Is Dolores Umbridge Really Only 4 years Older than Harry Potter?
Harry Potter was born in 1980.
According to the Harry Potter Wiki, it stats that Dolores Umbridge was born, at the latest, in 1976, but was born sometime in the 1970s. At the outside of the range, born in 1970, she's 10 years older than Harry Potter. At the inside, she's 4 years older than he is.
Is she really under thirty? If so, is there any particular reason she looks older? (Imelda Staunton, who plays her, was born in 1956.) And how is she so far into her career if she's really that young at the time?
EDIT: At this point, there is no reference to an actual birth year for Umbridge. Knowing the nature of a wiki, at the time I asked this question, I should have included a screenshot to show the birth date information as it was at the time.
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Harry Potter was born in 1980.
According to the Harry Potter Wiki, it stats that Dolores Umbridge was born, at the latest, in 1976, but was born sometime in the 1970s. At the outside of the range, born in 1970, she's 10 years older than Harry Potter. At the inside, she's 4 years older than he is.
Is she really under thirty? If so, is there any particular reason she looks older? (Imelda Staunton, who plays her, was born in 1956.) And how is she so far into her career if she's really that young at the time?
EDIT: At this point, there is no reference to an actual birth year for Umbridge. Knowing the nature of a wiki, at the time I asked this question, I should have included a screenshot to show the birth date information as it was at the time.
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Is there any reference for the 1970s birthdate on the Wikia? I don't recall a single fact showing her age to be this young in the books (and nothing on JKR sourced info). It may very well have been someone's invention for the Wikia to show 1970 as lower bound.
– DVK-on-Ahch-To
Feb 15 '12 at 4:18
It seems the claim she was born in the 70s has been removed.
– Django Reinhardt
May 29 '13 at 0:17
Good. There's no way she was younger than forty. I'd guess at early fifties, even. Just judging by the description of her in the book.
– Arachno-Sapien
Jan 5 '14 at 14:05
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Harry Potter was born in 1980.
According to the Harry Potter Wiki, it stats that Dolores Umbridge was born, at the latest, in 1976, but was born sometime in the 1970s. At the outside of the range, born in 1970, she's 10 years older than Harry Potter. At the inside, she's 4 years older than he is.
Is she really under thirty? If so, is there any particular reason she looks older? (Imelda Staunton, who plays her, was born in 1956.) And how is she so far into her career if she's really that young at the time?
EDIT: At this point, there is no reference to an actual birth year for Umbridge. Knowing the nature of a wiki, at the time I asked this question, I should have included a screenshot to show the birth date information as it was at the time.
harry-potter
Harry Potter was born in 1980.
According to the Harry Potter Wiki, it stats that Dolores Umbridge was born, at the latest, in 1976, but was born sometime in the 1970s. At the outside of the range, born in 1970, she's 10 years older than Harry Potter. At the inside, she's 4 years older than he is.
Is she really under thirty? If so, is there any particular reason she looks older? (Imelda Staunton, who plays her, was born in 1956.) And how is she so far into her career if she's really that young at the time?
EDIT: At this point, there is no reference to an actual birth year for Umbridge. Knowing the nature of a wiki, at the time I asked this question, I should have included a screenshot to show the birth date information as it was at the time.
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Is there any reference for the 1970s birthdate on the Wikia? I don't recall a single fact showing her age to be this young in the books (and nothing on JKR sourced info). It may very well have been someone's invention for the Wikia to show 1970 as lower bound.
– DVK-on-Ahch-To
Feb 15 '12 at 4:18
It seems the claim she was born in the 70s has been removed.
– Django Reinhardt
May 29 '13 at 0:17
Good. There's no way she was younger than forty. I'd guess at early fifties, even. Just judging by the description of her in the book.
– Arachno-Sapien
Jan 5 '14 at 14:05
add a comment |
6
Is there any reference for the 1970s birthdate on the Wikia? I don't recall a single fact showing her age to be this young in the books (and nothing on JKR sourced info). It may very well have been someone's invention for the Wikia to show 1970 as lower bound.
– DVK-on-Ahch-To
Feb 15 '12 at 4:18
It seems the claim she was born in the 70s has been removed.
