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In White Sand 2, by Brandon Sanderson (the Kindle version, at least), there seems to be an astonishing art shift, unexplained and unannounced, at about page 129. Compare these soft tones:



enter image description here
To these crisp lines:



enter image description here



There may be some other slight art shifts. For example, up until page 136, Kenton’s skin seems to be curiously light compared to the previous volume, which seems especially odd given




his Nightside descent.




But it switches to a darker shade about there:



enter image description here



In a serial work, I’d expect that another artist had taken over, but I’ve never seen this in a completed published graphic novel. What’s going on?










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    The only thing I can find quickly is that the book was delayed quite a bit. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they had to switch artists midstream if the first one (Julius Gopez) couldn't meet deadlines. That said, there's usually some comments on that. I can't find mention of a reason, or any particular change of status for the artist or the credits on the books, just a fair number of people just as confused by the art shift.

    – Radhil
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    OK, I found a brief mention of a new artist (Julius Otha?) in one of book's reviews, but I can't find any other info, so I don't know how accurate it is.

    – Radhil
    Mar 1 '18 at 11:22











  • @Radhil - I found the same thread, and a lot of people talk about an artist change but not who the new one was.

    – JohnP
    Mar 1 '18 at 14:59











  • @Radhil the other artist is actually mentioned in the front of the book as well.

    – Martin Ender
    Mar 2 '18 at 7:48











  • @MartinEnder - I don't actually have the book, thus the googling.

    – Radhil
    Mar 2 '18 at 14:43
















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In White Sand 2, by Brandon Sanderson (the Kindle version, at least), there seems to be an astonishing art shift, unexplained and unannounced, at about page 129. Compare these soft tones:



enter image description here
To these crisp lines:



enter image description here



There may be some other slight art shifts. For example, up until page 136, Kenton’s skin seems to be curiously light compared to the previous volume, which seems especially odd given




his Nightside descent.




But it switches to a darker shade about there:



enter image description here



In a serial work, I’d expect that another artist had taken over, but I’ve never seen this in a completed published graphic novel. What’s going on?










share|improve this question




















  • 2





    The only thing I can find quickly is that the book was delayed quite a bit. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they had to switch artists midstream if the first one (Julius Gopez) couldn't meet deadlines. That said, there's usually some comments on that. I can't find mention of a reason, or any particular change of status for the artist or the credits on the books, just a fair number of people just as confused by the art shift.

    – Radhil
    Mar 1 '18 at 11:16






  • 1





    OK, I found a brief mention of a new artist (Julius Otha?) in one of book's reviews, but I can't find any other info, so I don't know how accurate it is.

    – Radhil
    Mar 1 '18 at 11:22











  • @Radhil - I found the same thread, and a lot of people talk about an artist change but not who the new one was.

    – JohnP
    Mar 1 '18 at 14:59











  • @Radhil the other artist is actually mentioned in the front of the book as well.

    – Martin Ender
    Mar 2 '18 at 7:48











  • @MartinEnder - I don't actually have the book, thus the googling.

    – Radhil
    Mar 2 '18 at 14:43














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In White Sand 2, by Brandon Sanderson (the Kindle version, at least), there seems to be an astonishing art shift, unexplained and unannounced, at about page 129. Compare these soft tones:



enter image description here
To these crisp lines:



enter image description here



There may be some other slight art shifts. For example, up until page 136, Kenton’s skin seems to be curiously light compared to the previous volume, which seems especially odd given




his Nightside descent.




But it switches to a darker shade about there:



enter image description here



In a serial work, I’d expect that another artist had taken over, but I’ve never seen this in a completed published graphic novel. What’s going on?










share|improve this question
















In White Sand 2, by Brandon Sanderson (the Kindle version, at least), there seems to be an astonishing art shift, unexplained and unannounced, at about page 129. Compare these soft tones:



enter image description here
To these crisp lines:



enter image description here



There may be some other slight art shifts. For example, up until page 136, Kenton’s skin seems to be curiously light compared to the previous volume, which seems especially odd given




his Nightside descent.




But it switches to a darker shade about there:



enter image description here



In a serial work, I’d expect that another artist had taken over, but I’ve never seen this in a completed published graphic novel. What’s going on?







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    The only thing I can find quickly is that the book was delayed quite a bit. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they had to switch artists midstream if the first one (Julius Gopez) couldn't meet deadlines. That said, there's usually some comments on that. I can't find mention of a reason, or any particular change of status for the artist or the credits on the books, just a fair number of people just as confused by the art shift.

    – Radhil
    Mar 1 '18 at 11:16






  • 1





    OK, I found a brief mention of a new artist (Julius Otha?) in one of book's reviews, but I can't find any other info, so I don't know how accurate it is.

    – Radhil
    Mar 1 '18 at 11:22











  • @Radhil - I found the same thread, and a lot of people talk about an artist change but not who the new one was.

    – JohnP
    Mar 1 '18 at 14:59











  • @Radhil the other artist is actually mentioned in the front of the book as well.

    – Martin Ender
    Mar 2 '18 at 7:48











  • @MartinEnder - I don't actually have the book, thus the googling.

    – Radhil
    Mar 2 '18 at 14:43














  • 2





    The only thing I can find quickly is that the book was delayed quite a bit. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they had to switch artists midstream if the first one (Julius Gopez) couldn't meet deadlines. That said, there's usually some comments on that. I can't find mention of a reason, or any particular change of status for the artist or the credits on the books, just a fair number of people just as confused by the art shift.

    – Radhil
    Mar 1 '18 at 11:16






  • 1





    OK, I found a brief mention of a new artist (Julius Otha?) in one of book's reviews, but I can't find any other info, so I don't know how accurate it is.

    – Radhil
    Mar 1 '18 at 11:22











  • @Radhil - I found the same thread, and a lot of people talk about an artist change but not who the new one was.

    – JohnP
    Mar 1 '18 at 14:59











  • @Radhil the other artist is actually mentioned in the front of the book as well.

    – Martin Ender
    Mar 2 '18 at 7:48











  • @MartinEnder - I don't actually have the book, thus the googling.

    – Radhil
    Mar 2 '18 at 14:43








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The only thing I can find quickly is that the book was delayed quite a bit. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they had to switch artists midstream if the first one (Julius Gopez) couldn't meet deadlines. That said, there's usually some comments on that. I can't find mention of a reason, or any particular change of status for the artist or the credits on the books, just a fair number of people just as confused by the art shift.

– Radhil
Mar 1 '18 at 11:16





The only thing I can find quickly is that the book was delayed quite a bit. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they had to switch artists midstream if the first one (Julius Gopez) couldn't meet deadlines. That said, there's usually some comments on that. I can't find mention of a reason, or any particular change of status for the artist or the credits on the books, just a fair number of people just as confused by the art shift.

– Radhil
Mar 1 '18 at 11:16




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OK, I found a brief mention of a new artist (Julius Otha?) in one of book's reviews, but I can't find any other info, so I don't know how accurate it is.

– Radhil
Mar 1 '18 at 11:22





OK, I found a brief mention of a new artist (Julius Otha?) in one of book's reviews, but I can't find any other info, so I don't know how accurate it is.

– Radhil
Mar 1 '18 at 11:22













@Radhil - I found the same thread, and a lot of people talk about an artist change but not who the new one was.

– JohnP
Mar 1 '18 at 14:59





@Radhil - I found the same thread, and a lot of people talk about an artist change but not who the new one was.

– JohnP
Mar 1 '18 at 14:59













@Radhil the other artist is actually mentioned in the front of the book as well.

– Martin Ender
Mar 2 '18 at 7:48





@Radhil the other artist is actually mentioned in the front of the book as well.

– Martin Ender
Mar 2 '18 at 7:48













@MartinEnder - I don't actually have the book, thus the googling.

– Radhil
Mar 2 '18 at 14:43





@MartinEnder - I don't actually have the book, thus the googling.

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There was indeed a forced change to a new artist. The "forced" word comes from the highest source, the State of the Sanderson. As of now, team Sanderson has been silent as to why this artist change took place. Finally, the third volume is due in June (already available for pre-order at amazon) and the artist is another, new one, Fritz Casas.






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  • We will probably never know why, but I might have an inkling. Let me see.... I remember seeing a complaint Sanderson had. I just need to find it.

    – Adamant
    55 mins ago








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    Ah-ah! He says it here.

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  • "That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book, though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have been changed.)"

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  • In fact, I like your answer, but I should probably write my own.

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    Right, OK. I'm writing an answer to complement yours, focusing on the potential motivation behind the change, then. There are some other quotes that I've found.

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As noted in another answer, the proximal reason for the change in art is a change to a new artist. While we can't really know for certain the motivation behind this unusual action, I think we can take a guess.



In essence, Sanderson seems to have felt that his original vision for the book wasn't being carried out by the artist. In particular, he felt like the artist was deviating from his script in such a way as to reinforce racial and ethnic stereotypes.




Ravi: I'm curious how you were the graphic novel. because I have the draft.



Brandon Sanderson: Uh-huh.



Ravi: <You were kind enough to send me that>. You know, you were very descriptive.



Brandon Sanderson: <And it didn't translate well?>



Ravi: Not so much-- although I did see <glimpses of you popping
through>.



Brandon Sanderson: Yeah, so, I focus on the positives. <But there might be some things I might not agree with.>



Ravi: I think that's fair. Of course.



Brandon Sanderson: And I-- what we came up with was the <a list of a few things>... inaudible Like the only one that really bothered
<me> was... where is the big battle?



searches through the graphic novel



<The big splash page> right there. I'm like... <when did this turn
into> white people verse brown people? You've read the book. This
isn't about white versus brown. This is, again, how did we end up with
white versus brown? Why aren't these people wearing armor? These guys
are the ones that are outcasts and these are the high society.




He seems to be referring to this page, among others:



enter image description here



Moreover, as hinted at in the last paragraph ("these guys are the ones that are outcasts and these are the high society"), he felt that the art played into stereotypes of cultured Europeans and primitive dark-skinned desert people, which he says was the opposite of what he was trying to convey (what with the Nightsiders having more technological advancement and seeing the Daysiders as primitive, for instance).



While he also blames himself here, it's not too hard to read between the lines and see that he blames the artist somewhat, particularly in the context of the previous quote.




Brandon Sanderson: Yes, that's part of it. Though I don't think we got in the graphic novel some of the important worldbuilding elements,
such as the armor that melts when sprayed with water, the unique forms
of fighting, and the fact that the people you assume are the advanced
ones (because they live in buildings instead of tents) are actually
far less technologically developed than the ones who live out in the
desert. (Because on this planet, that's the "good" land while the low
sands are the less fertile parts.)



That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book,
though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was
disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came
back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans
fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been
trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not
surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to
blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have
been changed.)




Indeed, if we look at that image, it's pretty easy to see that. It's been a while since I read the original White Sand novel, but as I recall Kerzta was implied to be industrialized (for Dayside), and having armor with religious markings (of the sort that Ais wears, for instance), not being shirtless, spear-wielding berserkers. And it's fairly easy to see that they're portrayed as having darker skin in this picture, which I don't think was the case in White Sand Prime. They certainly wouldn't have darker skin than Kenton, since he has some Nightside ancestry. The overall effect is very 300-esque, with the sophisticated philosopher-kings of the Diem fighting the non-white barbarians of Kertza, rather than the powerful, religious empire of the Kertza fighting the insolvent Diem living on the fringes.



It seems that Brandon was not happy with this art, laying much of the blame on the artist. It's not hard to see from here why Brandon changed artists.






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    • We will probably never know why, but I might have an inkling. Let me see.... I remember seeing a complaint Sanderson had. I just need to find it.

      – Adamant
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      Ah-ah! He says it here.

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    • "That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book, though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have been changed.)"

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    • In fact, I like your answer, but I should probably write my own.

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      Right, OK. I'm writing an answer to complement yours, focusing on the potential motivation behind the change, then. There are some other quotes that I've found.

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    There was indeed a forced change to a new artist. The "forced" word comes from the highest source, the State of the Sanderson. As of now, team Sanderson has been silent as to why this artist change took place. Finally, the third volume is due in June (already available for pre-order at amazon) and the artist is another, new one, Fritz Casas.






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      – Adamant
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      Ah-ah! He says it here.

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    • "That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book, though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have been changed.)"

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      Right, OK. I'm writing an answer to complement yours, focusing on the potential motivation behind the change, then. There are some other quotes that I've found.

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    • We will probably never know why, but I might have an inkling. Let me see.... I remember seeing a complaint Sanderson had. I just need to find it.

      – Adamant
      55 mins ago








    • 1





      Ah-ah! He says it here.

      – Adamant
      46 mins ago











    • "That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book, though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have been changed.)"

      – Adamant
      46 mins ago











    • In fact, I like your answer, but I should probably write my own.

      – Adamant
      44 mins ago






    • 1





      Right, OK. I'm writing an answer to complement yours, focusing on the potential motivation behind the change, then. There are some other quotes that I've found.

      – Adamant
      34 mins ago





















    • We will probably never know why, but I might have an inkling. Let me see.... I remember seeing a complaint Sanderson had. I just need to find it.

      – Adamant
      55 mins ago








    • 1





      Ah-ah! He says it here.

      – Adamant
      46 mins ago











    • "That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book, though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have been changed.)"

      – Adamant
      46 mins ago











    • In fact, I like your answer, but I should probably write my own.

      – Adamant
      44 mins ago






    • 1





      Right, OK. I'm writing an answer to complement yours, focusing on the potential motivation behind the change, then. There are some other quotes that I've found.

      – Adamant
      34 mins ago



















    We will probably never know why, but I might have an inkling. Let me see.... I remember seeing a complaint Sanderson had. I just need to find it.

    – Adamant
    55 mins ago







    We will probably never know why, but I might have an inkling. Let me see.... I remember seeing a complaint Sanderson had. I just need to find it.

    – Adamant
    55 mins ago






    1




    1





    Ah-ah! He says it here.

    – Adamant
    46 mins ago





    Ah-ah! He says it here.

    – Adamant
    46 mins ago













    "That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book, though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have been changed.)"

    – Adamant
    46 mins ago





    "That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book, though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have been changed.)"

    – Adamant
    46 mins ago













    In fact, I like your answer, but I should probably write my own.

    – Adamant
    44 mins ago





    In fact, I like your answer, but I should probably write my own.

    – Adamant
    44 mins ago




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    Right, OK. I'm writing an answer to complement yours, focusing on the potential motivation behind the change, then. There are some other quotes that I've found.

    – Adamant
    34 mins ago







    Right, OK. I'm writing an answer to complement yours, focusing on the potential motivation behind the change, then. There are some other quotes that I've found.

    – Adamant
    34 mins ago















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    As noted in another answer, the proximal reason for the change in art is a change to a new artist. While we can't really know for certain the motivation behind this unusual action, I think we can take a guess.



    In essence, Sanderson seems to have felt that his original vision for the book wasn't being carried out by the artist. In particular, he felt like the artist was deviating from his script in such a way as to reinforce racial and ethnic stereotypes.




    Ravi: I'm curious how you were the graphic novel. because I have the draft.



    Brandon Sanderson: Uh-huh.



    Ravi: <You were kind enough to send me that>. You know, you were very descriptive.



    Brandon Sanderson: <And it didn't translate well?>



    Ravi: Not so much-- although I did see <glimpses of you popping
    through>.



    Brandon Sanderson: Yeah, so, I focus on the positives. <But there might be some things I might not agree with.>



    Ravi: I think that's fair. Of course.



    Brandon Sanderson: And I-- what we came up with was the <a list of a few things>... inaudible Like the only one that really bothered
    <me> was... where is the big battle?



    searches through the graphic novel



    <The big splash page> right there. I'm like... <when did this turn
    into> white people verse brown people? You've read the book. This
    isn't about white versus brown. This is, again, how did we end up with
    white versus brown? Why aren't these people wearing armor? These guys
    are the ones that are outcasts and these are the high society.




    He seems to be referring to this page, among others:



    enter image description here



    Moreover, as hinted at in the last paragraph ("these guys are the ones that are outcasts and these are the high society"), he felt that the art played into stereotypes of cultured Europeans and primitive dark-skinned desert people, which he says was the opposite of what he was trying to convey (what with the Nightsiders having more technological advancement and seeing the Daysiders as primitive, for instance).



    While he also blames himself here, it's not too hard to read between the lines and see that he blames the artist somewhat, particularly in the context of the previous quote.




    Brandon Sanderson: Yes, that's part of it. Though I don't think we got in the graphic novel some of the important worldbuilding elements,
    such as the armor that melts when sprayed with water, the unique forms
    of fighting, and the fact that the people you assume are the advanced
    ones (because they live in buildings instead of tents) are actually
    far less technologically developed than the ones who live out in the
    desert. (Because on this planet, that's the "good" land while the low
    sands are the less fertile parts.)



    That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book,
    though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was
    disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came
    back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans
    fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been
    trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not
    surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to
    blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have
    been changed.)




    Indeed, if we look at that image, it's pretty easy to see that. It's been a while since I read the original White Sand novel, but as I recall Kerzta was implied to be industrialized (for Dayside), and having armor with religious markings (of the sort that Ais wears, for instance), not being shirtless, spear-wielding berserkers. And it's fairly easy to see that they're portrayed as having darker skin in this picture, which I don't think was the case in White Sand Prime. They certainly wouldn't have darker skin than Kenton, since he has some Nightside ancestry. The overall effect is very 300-esque, with the sophisticated philosopher-kings of the Diem fighting the non-white barbarians of Kertza, rather than the powerful, religious empire of the Kertza fighting the insolvent Diem living on the fringes.



    It seems that Brandon was not happy with this art, laying much of the blame on the artist. It's not hard to see from here why Brandon changed artists.






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      As noted in another answer, the proximal reason for the change in art is a change to a new artist. While we can't really know for certain the motivation behind this unusual action, I think we can take a guess.



      In essence, Sanderson seems to have felt that his original vision for the book wasn't being carried out by the artist. In particular, he felt like the artist was deviating from his script in such a way as to reinforce racial and ethnic stereotypes.




      Ravi: I'm curious how you were the graphic novel. because I have the draft.



      Brandon Sanderson: Uh-huh.



      Ravi: <You were kind enough to send me that>. You know, you were very descriptive.



      Brandon Sanderson: <And it didn't translate well?>



      Ravi: Not so much-- although I did see <glimpses of you popping
      through>.



      Brandon Sanderson: Yeah, so, I focus on the positives. <But there might be some things I might not agree with.>



      Ravi: I think that's fair. Of course.



      Brandon Sanderson: And I-- what we came up with was the <a list of a few things>... inaudible Like the only one that really bothered
      <me> was... where is the big battle?



      searches through the graphic novel



      <The big splash page> right there. I'm like... <when did this turn
      into> white people verse brown people? You've read the book. This
      isn't about white versus brown. This is, again, how did we end up with
      white versus brown? Why aren't these people wearing armor? These guys
      are the ones that are outcasts and these are the high society.




      He seems to be referring to this page, among others:



      enter image description here



      Moreover, as hinted at in the last paragraph ("these guys are the ones that are outcasts and these are the high society"), he felt that the art played into stereotypes of cultured Europeans and primitive dark-skinned desert people, which he says was the opposite of what he was trying to convey (what with the Nightsiders having more technological advancement and seeing the Daysiders as primitive, for instance).



      While he also blames himself here, it's not too hard to read between the lines and see that he blames the artist somewhat, particularly in the context of the previous quote.




      Brandon Sanderson: Yes, that's part of it. Though I don't think we got in the graphic novel some of the important worldbuilding elements,
      such as the armor that melts when sprayed with water, the unique forms
      of fighting, and the fact that the people you assume are the advanced
      ones (because they live in buildings instead of tents) are actually
      far less technologically developed than the ones who live out in the
      desert. (Because on this planet, that's the "good" land while the low
      sands are the less fertile parts.)



      That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book,
      though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was
      disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came
      back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans
      fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been
      trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not
      surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to
      blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have
      been changed.)




      Indeed, if we look at that image, it's pretty easy to see that. It's been a while since I read the original White Sand novel, but as I recall Kerzta was implied to be industrialized (for Dayside), and having armor with religious markings (of the sort that Ais wears, for instance), not being shirtless, spear-wielding berserkers. And it's fairly easy to see that they're portrayed as having darker skin in this picture, which I don't think was the case in White Sand Prime. They certainly wouldn't have darker skin than Kenton, since he has some Nightside ancestry. The overall effect is very 300-esque, with the sophisticated philosopher-kings of the Diem fighting the non-white barbarians of Kertza, rather than the powerful, religious empire of the Kertza fighting the insolvent Diem living on the fringes.



      It seems that Brandon was not happy with this art, laying much of the blame on the artist. It's not hard to see from here why Brandon changed artists.






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        As noted in another answer, the proximal reason for the change in art is a change to a new artist. While we can't really know for certain the motivation behind this unusual action, I think we can take a guess.



        In essence, Sanderson seems to have felt that his original vision for the book wasn't being carried out by the artist. In particular, he felt like the artist was deviating from his script in such a way as to reinforce racial and ethnic stereotypes.




        Ravi: I'm curious how you were the graphic novel. because I have the draft.



        Brandon Sanderson: Uh-huh.



        Ravi: <You were kind enough to send me that>. You know, you were very descriptive.



        Brandon Sanderson: <And it didn't translate well?>



        Ravi: Not so much-- although I did see <glimpses of you popping
        through>.



        Brandon Sanderson: Yeah, so, I focus on the positives. <But there might be some things I might not agree with.>



        Ravi: I think that's fair. Of course.



        Brandon Sanderson: And I-- what we came up with was the <a list of a few things>... inaudible Like the only one that really bothered
        <me> was... where is the big battle?



        searches through the graphic novel



        <The big splash page> right there. I'm like... <when did this turn
        into> white people verse brown people? You've read the book. This
        isn't about white versus brown. This is, again, how did we end up with
        white versus brown? Why aren't these people wearing armor? These guys
        are the ones that are outcasts and these are the high society.




        He seems to be referring to this page, among others:



        enter image description here



        Moreover, as hinted at in the last paragraph ("these guys are the ones that are outcasts and these are the high society"), he felt that the art played into stereotypes of cultured Europeans and primitive dark-skinned desert people, which he says was the opposite of what he was trying to convey (what with the Nightsiders having more technological advancement and seeing the Daysiders as primitive, for instance).



        While he also blames himself here, it's not too hard to read between the lines and see that he blames the artist somewhat, particularly in the context of the previous quote.




        Brandon Sanderson: Yes, that's part of it. Though I don't think we got in the graphic novel some of the important worldbuilding elements,
        such as the armor that melts when sprayed with water, the unique forms
        of fighting, and the fact that the people you assume are the advanced
        ones (because they live in buildings instead of tents) are actually
        far less technologically developed than the ones who live out in the
        desert. (Because on this planet, that's the "good" land while the low
        sands are the less fertile parts.)



        That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book,
        though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was
        disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came
        back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans
        fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been
        trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not
        surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to
        blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have
        been changed.)




        Indeed, if we look at that image, it's pretty easy to see that. It's been a while since I read the original White Sand novel, but as I recall Kerzta was implied to be industrialized (for Dayside), and having armor with religious markings (of the sort that Ais wears, for instance), not being shirtless, spear-wielding berserkers. And it's fairly easy to see that they're portrayed as having darker skin in this picture, which I don't think was the case in White Sand Prime. They certainly wouldn't have darker skin than Kenton, since he has some Nightside ancestry. The overall effect is very 300-esque, with the sophisticated philosopher-kings of the Diem fighting the non-white barbarians of Kertza, rather than the powerful, religious empire of the Kertza fighting the insolvent Diem living on the fringes.



        It seems that Brandon was not happy with this art, laying much of the blame on the artist. It's not hard to see from here why Brandon changed artists.






        share|improve this answer















        As noted in another answer, the proximal reason for the change in art is a change to a new artist. While we can't really know for certain the motivation behind this unusual action, I think we can take a guess.



        In essence, Sanderson seems to have felt that his original vision for the book wasn't being carried out by the artist. In particular, he felt like the artist was deviating from his script in such a way as to reinforce racial and ethnic stereotypes.




        Ravi: I'm curious how you were the graphic novel. because I have the draft.



        Brandon Sanderson: Uh-huh.



        Ravi: <You were kind enough to send me that>. You know, you were very descriptive.



        Brandon Sanderson: <And it didn't translate well?>



        Ravi: Not so much-- although I did see <glimpses of you popping
        through>.



        Brandon Sanderson: Yeah, so, I focus on the positives. <But there might be some things I might not agree with.>



        Ravi: I think that's fair. Of course.



        Brandon Sanderson: And I-- what we came up with was the <a list of a few things>... inaudible Like the only one that really bothered
        <me> was... where is the big battle?



        searches through the graphic novel



        <The big splash page> right there. I'm like... <when did this turn
        into> white people verse brown people? You've read the book. This
        isn't about white versus brown. This is, again, how did we end up with
        white versus brown? Why aren't these people wearing armor? These guys
        are the ones that are outcasts and these are the high society.




        He seems to be referring to this page, among others:



        enter image description here



        Moreover, as hinted at in the last paragraph ("these guys are the ones that are outcasts and these are the high society"), he felt that the art played into stereotypes of cultured Europeans and primitive dark-skinned desert people, which he says was the opposite of what he was trying to convey (what with the Nightsiders having more technological advancement and seeing the Daysiders as primitive, for instance).



        While he also blames himself here, it's not too hard to read between the lines and see that he blames the artist somewhat, particularly in the context of the previous quote.




        Brandon Sanderson: Yes, that's part of it. Though I don't think we got in the graphic novel some of the important worldbuilding elements,
        such as the armor that melts when sprayed with water, the unique forms
        of fighting, and the fact that the people you assume are the advanced
        ones (because they live in buildings instead of tents) are actually
        far less technologically developed than the ones who live out in the
        desert. (Because on this planet, that's the "good" land while the low
        sands are the less fertile parts.)



        That was a dynamic that was very hard to get across in the book,
        though, and I don't know that my skill at the time was up to it. I was
        disappointed in the graphic novel once the colors and final art came
        back to discover a number of pages that looked like brave Europeans
        fighting savage desert people--which was the reverse of what I'd been
        trying to accomplish. (But is part of our cultural biases, so I'm not
        surprised it was how the artists ended up interpreting it. And I'm to
        blame for not reinforcing the idea stronger back when it could have
        been changed.)




        Indeed, if we look at that image, it's pretty easy to see that. It's been a while since I read the original White Sand novel, but as I recall Kerzta was implied to be industrialized (for Dayside), and having armor with religious markings (of the sort that Ais wears, for instance), not being shirtless, spear-wielding berserkers. And it's fairly easy to see that they're portrayed as having darker skin in this picture, which I don't think was the case in White Sand Prime. They certainly wouldn't have darker skin than Kenton, since he has some Nightside ancestry. The overall effect is very 300-esque, with the sophisticated philosopher-kings of the Diem fighting the non-white barbarians of Kertza, rather than the powerful, religious empire of the Kertza fighting the insolvent Diem living on the fringes.



        It seems that Brandon was not happy with this art, laying much of the blame on the artist. It's not hard to see from here why Brandon changed artists.







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