How Did the Space Junk Stay in Orbit in Wall-E? [on hold]
In the Disney/Pixar film Wall-E, we see space junk practically covering Earth's atmosphere in orbit.............how? If it had been years, generations since man had been to Earth, shouldn't all of that debris eventually have fallen back to Earth? Thus Earth's atmosphere should be clear of ANYTHING? (the surface and oceans would be a royal mess, but above should be crystal clear I would think?)
Is this something I'm missing in orbital physics, or is this question better to just chalk up to the "it's a cartoon, it looked cool to Pixar" position?
See the inserted picture to see what I mean.
And a view from far away
space physics wall-e
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In the Disney/Pixar film Wall-E, we see space junk practically covering Earth's atmosphere in orbit.............how? If it had been years, generations since man had been to Earth, shouldn't all of that debris eventually have fallen back to Earth? Thus Earth's atmosphere should be clear of ANYTHING? (the surface and oceans would be a royal mess, but above should be crystal clear I would think?)
Is this something I'm missing in orbital physics, or is this question better to just chalk up to the "it's a cartoon, it looked cool to Pixar" position?
See the inserted picture to see what I mean.
And a view from far away
space physics wall-e
put on hold as off-topic by Vanguard3000, Valorum, Adamant, Organic Marble, KutuluMike 2 hours ago
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It's asking in-universe answer?
– Oni
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@oni - No, at best it's pointing out a mild scientific inaccuracy in a film for children
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In the Disney/Pixar film Wall-E, we see space junk practically covering Earth's atmosphere in orbit.............how? If it had been years, generations since man had been to Earth, shouldn't all of that debris eventually have fallen back to Earth? Thus Earth's atmosphere should be clear of ANYTHING? (the surface and oceans would be a royal mess, but above should be crystal clear I would think?)
Is this something I'm missing in orbital physics, or is this question better to just chalk up to the "it's a cartoon, it looked cool to Pixar" position?
See the inserted picture to see what I mean.
And a view from far away
space physics wall-e
In the Disney/Pixar film Wall-E, we see space junk practically covering Earth's atmosphere in orbit.............how? If it had been years, generations since man had been to Earth, shouldn't all of that debris eventually have fallen back to Earth? Thus Earth's atmosphere should be clear of ANYTHING? (the surface and oceans would be a royal mess, but above should be crystal clear I would think?)
Is this something I'm missing in orbital physics, or is this question better to just chalk up to the "it's a cartoon, it looked cool to Pixar" position?
See the inserted picture to see what I mean.
And a view from far away
space physics wall-e
space physics wall-e
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Questions about real-world orbital physics are not well suited to a site about science fiction
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Why is this on-topic? My flag as scientific solutions was declined without explanation
– Stormblessed
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It's asking in-universe answer?
– Oni
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@oni - No, at best it's pointing out a mild scientific inaccuracy in a film for children
– Valorum
2 hours ago
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Questions about real-world orbital physics are not well suited to a site about science fiction
– Valorum
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Why is this on-topic? My flag as scientific solutions was declined without explanation
– Stormblessed
3 hours ago
It's asking in-universe answer?
– Oni
2 hours ago
@oni - No, at best it's pointing out a mild scientific inaccuracy in a film for children
– Valorum
2 hours ago
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Questions about real-world orbital physics are not well suited to a site about science fiction
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Questions about real-world orbital physics are not well suited to a site about science fiction
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Why is this on-topic? My flag as scientific solutions was declined without explanation
– Stormblessed
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Why is this on-topic? My flag as scientific solutions was declined without explanation
– Stormblessed
3 hours ago
It's asking in-universe answer?
– Oni
2 hours ago
It's asking in-universe answer?
– Oni
2 hours ago
@oni - No, at best it's pointing out a mild scientific inaccuracy in a film for children
– Valorum
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@oni - No, at best it's pointing out a mild scientific inaccuracy in a film for children
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In low Earth orbit 2,000 km, orbital debris circle the Earth at speeds of between 7 to 8 km/s, when orbital debris collide with other orbital debris its create more orbital debris.
Eventually debris will fall to earth and will burn.
How long will orbital debris remain in Earth orbit?
The higher the altitude, the longer the orbital debris will typically remain in Earth orbit. Debris left in orbits below 600 km (370 miles) normally fall back to Earth within several years. At altitudes of 800 km (500 miles), the time for orbital decay is often measured in decades. Above 1,000 km (620 miles), orbital debris normally will continue circling Earth for a century or more. from NASA
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Considering that the movie takes place approximately 700 years after Earth was abandoned, all that space junk should have de-orbited long since, unless there was a continuous supply of more material from somewhere.
– DavidW
8 hours ago
Like @watermolecule said; higher the orbital debris is, longer it takes to fall back to Earth.
– Oni
2 hours ago
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Edit: As pointed out by HorusKol, a high density of debris is visible at a distance of no more than 2000 km from the surface. So the debris is probably in low Earth orbit and is certainly not near geostationary orbit. However, this doesn't make the situation depicted impossible (although the density of junk depicted in the first image might be). Given that orbits that slowly decay on any timescale can be constructed, we can construct an explanation of the debris field depicted. Maybe there were several large space stations whose orbit has been decaying over the past 500 years and started a Kessler syndrome event in the last few decades.
To expand on Oni's answer, in much higher orbits, including geostationary orbit, objects can stay in orbit for millions or billions of years. As you get farther from the Earth, the atmosphere becomes exponentially thinner, to the point that particles coming from the Sun are more common than Earth-bound air molecules.
In higher orbits particularly out towards sort of 36 000 kilometres – what we’d call a geostationary orbit – in principle, they could stay up there forever. The orbit will tend to shift over time but it will stay orbiting the Earth in the same way that the Moon still orbits the Earth after millions of years. New Zealand Government Science Learning Hub
The Earth is 12,000 km in diameter. We can see that the debris field is a lot closer than geostationary orbit.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
@HorusKol Good point.
– WaterMolecule
2 hours ago
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In low Earth orbit 2,000 km, orbital debris circle the Earth at speeds of between 7 to 8 km/s, when orbital debris collide with other orbital debris its create more orbital debris.
Eventually debris will fall to earth and will burn.
How long will orbital debris remain in Earth orbit?
The higher the altitude, the longer the orbital debris will typically remain in Earth orbit. Debris left in orbits below 600 km (370 miles) normally fall back to Earth within several years. At altitudes of 800 km (500 miles), the time for orbital decay is often measured in decades. Above 1,000 km (620 miles), orbital debris normally will continue circling Earth for a century or more. from NASA
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Considering that the movie takes place approximately 700 years after Earth was abandoned, all that space junk should have de-orbited long since, unless there was a continuous supply of more material from somewhere.
– DavidW
8 hours ago
Like @watermolecule said; higher the orbital debris is, longer it takes to fall back to Earth.
– Oni
2 hours ago
add a comment |
In low Earth orbit 2,000 km, orbital debris circle the Earth at speeds of between 7 to 8 km/s, when orbital debris collide with other orbital debris its create more orbital debris.
Eventually debris will fall to earth and will burn.
How long will orbital debris remain in Earth orbit?
The higher the altitude, the longer the orbital debris will typically remain in Earth orbit. Debris left in orbits below 600 km (370 miles) normally fall back to Earth within several years. At altitudes of 800 km (500 miles), the time for orbital decay is often measured in decades. Above 1,000 km (620 miles), orbital debris normally will continue circling Earth for a century or more. from NASA
1
Considering that the movie takes place approximately 700 years after Earth was abandoned, all that space junk should have de-orbited long since, unless there was a continuous supply of more material from somewhere.
– DavidW
8 hours ago
Like @watermolecule said; higher the orbital debris is, longer it takes to fall back to Earth.
– Oni
2 hours ago
add a comment |
In low Earth orbit 2,000 km, orbital debris circle the Earth at speeds of between 7 to 8 km/s, when orbital debris collide with other orbital debris its create more orbital debris.
Eventually debris will fall to earth and will burn.
How long will orbital debris remain in Earth orbit?
The higher the altitude, the longer the orbital debris will typically remain in Earth orbit. Debris left in orbits below 600 km (370 miles) normally fall back to Earth within several years. At altitudes of 800 km (500 miles), the time for orbital decay is often measured in decades. Above 1,000 km (620 miles), orbital debris normally will continue circling Earth for a century or more. from NASA
In low Earth orbit 2,000 km, orbital debris circle the Earth at speeds of between 7 to 8 km/s, when orbital debris collide with other orbital debris its create more orbital debris.
Eventually debris will fall to earth and will burn.
How long will orbital debris remain in Earth orbit?
The higher the altitude, the longer the orbital debris will typically remain in Earth orbit. Debris left in orbits below 600 km (370 miles) normally fall back to Earth within several years. At altitudes of 800 km (500 miles), the time for orbital decay is often measured in decades. Above 1,000 km (620 miles), orbital debris normally will continue circling Earth for a century or more. from NASA
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Considering that the movie takes place approximately 700 years after Earth was abandoned, all that space junk should have de-orbited long since, unless there was a continuous supply of more material from somewhere.
– DavidW
8 hours ago
Like @watermolecule said; higher the orbital debris is, longer it takes to fall back to Earth.
– Oni
2 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Considering that the movie takes place approximately 700 years after Earth was abandoned, all that space junk should have de-orbited long since, unless there was a continuous supply of more material from somewhere.
– DavidW
8 hours ago
Like @watermolecule said; higher the orbital debris is, longer it takes to fall back to Earth.
– Oni
2 hours ago
1
1
Considering that the movie takes place approximately 700 years after Earth was abandoned, all that space junk should have de-orbited long since, unless there was a continuous supply of more material from somewhere.
– DavidW
8 hours ago
Considering that the movie takes place approximately 700 years after Earth was abandoned, all that space junk should have de-orbited long since, unless there was a continuous supply of more material from somewhere.
– DavidW
8 hours ago
Like @watermolecule said; higher the orbital debris is, longer it takes to fall back to Earth.
– Oni
2 hours ago
Like @watermolecule said; higher the orbital debris is, longer it takes to fall back to Earth.
– Oni
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Edit: As pointed out by HorusKol, a high density of debris is visible at a distance of no more than 2000 km from the surface. So the debris is probably in low Earth orbit and is certainly not near geostationary orbit. However, this doesn't make the situation depicted impossible (although the density of junk depicted in the first image might be). Given that orbits that slowly decay on any timescale can be constructed, we can construct an explanation of the debris field depicted. Maybe there were several large space stations whose orbit has been decaying over the past 500 years and started a Kessler syndrome event in the last few decades.
To expand on Oni's answer, in much higher orbits, including geostationary orbit, objects can stay in orbit for millions or billions of years. As you get farther from the Earth, the atmosphere becomes exponentially thinner, to the point that particles coming from the Sun are more common than Earth-bound air molecules.
In higher orbits particularly out towards sort of 36 000 kilometres – what we’d call a geostationary orbit – in principle, they could stay up there forever. The orbit will tend to shift over time but it will stay orbiting the Earth in the same way that the Moon still orbits the Earth after millions of years. New Zealand Government Science Learning Hub
The Earth is 12,000 km in diameter. We can see that the debris field is a lot closer than geostationary orbit.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
@HorusKol Good point.
– WaterMolecule
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Edit: As pointed out by HorusKol, a high density of debris is visible at a distance of no more than 2000 km from the surface. So the debris is probably in low Earth orbit and is certainly not near geostationary orbit. However, this doesn't make the situation depicted impossible (although the density of junk depicted in the first image might be). Given that orbits that slowly decay on any timescale can be constructed, we can construct an explanation of the debris field depicted. Maybe there were several large space stations whose orbit has been decaying over the past 500 years and started a Kessler syndrome event in the last few decades.
To expand on Oni's answer, in much higher orbits, including geostationary orbit, objects can stay in orbit for millions or billions of years. As you get farther from the Earth, the atmosphere becomes exponentially thinner, to the point that particles coming from the Sun are more common than Earth-bound air molecules.
In higher orbits particularly out towards sort of 36 000 kilometres – what we’d call a geostationary orbit – in principle, they could stay up there forever. The orbit will tend to shift over time but it will stay orbiting the Earth in the same way that the Moon still orbits the Earth after millions of years. New Zealand Government Science Learning Hub
The Earth is 12,000 km in diameter. We can see that the debris field is a lot closer than geostationary orbit.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
@HorusKol Good point.
– WaterMolecule
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Edit: As pointed out by HorusKol, a high density of debris is visible at a distance of no more than 2000 km from the surface. So the debris is probably in low Earth orbit and is certainly not near geostationary orbit. However, this doesn't make the situation depicted impossible (although the density of junk depicted in the first image might be). Given that orbits that slowly decay on any timescale can be constructed, we can construct an explanation of the debris field depicted. Maybe there were several large space stations whose orbit has been decaying over the past 500 years and started a Kessler syndrome event in the last few decades.
To expand on Oni's answer, in much higher orbits, including geostationary orbit, objects can stay in orbit for millions or billions of years. As you get farther from the Earth, the atmosphere becomes exponentially thinner, to the point that particles coming from the Sun are more common than Earth-bound air molecules.
In higher orbits particularly out towards sort of 36 000 kilometres – what we’d call a geostationary orbit – in principle, they could stay up there forever. The orbit will tend to shift over time but it will stay orbiting the Earth in the same way that the Moon still orbits the Earth after millions of years. New Zealand Government Science Learning Hub
Edit: As pointed out by HorusKol, a high density of debris is visible at a distance of no more than 2000 km from the surface. So the debris is probably in low Earth orbit and is certainly not near geostationary orbit. However, this doesn't make the situation depicted impossible (although the density of junk depicted in the first image might be). Given that orbits that slowly decay on any timescale can be constructed, we can construct an explanation of the debris field depicted. Maybe there were several large space stations whose orbit has been decaying over the past 500 years and started a Kessler syndrome event in the last few decades.
To expand on Oni's answer, in much higher orbits, including geostationary orbit, objects can stay in orbit for millions or billions of years. As you get farther from the Earth, the atmosphere becomes exponentially thinner, to the point that particles coming from the Sun are more common than Earth-bound air molecules.
In higher orbits particularly out towards sort of 36 000 kilometres – what we’d call a geostationary orbit – in principle, they could stay up there forever. The orbit will tend to shift over time but it will stay orbiting the Earth in the same way that the Moon still orbits the Earth after millions of years. New Zealand Government Science Learning Hub
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The Earth is 12,000 km in diameter. We can see that the debris field is a lot closer than geostationary orbit.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
@HorusKol Good point.
– WaterMolecule
2 hours ago
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The Earth is 12,000 km in diameter. We can see that the debris field is a lot closer than geostationary orbit.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
@HorusKol Good point.
– WaterMolecule
2 hours ago
The Earth is 12,000 km in diameter. We can see that the debris field is a lot closer than geostationary orbit.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
The Earth is 12,000 km in diameter. We can see that the debris field is a lot closer than geostationary orbit.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
@HorusKol Good point.
– WaterMolecule
2 hours ago
@HorusKol Good point.
– WaterMolecule
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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Questions about real-world orbital physics are not well suited to a site about science fiction
– Valorum
5 hours ago
1
Why is this on-topic? My flag as scientific solutions was declined without explanation
– Stormblessed
3 hours ago
It's asking in-universe answer?
– Oni
2 hours ago
@oni - No, at best it's pointing out a mild scientific inaccuracy in a film for children
– Valorum
2 hours ago