– Django Reinhardt
May 29 '13 at 0:17
Good. There's no way she was younger than forty. I'd guess at early fifties, even. Just judging by the description of her in the book.
– Arachno-Sapien
Jan 5 '14 at 14:05
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Is there any reference for the 1970s birthdate on the Wikia? I don't recall a single fact showing her age to be this young in the books (and nothing on JKR sourced info). It may very well have been someone's invention for the Wikia to show 1970 as lower bound.
– DVK-on-Ahch-To
Feb 15 '12 at 4:18
Is there any reference for the 1970s birthdate on the Wikia? I don't recall a single fact showing her age to be this young in the books (and nothing on JKR sourced info). It may very well have been someone's invention for the Wikia to show 1970 as lower bound.
– DVK-on-Ahch-To
Feb 15 '12 at 4:18
It seems the claim she was born in the 70s has been removed.
– Django Reinhardt
May 29 '13 at 0:17
It seems the claim she was born in the 70s has been removed.
– Django Reinhardt
May 29 '13 at 0:17
Good. There's no way she was younger than forty. I'd guess at early fifties, even. Just judging by the description of her in the book.
– Arachno-Sapien
Jan 5 '14 at 14:05
Good. There's no way she was younger than forty. I'd guess at early fifties, even. Just judging by the description of her in the book.
– Arachno-Sapien
Jan 5 '14 at 14:05
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It looks like JKR will never give us the exact age, but almost 100% certainly it wasn't "4 years older than Harry". From Umbridge's biography on Pottermore, we have a rough timeline (with no dates):
- {{at seventeen}} Dolores joined the Ministry of Magic directly after she left Hogwarts, taking a job as a lowly intern in the Improper Use of Magic Office.
- ... soon gained her advancement.
Before she was thirty, Dolores had been promoted to Head of the office, and it was but a short step from there to ever more senior positions in the management of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement.
As she grew older and harder, and rose higher within the Ministry...
This is the only thing close to chronology we have... so assuming it took a couple of years to get from Head of Office to Fudge's Undersecretary of Nastiness, she was at least 30 years old at the time of OOTP; and more likely closer to 40 or 50 (vs. Harry's 16). But we just don't know either way.
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It seems that the 1976 isn't an actual guess but is more or less the latest she could have been born based on what is known. From the notes and references section in the wiki they say that Lupin mentioned to Harry that she had drafted some legislation of the anti-werewolf persuasion two years prior (and this was in 1995) which places her legislation in 1993. She would have had to have been out of school at this time which means that at an absolute minimum she could have been 17. If she was 17 in 1993 this gives us a birthyear of approximately 1976.
Most likely she is quite a bit older than this but I don't think there is any evidence that is conclusive.
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Maybe the math is off slightly - I'm just trying to add some possible way the 1976 guess could arise. Note that just because somebody could have been in school at the same time as Harry when he first got there doesn't mean that they couldn't graduate and then write legislation in Harry's 3rd year (Percy eventually writes legislation while Harry is in school). I'm too tired to work out the actual time line at the moment but the basic idea seems to be that you need to be 17 to write legislation. The legislation was written in 1993 - this implies she had to have been born in 1976 or earlier.
– Dason
Feb 15 '12 at 4:27
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For anybody that is reading this answer after October 31, 2014: J.K Rowling's new backstory about Umbridge does make the year of 1976 not possible but I'm going to leave the answer as is.
– Dason
Oct 31 '14 at 20:28
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I do think that JK Rowling imagined Umbridge as a much younger character than Staunton's portrayal in OOTP and DHP1. However, we instantly associate "short, squat woman" with someone quite a bit older, as did the crew on OOTP when they cast Imelda as Umbridge.
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Could you elaborate on what makes you think JKR imagined her as a much younger character? Any particular passages from the book(s), an interview quote, something else? All of the key details I remember about Umbridge are ones I'd associate with a much older woman.
– Anthony Grist
May 29 '13 at 12:35
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Slughorn was head of the slytherin house when she attended Hogwarts. He didn't like her as a student. Thought her to be idiotic.
2
Hmm. So when did Slughorn leave Hogwarts? That detail is needed to figure out how young Umbridge could have been.
– Adamant
Sep 9 '16 at 23:28
@Adamant 1920s-1981, which would put her birthday at the very latest 1970 (ten years before Harry's). But is is not really likely that Slug would of gotten to known a year one student.
– Jonathon
Sep 10 '16 at 2:05
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It looks like JKR will never give us the exact age, but almost 100% certainly it wasn't "4 years older than Harry". From Umbridge's biography on Pottermore, we have a rough timeline (with no dates):
- {{at seventeen}} Dolores joined the Ministry of Magic directly after she left Hogwarts, taking a job as a lowly intern in the Improper Use of Magic Office.
- ... soon gained her advancement.
Before she was thirty, Dolores had been promoted to Head of the office, and it was but a short step from there to ever more senior positions in the management of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement.
As she grew older and harder, and rose higher within the Ministry...
This is the only thing close to chronology we have... so assuming it took a couple of years to get from Head of Office to Fudge's Undersecretary of Nastiness, she was at least 30 years old at the time of OOTP; and more likely closer to 40 or 50 (vs. Harry's 16). But we just don't know either way.
add a comment |
It looks like JKR will never give us the exact age, but almost 100% certainly it wasn't "4 years older than Harry". From Umbridge's biography on Pottermore, we have a rough timeline (with no dates):
- {{at seventeen}} Dolores joined the Ministry of Magic directly after she left Hogwarts, taking a job as a lowly intern in the Improper Use of Magic Office.
- ... soon gained her advancement.
Before she was thirty, Dolores had been promoted to Head of the office, and it was but a short step from there to ever more senior positions in the management of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement.
As she grew older and harder, and rose higher within the Ministry...
This is the only thing close to chronology we have... so assuming it took a couple of years to get from Head of Office to Fudge's Undersecretary of Nastiness, she was at least 30 years old at the time of OOTP; and more likely closer to 40 or 50 (vs. Harry's 16). But we just don't know either way.
add a comment |
It looks like JKR will never give us the exact age, but almost 100% certainly it wasn't "4 years older than Harry". From Umbridge's biography on Pottermore, we have a rough timeline (with no dates):
- {{at seventeen}} Dolores joined the Ministry of Magic directly after she left Hogwarts, taking a job as a lowly intern in the Improper Use of Magic Office.
- ... soon gained her advancement.
Before she was thirty, Dolores had been promoted to Head of the office, and it was but a short step from there to ever more senior positions in the management of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement.
As she grew older and harder, and rose higher within the Ministry...
This is the only thing close to chronology we have... so assuming it took a couple of years to get from Head of Office to Fudge's Undersecretary of Nastiness, she was at least 30 years old at the time of OOTP; and more likely closer to 40 or 50 (vs. Harry's 16). But we just don't know either way.
It looks like JKR will never give us the exact age, but almost 100% certainly it wasn't "4 years older than Harry". From Umbridge's biography on Pottermore, we have a rough timeline (with no dates):
- {{at seventeen}} Dolores joined the Ministry of Magic directly after she left Hogwarts, taking a job as a lowly intern in the Improper Use of Magic Office.
- ... soon gained her advancement.
Before she was thirty, Dolores had been promoted to Head of the office, and it was but a short step from there to ever more senior positions in the management of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement.
As she grew older and harder, and rose higher within the Ministry...
This is the only thing close to chronology we have... so assuming it took a couple of years to get from Head of Office to Fudge's Undersecretary of Nastiness, she was at least 30 years old at the time of OOTP; and more likely closer to 40 or 50 (vs. Harry's 16). But we just don't know either way.
answered Oct 31 '14 at 17:30
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It seems that the 1976 isn't an actual guess but is more or less the latest she could have been born based on what is known. From the notes and references section in the wiki they say that Lupin mentioned to Harry that she had drafted some legislation of the anti-werewolf persuasion two years prior (and this was in 1995) which places her legislation in 1993. She would have had to have been out of school at this time which means that at an absolute minimum she could have been 17. If she was 17 in 1993 this gives us a birthyear of approximately 1976.
Most likely she is quite a bit older than this but I don't think there is any evidence that is conclusive.
1
Maybe the math is off slightly - I'm just trying to add some possible way the 1976 guess could arise. Note that just because somebody could have been in school at the same time as Harry when he first got there doesn't mean that they couldn't graduate and then write legislation in Harry's 3rd year (Percy eventually writes legislation while Harry is in school). I'm too tired to work out the actual time line at the moment but the basic idea seems to be that you need to be 17 to write legislation. The legislation was written in 1993 - this implies she had to have been born in 1976 or earlier.
– Dason
Feb 15 '12 at 4:27
1
For anybody that is reading this answer after October 31, 2014: J.K Rowling's new backstory about Umbridge does make the year of 1976 not possible but I'm going to leave the answer as is.
– Dason
Oct 31 '14 at 20:28
add a comment |
It seems that the 1976 isn't an actual guess but is more or less the latest she could have been born based on what is known. From the notes and references section in the wiki they say that Lupin mentioned to Harry that she had drafted some legislation of the anti-werewolf persuasion two years prior (and this was in 1995) which places her legislation in 1993. She would have had to have been out of school at this time which means that at an absolute minimum she could have been 17. If she was 17 in 1993 this gives us a birthyear of approximately 1976.
Most likely she is quite a bit older than this but I don't think there is any evidence that is conclusive.
1
Maybe the math is off slightly - I'm just trying to add some possible way the 1976 guess could arise. Note that just because somebody could have been in school at the same time as Harry when he first got there doesn't mean that they couldn't graduate and then write legislation in Harry's 3rd year (Percy eventually writes legislation while Harry is in school). I'm too tired to work out the actual time line at the moment but the basic idea seems to be that you need to be 17 to write legislation. The legislation was written in 1993 - this implies she had to have been born in 1976 or earlier.
– Dason
Feb 15 '12 at 4:27
1
For anybody that is reading this answer after October 31, 2014: J.K Rowling's new backstory about Umbridge does make the year of 1976 not possible but I'm going to leave the answer as is.
– Dason
Oct 31 '14 at 20:28
add a comment |
It seems that the 1976 isn't an actual guess but is more or less the latest she could have been born based on what is known. From the notes and references section in the wiki they say that Lupin mentioned to Harry that she had drafted some legislation of the anti-werewolf persuasion two years prior (and this was in 1995) which places her legislation in 1993. She would have had to have been out of school at this time which means that at an absolute minimum she could have been 17. If she was 17 in 1993 this gives us a birthyear of approximately 1976.
Most likely she is quite a bit older than this but I don't think there is any evidence that is conclusive.
It seems that the 1976 isn't an actual guess but is more or less the latest she could have been born based on what is known. From the notes and references section in the wiki they say that Lupin mentioned to Harry that she had drafted some legislation of the anti-werewolf persuasion two years prior (and this was in 1995) which places her legislation in 1993. She would have had to have been out of school at this time which means that at an absolute minimum she could have been 17. If she was 17 in 1993 this gives us a birthyear of approximately 1976.
Most likely she is quite a bit older than this but I don't think there is any evidence that is conclusive.
edited Feb 15 '12 at 15:36
answered Feb 15 '12 at 4:19
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Maybe the math is off slightly - I'm just trying to add some possible way the 1976 guess could arise. Note that just because somebody could have been in school at the same time as Harry when he first got there doesn't mean that they couldn't graduate and then write legislation in Harry's 3rd year (Percy eventually writes legislation while Harry is in school). I'm too tired to work out the actual time line at the moment but the basic idea seems to be that you need to be 17 to write legislation. The legislation was written in 1993 - this implies she had to have been born in 1976 or earlier.
– Dason
Feb 15 '12 at 4:27
1
For anybody that is reading this answer after October 31, 2014: J.K Rowling's new backstory about Umbridge does make the year of 1976 not possible but I'm going to leave the answer as is.
– Dason
Oct 31 '14 at 20:28
add a comment |
1
Maybe the math is off slightly - I'm just trying to add some possible way the 1976 guess could arise. Note that just because somebody could have been in school at the same time as Harry when he first got there doesn't mean that they couldn't graduate and then write legislation in Harry's 3rd year (Percy eventually writes legislation while Harry is in school). I'm too tired to work out the actual time line at the moment but the basic idea seems to be that you need to be 17 to write legislation. The legislation was written in 1993 - this implies she had to have been born in 1976 or earlier.
– Dason
Feb 15 '12 at 4:27
1
For anybody that is reading this answer after October 31, 2014: J.K Rowling's new backstory about Umbridge does make the year of 1976 not possible but I'm going to leave the answer as is.
– Dason
Oct 31 '14 at 20:28
1
1
Maybe the math is off slightly - I'm just trying to add some possible way the 1976 guess could arise. Note that just because somebody could have been in school at the same time as Harry when he first got there doesn't mean that they couldn't graduate and then write legislation in Harry's 3rd year (Percy eventually writes legislation while Harry is in school). I'm too tired to work out the actual time line at the moment but the basic idea seems to be that you need to be 17 to write legislation. The legislation was written in 1993 - this implies she had to have been born in 1976 or earlier.
– Dason
Feb 15 '12 at 4:27
Maybe the math is off slightly - I'm just trying to add some possible way the 1976 guess could arise. Note that just because somebody could have been in school at the same time as Harry when he first got there doesn't mean that they couldn't graduate and then write legislation in Harry's 3rd year (Percy eventually writes legislation while Harry is in school). I'm too tired to work out the actual time line at the moment but the basic idea seems to be that you need to be 17 to write legislation. The legislation was written in 1993 - this implies she had to have been born in 1976 or earlier.
– Dason
Feb 15 '12 at 4:27
1
1
For anybody that is reading this answer after October 31, 2014: J.K Rowling's new backstory about Umbridge does make the year of 1976 not possible but I'm going to leave the answer as is.
– Dason
Oct 31 '14 at 20:28
For anybody that is reading this answer after October 31, 2014: J.K Rowling's new backstory about Umbridge does make the year of 1976 not possible but I'm going to leave the answer as is.
– Dason
Oct 31 '14 at 20:28
add a comment |
I do think that JK Rowling imagined Umbridge as a much younger character than Staunton's portrayal in OOTP and DHP1. However, we instantly associate "short, squat woman" with someone quite a bit older, as did the crew on OOTP when they cast Imelda as Umbridge.
6
Could you elaborate on what makes you think JKR imagined her as a much younger character? Any particular passages from the book(s), an interview quote, something else? All of the key details I remember about Umbridge are ones I'd associate with a much older woman.
– Anthony Grist
May 29 '13 at 12:35
add a comment |
I do think that JK Rowling imagined Umbridge as a much younger character than Staunton's portrayal in OOTP and DHP1. However, we instantly associate "short, squat woman" with someone quite a bit older, as did the crew on OOTP when they cast Imelda as Umbridge.
6
Could you elaborate on what makes you think JKR imagined her as a much younger character? Any particular passages from the book(s), an interview quote, something else? All of the key details I remember about Umbridge are ones I'd associate with a much older woman.
– Anthony Grist
May 29 '13 at 12:35
add a comment |
I do think that JK Rowling imagined Umbridge as a much younger character than Staunton's portrayal in OOTP and DHP1. However, we instantly associate "short, squat woman" with someone quite a bit older, as did the crew on OOTP when they cast Imelda as Umbridge.
I do think that JK Rowling imagined Umbridge as a much younger character than Staunton's portrayal in OOTP and DHP1. However, we instantly associate "short, squat woman" with someone quite a bit older, as did the crew on OOTP when they cast Imelda as Umbridge.
answered May 28 '13 at 22:00
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Could you elaborate on what makes you think JKR imagined her as a much younger character? Any particular passages from the book(s), an interview quote, something else? All of the key details I remember about Umbridge are ones I'd associate with a much older woman.
– Anthony Grist
May 29 '13 at 12:35
add a comment |
6
Could you elaborate on what makes you think JKR imagined her as a much younger character? Any particular passages from the book(s), an interview quote, something else? All of the key details I remember about Umbridge are ones I'd associate with a much older woman.
– Anthony Grist
May 29 '13 at 12:35
6
6
Could you elaborate on what makes you think JKR imagined her as a much younger character? Any particular passages from the book(s), an interview quote, something else? All of the key details I remember about Umbridge are ones I'd associate with a much older woman.
– Anthony Grist
May 29 '13 at 12:35
Could you elaborate on what makes you think JKR imagined her as a much younger character? Any particular passages from the book(s), an interview quote, something else? All of the key details I remember about Umbridge are ones I'd associate with a much older woman.
– Anthony Grist
May 29 '13 at 12:35
add a comment |
Slughorn was head of the slytherin house when she attended Hogwarts. He didn't like her as a student. Thought her to be idiotic.
2
Hmm. So when did Slughorn leave Hogwarts? That detail is needed to figure out how young Umbridge could have been.
– Adamant
Sep 9 '16 at 23:28
@Adamant 1920s-1981, which would put her birthday at the very latest 1970 (ten years before Harry's). But is is not really likely that Slug would of gotten to known a year one student.
– Jonathon
Sep 10 '16 at 2:05
add a comment |
Slughorn was head of the slytherin house when she attended Hogwarts. He didn't like her as a student. Thought her to be idiotic.
2
Hmm. So when did Slughorn leave Hogwarts? That detail is needed to figure out how young Umbridge could have been.
– Adamant
Sep 9 '16 at 23:28
@Adamant 1920s-1981, which would put her birthday at the very latest 1970 (ten years before Harry's). But is is not really likely that Slug would of gotten to known a year one student.
– Jonathon
Sep 10 '16 at 2:05
add a comment |
Slughorn was head of the slytherin house when she attended Hogwarts. He didn't like her as a student. Thought her to be idiotic.
Slughorn was head of the slytherin house when she attended Hogwarts. He didn't like her as a student. Thought her to be idiotic.
answered Sep 9 '16 at 23:18
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Hmm. So when did Slughorn leave Hogwarts? That detail is needed to figure out how young Umbridge could have been.
– Adamant
Sep 9 '16 at 23:28
@Adamant 1920s-1981, which would put her birthday at the very latest 1970 (ten years before Harry's). But is is not really likely that Slug would of gotten to known a year one student.
– Jonathon
Sep 10 '16 at 2:05
add a comment |
2
Hmm. So when did Slughorn leave Hogwarts? That detail is needed to figure out how young Umbridge could have been.
– Adamant
Sep 9 '16 at 23:28
@Adamant 1920s-1981, which would put her birthday at the very latest 1970 (ten years before Harry's). But is is not really likely that Slug would of gotten to known a year one student.
– Jonathon
Sep 10 '16 at 2:05
2
2
Hmm. So when did Slughorn leave Hogwarts? That detail is needed to figure out how young Umbridge could have been.
– Adamant
Sep 9 '16 at 23:28
Hmm. So when did Slughorn leave Hogwarts? That detail is needed to figure out how young Umbridge could have been.
– Adamant
Sep 9 '16 at 23:28
@Adamant 1920s-1981, which would put her birthday at the very latest 1970 (ten years before Harry's). But is is not really likely that Slug would of gotten to known a year one student.
– Jonathon
Sep 10 '16 at 2:05
@Adamant 1920s-1981, which would put her birthday at the very latest 1970 (ten years before Harry's). But is is not really likely that Slug would of gotten to known a year one student.
– Jonathon
Sep 10 '16 at 2:05
add a comment |
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Is there any reference for the 1970s birthdate on the Wikia? I don't recall a single fact showing her age to be this young in the books (and nothing on JKR sourced info). It may very well have been someone's invention for the Wikia to show 1970 as lower bound.
– DVK-on-Ahch-To
Feb 15 '12 at 4:18
It seems the claim she was born in the 70s has been removed.
– Django Reinhardt
May 29 '13 at 0:17
Good. There's no way she was younger than forty. I'd guess at early fifties, even. Just judging by the description of her in the book.
– Arachno-Sapien
Jan 5 '14 at 14:05