser?
Considering that it was eventually revealed that
the Matoran, Toa, Turaga, and Makuta were all created by the Great Beings to maintain the operations of the enormous space robot known as Mata Nui, whose body they inhabit,
it seems reasonable that their biomechanics could be "prefabricated" for this role. But I'd like to know if there's any more evidence I've overlooked.
bionicle
add a comment |
When we first meet the original Turaga (Vakama, Nokama, etc), they have lived on Mata Nui for over 1,000 years, and have built their civilization effectively from scratch there while under constant attack from Rahi controlled by Makuta Teridax. As such, I always assumed their general wisdom, apparent physical frailty, and role as village elders were the natural results of their great age and accumulated experience and knowledge. This seems to be supported by the fact that they were the only inhabitants of the island (besides the Makuta) who were aware of the wider universe beyond Mata Nui for over a thousand years.
But in the second movie, we see Toa Lhikan transform from a Toa into a Turaga and immediately assume the role of a wise guide for the Toa Metru. Admittedly, Lhikan was presumably thousands of years old by the time of the events in the film. But the change in his personality is dramatic. At the beginning of the film, he seems to be a stereotypical Toa of fire; he is fiercely protective of Vakama, quick to anger against Nidhiki, and somewhat blunt and gruff towards the other Matoran while distributing Toa Stones ("Don't archive/break it!")
But the next time we see him, in the prison in Po-Metru, he uses his staff like a cane to walk and speaks and acts with a serene calm even when his own life and the fate of his entire world are at stake. He also continuously spouts such incredibly profound wisdoms as:
"Do not rely on your memory. Look beyond your history, and see what is."
This is at the very most mere weeks after his transformation into a Turaga, which presumably occurred when the Matoran placed his Toa Stones into the Toa Suva in the Great Temple.
So, is the apparent great age and wisdom of the Turaga actually the result of their long life? Or does the transformation immediately change their personality and outlook to satisfy the requirements of the role of an elder adviser?
Considering that it was eventually revealed that
the Matoran, Toa, Turaga, and Makuta were all created by the Great Beings to maintain the operations of the enormous space robot known as Mata Nui, whose body they inhabit,
it seems reasonable that their biomechanics could be "prefabricated" for this role. But I'd like to know if there's any more evidence I've overlooked.
bionicle
When we first meet the original Turaga (Vakama, Nokama, etc), they have lived on Mata Nui for over 1,000 years, and have built their civilization effectively from scratch there while under constant attack from Rahi controlled by Makuta Teridax. As such, I always assumed their general wisdom, apparent physical frailty, and role as village elders were the natural results of their great age and accumulated experience and knowledge. This seems to be supported by the fact that they were the only inhabitants of the island (besides the Makuta) who were aware of the wider universe beyond Mata Nui for over a thousand years.
But in the second movie, we see Toa Lhikan transform from a Toa into a Turaga and immediately assume the role of a wise guide for the Toa Metru. Admittedly, Lhikan was presumably thousands of years old by the time of the events in the film. But the change in his personality is dramatic. At the beginning of the film, he seems to be a stereotypical Toa of fire; he is fiercely protective of Vakama, quick to anger against Nidhiki, and somewhat blunt and gruff towards the other Matoran while distributing Toa Stones ("Don't archive/break it!")
But the next time we see him, in the prison in Po-Metru, he uses his staff like a cane to walk and speaks and acts with a serene calm even when his own life and the fate of his entire world are at stake. He also continuously spouts such incredibly profound wisdoms as:
"Do not rely on your memory. Look beyond your history, and see what is."
This is at the very most mere weeks after his transformation into a Turaga, which presumably occurred when the Matoran placed his Toa Stones into the Toa Suva in the Great Temple.
So, is the apparent great age and wisdom of the Turaga actually the result of their long life? Or does the transformation immediately change their personality and outlook to satisfy the requirements of the role of an elder adviser?
Considering that it was eventually revealed that
the Matoran, Toa, Turaga, and Makuta were all created by the Great Beings to maintain the operations of the enormous space robot known as Mata Nui, whose body they inhabit,
it seems reasonable that their biomechanics could be "prefabricated" for this role. But I'd like to know if there's any more evidence I've overlooked.
bionicle
bionicle
asked 3 mins ago
ApproachingDarknessFishApproachingDarknessFish
10.7k75482
10.7k75482
add a comment |
add a comment |
0
active
oldest
votes
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "186"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});
function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});
}
});
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fscifi.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f205366%2fdoes-becoming-a-turaga-automatically-make-one-old-and-wise%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
0
active
oldest
votes
0
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
Thanks for contributing an answer to Science Fiction & Fantasy Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fscifi.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f205366%2fdoes-becoming-a-turaga-automatically-make-one-old-and-wise%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown